1. Your country. 2. Did Japan deserve the nukings?

>>70738315
No. They just needed to be stopped from killing everyone around them. We didn't exactly put ourselves in the right by killing innocent civilians.

>>70738315
>Did Japan deserve the nukings?
No and if I had my way I'd see major American cities get nuked. It's a truly cancerous nation with disgusting people in need of a complete humiliation and reset.

>>70738315
Every european power deserved getting nuked 10x more

>>70738315
Yes Japs were bastards

Yeah I still remember when it happened and how we all laughed at it around the radio

1. America
2. No, but it was the best way to end the war.

Yes, but they shouldn't have aimed at civilians targets.

>>70738393
For doing what? You guys killed and conquered way more. You guys helped them build a fleet in the first place. You guys wouldbt even accept them as equals in the league of nations even after they became a modernized imperial power.

>>70738439
Its a nuke. They hit their military industrial citites. No matter where they fired civillians wouldve been decimated.

US
No, Japan had already surrendered, we just dropped them to scare the Soviets

>>70738315
No.

The people did not deserve that, they were innocents.

The military deserved worse.

>>70738465
For doing what?

>>70738315
No, but I can't imagine how different modern Japan could be if it didn't happen

>>70738484
>>70738445
What's being Japanese in Canada like?

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>>70738411

>>70738315
No, but it's the only viable way to end the war quickly and preventing Japan from becoming like the Korean peninsula

>>70738393
>Japs were bastards
>coming from the same cunt that killed more than twice as much people as Chairman Mao did

>>70738393
Brits nuked for messing up the middle east when

>>70738315
Flag
Yes japan is one of the most cancerous countries in the world. God bless America for bombing it twice

>>70738485
actually, it wouldn't have been that different, as the nukes per se were the icing on the cake compared to the soviets' entry in the first place. godzilla might not have been produced though.

>>70738612
At least they had the balls not to surrender immediately.

>>70738689
and their planes and some of their tanks were half decent (unlike the italians)

>>70738315
Different time. Different world. Unfortunate and hard to rationalize in modern understanding.

Flag

Probably, don't see the point in our guys dying when Japs could die instead.

>>70738736
T h i s

>>70738721
Why does the Italian navy have glass-bottomed boats?

So they can see the old Italian navy.

>>70738315
^
Yes,just look at how they treated PoWs,chink civies and the shit they pulled on people accepting their surrenders or trying to save them

>>70738689
>At least they had the balls not to surrender immediately
That was one of the worst decision ever made by a country. Going to war against America was a fucking suicide and 2 of their cities were completely wiped out because of their stupid "muh we da best nevah surrenda". They deserve what they got.

Flag
No, and we should formally apologize for it.

>>70738786
good 1

>>70738819
You can't comprehend expansionist japanese mentality.
They were warmongers and savages, they lived for the battle. The fact that even after the surrender the troops just decided to rather walk into the ocean and be devoured by sharks is something that Europeans would never understand.

>>70738445
>boohoo americans should be ashamed of winning agaisn't their aggresors
>it's americans fault japs military was retarded and ruined their nations good relationship
>it's americans fault nips weren't invited

>let's kill a couple HUNDRED thousand civilians because we're short tempered and don't want to utilize any more of our soldiers for the exact function they exist for, and then make up this horridly bad excuse of how a ground invasion would've costed even more lives because according to our claims every Jap is insane and would've attacked us with knives

yes, and two was obviously not enough.

>>70738874
Because germany surrendered when the war was lost right?
Instead of sending teens and seniors off to die and getting their cities bombed to the ground

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>>70738864
>The fact that even after the surrender the troops just decided to rather walk into the ocean and be devoured by sharks is something that Europeans would never understand.
w-what

>>70738864
That's why I said that they deserve what they got. They were not humans they killed so many civilians that the America bombing looks like a joke. Modern day Japan is pretty cool tho.

>>70738951
We did draft inappropriate ages towards the end of the war, but there was no such thing as civilians attacking opposing forces. Whenever the Yanks try to justify their nukes they make it sound like the entirety of Japan was war-crazy and would've had to be fought, which is complete bullshit.

>>70738951
Reminds me of Paraguay. After Argentina and Brazil were done with the adults they started drafting teens and kids for a long time until those were butchered for the most part too.

