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I had my finger on the trigger already, where is the title, Argentina?

>>70436608
i fucked up, brazil kun

>southern hemisphere DJT

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anyone know if the right part in 昨 has anything to do with the right part in, say, 作 ?
Or like in 食, 艮 and 衣; all three share those little legs.
I'm surprised that what is painted in the pic aren't radicals.

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help DJT, what does this mean?

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>>70436491
Japanese vocab isn't hard; it's just time consuming. Yes, that includes kanji.

Learning easy things is obviously easier on you, making the process more enjoyable. You make progress and feel good about it and yourself.

Learning harder things is uncomfortable, and you often have to really push yourself to do it. It's fuzzy and indirect and vague. Sometimes it's unclear if you're even making progress despite the immense effort you're putting in, it feels out of proportion and is thus frustrating. Some people react to being wrong by getting angry and annoyed - I would know, as I'm one of them.

However, we only TRULY get better at skills when we are forced to really struggle to get through. Skills that force us to go through this uncomfortable, really pushing it feeling are usually skills that are valuable in the end, as many are unwilling to even attempt to start learning them.

Yes it can seem inconsistent and bullshit, but it's still the easiest path to understanding. Grammar rules were written after the fact, weren't they? Yet, they summarize the patterns you would otherwise spend a LONGASS amount of time trying to absorb via input.

Burying your head in the sand of ONLY learning vocabulary isn't going to make it go away, it's procrastination.

>>70436800
The legs in the first ones are part of the upper body, because you do the left one with a single stroke that starts way above.

飲 and 食 and 良 are related, but those leggies on the last one are probably way further on the kanji tree.

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>>70436994

>>70436994
>Burying your head in the sand of ONLY learning vocabulary isn't going to make it go away, it's procrastination.
HEEEEEY, I call bullshit. I only do flaschards with some listening and occasional production, have read half of Tae Kim when starting out but pretty much forgotten everything.

Still, I'm able to communicate pretty well already, only through Vocabulary grinding and sample sentences. I'm almost done with Core10k and THEN I will unbury my head, finish Tae Kim and start to glue the pieces I've absorbed so far.

>>70437245
>I'm almost done with Core10k
I didn't even know there was a Core10k. I'm at a hundred or less in the 2k
How long have you been studying?

>>70437245
Not doing much production is fine; but try not to make your studies too lopsided in terms of grammar / vocab ratio. Doing too much of either side isn't the greatest, but that post is more to wake up those who've fallen into ankidrone habits.

Really think and ask yourself: are you putting off grammar because you really want to finish vocab, or is it actually procrastination? Only you can answer that.

What I think I hear: ひきしめなおしてあげましょう。
What I think it is: 引き締め直してあげましょう。

Is this right? I assume that means "Let's tighten it back up." which makes some sense in this context but seems a bit strange. I don't know, it just feels wrong like I might be missing something.

>>70437572
I think when I see only that part of sentence, I feel strange a little, too.
Perhaps that is 気を引き締め直す?
In this case, I think it is natural.

>>70437870
I think you're right.
気を引き締め直してあげましょう
"Let's refocus her energy."
That makes perfect sense here. I think they just dropped the 気を and that confused me. ありがとう先輩。

>>70438154
You're welcome. :)

>>70437377
13 months. about 2,5 more to go.
(There's a Core30k, but I don't advise doing it)

>>70437467
Ah, I see! Definitely it's a matter of checking off the "basic vocabulary" thing from the list for me. I can do several Tae Kims a day, it's just I can't juggle Anki and other study with the time I have.

>>70438816
core 3ok? holy shit

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gg

Daily reminder: Finish your reps and do atleast 10 new words. 30+ if possible!

>>70440335
I match with 20, 30 is a bit much and my retention shitters over the next few days because of it.

>>70438816
>Core30k
That's monk in a secluded mountain hut level of autism.

Where's the Austrailian from yesterday who was at 1200 words in 6k?
I'm challenging him to a race, I'm at 1300 today.

Canada annexes Austrailia if I win.

>>70440642
>That's monk in a secluded mountain hut level of autism.
No, this is https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/1199078757

Takes 23 years on a 20 cards per day basis.

>>70439088
Now go with the next step
今何を着ているの?
>Replies with something
ええー
信じられない、証拠出せ

There you go, just helped you out buddy

>>70441160
Your last sentence is nonsense

>>70441240
She understood so w/e. I was trying to ask her what her job was.

>>70441281
Now go with
外人と付き合ったことある?

>>70441341
lol

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>>70441341
>外人と付き合ったことないですね
>付き合ってみたいです
fug I didn't expect this

has anybody ever tackled the JU Dict? I might do it. 100 words a day, know every word in the japanese language in 4 years

>>70441712
Alright now we in
next stop flavortown

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>>70436800

In both 昨・サク and 作・サク, the right radical 乍 acts as the phonetic サク. This is derived from the old Chinese /*[dz]ˤak/ which evolved into /d͡zɑk̚/ in middle Chinese, and finally さく in Japanese. The etymology of 乍 is complicated, some sources state its sowing two pieces of cloth together, but looking at the evolution and use of 乍 I'm not sure about that assertion. 乍 is made up of the lying down 人 person, 丨straight stroke and 二 two/second, so it may have a semantic meaning of not doing something twice/doing something for the first time.

Look at the following:
乍・サク ・though/while/during
昨・サク・yesterday/ previous
作・サク・make/produce
鮓 salted fish
痄・せ・ジャ・ mumps/swelling/sores
詐・せ・lie/deceive
笮・サク・tile support boards (you put them under tiles when roofing)
拃 grope/press

There doesn't seem to be a common thread that links 乍 to all these words except its phonetic usage.

衣・イ・エ is cloth or coverings. It's an ancient kanji showing arms or legs being covered. 艮 evolved from ? and shows an 目 eye and 匕 spoon/change. Its an astrological hanzi which later evolved into 艮 northeast. 艮 and 衣 are not related. Similarly 食 is derived from ? which shows a mouth over a bowl of rice. 食 and 艮 are not related either.

In this case its just a matter of simplification making very different hanzi/kanji look similar. There is no relation between the three of them.

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>girl just said ganbatte <3
>with the little heart

what does it mean???

>>70441790
bahahaha

Soji is a guys name. Time to pull out the old じゃあね?

>>70441910
You know what to do, anon

>>70441911
Why would we stop?

There are no brakes to flavortown.


It's 新作戦タイム let's go

なかなか

Definition 1:Hardly,not at all
Definition 2:Rather,pretty

I'm sorry, what?

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Why are you learning a weeb language when you could be learning Esperanto?

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>>70442313
>no culture
>no entertainment
>no practical use
Tell me more about your pretend language.

>>70442411
There is nothing wrong with unpractical conlangs.
But Esperanto sucks ass, yes.

>このままじゃだめだ!

So I've probably heard this sentence dozens of times and I understand it, but I just realized I have no idea what that じゃ is doing there. To me it seems like it should be で or something instead. Explanation please?

