Vikings

it means cat's asshole in dutch

>>70740085
What do these things have to do with each other

Which Vikings went to America? Were they Danes?

>>70740124
the ones who fugged you're mother xDDDD

are vikings medieval refugees?
>boatfuckers
>rapists
>uncivilized

>>70740124
Either one of the hundreds of thousands of danes or the couple of hundred norwegians

>>70740136
Vikings were the niggers of Europe

>>70740131
Wow that means I have stronk viking blood. I always wanted to be a northern brother

>>70740124
Nah, most likely Norwegians.

>>70740149
t.christcuck

>>70740169
but they fugged you're mother her asshole only :DDDD

>>70740124
They were actually Australians

>>70740192
t. history-romanticizing atheist

>>70740192
He's right though

>>70740192
literally 0 difference between vikings and the rapefugees

>>70740235
>>70740242
He's not though. Vikings were mostly tradesmen, and the only written source we have on Vikings is from the beaten English, who are major bias

>>70740235
>>70740242
So when other Euros raped and pillaged the rest of the world and spread their culture it was a good thing but Vikings were niggers for it because they attacked other white peopel?

>>70740136
>>70740267
>tfw I'm a Viking

Feels good.

Vikings didn't exist.
They and their horned helmets were made up in the 19th century when old Gothic pseudoscience theories about Scandinavian origins went out of fashion.

The "Vikings" were just regular pirates and in fact in no way special compared to for example German, Polish, Karelian, Estonian etc pirates.

>>70740297
>Not wanting a visit from her Majesty's Empire

pleb

>Danish Vikings
>raided and pillaged the english

>Swedish Vikings
>brought civilization and stability to every slavic race for hundreds of years

makes ur brain drain

>>70740337
>sweden
>vikings

>>70740321
>The "Vikings" were just regular pirates and in fact in no way special compared to for example German, Polish, Karelian, Estonian etc pirates.

Well they were special in the way that they managed to start dominating baltics in trade in the turn of the 1000s

>>70740321
Everyone knows horned helmets were a literary invention, you're not exactly dropping knowledge bombs finnbro.

>>70740091
gat is cat in dutch? we say gato

>>70740349

But they didn't do.
This domination didn't exist.
There's more Arab coins buried in Poland than Scandinavia.
There's none buried anywhere in Finland because Finns weren't into burying valuable thingds and forgetting about them.

Ro ro ro din båt ta din åre fat, vugedi vugedi vugedi vugedi over kattegat.

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>The best Viking of all time is Australian

hmm maybe australia is stronk pillagers hmmm...

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>>70740376
>Finland because Finns weren't into burying valuable thingds and forgetting about them.

Wew. we literally used to bury our dead with their most valuable possessions, in our case weaponry. Women were more commonly buried with random jewelry

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>>70740376
>There's none buried anywhere in Finland

>It's a finn turning a viking thread into revisionist history episode

>>70740431

I'm talking about hoards of Arabian and other Middle Eastern coins not graves.
Their distribution isn't centered around "Viking countries" but all pirate countries, except Finland.

>>70740490
So you're saying Finland was the worst at being pirates?

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>>70740490
Yeah well the point being in my oringinal post that they were hte ones who started to seriously organize the trade in baltics in the turn of 1000s and this is a accepted historical fact. I don't care how much do you throw we wuzzing around with bad sources. Or however skeptical you might be. I literally don't care. Everything that i've read and studied on the history of northern europe implies ever so increasing "viking" influence in the trade starting from 1000s till Gustav Vasa

>>70740572

Are you really so dumb?
Baltic sea trade networks were the same for thousands of years. Roman products were shipped all the way to Finland.

Pirates and traders from Sweden didn't organize anything. Finns traded directly with Germans, Poles and Balts.

>>70740371
kat = cat
gat = hole = asshole colloquially

WE

>>70740681
That doesn't contradict anything i just said boy.

You're literally denying history. But i'll just leave it to that that we were integrated in to a viking kingdom when they wanted better trade routes within baltics. Also before that they fought pretty harshly to keep on dominating baltics. Only After Hansa was formed the germans started to get extensive grip around this area.

>>70740758

Sweden wasn't exactly a pirate kingdom in the 14th century.

But the matter of fact is that people from all the nations of the Baltic came to Turku to trade. There was no "Swedish supervision" of the trade no matter how much you want to fantasize about it. They were completely irrelevant to it.
Finns also went to Kaup in Prussia to trade...which is why we have the word kauppias.

