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Updated.

>>70439655
Aroostook and Acadia should be part of Quebec

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>>70440204
>land border with Mexico
>frozen wastelands
>the unpopulated part of the country
>taking the US West Coast hippies

>leaving Austria alive
>giving Turks more
>poland and ukraine exist

And I don't care who but someone absorb Spain, Italy and Greece into one big fail state.

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>>70440371
fix Southamerica, here's perfect template

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>Bolivia with sea

>bolivia has sea access
FUCKING
LEAF
KILL YOUR PATHETIC SELF

>>70440318
I will agree with you on the monolingual French areas of Acadia, but not the rest of NB or Aroostook, as they are largely now native English speakers or natively bilingual.

>>70440371
>>70440443
I'm going to have to disagree

>>70440431
Factually incorrect. Turkey has less and Austria is absorbed into Germany.

>>70440507
>>70440561
Many of Bolivia's (and many countries') economic problems are related to poor export capacity. Sea access is a huge factor in that, and Chile is obviously sufficient in that regard.

>>70440507
>>70440561
Let the Bolivians progress
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1dUXUMns98

>>70440650
Turks get none. Revive Constantinople.

Looked like Austria when I saw it, it's still ugly.

Pre 1914 borders please, I can like with Austro Hungarians.

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>>70440650
>>70440699
It's not our fault that they can't win 2 (two) wars where they had the numerical superiority.

>>70440650
>Many of Bolivia's (and many countries') economic problems are related to poor export capacity.
Oh yes, the fact that there is a huge mountain between the sea and the rest of bolivia surely will have no consequences.

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ARISE LIGA

>>70440788
Canadians and Americans managed to traverse higher mountains over greater distances 100 years ago, so I think it's possible.

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Brazil should look something like pic related. Not trying to be racist, but I think it'd be better if instead of a huge country, Brazil was divided into smaller countries (it'd be easier to administrate).
Each color is a new country.
If any Brazilians think differently, please help me out.

>No Chilean pacific empire
Disappointed familia

>>70440868
Dark cyan shouldn't exist. Divide Goiás and Minas between blue and yellow, and then the others should go with yellow.

>>70440903
Wouldn't it be too much land for the North East to handle?

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>>70440650
They have privileged access to our ports

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>>70440943
I don't think so.

But in case you want to divide it further, Bahia should go with leftover Minas Gerais and the other SE States, it makes more sense than going with NE "proper".

I'm also slightly annoyed with PA and MA going to different countries... Pará doesn't quite fit the North, Maranhão doesn't quite fit Northeast, but both fit quite well together. Dumping TO with them because why not.

>>70441011
Why is the south of RS alone?

>>70441064
It resembles far more Uruguay than the rest of Rio Grande do Sul.

>>70440868
I think that is too many different countries. If redrawn, I think that the two (North, Northeast, Central-West & South, Southeast) or three (North, Northeast & Central-West, Southeast & South) would be sufficient.

>>70441055
That is actually pretty good, mate.

>>70440507
>>70440561
>>70440753
>>70441013
I didn't know that I would trigger so many Chileans with a simple proposal that most development scholars think would greatly help Bolivia while barely affecting Chile. I tore up my own country (which I so love) for the greater good, why can't you accept a small sacrifice in kind?

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>>70441097
If you want to minimize divisions, a three-way partition like this (check red lines) would work. I based it on the dialects.

>>70441097
That'd be too much land for each country. The goal here is to make smaller ones so it would be easier for their respective governments to govern them.
Also, it would be bad to put all the poor places of the country in one big place with few resources for them to survive.

>>70441164
Because they don't deserve it

>>70441175
Not bad, but the northwest would seem to form a much smaller and less economically developed country. Also political borders are probably better to base on rather than dialectical (it's not as if they are so different as to warrant separate countries)

>>70441245
Why not? If based on military history, then redrawing ANY borders anywhere would seem to be a purposeless task. If based on state success, I would argue that they have clearly been hindered by being landlocked. What else?

>>70441262
This was only dialect-based. Politics-wise, the first obvious change would be separating us Southerners from São Paulo... don't get me wrong, SP is nice and all, but both in the same federation wouldn't quite work.