Japan as a nation? Yes.
But it doesnt mean the general populace deserved it. Especially the people on impact zone.

>>70739014
The bushido-niggers were war crazy though and civies would of gotten drafted/forced to fight or gotten bombed

1. Flag
2. There is no such thing as "deserving" a nuclear attack. The USA was at war with a formidable opponent and used its most powerful weapon, like all empires ever did. Japan surrendered because of the Soviet invasion of Manchuria though.

>>70739014
Like someone mentioned, it's a nuke. You hit the insane warmongers and you'll hit the rest.
Most were insane. Asians were animals, they can be crueler than any other race.

>>70738315
Nuke was not justified. But even if we don't agree on that, Japan already surrendered before the second nuke. Why were they bombed again then? Because it wasn't unconditional. Translation: "There's no debate with biggots, die cis scum"
Oh, and Nagasaki was the Christian center of Japan. Japanese Christianity suffered enough before already. Nice job Satan's whore - America!

>>70738315
1. Flag

2. Deserve? Maybe. Wrong line of thinking. Necessary? Yes.
For the following reasons:
>bomb designs needed a live test
>demonstrate to Soviets that the US had working designs and was willing to use them
>Japanese surrender unconditionally
>unlike Europe, Japan didn't have dedicated industrial zones, they mixed it in with civilian housing. Precision bombing wasn't a thing.
>there's nothing special about nuclear weapons, they're just another weapon. More people had been previously killed by the firebombing bombing runs than both nuclear weapons.

>>70739278
>>70738463
>Japan had already surrendered
[Citation needed]

>>70739341
Serving multiple American interests doesn't make it necessary, only more attractive.

Yes but only because it helped lead to the creation of weeb shit.

Excellent

Now apologize for war crime

Amazing how during Obama's Hiroshima visit, my defense of Japan was criticized by nearly everyone. I simply was arguing that the nukes didn't need to be dropped on civilian cities to get Japan to surrender.

Now that Trump is president, the majority are saying no.

Really made me think

>>70738315
Yes because I want the US to nuke China right now.

China now is Japan back then. let it start war.

1. United States
2. No, the Japanese did not "deserve" the nuclear bombs. But they did their job of ending the deadliest conflict in the history of the world and showing the Soviets that America was not playing games. No ragrets

>>70739679
Don't need nukes just remove the safety nets

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>>70739679

>>70739679
>China now is Japan back then. let it start war.

How many nations has China invaded this year?

>yes yes please rape my ass because I'm so butthurt

>>70739698
>remove the safety nets
penalties like trade barriers?

>>70739756
No,the ones catching all the workers trying to kill themselves

>>70739738
>this year
why only this year?

CUNT
Yes

>>70739788
China hasn't been at war since 1979.

Japan invaded 16 separate nations and fought 38 in WW2.

>>70738315
no

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>be japan
>attack USA
>get 2 cities completely decimated

>be muslim jihadist
>attack USA
>get entire region destabilized and ravaged by war for 15+ years

>>70739875
you forgot to say your country

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>>70739944
>be american
>attack innocent rice farmers
>whole country now under pusedo hipster control

>>70739944
>be japan
>be the only industralizing country in Asia
>surrounded by agrarian savages
>America blocks your trade so you can't get oil anyomre
>they do it on purpose to provoke a war

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>>70739977

>>70739490

American interests at that point were well aligned with the allies.

>>70738384
based aussiebro

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>>70740007
>be american
>attack innocent russian vodka distillers
>country filled with communists, marxists and socialists

>be american
>ensalve hardworking africans
>country now ungulfed by hostile black criminals

>be american
>steal mexican land
>end up watching tv with mexicans stealing your women

>be american
>bomb bystander german civilians
>country now filled with neo-nazis, nazi worshipping white trash and wherabooos

>be american
>assault afghanis for vague reasons
>muslims now come to american and convert your civilians

>>70738384
>Being this mad about americans gangbanging your grandma, while grandpa was away in africa

>>70739822
all people ain't like you and don't live day-to-day all the time either. you should compare imperial Japan just before ww2 happened

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>>70740081
>imperial Japan just before ww2 happened
>country batshit insane
>all hail the eternal emperor, we will """liberate"""" all of asia for him

>china right now
>making trains
>investing globally and in SEA


>containing a significant number of weaboos
>starting """""war""""" and """"invasions""""""

don't project your perverted desires on us filth

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>>70740059
s-stop, i'm warning you

>>70740121
shut up son of mainlander why do you ignore the facts China already became "challenger" against the US

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>>70740125
>be american
>attack innocent natives

>natives now laugh haughtily as you guys are invaded by mexicans

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>>70740157
they became a challenger and they did the exact opposite of you

the minute you decided you could challenge the USA you immediately tried to murder and subjugate all of us and got yourself nuked twice in the process.