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>>70740858
(you)

I won't even start to dissect that load of crap.

>>70740903

Probably because you're fucking retarded.
Scandinavians had trading outposts, but they didn't control or organize trade any more than anyone else did.
Scandinavian pirates tried to distrupt it but so did Estonian and Karelian ones.
Without pirate interference, people from Germany and Poland traded with Finns entirely without these mythical ""Vikings""" of yours.

>>70740301
>feels good to be a snownigger
what a cuck kek
go rape some houses or burn some women

I thought Finnish people were Mongolian not Viking.

>>70741063

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pillage_of_Sigtuna

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>>70740235
Yeah. Something wrong with that? National-romanticism is the greatest era of literature in history.

>>70741082
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pillage_of_Sigtuna
>founding of Stockholm by Birger Jarl
>Burger Jarl

Sweden founded by a Burger.

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>>70741063
And i thought people were wiser than to actually believe anything they read here.

>>70741063
Who cares we are most cucked people anyway

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>>70741165
Damn straight. One of Sweden's greatest leaders.

>>70741216

This. Finns will sperg out in defence of some mythical Viking idea which was invented to improve Scandinavian self-perceptions when they were becoming increasingly irrelevant in 19th century Europe.

>>70741288
>>70741216
But you guys have Mikka and Kimi, they are pretty cool IMO.

But what's with the Finnish mentality, you guys always seem so unconcerned and not interested in competition.

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>>70741324
Because we just don't give a damn.

>>70741324

We Finns just want to be seen as retarded downies who the Swedes(master race of planet Earth) adopted and civilized.
We just hate everything that could possibly hurt our Swedish daddies illusions about themselves...even if these are true things and the illusions baseless.

>>70741437
This, diverging from the official Swedish narrative of Finns being shitslinging retards makes Finnish posters, in their own words, "embarrassed".

Talk about Stockholm Syndrome.

>>70741437
Does Earth really have a Masterace though?

jealous autistic finns always ruin these threads

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I wanna be slave fo Viking girl.

>>70741669

It's a fact though that to be a "Viking" is to be a pirate and a trader.
Scandinavian pirates weren't the only pirates active at the time in the Baltic yet the word "Viking" means only them.

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>>70741744
Sure. But it's like the difference between being fascist in 1936 and being a Nazi in 1936. Or between being a footsoldier in asia in 1655 or being a samurai in 1655.

>>70740420
how can one man be so hot?

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>>70741862
Nordic genes.

>>70741968
>By Nordic you mean Australian Cattle farmer genes

>>70740337
>Ragnar Lodbrok or Lothbrok (Old Norse: Ragnarr Loðbrók, "Ragnar Shaggy-Breeches") was a legendary[2][3] viking leader and hero of Old Norse poetry and sagas from the Viking age. According to this traditional literature, Ragnar distinguished himself by many raids against Francia and Anglo-Saxon England, during the 9th century.

>son of the Swedish king Sigurd Hring and a relative of the Danish king Gudfred;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ragnar_Lodbrok

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England_runestones

My man, maybe you should learn your own history.

>>70740297
The difference is doing it when your culture is undeniably superior, that's what separates the civilized imperialist and a savage
You can't exactly achieve much sacking Rome when you're at shitting in the woods level

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Here's some real vikings for ya.

>>70740274
>and the only written source

Shows how the English were more civilised with their writing and education.

>>70743082

But he's wrong anyway. There are plenty others.

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>>70743124
More civilised than the heathen Danes/vikings anyway.

>Scandinavian Vikings were different nationalities

You know, just because they set off from somewhere doesn't mean they were born, raised and lived there. There weren't even any borders yet, how were they Swedish/Danish/Norwegian?

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>>70743473
genetics. Rurik carried N1c1 ancestry for example. That'd mean he'd originate from finnic tribes somewhere along the line. Or that the place he set sail from was a swedified finnic settlement.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rurik#Genetic_investigation

>>70743636

Just cuck off already.

>>70743636
Looks more like some Finnish broad got kidnapped during one of Sweden's many raids.

>>70744021

Why ask a question if you don't want answers?

Swedes got that Uralic dicking which Danes lack entirely while Norwegians have much less of.
This is the primary source of ethnogenetic differentiation in Scandinavia, don't you think?