Then maybe give the North (Northwest) a bit more power? Maybe give them Maranhão (MA) plus leftover Tocantins (TO) and Goiás (GO). I think this should be enough to make it stronger.

>>70441414
>but both in the same federation wouldn't quite work.
Why not? Not gonna swear at you for answering this, I'm just curious.

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>>70441466
Balance of powers - the South as a whole has something like 27M inhabitants; São Paulo alone has 44M.

So, in a bicameral government, you'd have Southerners pressing for more senate power (because it's based on provinces/States) while Paulistas pressing for more parliament power (because it's based on raw numbers).

Also, I think São Paulo would work better with a more centralized, France-like government, while we'd work better with a Switzerland-like clusterfuck.

>>70441164
>>70441332
They have sea access with free ports we provide for them. Educate yourself.

>>70441522
more ugly people on the planet

>>70441561
I realize that, but there is a difference between port access guaranteed by no more than a treaty, and jurisdiction over the ports, including writing regulations, extracting taxes, and developing physical and human capital along the trade corridor.

>>70441695
Their ancestors should have thought about it before declaring war to mine

>>70441770
So again, you argument is based on military control, which would negate the entire exercise of re-imagining boundaries, and would imply that North Korea, Turkish Cyprus, or Andorra should exist simply because it currently does. It's a valid argument, but it is entirely irrelevant to this debate.

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Update #2

Does anyone have any commentary on Africa or Asia in this map?

>>70441955
You could merge Morocco, leftover Algiers, Tunis and Libya as "Maghreb".

>>70439655
why isn't Inner Mongolia part of Mongolia you fucking normie

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>New Zealand not cut off map
th-thanks guys

>>70442020
I think that the Algerian and Moroccan polities are distinct and self sufficient enough to remain intact, but perhaps that would be a good idea in the two smaller easterly countries of the Maghreb (Tunisia & Morocco)

>>70442141 Because Han Chinese are the ethnic supermajority in virtually every province of Inner Mongolia
.

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>>70440699
What's your fetish with Bolivia you leaf-cuck?

>>70442159
You're welcome, but I'm not sure yet whether you should become Australians. What are your thoughts?

>>70442343
No fetish in particular, I just think that they and Paraguay are both failed states, and that the two together, combined with some coastal territory, would have a better shot at success.

>>70441865
Well your mistake is to assume that there's a debate. You are the one that likes to play with maps, and therefor you are the one that needs to justify your creation. Don't blame us for liking the state of things and actually defending it; we don't have the burden of proof.

However, you also assume that the region that used to be bolivian is only chilean because of military control or superiority, completely underestimating the social factor. The people living there does not want to be bolivian, even though they have more cultural ties with them that they have with us. So in your exercise of picturing different boundaries, you are creating -at least in our case- a huge social problem that will probably end up with a civil war, if you consider the fact that bolivians like to burn people alive when they don't like them for whatever reason.

>>70442351
It doesn't seem fair to Australians to flood them with chinks and maoris, but we're doing that anyway since any Nz citizen has free travel into aus

>>70442405
>Bolivia
>Has oil, gas, shitloads of minerals, beautiful touristic spots, twice as many population, chileans and peruvians let them use their ports, etc

>Paraguay has literally a couple million cows and that's it

And yet we're still richer than them for fucks sake.

>>70442343
>Paraguayan Formosa
It makes sense.
>Chaco, Misiones
Eh, why not.
>Corrientes
You're going a bit too far.
>Santa Fé, Entre Rios
NO, PARAGUAY, YOU CANNOT HAVE SEA ACCESS! DAMN!
Also, a sopa isn't supposed to be solid.

>>70442405
FYI our goverment gave a free port to Paraguay aswell, something nobody in Chile resented, you'd be surprised but the average chilean wants the rest of southamerican countries to succeed.

>>70442478
Northern Santa Fe it's pretty much empty, that's why i kept Rosario out of the equation. And i gotta admit Entre Ríos is a bit of a stretch, but why the fuck not?