China became a challenger and still refrained to only economic dominance, it says alot about the differences between the two

just accept your perverted desires and become my trap waifu

>>70740207
>defending China ater all
non sense at all

>>70740059
>
when did this happen?Besides America is anti-commie to a fault

>
niggers enslaved and sold off their own,now they shoot each other in their ghettos

>
Mexico got that land by conquest,same way as America.Women are free to choose their own man

>
it was filled with germans before

>
freedom of religion ain't bad

China
Japan did nothing wrong

>>70740237
not really attack, but in many of the proxy wars soviet helpers came into contact with american ones

they still chose to enslave them, they deserve all the consequences

I agree on the mexicans,germans and muslims, but its funny to see americans get butthurt about it

>>70740229
you always suck american dick, how can I defend a country that sucks dicks?

>>70740237
Lithuania remaining my #1 ally

Absolutely
2 nukes were simply not enough

Fuck J*pan and their degenerate "culture"

>>70738315
>Did Japan deserve the nukings?
Back then, debatable.
Now, definitely.

Getting nuked twice just made them deserve more nukes.

>>70738315
>1. Your country.
flag
>2. Did Japan deserve the nukings?
no

if you say that they do that would also mean americans deserve to get nuked too

the English too

the French too

the German too

the Russian too

the Chinese too

the Hungarians too

every muslim country too

etc.


There are many ''deserving parties''.The question you should ask is:
Was there any real need for using atom bombs Japan other then to pursue the American political interests around the world?

two nukes wasn't enough but i dislike nuclear weapons since i live near north korea

>>70741084
How the fuck are your enemies undeserving of getting bombed?The japs wanted to bomb americans into surrender with Pearl Harbor and instead the reverse happened

>Was there any real need for using atom bombs Japan other then to pursue the American political interests around the world?
yeah ending the fucking war for everyone

>>70741084
Tbh all those countries do deserve nuking.

>>70741418
Except that the Pearl Harbor attacks cost less lives than 9/11, of which over 97% were military.

>>70740739
t. zhang

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>>70741453

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A 14-year-old girl severely injured by the atomic bomb

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>>70742354
I can't understand Japan's sudden change of attitude toward USA after WW2 ended.

During entire postwar period, Japs have been dying to suck US dick who BTFOed them completely with nukes and napalm.

Even in WW2, US troops were suspicious of Japanese being favorable to them after surrender, who in yesterday commit kamikaze, banzai attack, POW abuse.

what would japan be like today if it hadn't been nuked

>>70749125
Probably the same tbqh but no Akira

>>70749125
no anime

>>70749841
>he never watched glorious WWII propaganda anime

>>70749125
if they surrendered part of it to the soviets that part would be north korea tier

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>>70738391
>leaf

>>70738315
Yeah, but Germany deserved nukes 10 times more

>>70738461
They actually aimed away from industrial zones to drop it dead centre on the civilian population.

They even avoided bombing it in advance so they could get the most accurate results of its destructive power.

>>70751668
It was more of a demonstration anyway. I think they even avoided bombing it beforehand, so it'd be clear what a single nuke would do.

>>70740229
>cant argue back
>but why you defend China?!?!
please kill yourself you broken minded nigger excrement

>>70740059
>end up watching tv with mexicans stealing your women
this one doesn't happen though

>>70738874
>every Jap is insane
>would've attacked us with knives
i dont see anything unreasonable with either of these claims

>>70738315
> nip on /pol/ makes thread complaining about how shit his country is
> reply telling him that it's karma for the japanese war crimes
> thread gets delet
what did he mean by this

>>70751920
what in his point can I argue back? he admitted China became a challenger tho.