>>70743636
Rurik is a myth who wasn't mentioned until 500 years after his death and only a retard would spend time researching him

>>70740903
>>70740758
BTFO

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>>70744072
>Swedes got that Uralic dicking which Danes lack entirely while Norwegians have much less of.

No, that's not true at all. Unless you count the Swedes native to the eastern side of the sea, where intermixing has happened more frequently.

And even your first claim is considered suspect by scholars, apparently.

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>>70744163

I'm just talking about paternal markers like those carried by Rurikids.
Swedes have some Finnic paternal markers especially in the central parts of Sweden.
Danes obviously lack these almost entirely.

>>70744021
>>70744059
>>70744084
YOu asked a question and i bloody answered it drop the fucking hostility you idiotic spergs.

And what comes to credibility of Rurik existing per se can be questioned but his ruling line existed. so, refuted. And then again i'd ask your countrymen to stop dickriding about rurik creating russia if apparently he was just a meaningless myth.

>>70744236

Oh, you're talking about the forest finns? Those are a special case.

>>70740169
WE

>>70744251

I didn't ask any question. I'm just kind of tired of seeing you parrot the same shit over and over again.

>>70740301
Scot?

>>70744264

>Forest Finns

17th century Finnish immigrants who contributed a little bit to the Swedish gene pool, but I'm talking about dicking which happened much earlier around the time Proto-Finnic people left the homeland in the Volga and ventured out to the Baltic world.

http://www.oulu.fi/sites/default/files/content/CIFU12-PlenaryPapers.pdf

Read from page 63 onwards.

someone post the jpg with every battle the Vikucks ever lost

>>70740085
WE WUZ DANES N SHEIT

>>70744341

No, I'm not going to indulge you, ancient finn guy.

>>70744296
I didn't even parrot anythign i just gave an example why vikings are portrayed as different nationales like the guy asked.

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>>70744331
He's probably that Yorkshireman who keeps posting about certain genetic types being in the county.

>>70743636
Kang, is that you?

>>70744341
Then how come only your eyes are slanty and soulless?

>>70744501

No, you didn't answer shit. You just wanted to parrot.

>>70744560
assmad swedes are why i visit /int/ tbqh

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>>70740337
>brought civilization and stability to every slavic race for hundreds of years
clearly failed then

>>70744497

Swedish autistic denialism is irrelevant.
Archaeology, linguistics and genetics all point towards the same thing.

I can't really understand why Swedes hate scientific investigation so much while Finns embrace it. It makes you look bad not us.

>>70744632
You're the new Argentine, claiming to be white even though your skin isn't. It's so sad.

>>70744632

My man, your ancient finn narrative has nothing to do with scientific investigation.

>>70744743

What does whiteness have to do with anything?

Our language was spread by dickers(white or not) from the Volga with axes and shit and the effects of this dicking were also felt in the central parts of Sweden.

Swedish autism doesn't bother me since I've studied all the material and concluded it all works out better than fine.

>>70744814

You haven't even studied the things you post links to, as it even contradicts you.

>>70744847

There aren't any contradictions though.
It all matches, the archaeology the linguistics and the Y-chromosomes.

>>70744917
>There aren't any contradictions though.

Except for the literal contradiction to your claim.

>>70744971

Which is what?
I can't read your mind Sven Pekkasson.

>>70744985
>I can't read your mind Sven Pekkasson.

Apparently you can't read the links you post either.

>>70745005

Do you need it translated to Swedish?
Google can help you with that.
The ideas rooted in mainstream archaeology and linguistics put forth by Valter Lang match the Y-chromosome tree here >>70744236
perfectly.
L550 dickers were the main ones active in Sweden and Finland at first so Rurik was descended from them.

>>70745084

Check the links you post before posting them. That's all I'm saying.

>>70745164
>>70745005
>>70744971
Pathetic wriggling
t. otehr

>>70745192

I mean, it's literally the exact opposite of what he's said.

>>70745164

Here you go, this is the relevant part.

>According to Parpola’s interpretation,
Proto-Finnic spread to Finland and
eastern Baltic one thousand years after Proto-Saami, i.e. during 800–500 BC
from the middle Volga region, where the
Textile Ware had spread around 1000
BC and where under the influence of the Anan’ino culture the
Akozino/Akhmylovo culture had been formed around 800 BC.

This right here matches with the Y-chromosomes. They start diversifying at the Baltic at precisely the same time.