>>70440443
>those names
Top kek

>>70442523
Even if you didn't include Rosario, you still included Santa Fé city and Paraná city. Those have zero to do with Paraguay, they don't even speak Guarani.

On the other hand, you could blob PY a bit more into Mato Grosso do Sul, at least the southern half.

>>70439655
nice

>>70442623
Id rather annex parts of Argentina rather than Brazil.
Or maybe Argentina annexing Paraguay would be cool

>>70442343
>Not taking land from the (traitors) Uruguay, instead, taking it from the Argies
Explain this, compatriota

>>70439655
>>70440204
>>70440371
>>70441955
>>70442343
Fucking horrible.

>>70442438
The question is "what territorial configurations would be best for the world?"

I argue that having sovereign access to the sea is important for national development (which is a common fact in development studies, but perhaps I should not have assumed you would be familiar with the literature), and so Bolivia would greatly benefit from acquiring coast line, while Chile (with ample coastline already) would lose less than Bolivia benefits. Therefore, that arrangement would provide the most good.

This is a hypothesis supported by an argument (and not unsubstantiated), and thus the burden of proof (even if this proof is poor) is fulfilled and will remain fulfilled unless this argument is proven faulty.

You then argue that they don't deserve it because they lost it in a war (which doesn't address my premise of finding the ideal territorial configuration) and that they already have access to the coast (but this not being sovereign territory, does not provide the same benefits). These might support the argument that Chile should not or would not hand over this territory, but it does not adequately undermine my previous argument, so it stands as a plausible contention.

That is how argumentation works.

Your point about self-determination is a much stronger one, and it shapes my map in much of the rest of the world. But the culture of Hispanic* America is, compared to the rest of the world, fairly homogeneous, and as such most Hispanics could get along in a country with most other Hispanics, so long as socialized to the national identity. The people in this region were at one time Bolivians, and have been socialized to Chilean culture, but they could be re-socialized to Bolivian culture in a way that the Flemish could never be socialized to Belgian culture without losing their ethnic identity.

>>70442476
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resource_curse

>>70439655
Template?

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>>70442999
Good Idea. I made too many modifications.

>>70442998
>Rich oil cunts from the Middle East
>Brazilians
>Americans(USA)
>Israel

>>70443138
The idea isn't that resource rich countries can't become successful, but that it hinders the growth of adequate institutions and deincentivises development. The countries you listed largely already developed good institutions before the resources were discovered or at least became relevant to the export market. Brazil, I would argue, continues to reflect today the consequences of their less-than-adequate institutions.

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>>70439655
there, I fixed Europe

won't even bother with the rest

>>70443233
I don't like you Europe, but your Middle East is even worse.

>>70443289
t. Sunni

>>70442980
>But the culture of Hispanic* America is, compared to the rest of the world, fairly homogeneous
>The people in this region were at one time Bolivians, and have been socialized to Chilean culture
No m8. The fact that we have a common language does not makes us homogeneous. And the fact that the people living in what used to be bolivian territory does not mean that they have been socialized to our culture. They are completely different from us. They eat different things, dance different things and there's a long list of other things that makes them different from us. But as a nation different from us, they prefer to be under our flag. Latin America is a complex creature and you're underestimating the nation factor.

And having sovereign access to the sea doesn't mean much. There's Somalia for you, and there's Bolivia for you aswell to consider. A land rich in minerals that they can not administer because they are divided precisely because within what we call Bolivia there's a bunch of nations with no sense of unity, something that we manage to provide for the ones living in the north, aswell as for the other nations living under our flag with the exception of the Mapuche people.

>>70443363
Not completely homogeneous, surely, but less divergent and easier to adapt to than two completely culturally separate groups who coexist for other more practical reasons (For one example, The many indigenous peoples of Russia).