>>70443183
では → じゃ

>>70441910
I got the same but an eggplant emoji

>>70442047
A lot of definitions in EDICT are "negative" definitions in the sense that the word, together with a verb in negative form, takes that meaning

あまり too much
あまりない not many

so the word itself doesn't change and the definition is technically wrong, it's just that the word, negated, takes that meaning

>>70442047
なかなか~ない
Hardly at all, not quite
このパズルはなかなか解けない。

なかなか + adjective/positive verb
pretty, quite
この料理はなかなかうまいじゃないか。

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It will take me 20 days of anki to build up the vocab for episode one of Non Non Biyori.

>>70443245

Ohhhh I really should have figured that out. Thanks

>>70443245
Why did de+ha morph into ja, did old japanese pronounce DE as JE or something?

>>70445195
say it fast

>>70445195
I hear a certain kangaroo coming to tell you.

寝たくない
仕事したくない

日本語をだけ勉強したい

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>>70445249
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1g4olF0YBY9

>>70445291
>日本語をだけ勉強したい
日本語を勉強したいだけ

>>70445303
D and J are in the same place, and if you combine the d and w into one thing it kinda turns into a fricative

>>70445367
ありがとう

その補正が欲しいでした

>>70445303
>>70445443
I agree, if you look at how languages evolve with tons of different dialects and different parts of Japan ruling in different periods, then add 500-1000ish years, it's not impossible.

I tried to Google but I didn't really know what to search.

>>70445443
Feel free to demonstrate, I say it doesn't sit in my mouth in any way possible.

How do I say that the world is very detailed? I posted it on lang-8 and neither people got the sentence corrected right. By detailed I mean that it's polished well and has a lot more details because the game went into a 3D environment before it was 2D. This was my sentence. 世界はとても詳しくて、キャラクターは3Dモデルになりました。

>>70445837
細かい

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>>70436491
ひとりぼっちの○○生活 第3巻 is out~!
Got the jackpot with digital scans.

https://mega.nz/#F!lBx1CLoZ!HG3VQVhSVyl8VLs58wgqCA

>>70445559
Look up what palatalization is, I'm pretty sure this is an example of it.

>>70446138
I speak a bit of Russian, I'm familiar with the concept, but I see no way the phonemes for modern Japanese De and Wa to morph into Ja, even slurring it to an extreme.

If you palatalize your D and make it preeetty hard, it may sound like a shade of J, but then the Wa comes and stops it from happening.

Besides, the J sound has more going on with the teeth.

Something happened along the way with the D sounds or with the J themselves.

>>70446128
Where do you get those, or do you rip them yourself?

>>70446528
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1ym9qGTMNMf

>>70446625
So you have to unvoice your Ds and let the wa do the job... hm... japs are autistic.

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>>70446528
>Where do you get those
楽天。
http://books.rakuten.co.jp/rk/0cf3a53f69343c61b21d42adb743fb43/

I thought that が (for saying "but") was more polite than けど but on lang-8 I sometimes get corrected to say が instead when I'm not using any polite language in my entire post (and they don't correct anything else to be polite either). Are there more rules to choosing between the two?

Would anyone happen to have a scan of 夢の木坂分岐点?

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>>70447059
どう?

>>70447827
が doesn't necessarily have the same potential connotations towards hesitation or reservations towards something if used in a reply which けど can have. が is less relative that けど.
Compare the Notes section of each of the following:
https://djt.neocities.org/bunpou/full_day.html#%E3%8A%A6%E3%81%8C%282%29
https://djt.neocities.org/bunpou/full_day.html#%E3%8A%A6%E3%81%91%E3%82%8C%E3%81%A9%E3%82%82

>>70448189
Would you settle for some of his other works?
新潮社 itself has digital versions available of certain of his works, a couple of examples:
http://www.shinchosha.co.jp/ebook/E010941/
http://www.shinchosha.co.jp/ebook/E011131/
http://www.shinchosha.co.jp/ebook/E011161/
http://www.shinchosha.co.jp/book/117153/

>>70448333
I was hoping I would find 夢の木坂分岐点 somewhere, but this is fine too.
Ill take a look at some of these ,thanks.

>>70448389
>I was hoping I would find 夢の木坂分岐点 somewhere
Yeah, can't find a digital footprint for it, sadly.
Buying physical goods from Japanese online retailers is a bitch even without the whole shipping from half way across the world (for you guys at least).

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>>70448424
Id just buy a copy if that shit wasnt the case

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>>70448515
The samurai don't want foreign gold.

>>70445265

Unfortunately phonology is outside my area of expertise.

>>70450516
Your expertise consists of three keystrokes: Ctrl、c、v。

>>70447059
I see. Then I'll yoroshiku on your onegaishimasu to keep posting these here. Thanks a lot.

Your DJT pic looks cute enough, making the DJT initials bigger would seal the deal.

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>>70450919
>Then I'll yoroshiku on your onegaishimasu to keep posting these here.
It's the main reason I post here, to hopefully attract more anons into reading manga by providing them things I am enjoying which aren't available currently on the high bandwidth piraseas.

>making the DJT initials bigger would seal the deal.
こう?
Here is the paint.net file if you want to muck around with the layers or use a certain aspect of it for anything else:
https://a.uguu.se/mcjdaaJLkKiB_djt.pdn

>this thread wasn't filtered to the top because the subject was fucked up
>thought there was no thread

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black power

>>70445291
>>70445367
Thank you for learning Japanese.

>>70445837
We don't know the meaning of 'The world is very detailed.'.
Perhaps I guess any one of 緻密 精密 繊細 巧妙 is suitable.

俺は作文を書きます、毎日の活動について。
導入文と申し出るおください。

自己紹介をさせてください かな。。

>>70453166
どうぞ

>>70442313
>made up bullshit nobody speaks
might as well learn klingon, faggot

>>70453166
好きです、ありがとうアノンさん

>>70453306
手前生国と発しまするは関東にござんす。
関東と言ってもいささか広うござんす。
九十九里の海で産湯をつかい筑波の山々を遠く眺めて育った生粋の房総っ子にござんす。

no, I just tried to translate a sentence of German post.

>>70453521
:)

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I'll suffer for at least a month before my retention will raise and my reviews will decrease.
I hate myself.

>>70446128
BASED ANON

>>70436491
>no title
Ya blew it.

>>70461264
you can still find the thread though

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>>70436963
be able to (do)
我々は其れが出来る
we can do it
>>70441839
木の小枝を刃物で取り除く象形が「乍」だよ
それから
鮓は鮨と同じく寿司を表し「すし」だ
詐は音読みで「サ」 詐欺 詐害行為

おバカさんやね

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>>70453049
>導入文
なるほどintroductionと言いたかったのね
>>70453528
とりあえず
お控えなすって
くれ

これを抜かすと仁義は切れないぜ

>>70463463
>>70463659
Fuck off.

昨日、友達とお風呂屋さんに行った。
what does the san stand for here?

>>70466175
It's kind of referring to the place as a person or the person behind the counter at such a place in a formal way. I don't know how to describe it, but its common for ~屋さん,
like ケーキ屋さん、ラーメン屋さん、駄菓子屋さん.