>>70745254

First of all, is this what you're basing your interpretation upon? Far-fetched to say the least. Secondly, still not getting it. Thirdly, none of what you've posted so far is actually relevant to the topic at hand and it's been a huge waste of time for everyone involved.

>>70745318
>Secondly, still not getting it.

I mean of course that you're not getting it. Better be very clear with the likes of you.

>>70744549
Kang is always here

>>70745318

Finnic languages spread to Baltic @ 800 BC from the Volga.

Y-chromosomes spread to the Baltic @ 800 BC from the Volga.

Do you think there's no connection?
What do you propose that these non-Finnic dickers from the Volga spoke?

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>>70744059
i didnt know women carried y chomosome

>>70745419

Listen to me: you are arguing something that is completely moot.

>>70740192
Most important Vikings were christian

>>70745419
getting sick and tired of this volga meme
as bad as all scandis came from gotland meme

>>70745515

Science isn't a meme though.
Do you understand that there aren't any scientist who deny it? Only some retards on imageboards who are scared and delusional.

>>70741509
But it's okay now because Sweden is a bunch of cuck-slinging refugee fetishists.

>>70745593
>Science isn't a meme though.

Do you consider yourself a scientist? Do you consider your conclusions scientifically sound?

Not that it matters, because your points are moot anyway.

>>70745648

So are Finns.

>>70745437
fascinating tbqh

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>>70743636
i just love how modern science is slowly dismanteling these swedish powerfantasies and eventually revealing how ancient finnish kings ruled the europe in middle ages

>>70745651

I'm just going by what Valter Lang says since he and Parpola are the experts.
Although they don't discuss genetics that also backs up their research since the age of L550 around the Baltic matches perfectly.
Rurik had paternal ancestry from Volga Finnics. There can't be any doubt about it.

>>70745593
>Do you understand that there aren't any scientist who deny it?
source me bro
source me that all contemporary finns came from a specific bend in the volga river and that all scientist are at a consensus about it
otherwise you're talking out of your ass

>>70745706

What he posted literally contradicts the finnish kangz narrative.

>>70745742

Oh so you do think that you're making scientifically sound conclusions. Well, that's just sad.

>Rurik had paternal ancestry from Volga Finnics. There can't be any doubt about it.

Ah, but he did not, as per your earlier link.

>>70745750

Only our N1c(and some other) haplogroups came from the Volga.
Our I1 didn't. I doubt the majority of our maternal lines did either.

>Swedish start their autistic screeching about Rurik and derail their Viking worship thread

SAD. You guys could have had a good old Viking worship thread if you weren't so autistic.

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>>70740337
>Danish Vikings
>raided and pillaged the entirety of Europe
>invaded and conquered England (something only few managed)
>spread their trade and wares as far as Greenland and Americas

>Swedish Vikings
>raided and pillaged the uncivilized Finns and Slavs
>created a huge trading network in an area with no major powers to compete with
>followed the Volga and made contact with Arabs

>>70745706
>>70745757
>>70745778
>>70745965

For clarity: the guy whose work ancient finn guy/Kang(?) is referencing in his claim that Rurik was Finnish LITERALLY AND UNEQUIVOCALLY concludes that Rurik must have been of Swedish (or generally Scandinavian) descent, according to a citation in the very link he posted to support his claim that Rurik was Finnish (which he clearly was not).

>>70746003

See >>70742725

And stop spreading these falsehoods. Swedes spread far and wide, raiding and trading in all directions.

>>70746060
doesnt matter if where exactly he was born but its a fact hes finnic by blood

>>70746060

Who made him the authority on Rurik?

Look, we have to go by with proven facts and nobody's speculation.


Volga dickers who spread Finnic languages are a fact because the level of evidence is too damn high and it's very unlikely if not impossible these dickers can be proven to belong to some ethno-linguistic group.

>>70746098
>but its a fact hes finnic by blood

No, the fact is that he was not. (Häkkinen 2012)

Save yourself some further embarrassment. The author whose work you think proves what you're saying literally says the exact opposite.

>>70746125
>Who made him the authority on Rurik?

You did.

>Look, we have to go by with proven facts and nobody's speculation.

So stop posting. Because you're the only one speculating here.

>>70746132

Do you understand that the Volga dickers lived 1700 years before Rurik?
In those 1700 years their Y-chromosomes accumulated unique mutations all over the Baltic.
Finns obviously don't have these mutations because no dicking of Finns ever happened by people from Sweden.