>>70739683
>showing the Soviets that America was not playing games
showing the soviets america was actually capable of winning a foreign war without some other real country having to win it, you mean
if the US didn't drop the nukes they would have been reinforced by Commonwealth forces (probably by the end of the summer) thus demonstrating the US was incapable of defeating even some yellowmen barely out of the feudal age without assistance

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>deserve

I'll say this once, the concept of "war crimes" in general are hazy as war, in its definition, is two groups of people trying to murder each other enough to submit, everyone crosses the line at varying points.

Now WW2 was one of the most morally bereft wars in history and certainly the most in modern history, perpetrated on all sides. One group would up the ante on the immorality and the other would respond and follow suit.

The nukes were justified because they made America's job much easier at the conclusion of the war, ensured victory, and saved lives of their own men. That's all they are responsible for caring about at that point. And Japan should be thankful we didn't let the Soviets invade and turn their island into another despotic Socialist experiment.

>>70738315
1. flag
2. Deserve isn't the right word, especially given civilian causalities; it was more necessary to end it right there as it would've otherwise just escalated to far worse extents.

>>70752529

>anytime some meme commonwealth force joins to assist a larger body they claim 50% of the effort
>every fucking time

Fuck off leaf

>muh superior force per capita

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>>70738424
>it was the best way to end the war

>>70754655
Not totally wrong. Tbh firebombing wreaked more destruction and killed more civilians than the atom bombs by far and the Japanese didn't give a fuck, nukes were just a show of power.

>>70752224
>mfw Japan could've allied with China to take on the US with a surprisingly high chance of victory
>mfw rice niggers are too stupid to comprehend this concept

Doesn't matter, the US crushed Japan in WWII and we'll crush China in the next one. Too fucking easy when you're fighting gooks.

>>70752224
you were arguing that china was imperial japan
>it wasn't

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>>70754655
>scaring dirty commies from attacking the west
>not the best way to end the war by preventing a new one

>>70738315
1. worst
2. 100%

>>70762204
what's wrong with nice lithuania?

WHY DIDNT WE JUST NUKE TOKYO BAY AS A SHOW OF FORCE?

>>70738315
For what purpose? America already is using Japan as a sex slave for eternity.

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>>70764100
>tfw they didnt all have fat mans to drop

>>70738315
>2. Did Japan deserve the nukings?
America is saved world from usual wars, by bombing Japan. It was necessary evil.

A better question: Did nagasaki have to be nuked and why did we let Hirohito stay in power when the Japanese's own condition for surrender was to keep the emperor?

>>70738384
literally this

>>70764572

I'm guessing the hundreds of guys involved in American strategy during the war and faced with all of the clear facts and not the extremely muddled 70 years after the fact version had a good reason for it

I trust them

>>70764572
I think it was something along the lines of having good anthropologists so you could keep Japan satisfied with whatever you did with them.

>>70747192
Because people with convictions who believe in the cause tend not to survive the war, leaving the normies who are happy to just get on with their lives.

>>70738315
no.

If the US airforce, and US navy cooperated a little better, they could've mined the waters way earlier, thereby starving the jap before 1944, and kill off way more of those hipless nips than small town nuking.

Nukes saved more japs than they killed.

>>70764209
Truman approved use of nuke for early end of war thus minimizing troops casualties.

>>70764100
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Tokyo

>Era of strategic bombing campaign in every fronts including Germany.

>>70765022
>>70765022
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Starvation

US already did that in large scale.
They planted 12,135 naval mine in vital water routes and port.

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Milne_Bay

>"Lying across the [air]strip were dozens of dead Japs... As our officer crossed in the vanguard a Jap, apparently wounded, cried out for help. The officer walked over to aid him, and as he did the Jap sprang to life and hurled a grenade which wounded him in the face. From then on the only good Jap was a dead one, and although they tried the same trick again and again throughout the campaign, they were dispatched before they had time to use their grenade.

>"Our policy was to watch any apparent dead, shoot at the slightest sign of life and stab with bayonet even the ones who appeared to be rotten. It was all out from then on, neither side showing any quarter and no prisoners were taken."

– Sergeant Arthur Traill, 2/12th Infantry Battalion, Australian Army.

>>70765295
yes, but they had the opportunity to do this way earlier than they did.

Instead, they resorted to submarines, ships, and tactical naval bombers to destroy jap shipping.

By using their strategic air arm in mining the waters, rather than bombing cities, starvation would occur earlier.