>>70466175
the same thing it always means
屋 words are often kind of a combined notion of the store itself and the person running the store. So despite talking about a store it's natural to say things like 八百屋さん

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>Tfw it's already been a month since I've started
Hopefully the next 2 months for the 2k deck will go just as good as the first one

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>>70463463

Thanks for pointing that out, it is correct but there are other considerations.

This anon is referring to the Cangjie input system, which lists 竹 bamboo twigs and 尸 hatchet as components of 乍. Looking at it in its kanji form is certainly convincing because it DOES look like a knife or hatchet cutting off twigs. The oracle bone script also looks like twigs and a pitchfork/implement. It is very convincing and does work with the meaning of 'work', which it is derived from.

All that being said, it is an ancient kanji and its meaning will have changed over time and through different periods. Other sources give different interpretations.


As for yesterday's lesson - I was sick, so I will do a double today.

Adjectival Nouns #20: Used as complements

あの事件は公になりました。・あのじけんはおおやけになりました。・The incident became public.

事件・ジケン・incident is made up of 事・ジ・matter and 件・ケン・affair. 事・こと is an ideogrammic compound of a ⺕ hand writing down what is being 口 said. 件 shows a 人・ひと man and his 牛・うし cow, original meaning being a "unit", but was also used as "document" or "letter", possibly related to transporting documents. In Japanese has come to mean affair or matter as well. Together 事件 has come to mean a specific matter and affair, usually an event or an incident - but can also refer to a scandal or trouble.

公・おおやけ・public has several etymological interpretations. Some sources state it is 八 a deviation from 厶 private/individual, while others think it may be 八 division of 口 resources. One source states the kanji is derived from 瓮 which is an ancient large jar, which were used for the public. Personally, I find thinking of this kanji as 八 distributing to 厶 private citizens serves the 公 public.

あの事件は・that incident (subject)・公になりました。public became

Cont'd.

>>70467084
how many fucking cards are you adding each day?

>>70467967
Most of the time 20, sometimes if i feel good and have more time 40.
I guess i review each card 10-20 times before i press good, or as long as it takes until I can read the kanji + meaning without thinking.

>>70468327
>I guess i review each card 10-20 times before i press good, or as long as it takes until I can read the kanji + meaning without thinking.

Why
Comon just let SRS do its work and go read more instead. It's not like this is the last time you'll see these words

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囚人は自由になりました。・しゅうじんはじゆうになりました。・The prisoner became free.

囚人・シュウジン・prisoner is made up of 囚・シュウ・captured and 人・ジン・person. 囚 is literally a 人 in an 囗 enclosure. 囚人 shows a 囚 captured 人 person or 囚人 prisoner.

囚人は・prisoner (subject)・自由になりました。free became.

手をきれいにしておきなさい。・てをきれいにしておきなさい。・Keep your hands clean.

手・て is a pictograph of a hand.

おく is an auxiliary verb which can be used to do something for the next occasion or keep something in a state.

手を・hands (object)・きれいに・clean・しておきなさい。do keep in that state.

高橋さんの家族はばらばらになってしまった。・たかはしさんおかぞくはばらばらになってしまった。・Mr. Takahashi's family got scattered about.

高橋 - 高 tall 橋 bridge.

家族・カゾク・family is made up of 家・カ・house and 族・ゾク・tribe/family. 家 has been covered previously and shows a roof over a pig/hog. 族 is an ideogrammic compound of 㫃 a flag and an 矢 arrow. 矢 however also has an older Chinese meaning of 'to vow' or 'to swear'. The idea of 家族 is to 矢 swear allegiance to a 㫃 flag or banner, which may be a tribe, clan or family.

ばらばら is an onomatopoeia of scattering or dispersing.

しまう is an auxiliary verb which demonstrates completeness of action.

高橋さんの家族は・Mr. Takahashi's family (subject)・ばらばらになってしまった。dispersed become completely.

That is all for now, I'll add another lesson later today.

>>70436994
>Learning harder things is uncomfortable, and you often have to really push yourself to do it. It's fuzzy and indirect and vague. Sometimes it's unclear if you're even making progress despite the immense effort you're putting in, it feels out of proportion and is thus frustrating.
And this is why I will never learn how to draw.

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>>70468464
I don't want to look up every second Kanji while reading, since I'm only at around ~740 cards in 2k/6k.
I'm also using a deck with common manga and LN vocabulary/kanji besides 2k/6k.
Maybe I'll give reading a shot, when I have 2k and the other deck at 75% or so.

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>learn kanji
>Japs keep correcting me and rewriting my words as hiragana
FUCK YOU, NIPPON, WHY DO THEY DO THAT?

>>70468520
Same here, and I've put at least three time as much time in drawing as I did in learning Japanese. I wish drawing had clear, measurable goals like learning a language. I can easily keep up the grinding once I can grasp the scope of what I'm learning, but doing it by feel kills my willpower.

>no title
NEVER make a thread again

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>>70467255
乍は「造り」としては音符だけど、それ自体が人の「行為」=「作為」という意味を持っている。だから、言+乍で詐(あざむく)の意味となる
>All that being said, it is an ancient kanji and its meaning will have changed over time and through different periods. Other sources give different interpretations.
ちなみに昨は原義は徂 に通じ、行くものということで過去を表す意味に変化した
言葉は時代により変化し、発音も変わる
日本語の漢字の読みが複雑なのは漢・唐・宋で異なる発音と意味が伝わったためで、音読みも「漢音・唐音・呉音・宋音」などに分かれる
逆に中国では使われなくなった意味で用いられる漢字もある

事:神への祈りの言葉を書きつけ、木の枝に結びつけたふだを手にしたことの象形→祭りごとをする人→事務、事業→事柄・政治・出来事

件:「横から見た人の象形」+「角のある牛の象形」→人の牛を区別する→1件・2件・3件と数える単位

事件の原義は「一つのことがら・出来事」ということ
同様の件の使われ方は「物件」=「一つの物」


Good Night

>>70469268
Okay then don't read yet but the point is it's fine if it takes a little bit of thought to remember the words. You're just wasting time seeing them 15 times on the first day.

I'm doing Tae Kim's guide, just starting it. Is there an Anki deck for the Kanji presented? he seems to use a lot of Kanji and I find myself forgetting much of it without much of a way to hammer it in.

I've already started using Anki for other Kanji, but a lot of the Kanji the deck I'm using has thrown at me is completely unrelated to what the guide wants me to learn. While it's useful, and a lot of it has reminded me of the things I've forgotten I would like to learn grammar as I learn Kanji.

TL;DR Is there a deck for his guide/A deck that will quickly show me the characters he uses or atleast most of them.

>>70469776
There should be a tae kim deck in the guide.
If you are using the Tae Kim pdf version stop that right now and start using the website or app.

can you keep up /djt/?
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1TMCETw7E2d

>>70470003
Is that you or a native?

I've got a guttural throat R. What kind of R do they have in sweden?

I tried the Japanese R for ages but i just can't.
I'll just keep the guttural and sound and sound like a yakuza

>>70469970
I'm on the site. I haven't gotten very far. Where can I find the deck? I've been studying Kanji alone for a few days until I can catch up to the guide's practice sheet, so I haven't progressed.