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>>70746249
>because no dicking of Finns ever happened by people from Sweden.

Alright folks. I think that's it for today. Show's over, everyone. Kang has gone way off the deep end now.

>>70746293

So you're not arguing against the Häkkinen 2012 you used as proof earlier?
Have you thought about the possibility you have schizophrenia?

>Finns aren't Rurik, just look at this Häkkinen 2012
>FINNS ARE SWEDISH AND OF RURIK! MUH DICK!

A mental rollercoaster all within a few minutes.

>>70745810
claims without sources can be dismissed without sources.

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>>70746329
>>70746449

Are you OK?

>>70746467

Katoppa nyt ihan helvetin tarkkaan tätä kuvaa >>70744236

>>70746530

Swedes are willing to drop their proof as soon as it turns that it disproves some fantasy of theirs.

>>70746698

The opposite has happened here. It seems to have distressed you a great deal. So, are you alright? Do you have someone to call?

>>70746889

I just had too much fun laughing at Swedish power fantasy autismo.
It's kind of sad though that there aren't Swedes here capable of actual discussion about these things but then again such a person probably wouldn't disagree with facts.

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>be english
>don't need to build walls or fight because the land is christian and peaceful
>all of a sudden viking niggers come up and slaughter defenceless monks and women and children

Any vikings here? I want to punch you.

>>70746961

The fact is that the evidence points to Rurik having been of entirely Scandinavian origin, by blood and birth. The one who is disagreeing with this fact is you (for one thing). Which is just a very silly thing to do. And you should stop.

I mean, should I be worried about you?

>>70747073

I'm not gonna argue in favor of there being full blooded Finnics in Sweden in 1000 AD because I'm not aware of any evidence of that.

I'm just saying, Ruriks Y-chromosome haplogroup is linked to the dickers from the Volga who spread Finnic languages around the Baltic region in 800 BC.


You could have an African haplogroup and be 99% Swedish. In fact, I think your former PM Reinfeldt is exactly that. I don't care if Rurik was 99.99999% Swedish because I don't care about that at all although in theory he could have had significant Finnic admixture too.

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>>70747209
> I don't care if Rurik was 99.99999% Swedish because I don't care about that at all although in theory he could have had significant Finnic admixture too.

Rurik was 100% Swedish (or Scandinavian), as far as science can tell.

>but I don't care about that

You're the one who keeps bringing it up, although you've been wrong in your assertions all this time, as you really ought to realize by now.

But you really shouldn't be in this thread at all, because you've contributed nothing of value to the topic at hand. Feel free to go speculate about your mongol ancestry in another thread, because it doesn't have anything to do with vikings.

>>70747436

Like I said, I don't care about Rurik that much.

However, his Y-chromosome haplogroup(L550) which is actually interesting unlike him is linked to the dickers from the Volga who introduced Finnic languages to the Baltic region.

Indeed many Swedes carry the haplogroups of these dickers although they are a minority among I1, R1a and R1bs.

I'm not really sure why this causes so much autistic screeching from Swedes.
Just accept it and move on?

>>70747546
>Like I said, I don't care about Rurik that much.

Then stop bringing him up to falsely support your "hurrr finns were viking kangz" narrative.

You are not contributing anything relevant.

viKANGZ are the most pathetic and overrated civilization ever

>>70747617

It's not my narrative.

My narrative is that Finns are descended from Volga people who brought their language and culture here and did some dicking in Sweden too which lead to Rurik carrying their Y-chromosome although not their language or culture.

You can keep crying about it or stop posting.

>>70747740
>My narrative is that Finns are descended from Volga people who brought their language and culture here and did some dicking in Sweden too which lead to Rurik carrying their Y-chromosome although not their language or culture.

That is your personal speculation and it doesn't belong here. It's also wrong, according to actual science.

Like I said, feel free to talk about that in some other thread.

>>70747835

No it is not my personal speculation.

The eastern origin of N1c is not a theory it's a fact.

Ultimately, it's of far eastern origin but more recently it has an origin at the Volga as far as our N1c is concerned.

You can cry about it all you want but the idea that you find only Swedes and and Swedes and so on as you go up the paternal line of Rurik beyond 800 BC is just insane as it implies Swedes always lived in the Volga and migrated across the Urals.
Does that really make sense to you?

>>70747942
>No it is not my personal speculation.

But it is, as you've demonstrated ITT.