And you are simply wrong if you do not believe that a coastline matters. Anyone who studies development, economics, or human geography will tell you otherwise. Here s one example of many: http://www.earth.columbia.edu/sitefiles/file/about/director/documents/SCIAM032001_000.pdf

>>70443348
That is a recipe for apocalypse, man

>>70443492
>http://www.earth.columbia.edu/sitefiles/file/about/director/documents/SCIAM032001_000.pdf
Noice. But what's your point exactly? Bolivia does have sea access through a free port (free in the wide sense of the word, we pay for everything), so the no port increases costs argument is null. As for the disease argument, how is sea access going to make someone living in Cochabamba healthier? As for the agricultural argument, how's sea access going to make Bolivia's pasture land more fertile? I'm sorry but it seems that the article you cited (interesting and I thank you for sharing it), does not help your case at all. It's not like we built a wall that affects the winds or stops moisture to get into Bolivia. Landlocked Bolivia triggers you, which I can understand because after all we are discussing this here. But the cost is not a factor. They only need to get their things to the port, which is something they would still need to do even if they had a sovereign right in our land.

>>70443703
As it lacks sovereignty over the corridor, it subject to the whims of the Chilean govt. It cannot invest in infrastructure to improve transportation or logistical networks at ports. It does not benefit from any forward and backward linkages that could arise from trade. It cannot set regulations for trade in the port, and cannot benefit from taxation of commerce in the port. Perhaps most importantly, it cannot cultivate the area as a population centre, based around commerce, and as such lacks a central (logical) focus point for labour migration and capital investment, resulting in stunted development secondary and tertiary industries that would otherwise benefit from the spatial advantages.

The simple transfer of land and population is largely a zero-sum proposition. But these associated benefits would accrue to Bolivia, without in any way diminishing the capacities of Chile. The result overall is Bolivia would gain more than Chile would lose, and that means that overall the greatest good is being served.

>>70444218
You are just stating assumptions. I stayed and walked with you, and you didn't provide anything to support your Bolivia sea claim. Only a bunch of "if's". Sorry bro, you are expecting Bolivia to build infrastructure on a potential claimed land when they haven't been able to provide their people not even the basics on their undisputed territory? Delusion. Btw, I have nothing agaisnt bolivian people, at all. Are you a bolivian muh heritage? It would be interesting to find out their perspective since they just lurk and never post here.

>>70444218
Except Chile profits a lot with the situation - the linkages are Chilean, the taxes are Chilean, the development is Chilean.

>>70444440
Fuck off missed by one. Your cunt almost got all of south america into civil war. Look what you did to venezuela and argentina It will take decades for them to become competitive again.

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>>70444334
It's been a long time, so I can understand the urge to disengage, but you are flat wrong if you think I am stating assumptions. Forward and backward, state sovereignty, taxation power, an urbanized labour force, and convenient capital investment zones are key to development in any literature you find on the subject.

If the question is "Does Boliva have a claim to a sea corridor," the answer might be no, I lack the expertise ro tell. But the question I asked is "Would giving Bolivia access to the sea through sovereign territory provide the greatest economic good," I supported my position, while you never quite seemed to engage with my position, instead stripping it until it was a straw-man fit to tip over.

>>70444440
Yes, but Chile has other coastal areas in which to direct those linkages and taxable activities (much more important cities and ports in fact), while Bolivia does not.

>>70444505
Listen faggot, I'm defending the point of view that Chile profits with the region, and thus Bolivia wouldn't gain more than Chile would lose - Chilean losses would be the same as Bolivian gains.

And regarding "your country did X": disregard flags for the purpose of discussion, specially 'cause I don't think Brazil should exist at all as a country. (And because I do think the faggot you're mentioning - Peter II - got it easy by just being kicked out instead of being hang like the filthy criminal genocide it was.)

>>70444636
If Bolivia gets sea access, they won't use any of those other coastal areas for trade, but only the one given to them. So Chilean losses are more than they look like - they actually profit not only because of the region but because Bolivia has no sea access.

>>70444440
>>70444636
...so Bolivia entirely misses out on these opportunities, while Chile only slightly misses out on getting the maximal efficiency from these opportunities. Again, the population and land is zero-sum, but these developmental opportunities provided by coastal territory is not.

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>>70444686
Yes, Chile would lose (for example) tax revenue from existing economic activity in proportion to Bolivian gain, but lowering developmental barriers (as well as the costs of economic activity in general) would increase growth overall. More Simply, Bolivians would use the territory for less marginal purposes than Chile, That's basic macroeconomics.