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>>70765302
meanwhile at home

>>70747192
your point has been pointed out by many Japanese critics

they say that Japanese have a strange ethical sense compared to others

>>70747192
From certain history lessons I heard that the Japanese was always trying to emulate what they consider superior to them.

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yes

>>70765598
Something up?

>>70738315
Australia would be Japanese Clay if Japan won WW2.

Really makes you think.

>>70738411
Happy 90th birthday

>>70754746
>crush China in the next one
counting on you asshole

>>70760647
it is. well then as for China what makes Trump and his associates ticked off now? although China's recent aggression is totally Obama's fault, he looks to rush to take advantage back. the US never accept the late coming challenger

The apology of the past war is nonsense

>>70765759
those are kids chinese

>>70766420
Not, if your country tried to take a world.

>1. Your country.
NZ
>2. Did Japan deserve the nukings?
indeed just look at saigon , formosa (aka taiwan), veitnam and machuria
these forgotten wars where low scale but killed fucktons of people even more than the whole china civil war.

its funny but residents accully beleive there people never got killed but its a load of bullshit according to UK OSS which has had a HQ in china.
they are so brainwashed nothing happened that there are only unexplained mass graves in those countries so many of their citizens where raped that if you did a DNA test of every citzen just over 15% would have japanese blood.
thats 15% of 200 million people.
that's alot of rape.
>>70738575
no mao killed more than starlinand the japanese combined.
the british killed less than 6 million because guess what fuckface there was less people then idoit.
GET OUT OF MY COUNTRY REEEEE~

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>>70767713
>15% would have japanese blood.
>thats 15% of 200 million people.
>that's alot of rape.

>>70767713
>the british killed less than 6 million
Then explain the famine that happened in British India, that killed around 20 million people Zhang, explain the attoricites that the British commit in Africa, Asia and in the Americas
>there was less people
Guess what faggot, That statement has no meaning

>>70738315
You would rather we starved the island to death? Fire-bombing? Germ warfare, perhaps?
You children amuse me, with your righteous indignation, based on revisionist history and hearsay. What does Wiki tell you?

It is understandable that those countries which were allied with Japan would be afraid of war, as we also beat them. Badly. They had no grandfathers, only sad grandmothers; no fathers; only sperm donors. A matron society. Conflict is to avoided at all costs. Appease the masters in order to survive; possibly to even thrive.

Now you sit comfortably in your homes and libraries and bars, enjoying the abundant gifts we bestowed upon you: industry, self determination, economy, science, medicine, a voice in the world, instead of leaving you to die of disease and starvation as empires past considered charitable. And you complain, as you were encouraged to learn in your rebuilt schools, and seek to understand the evils of your past. You are excused.

The majority of Americans here? No honor. None is expected, as they have also grown soft under the protection of those upon which they spit. Please, continue to misunderestimate me.

Yes, Japan deserved the nukings.
They attacked us.
We attacked back.
It is the way of things.
Some day you will also find some thing worth fighting for.
Enjoy your innocence while it lasts.

>>70738384
Your grandfather was a casualty of the Battle of Brisbane, wasn't he?

>>70768344
>Then explain the famine that happened in British India
war with neibours

> that killed around 20 million people
B.S. most of that was from the black plauge also indians are genuinely unclean that is not to say chinese are not the same in same part but none the less also marira killed more people in india
also the 20 millions is from the now sperate pakistan and bangelish regions need i say why?

>Zhang, explain the attoricites that the British commit in Africa

lack of resoures and the inablity for niggers of different tribes to get along to share limited resorces there is many theroies on why

Of course i'll be here for ever trying to explain the concept.

As for asia I explained that one clearly.

europe is competive and empires and shit to control hearts and minds in fact most of the battles their where to take people out of power or put people into power with the expection of france that has a fucked up system and just fuck everything politics (if it ain't france kill it mentality)

>>70770246
agree
but that is a selfish viewpoint none the less.

>>70770965
>agree
>but that is a selfish viewpoint none the less.

We earned it by being unselfish.

>>70738736
That's right.

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Of course yes. Only virgin weeboos say otherwise. Victims of japanese war crimes smiled when nukes killed those racist jap bastards

>>70771601
which sword chops the head off more cleanly?

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>>70771649
a bundle of straw is known to be as hard as human bone

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>>70750576
>leaf

>>70771793
how does one acquire qt samurai gf?