I just wish you'd accept the findings of science and fuck off with your irrelevant interests. Just do that. What you're talking about doesn't belong here.

>>70748019

When did scientists find out that Swedes came from the Volga and ultimately from across the Urals?
Do you have a source?

>>70748062

Good fucking god, that's not the point. Also, I'd advise you again to read your own links.

Now fuck off. Here, I made a thread for you >>70748133

>>70748150

No let's keep it here.

Could you explain your theory which connects the origin N1c to Swedishness?

I'm having a really hard time trying to figure it out.

>>70748150

>It's not my theory and that is not its thesis, as I've said.

Can you please try to explain whose theory it is? I just need a name.

I just can't wrap my mind around the idea that Swedes came from the Volga quite recently and carried N1c L550.

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>>70746293
He's right, though.

>Of the 28% of I1 in Finland, 65% belong to the exclusively Finnish L287 (downstream of L22) and particularly its L258 subclade. A few percents more belong to other subclades that are also specifically Finnish (e.g. L300). The rest (5-10%) generally resemble more closely Swedish I1. The Swedish-like subclades are unsurprisingly found primarily on the west and south-west coast of Finland, where Swedes have settled in historical times and where Swedish is still spoken. This is also where most of the R1b (3.5%) and Scandinavian R1a-Z282 (3%) is to be found. The Scandinavian I1 in Finland is found at a similar proportion to R1b and R1a as in Sweden. In contrast, Finnish I1 is found in all the country, where hardly any Germanic Y-DNA is present strongly hints that the I1 in Finland is pre-Germanic origin.

As for Rurik's N1c1, where do you suggest it came from if not from Finland?

>>70748150
>>70748195
When some critical point comes up Swedes have a tendency of going "lalalalalala I can't hear you"
This thread is no different.

>>70749651
>swedes in denial

what else is new

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>>70744520
ACTUALLY that would be me, don't know who this other lad is

>tfw vikang

>>70749541
>>70749651

No, he's not right. The very link he provided proves that he isn't.

http://www.elisanet.fi/alkupera/Rurikid.pdf

>>70751663

Try to formulate your theories coherently before you click post for once.

How does Rurik having 1700 years worth of mutations which form the Rurikid and pre-Rurikid subclades from the ancestral form, which had it's origins at the Volga prove anything about the dickers identity?

They obviously couldn't have mutations which hadn't happened yet.

>>70740205
>viking abos
Perish the thought!

>>70751663
It only proves that his N1c1 subclade originated in Scandinavia, but Finnics have inhabited Scandinavia for millenia so that doesn't disprove his purported Finnic origin.

>>70741862
he's dumb irl

Since this cognitively challenged Swede seems to have difficulties expressing himself I can come up with three theories which might possibly make sense for him


1. Ruriks N1c was always Germanic because Germanic people originate at the Volga and spread to Scandinavia from there

2. Ruriks N1c comes from very ancient migrations to Scandinavia which occurred long before Finnic languages came to the Baltic

3. N1c originates in Scandinavia and all N1c people in the world descend from Scandinavians

Perhaps he's capable of saying which one he has faith in.
Alternatively he could believe in something very abstract like the Earth being created very recently(but made to look old) or something else like that which is hard to expect.

>>70740091
According to Den Store Danske Encyklopædi and Nudansk Ordbog, the name derives from the Dutch words kat (cat) and gat (hole, gate). It derives from late medieval navigation jargon, in which captains of the Hanseatic trading fleets would compare the Danish Straits to a hole so narrow that even a cat would have difficulty squeezing its way through, on account of the many reefs and shallow waters.[5][6] At one point, the passable waters were a mere 3.84 km (2.39 mi) wide. The name of the Copenhagen street Kattesundet has a comparable etymological meaning, namely "narrow passage".[6]

An archaic name for both the Skagerrak and Kattegat was the Norwegian Sea or Jutland Sea (Knýtlinga saga mentions the name Jótlandshaf). Its ancient Latin name was Sinus Codanus.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kattegat#Etymology

>>70740085
>Gothengat

>>70740479
A swede would know all about revisionist history.

>>70751829

It has nothing to do with your speculations. Rurik has nothing to do with Finland, or Finns in general. You were not vikings. Stop pretending.

>>70741968
>Polish name

makes me think

>>70757012

Except that Rurik had a Y-chromosome and this Y-chromosome belonged to a Finnic male some 1700 years before Rurik was born.