If you're referring to the DJT guide, I c+f'd it and looked for "Tae Kim" and at most I found an Anki deck for after I'm done with Tae Kim, and I think it just covers Grammar.

>>70470003
>>70470509

Just pronounce it as L. Those Rs are too strong.

>>70470710
But it kinda sounds feminine.

>>70470509
It's me. We have a pretty short "tap of the tongue" R, kind of similar to Japanese but more pronounced. We have a very broad range of accents though, southern Sweden has a very guttural R.
>>70470710
Are you the tripfag who posts "lessons" here?
Anyway, my native Japanese teacher has told me I've got pretty good pronounciation, also saying these words fast makes the R harder-sounding.
>>70470743
Don't listen to him. Don't pronounce it as L.

>>70470629
https://djtguide.neocities.org/cor.html
ctrl + f "Tae Kim" should find the deck or https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/424465799

why is the "u" in desu and other words not pronounced sometimes?

>>70470822
>Those Rs are too strong.
This was also my impression.

http://vocaroo.com/i/s07hK9oDr9mb

>>70471071
Same as the American schwa. Welcome to Languages 101.

>>70470743

You can add a small clip or trill to the L to add a more masculine sound.

>>70470822

You have good pronunciation, but your Rs are going to trip you up with りゃ、りゅ、りょ。

>>70471351
>You can add a small clip or trill to the L to add a more masculine sound.
That's the problem, I can't.

>>70471139

Yep, that's it.

>>70470822

The Japanese ら、り、る、れ、ろ inhabits a space between the English L, R, and D sound.

Just position the tongue half-way between L and R, then add a D tongue clip and you got it. Takes some practice for the tongue to get used to the position.

>>70471382

Japanese R doesn't have a trill, but some ways of speaking implement it (yakuza/yankee).

Learning how to trill will improve your ら、り、る、れ、ろ though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9eN2B7Wj68

Force air through your mouth so your tongue flaps.

I would describe it as an "l", but "voiced like an R" if that make. The tongue movement is the same as doing an english L, so it is similarly light.

You can say "lalalalalalalaalalalala" in English without your Ls being hard, so it should be the same feel when doing the Japanese R. If you can't do it appropriately soft, it will be a lot harder to do lots of R sounds in quick succession.

>>70470962
Thank you anon. I guess I was looking in the wrong place.

>>70470003
You seem to be emulating the nasality of Wapanese, but by shifting to your nose you forgot to make sound resonate inside your mouth as well. Gotta do both!

>>70471382
Guttural R as in the French R? That sounds funny. Can you demonstrate your attempts at the actual sound? Maybe I can help since, you know, latinos love those trrrrrrrills.

Japanese can't distinguish L and R sounds. Which means you can use the both, and no one even notices it.

>>70471814
I almost never hear anyone use L. Is it different depending on where you live?

>>70471795
>Can you demonstrate your attempts at the actual sound
Sorry bro i've got no mic.
It's actually kinda weird that I have a guttural R, since most dutch speaking don't.
Though it's not uncommon, especially in the region I live.

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>>70471814
Interesting song demonstrating that:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4voYknZ-_p4

0:00
>kono michi wo susunda naRa
0:30
>kasuka ni mieRu soRa no kakeRa wo oikakete
0:42
>hikaLi to kage wo kokoLo ni egaite hashiRu toki
0:55
>sono waratta kao ga yuki wo KURERU
1:42
>ima wa ne ano itami ga oshieteKULELU

Even the same word gets pronounced differently, it's pretty bananas.

>>70471795
I'm not intentionally emulating anything, what even is Wapanese? Swedish is pretty nasal though, we speak in the front of our mouths.
>>70471814
Hah, get fucking rekt faggots.

>>70472904
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0pzcchOMLv2
But maybe you just have a cold or something.

>>70472355
nice song

>>70472355
That is interesting. To me, the closest to an English L there is probably kokolo... The rest are somewhere between.

>>70472355
More L-like sounds is much more common in songs in my experience.

>>70472904
>Hah, get fucking rekt faggots.
Is your goal to get better at Japanese or just to try to act superior about imperfect Japanese?

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>>70473844
>More L-like sounds is much more common in songs in my experience.
Definitely. Just like を will sound like "wo" (not o) more.
And words like seppuku will have the vowel before the small tsu prolongated, instead of adding the pause. So you'll hear something like SE E PU KU to fit the melody.

The NG sound of G on the other hand permeates both music and actual speech, disputing with the default G sound.

>>70473591
Felt like singing it too and messing with R/Ls. Men shouldn't be allowed to play god like this...
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1UCDfCEnE5x

>>70473537
No... That's what I sound like.
>>70473844
I don't care about your opinion.

>>70474189
>posts to brag
>gets reasonable advice
>SO WHAT I DON'T CARE, IT'S GOOD ENOUGH, SUCK IT
grow up kid

>>70474340
No, you misunderstand, I don't care about YOUR opinion. I do care about Brazil's opinion, and other knowledgeable people (actual Japanese natives like my teacher).

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>>70474431
けー喧嘩は止めて!

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>あなたチビのくせいにやたら つよいじゃない

Not really getting this sentence here.

I think i get the general gist of it, but the i have no idea what the のくせいにやたら part is.

>>70474578
ご目なさい・・・

>>70474340
No one should take the opinions of a brazilian

>>70474431
I'll have you know that Japanese people tell me my nihongo is very jouzu and that my pronunciation is kanpeki, so I am definitely a reliable resource

>>70474618
wow fucked that up too didn't i

>>70474612
http://www.jgram.org/pages/viewOne.php?tagE=kuseni
やたら

>>70474737
Yeah i just noticed I wrote down くせいに instead of くせに
No wonder I couldn't find it.

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>>70474675
>ご目なさい
>wow fucked that up too didn't i
Not really, you just haven't studied Japanese correctly - ETYMOLOGICALLY!

You see, 御免, or ごめん meaning excuse me when written in bones using chopsticks can be shorthanded as 五メン.

If you then write it backwards ンメ五 and turn the ン into the radical 二, it almost looks like こ.

Then you pick the メ and turn it into two vertical lines that encapsulate /五/.
As you can see, if you keep getting those lines closer and closer, you will end up with something that looks like 母.

You then take the 母 small dots and turn them into dakuten for your こ, making it ご.

So far you have ご毋, but without the dots, which would be 毋 without the vertical line, but since it doesn't exist, it gets written like this. You then rotate that vertical line and make it into a 目-looking scribble.

ご目.

Where does the "nasai" comes from, you might be asking, but that's easy once you understand etymology.

You might have noticed the ん from 御免・ごめん has vanished, since ご目 would be read as ごめ.

So they put the ん making it ご目ん but it didn't sit well with grammar. You might know ん is a slurred form of の, and that's exactly what uninformed people thought back then, so they made the construction ご目の浅い pronounced as ごめんあさい, meaning "the shallowness of your eyes".

In other words, not having a deep look at one's fault, overlooking a mistake, thus forgiving this person.

Then, the んあ got combined into な and here you have it, ご目なさい.

If you found this useful, I have some can openers for sale which come with engraved etymological lessons, feel free to buy them and support my continued efforts into making these lessons for you guys.