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>>70771845
i want to know too

>>70771649
It depends on a number of factors. Angle of the stroke and the tilt of the neck, thickness and weight and sharpness of the blade, strength of the person wielding the blade, etc.

>>70738315
Looked at from the perspective of the people who were alive and involved with making the decisions at the time, the nuclear bombings were not an indefensible decision. It can be said that the bombings were terrible, crimes against humanity, some of the greatest atrocities in human history, and so on, and that's not wrong, but the decision to use nuclear force could be justified and defended in the context where the decision was made. That doesn't mean it was the right decision, but there is a case to be made that it was the right decision.

>>70738361
The problem is that these were our options to stop them:

1. Invade (millions would die on both sides)
2. Go all-out with conventional bombings, cripple their infrastructure for good, let them starve (millions of Japs die)
3. Accept the Japanese conditional surrender (they maintain their sovereignty and military, completely unacceptable for the US/China/Russia/basically everyone in Asia).
4. Drop the atomic bombs (150,000 die)

The nukes were a horrible decision to make, but they were the "least worst" option.

the 2 nukes was disgusting. innocent japanese died very painfully. america should not have done this, its not necessary

>>70738874
Is Germany criticizing anyone for murdering civilians?

a dead zipperhead is a dead zipperhead, civilian or otherwise

>>70772588
>2. Go all-out with conventional bombings, cripple their infrastructure for good, let them starve (millions of Japs die)

*Read the report the Strategic Bombing Survey, led by Curtis "I laugh all day when foreigners get blown away" LeMay, wrote up for the President. They had it in their power to send Japan to the pre-industrial age technologically, and its industrial population would have begun to starve en masse.

Depending on how long it took for the Japanese to break (and it could be a while, since soldiers and their families had access to most of the food to begin with), we could have been looking at 10 million+ casualties. Truman would be remembered as one of the most evil men in history.

>>70772604
What would you have suggested?

>>70772674
>Truman would be remembered as one of the most evil men in history.
Now he's just known as the first and only guy who decided to use a nuke

>>70772964
Which is much better. A nuke is just a bigger bomb. Starving 10 million people to death would make him Stalin/Mao-tier.

>>70772588
A few things here. The Japanese leadership did not actually react particularly strongly to the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings at the time when they occurred. They got phone calls to notify them of the bomb raids, but didn't really get any more alarmed about it than they had gotten about conventional bomb raids. There was no more rush to discuss peace after the Hiroshima bombing than there had been before it, they didn't schedule any special session or convene to discuss that bombing in particular at length. Similarly with Nagasaki, they waited for some time before actually coming together to agree on waving the white flag. And when they did do that, it wasn't because they were notified about the bombing of Nagasaki, but rather it was because they had received information about the Soviet invasion of Japan's holdings on the continent.

Before the Soviet invasion, there was still hope for a conditional surrender. The USSR was perceived as having a different agenda than the US, and it was thought that the Soviets, with a vested interest in pacific affairs due to their coastline and fear of an invasion force landing in Siberia, could be counted on to want to hold off a complete usurpation of Japan's political power by the Americans. So the Soviets could have acted as mediators in a conditional surrender, or so the Japanese top brass had hoped.

The nuclear bombings left a profound cultural imprint that is difficult to understate, even when the memories of them were still fresh, but to look at them as the primary reason, instead of just one reason among many, of why Japan surrendered, is fallacious.

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>>70773249
>Before the Soviet invasion, there was still hope for a conditional surrender. The USSR was perceived as having a different agenda than the US, and it was thought that the Soviets, with a vested interest in pacific affairs due to their coastline and fear of an invasion force landing in Siberia, could be counted on to want to hold off a complete usurpation of Japan's political power by the Americans. So the Soviets could have acted as mediators in a conditional surrender, or so the Japanese top brass had hoped.

>>70773249
Yeah, i get what you're saying. But the bombs were still game changers, in a lot of ways. You're right that there was still a huge fight, but the Emperor ultimately broke the deadlock among the top leaders and the bombs were the critical factor there. They had no idea just how many atomic bombs the US had. Total annihilation was now virtually guaranteed, there was no hope of a Divine Wind 2.0.