>>70442473
>>70442351
>>70442159
they rely on Australia being with them they are basically a state. we have pretty much free trade and they can just come over when ever they want its pretty much the only thing about your map that annoys me.

>>70444592
No you haven't supported your position. You quoted an interesting article that didn't help your case. You are assuming that Bolivia is going to build infrastructure around a sovereign port, completely disregarding the fact that they don't even invest in what they currently have. Your whole case is one of "what if's". I know you are not talking about the claim, which is why I stopped talking about it, and I plainly referred to the article you cited, demonstrating you why sea access alone is not a solution. You then moved the goalpost, and tried to argue about a science fiction world in which the bolivian government invests in their people. No bro. It's not lack of attention span, it's just the fact that you just need to understand the latinamerican reality, which is confusing even for us so I wouldn't expect someone from Canada to understand it. You are completely disregarding the will. You assume that if you give a bolivian a cow he would milk it to feed his family the whole year. You are wrong bro. They have different priorities and I say this with the most respect for the bolivian people. They have other interests. So don't tell me I didn't empathized with your position because even though you change the subject from sea access to investment, I demonstrated you all along that it's not happening in real life.

>>70444835
You're missing something.

Regardless of sovereignty, Bolivians already use the territory - again, Chile gives them free access to the ports, and Chilean investments on the region already consider it's used not only by Chileans but also by Bolivians. The only difference would be who gets the tax money, if Chilean gov or Bolivian gov.

Regarding development, it's almost like you think Bolivians can pop development out of thin air... they can't. And as >>70444876 said, they're unable their current territory. Ironically Chile has a better chance to do so due to both a stronger economy and a smaller territory.

A similar situation happens with Paraguay using the Río de la Plata estuary.

>>70445051
>they're unable their current territory
*they're unable to develop even their own current territory

>>70444876
>completely disregarding the fact that they don't even invest in what they currently have
>a science fiction world in which the bolivian government invests in their people
Yes, Bolivia has no roads or public utilities anywhere.
>he would milk it to feed his family...ou are wrong bro. They have different priorities
Yes, Bolivians do not like food or drink. They prioritize oragami.
> It's not lack of attention span... So don't tell me I didn't empathized with your position
I feel like you are taking my argument as a personal attack, and it isn't.
>you change the subject from sea access to investment
The point is still sea access; however sea access has very different results in different contexts. As you said yourself:
>sea access alone is not a solution
Bolivia won't magically turn into Sweden with coastal territory, they won't even turn into Chile - but the fact is that development literature is almost without dissent on the importance of coastal territory, and the associated effects that it has, of which I have mentioned.

I am getting tired of this argument which has seemed one sided to me from the start, but I m also just tired from a long day. I hate this ad vericundium appeal, but I have been studying this material academically for years and the arguments I made (Here: >>70444218) are quite strong and backed up by significant literature (Sachs, Diamond, and Singer among others), while yours (e.g. Bolivians aren't interested in development) are prejudicial and unsubstantiated. I mean that descriptively.

You are evidently knowlegable and reasonable, and I wish we could communicate through a better medium to bridge our divide, but I am pesimistic about our ability to resolve our impasse in the circumstances.

This map was meant to be an exercise in reconciling the competing notions of territorial arrangement, and you certainly helped me clarify my own opinions on the subject, so thank you and please continue to to participate constructively.

>>70445594
We are both tired. Keep on making this threador bringing this subject up because I seriously enjoyed talking with you. I think I'll recognize you and I'm legit interested in your point of view. And don't fool yourself, Bolivia is swimming on lithium. That's Norway tier.

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>>70439655
a couple small requests.

>>70446041
nz with aus
also na would not be their own country the south (not cali) would say no and form their own state

>>70446322
I was thinking about putting you guys together too

and yeah, as long as we get to be with the northeast and midwest I'm happy, the confederate states can go do their own thing

>>70446410
>northeast and midwest
i cant see why they wouldn't but i feel strongly that the confeds would make their own state.

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OP is a faggot, as always...

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>>70439655

>>70446677
To lazy too colour all Canada.

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after ww3

>>70443233
>>70443783
>>70446646
Bucovina is Romanian clay