>>70475562
wew

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>japanese girl posts a ganbatte <3 on my guestbook
>tell my japanese friend a girl posted a heart on my guestbook
>he wants to see
>Show him
>He tells me that's not a heart
>mfw. i ask him how is not a heart
>he tells me japanese people don't see the symbol as a heart, but as a representation of love
>Ask any japanese person they will not think it is a heart
>mfw

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>>70476529
>we see a human heart and not a symbol of love
So they skip the translation from <3 -> heart -> love and only see <3 -> love?
What do they see in <3 that could resemble love?

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>>70476889
アイスクリーム

>>70476889
I think Kanji has brainwashed the japanese into percieving symbols like a heart into language meanings instead of symbolic ones

Apparantly, when you see <3, you're supposed to say ラブ according to him. the picture of a heart appears never in your mind.

>>70476529
The symbol is called ハートマーク so I'm confused how he's saying it's not a heart. Are you translating from Japanese? Did he say 心臓 in Japanese?

>>70476529
>>70477553
I think something is getting lost in translation here.

Are you telling me that when you see <3, you see a bleeding, thumping organ?

>>70477700
here's most of what he said, the beginning got cut off

http://pastebin.com/T2pf4gBT

read from bottom to top

>>70441839
According to 中華大字典 both ?(bottom 㿝, meaning 香) and ? are 食's 本字, and on KangXi ? was not even listed at all. Which source is more accurate though?

>>70477553
<3

looks like a low hanging ballsack

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>>70478143
>Tfw for years I thought it was an ass and people were mocking me when they send that shit
I wish i would have known sooner.

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>>70477948
<3 is a cartoon heart, like in pic related.

Did you not know this? This is a hilarious finding, sasuga America-kun.

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>>70436491
>forgetting the title
see pic

>>70478381
>>70478027
Japanese people didn't know <3 was supposed to be a cartoon heart This whole time

What the fuck japan

>>70478027
Not totally sure what he's trying to say, but I interpret it as: when you write ハート as a heart mark, it is meant as ラブ, rather than the other meanings that ハート might have, such as 心.

Rewrote this because the heart mark got deleted from the post.

最近思い出した、トゥルーブラッドの可愛い吸血鬼の女を投稿してた変なセルビア人はどうしたの、死んだか

>鑑別所
is this where they 罵り me for a fee? how much per hour

>>70475562
What the fuck Brazil, I just didn't tap my N key enough times...

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>>70478116

中華大字典 is one of the most comprehensive Chinese dictionaries.

I'm not familiar with ?, but there is a nuance between 香 and ?. KangXi is not comprehensive, but I wouldn't trust anyone one source.

Best to check both 漢語大字典 and 大漢和辞典 for cross referencing.

For modern Chinese KangXi is fine though, its only when you dig deeper that you need to go through all the other sources.

>>70469970
whats wrong with the pdf?

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>>70475562
進行性の自閉症ってひどい病気だな

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>>70479170
I've had it with your shit, argentina san

Stop motivating me to learn japanese

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>>70479228
W-what did I d-do, USA?

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>>70479311
You're dividing the white race and creating weeaboos. You're under arrest

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>>70478617
The same japanese friend also told me

日本の着物です
これを着ればにも心も日本で
変身できます

Does this mean what I think it means?

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>>70479395
I dindu nuffin!

>>70475562
Wait, Brazil? not Austrailia?

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>>70479521
Y-you changed skin color?

You're a fucking witch. No more posting for you. Vanning you out of DJT for 24 hours

The more I study, the more I hate the Japanese language.
That is all.

>>70480624
why is that?

>>70479440
>身も心も
Probably meant this.

"If you wear a kimono you can transform into Japanese in body and soul." He's being playful (or sarcastic).

>>70481545
little does he know you can't wear a kimono in america

>>70480624
the more i study, the more i love it.

>>70482576
>>70480624
this is irrelevant to me because i haven't watched or read anything in months

Is there someplace where I can view all of the Core2k/6k cards (with definitions) in a table or spreadsheet?

I know Anki has a "Browse" function which kinda does this, but it's pretty clunky.

>>70484556
Export your deck as notes in plain text - then import into any spreadsheet tool as a TSV file. If it doesn't work for some reason, I can find a way to link you my own.

>>70481508
To name a few things

>pressure
You have to do your reps every day and read regulary in order to not forget everything.
I mean even after becoming somewhat fluent you HAVE to keep reading or what you worked so hard for over the last years will go away.

>only progressing slowly
I use most of my free time for learning Japanese and it feels like I'll never be good enough.
For every one thing I learn, I find out there are 2 more things I don't know yet.

>can't easily look words up while reading without a text hooker
I'm very efficient by searching by radicals already but it's still a lot slower than looking up words in other languages.
This stops me from what I want to read cause I can't hook text from it and reading without would take me ages.

I mean don't get me wrong, I didnt expect to be fluent after a year or something, but I expected things to become a lot easier by now, like that you barely have to look up words at this point.
I tried reading a LN recently, not an easy one I suppose but after reading one page I think I already had around 80-100 words mined, damn do I suck.

Learning English was so easy in comparison, I learned the absolute basic grammar and a few words and could read most stuff, I used a physical dictionary back in the day but even that was fast enough to enjoy my first video games in English.
Didn't expect Japanese to be a cakewalk, but hoped it would go smoother.

>>70484656
Hmm, importing it into Excel turned all of the Japanese characters into gibberish.

Could you please upload yours?

>>70484755
I can give you the core 10k if you want - which has more columns and more info. Is that fine, or just the 6k?

>>70484802
Core 2k/6k would be better, since that's the deck I'm doing.

If Core 10k is the same order and material as Core2k/6k, but with more cards at the end, then that'd be fine, too. I don't know how different the two decks are.

>>70484872
The 10k has a slightly different optimized order, so I'll give you the 2k/6k. Give me a few minutes to set it up and upload it.

>>70484872
Export to notes as text and copy|paste that txt doc into excel. Opening it directly with excel may mangle the encoding.

>>70484961
Thank you! I appreciate it.

>>70484872
I exported to xlsx - this was the easiest sharing site I found: http://wikisend.com/download/419864/6k.zip It seems to be valid - I can open it in both Google Sheets and OSX Numbers, though I don't have real excel to test.

Two small changes from the natural deck arrangement - the index is moved to the first column (for easy importing), and there's an extra last column "hint" which says "needs hint" if the vocab column is a duplicate of some other card in the deck. Neither should matter for searching purposes though.

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>>70484672
I don't feel the pressure, as I doubt ill stop reading anytime soon
i also feel the slow progression, but if i remind myself i started at the same time as a japanese baby, i can already read while that baby can only shit himself and fufufu

the painful word lookup i can sympathize with, especially scans where you need to rely on shitty OCR
if you bit off more than you could chew with a new LN, that just shows you shouldn't take this lightly and just keep on truckin

>>70484556
https://core6000.neocities.org/

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>>70485099
>that surprise JPEG

Oh, you. Thanks for the upload.