Many Japanese leaders were holding out hope that they could somehow repel an American or Soviet invasion. And there was actually a massive typhoon on its way that would have ruined an American invasion and only boosted Japanese morale (they would have thought their gods were intervening again, as they had with the Mongols). The Russians would have been bogged down for a long, long time attacking the outlying northern islands of Japan, just look how futile their invasions of Sakhalin and the Kurils were.

>but to look at them as the primary reason, instead of just one reason among many, of why Japan surrendered, is fallacious.

There were many reasons. But I believe the bombs were the most important.

>>70773283
What's with the reaction face? He's right.

>>70773249
Excellent, unbiased and fact-based answer, but American nationalists are never going to accept it because doesn't fit into the narrative.

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>>70773390
>"american nationalists will never accept it"
>there's a post by an american nationalist right above you agreeing with him
>mfw

Our colonies were attacked by Japan and Dutch people put into camps, so nobody here even questions the nukes. Everyone knows they deserved it.

>>70773619
Only on 4chan I learned that there were Americans that had an issue with it.
In our history books it's the best thing since sliced bread.

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>>70773619
>>70773645

>>70773683
I guess you agree with me then.

>>70738315
And they won't repent for squad 731 and shit ofc.

>>70773645
Americans relentlessly question and criticize everything our country has ever done. This is often a good thing, since our ancestors did objectively evil things, but at the same time it can be annoying when perfectly reasonable decisions are attacked.

>>70773683
>"we're going to liberate 1 billion asians! down with euro imperialism!"
>be even worse than the europeans
>be so bad that the other asians actively fight against you

Has any nation ever fucked up its "liberation mission" as badly as Japan? Even the US had the good sense not to stay in most of the Latin American countries it fucked with.

>>70773645
My freshman world history class in high school years ago once had the day's lesson dedicated to debating the atomic bombing. IIRC it was mostly girls and a couple of beta guys arguing that it was wrong. IIRC 60-70% of the class were in support of the bombing.

This was over a decade ago though. With the rampant leftism and sjwism lately that number would probably be higher now.

I think apologizing now is pointless, but we should be honest about what happened and why. Trying to pretend Japan is only a victim is stupid, but many people want to do that.

>>70773850
I don't think we really have a moral discussion about history here very often.

The only one I remember was about if soldiers who follow orders are responsible for their actions or not.
Things like slavery and arming Indians are even considered justified from a historical perspective and part of our golden age.

>>70773382
>There were many reasons. But I believe the bombs were the most important.
And I would argue otherwise. The atomic bomb raids were not the most destructive bombings carried out by the US against the Japanese mainland. There had been worse just within the month prior to the raid on Hiroshima. The reason why Hiroshima and Nagasaki were targeted for the atomic bomb raids was because there were few good targets left. On the entire Japanese mainland there were only something like fifteen settlements with a population of 100,000 or more, that had not been devastated by bombing at the time. So the destructive power of the nuclear weapons was certainly great, but the resultant destruction didn't change the strategic situation much on the Japanese side of things.

But it has to be said that the atomic bombings had a much greater psychological impact than any raid that used conventional munitions. The fallout and the state the people caught in the blast were in, that was much harsher than what the fire bombings had resulted in.

But I reiterate, the strategic position of Japan did not change as much from what happened in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, compared to how the situation changed as a result of the Soviet invasion. The objectives remained the same: hold out for a conditional surrender and ascertain that the leadership evades getting prosecuted as war criminals. And these objectives were only accepted as unattainable once the Soviets had moved into the Korean peninsula.

>>70773850
>Has any nation ever fucked up its "liberation mission" as badly as Japan?
America, regularly

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>>70773850
that's objectively not true from the fact that even today the only developed countries of asia except city states are where japan liberated, stayed for a considerable period, and left japanized system.

>>70774157
>being this delusional
this is why two was not enough. japanese should have been exterminated

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>>70774268
i'm talking about facts.
the philippines, for example, was a legit US colony for like a half century and they are still developing

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>>70774356
Japan was a US colony for about a decade and it's doing alright now

>>70774596
no, japan was under allied occupation.
and your argument per se backs up my point, because it means the less US occupation period the more development, not to mention the fact there is no country that isn't a shithole today among those who underwent US occupation, except for japan and germany, which were great powers in the first place xD

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>>70738384
Here here to that. And that "reset" would be no freemasons, niggers, kikes, leftists and globalists. As well as a complete crackdown on the vile "lgbt" community.