>>70485208
This is excellent as well. Thank you.

need a pronounce check on 可憐
rikai guy is throwing me off a little with what sounds like かへん

>>70485391
ke3 lian2

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>>70441839
Thank you!
I forget that there can always be a phonetic connection going around, without there necessarily being any apparent semantic one.
Sewing my few japanese ideas via etymology is fun and I think it pays off. But also it feels like I'm getting ahead of myself in vain. It's overall time consuming; I'm doing 5 cards a day and it takes me quite a while. This is stressing me desu. Not sure how i'll cope with the schedule when all my other activities roll in now later in the year.

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>>70485391
か.れん
デス

>>70485664
cheers bigears

このスレッドの外人は気持ち悪い。誰も望んでないのに日本語を学んでる。どうせアニメと漫画を見るためなんだろう?その労力を他に回せばいいのに。ほんと無駄だよね。

>>70486456
何言ってんだよ
外人のくせに

そのアニメと漫画もどうせインターネットで違法にダウンロードした動画なんだろ?1円も払わない癖に、偉そうに講釈垂れやがって。お前らなんて全員死んだらいいのに。

>>70486496
うるせーよ。本当のこと、言っただけだ馬鹿。

>>70486456
アニメや漫画目的だったら/jp/にいるはずだけど?

>>70486517
何いってんの
どうせお前らもテレビでアニメを見るんじゃねーか?
何も変わらないじゃない

>>70486598
もともと/a/から来た奴らが何言ってんだよw

>>70486615
ごめん、こういう荒らし見すぎて付き合う気になれんわ

>>70486655
お前らは荒らしっていうけど、これは日本のアニメ業界の本意だからな?何にも日本のアニメ産業に貢献ないのに、一人前に意見を垂れてる見苦しい奴らだよ、お前らは。

>>70486456
>>70486517
串厨

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>>70486517
そうだよ 1円も払ってない
しかもある電子書店をハッキングして何万冊の書籍をただでダウンロードしてる
それをまた色んなとこにアップしてアフィで大儲け

>>70486704
どうでもいい

もちろん俺のアフィリンクをクリックしてくれるの殆どお前ら日本人

>>70486456
t. 外人

>>70486705
>>70486783
>>70486798
>>70486812

お前らの日本語は通じるし、日常生活でも十分に通用すると思うよ。よくもまぁ、一生に一度しかない貴重な人生の時間を日本語学習に投資したと思うよ。だからこそ、お前らみたいな存在が気持ち悪い。本当に日本に来ないでほしいし、アニメを含む日本文化に興味を持たないでほしい。西洋人は本当に大嫌い。

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>>70486960
>本当に日本に来ないでほしいし、アニメを含む日本文化に興味を持たないでほしい
日本に行く予定はないので安心して
後者は無理だけど

>>70486960
またごめん
9月から日本に引っ越して日本の女性やりまくり

>>70487156
もちろん問答無用で
西洋人なら逮捕出来ないから

>>70486655
ignore him.
no one doesn't care about that.

I understand this thread is made for the people who make a tool for learning Japanese.
That is similar to one of open source project.
The open source project is license free, but that created a basis of system of world wide web and we came to able to talk each other.

>>70487475
What made you to decide to post such the terrible English here?

>>70486960
What made you to decide to post such the terrible Japanese here?

If real Japanese, he is bad at English.
The person who is good at English is not Japanese.

>>70487673
開き直ってんじゃねーよ馬鹿がw

>>70486456
I want everyone to know there is one Jp poster(probably zainichi?)who is pretending netuyo and also pretending zainichi at the same time and
Showing as like they are
fighting each other badly and shity.
And say anything to make bad image on japan.
and destroying thread every day to make japan look bad.
He is already admit it already.

>>70486517
He is well known spammer desu.
Pls report and ignore

>>70487709
bilingual, you can't pronounce ラ行 lol

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>>70487579
>>70487475

Don't be a dick. It's actually really good English.

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>>70487729
>And say anything to make bad image on japan.
>and destroying thread every day to make japan look bad.

its ok we all know the real strength of japan

>>70487952
Really? or joke?
Thank you very much. if it is true, I'm happy.

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>>70488003

It's perfectly understandable, but there are a few English words you can include to make it sound better.

> I understand (that) this thread is made for the people who (want to) (make -> create) a tool for learning Japanese.
> (That -> This) is similar to (one of -> an) open source project.
> (The -> An) open source project is license free, but that (created -> creates) a basis of (a) system of (a) world wide web and (we came to -> that allows us to be) able to talk each other.

Articles are the most difficult thing for Japanese speakers to grasp. 'The' and 'a/an' are akin to この、その、あの and は・が.

Just remember that in English you need to explicitly define singular, plural and target objects.

The house, a car, an assault, and so on.

>>70488150 meant for >>70488005.

>>70488150
>>70488164
Thank you for teaching me!
Your explanations are kind and easy to understand for me.
I'll learn that, and I'm going to correct my English.
That is very interesting.

>>70474612
You are very strong in spite of a shorty.
in spite of のくせに
very やたら

>>70488883
英語話せないくせに

>>70485607
5 cards a day is nothing. step it up

>>70489001
ai kyan supiiku ingurisshu berii weru!

you all have to listen to me because i can teach you how to do english easlier

>>70489374

*more easily

>>70489116
Havent done new cards in months,
after I hit the 9k mark I just stopped, have 3.5k new just sitting there and no will to do them
Kill me

How do you say something like "stopped to [verb]"? Does this make sense?

>彼は水を飲むのに止めた。
>He stopped to drink water

I don't think it's right. I know I can write it as a verb sequence like 彼は止めて、水を飲んだ。 but that's not exactly what I want to say.

>>70490584

彼は水を飲むために止まった。・He stopped for the purpose of drinking water.

You can use ために for this.

>>70491340
>>70490584

To elaborate further, 'He stopped to drink water' is a sub-clause within a clause.

The sentence has two parts. He stopped 彼は止まった。and drank water 水をのむ。

ために is loosely translated 'as a result of/for the sake of' and you can throw it onto an action.

水をのむために - for the sake of drinking water.

Just throw it in after the は and before the verb and you will be sweet.

>>70490584
Check out the Notes for the below concept entry. It will give you a few different options.
https://djt.neocities.org/bunpou/full_day.html#%E3%8A%A6%E7%82%BA%28%E3%81%AB%29%E3%83%BB%E3%81%9F%E3%82%81%28%E3%81%AB%29

hey do you guys practice handwriting?
if so, do you use pen or pencil?

>>70491613
Ballpoint pen.
These ones, usually:
http://www.kmart.com.au/product/papermate-inkjoy100-pens---pack-of-10/568837
They tend to involve less ink blots than the cheaper ones but are still relatively good value.

>>70491696
thank you! i do prefer ballpoint myself but have been practicing with mechanical pencils for a bit now
do you know what japanese natives use mostly?

>>70491720
>do you know what japanese natives use mostly?
Whatever is lying around. Ballpoint pens are pretty much universally used by anyone who writes anything in the modern world.
School kids have シャーペン that are popular but school isn't exactly an average place where adults will be writing things by hand.

>>70491792
ah i see
it's been so long since i've written anything by hand, i'm awful at it
i didn't even have nice looking handwriting with latin letters, so this is pretty tough for me

>>70491613
I use pencil, just a regular mechanical one.

>fell asleep while doing reps
>now have 500 cards waiting for me

nooooooooo

>>70492737
you can sleep through a lot of things in life, graduation, your firstborn, your parents funeral(s)

but not your god damm reps

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I realized that when studying grammar, having an anki card with Japanese sentence -> English sentence doesn't work because you associate the sentence itself with the meaning after one or two reps rather than focusing on the grammar itself

Now I'm doing grammar chart -> english meaning (with example sentence only shown afterwards)

But rendering a chart for ~300 grammar files is taking a while on my old machine (using LaTeX)

How about you guys? Do you make cards for grammar?

>>70493536
No I would never waste that much time. Just use the DoJG deck in the CoR or like, just read

>>70493643
Maybe I'm not reading the right stuff, but I don't know how I'd keep track of N1 level grammar points unless I'm actively studying them. They definitely don't come up in conversation with friends/co-workers very often.

>>70493686
>don't come up in conversation with friends/co-workers very often.
start pretending to be a king and send them really terse letters
and never explain yourself

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>>70493536
Here's an example of one of the cards. At first just the grammar construct itself shows up and I have to derive a meaning/come up with an example for it. Then comes the rest.

Before, it would show the Japanese sentence first. Hopefully this will be more useful.

Been there. Sometimes I wake up and there is still 30 minutes to go or something, then I rush through and somehow my retention goes up that day, adrenaline is the best remembering aid!

>>70494374
Meant to quote >>70492737

>>70494065
You're really better off using the DoJG deck as a base and modifying it, save you a hell of a lot of time.

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>>70494605
I think the obstacle is the path lad.
If I sit down with kanzen master and write a grammar file for every single item with an explanation in my own language, I synthesize that knowledge more thoroughly.

It's quite similar to the way mined cards are always easier to remember than vocab pulled from a pre-compiled deck. Context, even when irrelevant, is remarkable mental glue.

>>70495135
>If I sit down with kanzen master and write a grammar file for every single item with an explanation in my own language, I synthesize that knowledge more thoroughly.
Then who are you trying to convince?

>>70495259
I just asked if anybody else makes grammar cards. I'm specifically interested in any sort of fancy typesetting or textbook-like flowcharts for constructs.

>>70495135
At this point I think just reading a lot would be a better use of time.

>>70495363
>I'm specifically interested in any sort of fancy typesetting or textbook-like flowcharts for constructs.
That's why two people responded with recommending the DoJG deck.
Other than that, you maybe interested in sentence diagrams. Here is a deck which utilises such:
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/242060646
Some more detail on the concept:
http://www.cjvlang.com/Spicks/udjapanese.html

>>70484672
how long are you into learning japanese? I'm just a couple of months before I'll be able to read very simple manga somewhat fluently. When I was at that point with learning english, learning the rest became a piece of cake. why is japanese so different?

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>>70436491
Couldn't find the latest volume of Acchi Kocchi and so decided to grab it from 楽天。There is something satisfying, relaxing and heart warming about cute girls. If you haven't watched the animated adaptation, read the manga. If you have watched the anime, read the manga. If you are reading something at the moment, put this on your reading list. If you aren't reading something at the moment, read this.

あっちこっち 第1~6巻:
https://mega.nz/#F!lZBT1QpT!Njw2M7z6bWFc5bxQnXUeBQ

御庭つみき=超かわいい→かわいい=正義

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Adjectival Nouns #21: Advanced Adjectival Nouns

Revision from last sections:

Adverbs:

この写真はきれいに取れていませ。

自由に決めて下さい。

妻はいつも靴をピカピカに磨いてくれます。

Complements:

彼は私たちに親切にしてくれました。

彼女はとてもきれいになりました。

あの事件は公になりました。

囚人は自由になりました。

てをきれいにしておきなさい。

高橋さんの家族はばらばらになってしまった。

Advanced Adjectival Nouns:

彼は堂々たる勝利に私たちを導いた。・かれはどうどうたるしょうりにわたしたちをみちびいた。・He lead us to a splendid victory.

堂々・ドウドウ・magnificent is made up of 堂・ドウ・hall and 々 the repetition kanji. 々 is used to repeat the kanji before it, so 堂々 is actually 堂堂. 堂 is a phono-semantic compound of 尚・ショウ・esteem and 土・ド・soil, 堂 shows a 尚 fancy hall lined with 土 expensive clay pots. It is repeated for emphasis.

たる is an descriptive verb that increases emphasis on the word preceding it. It's an outdated form and only works on some words. For example 堂々・magnificent -> 堂々たる・majestic. It basically upgrades the level of words.

勝利・ショウリ・victory is made up of 勝・ショウ・victory and 利・リ・profit/advantage. 勝 is a phono-semantic compound made up of 朕・チン・imperial we/majestic plural, which we also encountered in 藤・トウ・wisteria previously, and 力・リョク・power. It shows 朕 imperial 力 power. 利 has been encountered in a previous lesson. Together 勝利 not only shows victory, but an advantageous victory or triumph.

導く・みちびく・guide/lead is a phono-semantic compound of 道・みち・path and 寸 hand holding the wrist. The kanji shows someone taking somebody else by the 寸 hand/wrist and leading them down a 道 path.

Cont

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私 has been covered previously.

彼は・he (subject)・堂々たる勝利に・to a splendid victory・私たちを導いた。us lead.

You can put the 私たちを behind 彼は, just as long as 導いた stays on the end. Just remember to keep your sub-clauses attached to the particles and it really doesn't matter how you arrange it, though the verb needs to be on the end of the clause (or sub-clause).

ジムさんは歴然たる事実を明らかにした。・じむさんはれきぜんたるじじつをあきらかにした。・Jim exposed an obvious fact.

歴然・レキゼン・plain/evident is made up of 歴・レキ・curriculum/continuation and 然・ゼン・in that case/well/so. 歴 is a variant of 歷 which is a phono-semantic compound of 厤・レキ・calculate and 止・シ・stop. 歷 shows plant stalks (bamboo) beneath a cliff and having stopped, the meaning is take place, past or history. It has two different meanings, one is rendezvous. The ancient Chinese loved meeting in bamboo forests because it provided good cover for secret dealings or romantic affairs. The other is the past or history, the interesting thing about bamboo forests is they don't age like other trees. There is a sense of agelessness among the bamboo, hence why this kanji also became used with meanings of the past or history and the 止 is a reference to time being stopped. 然 is a phono-semantic compound of 肰 dog meat and 火 fire and shows dog meat being prepared in a special way under a fire. In Chinese this kanji meant 'in this manner' or do it this way, but it evolved to mean 'in that case' or 'like that'. Together 歴然 the past being played out in a certain manner, which is 歴然 plain for everyone to see. Has related meanings of distinct and clear.

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明・メイ・bright/light shows the 日 sun and the 月 moon, giving a sense of light or brightness. In the sentence the expression 明らかにした is used, which translated to English would be 'bringing something to light'.

ジムさんは・Jim (subject)・歴然たる事実を・obvious (clear as day) fact・ 明らかにした・bring to light.