>>70774048
It's the thought that counts.

>>70738315
Most certainly, not on people but to degenerated anime shit.

>Maybe Japanese girls would have better teeth if it weren't for the radiation, so no they should not be nuked.

>>70739944
Be america
>growing muslim communities in country

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Why does Japan keep apologizing to America when they should be apologizing to everyone involved in the pacific theater?

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>>70779390
By apologizing to America they did so.

>>70779390
>They don't realize other countries don't perceive apologetic behavior as honorable act.

>>70779390
they simply deny that it ever happened

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flag
yes, but they are small enough to wander about wreckage and also strong enough to survive the radioactivity of damaged nuclear power plants.

>>70738315
NO japanese were best allies

>>70774826
You guys will forever be a US Colony if you continue to let Abe have free reign.

>>70738315
flag
no but they'll endure
compared to them americans are not what they were in ww2, whiteys are dying

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>>70742354

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>>70779390
APOLOGISE NOW

>>70779390
>>70782792
Disgusting Nip subhumans

>>70738874
>according to our claims every Jap is insane and would've attacked us with knives

.

>>70765302
isnt this technically a war crime?

>2. Did Japan deserve the nukings?
No country deserves to be nuked
except of course russia but what DON'T they deserve haha

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Could japs invent anime,gozilla and other weeaboo shit without beig nuked?

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Sarmatia

YES
E
S

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>>70783011
thankyu-

>>70783289
you wrong brother. you wrong.
no our kawaii weeb total shit without nuke.
Nuke helped everything Japan nau.

>>70783289
at least samurai and ninja existed before nukes.
also anime to some extent.

>>70740157
>"challenger"

Who are you quoting?

America should apologise for intermnent of Japanese Americans, firebombing and nukes.

Japan should apologise for Unit 731, comfort women and Rape of Nanking.

Do you like Poland!?

>>70747192
There's a legitimate Japanese social characteristic that leads to emulation of those considered superior/stronger.

>>70783843
fuck off u pole exchange student

>>70764100
I used to ask this but I learned that the US only produced 3 nuclear weapons in all of 1945.
We only had 40 by 1950.

So if 1 or 2 were duds in 1945, the war would have continued into 1946.

>>70772674

>Truman would be remembered as one of the most evil men in history.

Nah, not really.

No one actually cares when foreigners die indirectly.

Just look at the Iraq sanctions, who the fuck even remembers that like half a million kids starved to death? Barely anyone. Certainly not enough to make any sort of impression.

>>70779390
Because we cucked them and continue to

>>70738315
Modern Japan doesn't deserve nukings, but Imperial Japan did.

>>70738315
The nukings were the quickest way to end the war with the minimum amount of casualties. If they would have gone with the invasion the civilian death toll would have been much higher not to speak of the military losses both sides would suffer. Also japan was better equipped to defend the mainland than the allies had estimated.

>>70779390
Because with the Chinese and Russia next door to them they need to make sure they have a deterrent. We're the devil they know.

>>70738315
yes those sons of w*ores invented anime

>>70738315
Sometimes to put out a fire you must explode something big near it.

>>70774157

The exact same could be used for all the countries the West colonized. I fail to see how this is a good argument.

Colonialism is bad because it removes self-sovereignty from a nation, and usually leads to a lot of murders and other things. The ecenomic benefits are irrelevant.

>>70774826

>What is Jordan
>What is Singapore
>What is Hong Kong

European colonialism had massive financial benefits for all the colonized countries. That still doesn't justify it.

>>70738315
1. Ireland
2. No, they would have surrendered with Soviets anyway imo

>>70738315
Hell yes. The barbaric bastards. If we had invaded the mainland they would have strapped samurai swords to babies and thrown them at us. Literally ISIS in ww2.

They needed a clear message that extinction or surrender were their only options.

>>70786410
FUCK YOU MOTHER FUCKER
I HATE YOU NIGGER OBAMA

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俺たちも外人retardedを襲うかな
どーせ日本来た奴らはキモオタばっかだろwww

While it did end the war it's kind of a dick move (read: war crime) to blast two huge hubs of civilians away.

Leave it to USA:ians to stay out of the war until it's literally brought to them, only handle clean-up service after all the real fighting was over yet still commit the biggest atrocity.