As you can see, たる can create very nuanced sentences that give a great deal of eloquence to your Japanese. If you can pull these off in a conversation, native Japanese will marvel at your command of their language.

Be careful though, mixing and matching expressions may lead to mixed (and hilarious) results.

That is all for today. Tune in tomorrow for another lesson.

Is there a way to filter Australians in general?

>>70500317
I don't know, I think it's a good thing that people get pissed off at that faggot and antagonise him. If we just ignored him then beginners might start thinking he's authoritative or something.

When I try to read HanahiraI get this message when I load a save/start a new game
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はなひらっ!
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予期せぬエラーが発生しました。
エラーログを出力しました。
C:\Users\Aysha\Documents\VNs\(同人ソフト) [ふぐり屋] はなひらっ! DL版\はなひらっ!\NSLog.txt
I think it says that there it made an error log and told me where to find it but what do I do?

>>70500317
With 4chanX add "/australia/i" to your flags filter

>>70501173
The obvious one is check that you have your system locale set to Japanese. Other than that, you could try reading something else, maybe even something that's actually good.

見ないうち


why does this translate to "since i last saw you"?

"not see between"?

>>70502078
My locale is set to Japanese. If I can't find a solution I'll read something else but Hanahira isn't that bad.

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>>70502171
It works the same as の間に
But sometimes they use 中 or 内

>>70502473
ah thanks! so if I were to translate it literally, it would go somewhat like "while(timeframe) I didn't see you"?

>>70501916
Thank you.

I'm learning radicals but one thing that is kind of confusing me is how important are the names of the radicals? Does it matter that I know what it's called, or does it matter more I know the stroke order and what it means.

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>>70502833
Do you have the "Dictionary of Basic Japanese Grammar"?
If not, it's all explained there. There is a download link in the OP.

うち (内) means "inside". But it does not just work with physical positions in space, but can refer to time as well.

I tried doing listening practice with anime but I found that my grammar and vocabulary were too weak to understand what they were saying 80% of the time.

So my question is how should I approach listening practice at an such a low level?

>>70503345
Start out with both something simple and with Japanese subtitles. Difficulty varies a lot between shows, so make sure you pick something simple when you're starting out.

>>70503202
No, the name don't really matter for the most part, and you can make up your own names for the ones you find difficult to remember. Going through the radicals is mostly for getting used to the shapes, so don't stress about them or spend too much time on them.

>>70503202
Radicals aren't important at all.
more often than not they have no relation to the meaning or pronunciation of kanji.

However, they can be used to help you distinguish kanji you keep getting mixed up.
It's easier to remember kanji by "it's made out of radicals X, Y and Z" than "it's made up of squiggly lines and scratches like this"

Some kanji studying methods who use radicals even create entirely new meanings for radicals, different from their traditional meanings. Because it's not important at all.


So don't spend to much time on them since they're not that important. You could probably make up your own meanings if it help you remembering kanji

うち and そと are a basis concept of Japanese.
しないそとに can not be used, tho

>>70503688
>>70503632

Thanks! I learned a set of them and I was spending time remembering the name. I didn't want to continue learning them until I got an answer to that.
I would like to know Radicals so it helps me read Kanji easier.

>>70503688
>So don't spend to much time on them since they're not that important. You could probably make up your own meanings if it help you remembering kanji

I actually think the meanings are interesting but not necessary to learning. Like the pre 1946 kanji

Example,

注文 (註文) chūmon (order, request)
遺跡 (遺蹟) iseki (historic ruins)
更生 (甦生) kōsei (rebirth)

If you were paying attention to radicals why would not search pre 1946 for figuring out their original meanings?

>>70505463
Those are old kanji, but they are right originally.
After war, government established a rule of kanji called as 当用漢字.
At that time, some kanji became easier.
Because 当用漢字 means a temporary kanji.
kanji was going to be abolished in those days.

>>70506809
I actually just spend some time reading about the reforms since.

Like having a list of Kanji you can name people with and grudge and hemorrhoid aren't on that list.

Or replacing kanji with hiragana for efficiency and legibility at a distance. Even some politically correct elements, there was an example
>urrent opinion favors the inclusion of the character 碍 under the Jōyō Kanji list in order to promote the more positive word for handicapped person, 障碍者, because the current word for handicapped, 障害者, uses the character 害, which has a secondary derogatory meaning of "harm or evil influence".

Abolishing Kanji sounds insane since it even helps me understand the language more and read easier once it's known.

How do people feel about language reform these days? Still a hot topic?

>>70507062
> 障碍者
It is a recent topic.
This is a problem related to discrimination.
It is not known by common Japanese people also much that there was 漢字廃止論 ago.
There are kanji that have both good meanings and bad meanings.
That often changes those.
For example, 伊豆 was 夷豆 and 和 was 倭 once.
Because both 夷 and 倭 are bad kanji, they were changed.
Though the simplification of kanji is different from that.
簡体字 also is the simplification of kanji.
日本漢字 also is simplified a little.
kanji was abolished in Korea and Vietnum.
In Japan, there was an insistence since the Edo period.

>>70507062
I've heard that the jouyou kanji aren't that useful.
Since it contains kanji that are rarely used, but also lacks kanji that are common.

>>70508012
Is it really realistic to abolish them?
As a beginner I find it easier to read stuff written in kanji, even if I don't know the kanji, than without because it's hard to tell different words and particles apart.

Looking up kanji is easy anyways thanks to computers.

>>70508295
Do you still have to use them legally for names?

I don't think it's practical/possible at this point to abolish kanji for the same reason among others of asking Americans to abolish the imperial measuring system for metric. Not only is it costly but imperial is culturally rooted at this point. Even in Canada it's used for a lot of things.

>>70508012
>This is a problem related to discrimination. It is not known by common Japanese people
Lucky, discriminate language has election swinging power over here.

>>70508598
>Americans to abolish the imperial measuring system for metric
Not sure if that's the same though. Doesn't Britain also use both? Doesn't Canada as well?
You could start by using it as the main measuring system in schools, culturally they'll still use imperial. but no politician is gonna make himself popular by proposing that.

Without kanji Japanese becomes nigh unreadable, at least for me.

>>70508831
Korean and Vietnameses have much more richer phonological sets, doing that with Japanese would be founding homophone land and practically destroy the language, even if they started to add spaces.

>>70508295
It is not realistic in today's Japan.
Though those countries abolished.
In Meiji period, it seems also that there was a idea that alphabets were standard characters.

>>70508598
Actually, I'v heard of the word of gaiji omitted syougaiji recently on this board.
There are some people who use a strange word.

>>70508831
>Not sure if that's the same though. Doesn't Britain also use both? Doesn't Canada as well?
Yeah, I said that. I also said it was that among other things. Imagine swapping out every sign in America that used miles for kilometers alone, it would take decades and for what purpose? There would be push back by the population, national debates, the works.

My point is, if just changing unit measurement can't be done in America, or again like Canada since we import a lot from the states, why then would it be feasible to abolish kanji. I agree with you, I don't think it can be.

Even considering the fact that more foreigners now learn Japanese, kanji would survive outside the country.

Plus making a generation of people who can't understand things that were written under 100 years ago is cultural suicide.