Seize the means of production. Do It Now.

*maintains ownership of capital next to you*

>>70384064
>*maintains ownership of capital next to you*
*Seize them anyway+

Shhh nothin personnel, bourgeoise

>>70384031
Why did Marx advocate for violent revolution when the French revolution showed just how badly it turns out 99% of the time?

*grabs dick*

it is no longer possbile mr marx, and if you were alive you would agree
the capitalists have made your ideology into a vapor so that the proletariat all become lumpenproletariat due to their incessant mistreatment of revolutionary ethics
social engineering the nullification of ideological violence so that not only is it wrong it is also unfounded

so it can't be seize but to give away the means of production, this is the only out but virtually impossible

>>70385222
Stupid jew

*executes anyone earning less than X per month*
*categorizes people by their current income*
*distributes wealth equally between all remaining citizens*
*increases taxes on what was previously the lower and middle classes*
*looks at military budget* OwO what's this

>>70384031
i am venezuelan

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>>70385222
>Why did Marx advocate for violent revolution when the French revolution showed just how badly it turns out 99% of the time?

because he wasn't brainwashed by anglo propaganda? The French revolution was based, he just didn't think it went far enough.

>>70385503
>The French revolution was based
Only if you didn't lose your head in the process.

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>>70385222
>Why did Marx advocate for violent revolution

Is it possible to have a non-violent revolution?

>>70385841
The Carnation revolution? The Indian revolution?

>>70385503
>The French revolution was based
Yeah, The Terror was great.

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seize this lol

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>>70385837
>Only if you didn't lose your head in the process.
shouldn't have been a traitor subverting the will of the people then, remember that king Louis invited the Prussians and Austrians to invade his own country

>>70385948
delet

>>70385841
The Velvet Revolution?

>>70385802
Liberalism was a mistake.

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>>70384031
Grab them by the pussy!!

>>70385953
>shouldn't have been a traitor subverting the will of the people then,
Kind of a moot point when you get to the point of killing off the people who organized the Revolution in the first place, as well as killing those who don't adopt your Newspeak language and made-up religion.

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>>70385944
ridding your country of traitors who invite foreign invaders and aristocrats to overthrow the democratically elected government is indeed based

>>70384031
Didn't he fuck his friends wife and his friend then raised the kid?

>>70385948
>"Workers of all lands, unite"
>t. NEET that leeched off relatives and friends

>>70384031
What we REALLY need is mutalaism.

No state or capatlism only markets.

>>70386078
This.

He made his friend's wife everybody's property.

When his friend protested against this, he made his friend his property.

he raised his kids but he had no money to buy them shoes
his friend saw that and provided an income so they can go to school

>>70385802
kekko
so only dictators weapons and shit represent that fantasized golden era
no thx id choose the now

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>>70384031
Soon.

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>>70386044
>Kind of a moot point when you get to the point of killing off the people who organized the Revolution in the first place

shit meme my friend, people Dumouriez sure loved the revolution

>>70386163
frankfort school deals with aesthetic criticism
alt-right wtf bro

>>70386223
Fascism is reactionary to both socialism and capitalism, so it shouldn't be there to begin with.

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>>70386231
>frankfort school deals with aesthetic criticism
yeah, adorno was talking about capitalist influence on culture

>>70386180
>Monarchy
>Slavery

Yeah Canada, Norway, The Netherlands, and Australia are such oppressive slave states.

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>>70386231
it's a meme from /leftypol/
>>70386223
Fascism advocates for private ownership of the means of production, and it was largely funded by industrialists
>>70386089
he was actually a professional journalist, he had a job

>>70386180
beyond retarded

>>70386302
>Fascism is revolutionary, not reactionary
t. doesn't know anything about politics
fascism is class collaboration

Death to communists.

>>70386291
no he is talking about how humans including before capitalism and "culture" was creating social propaganda in art
his most famous book dialectic of enlightenment is taking about the odyssey and how it enforces greek society but subjecting their enemies to odysseys (man) and the metaphor of the sirens has to do with the truths of the propanda itself

pls

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>>70386376
>/leftypol/ still doesn't have a response for why practically every socialist revolution failed to make a country even marginally better than its capitalist peers

>>70386302
>Fascism is revolutionary, not reactionary
Not true, Italian fascism for instance sought to preserve the Monarchy and restore Italy's place as a power-player in postwar Europe. Same with Spanish fascism that sought to restore the power of the clergy and British fascism that idealized Tudor era Britain. German fascism was the exception to this.

>>70386478
real socialism has never been tried

>>70386376
>it wasnt real socialism
more like its the revolution on the way. imo

>>70386478
>/leftypol/ still doesn't have a response for why practically every socialist revolution failed to make a country even marginally better than its capitalist peers

"real socialism has never been tried"

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>>70386478
THE MEANS, HAD IT OVER

>>70386299
Constitutional monarchy =! monarchy.

>>70386478
Not true socialism famalam

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>>70386565
>revolutionaries that spent their lives studying Marx's works and were so dedicated to his view of the nature of politics that they overthrew their own governments weren't actually socialists because they mysteriously couldn't achieve Marx's Utopian delusions

>>70386572
Actually, it does. Monarchy only means a Monarch is head of state.
>>70386299
A socialist would argue that you benefit off the oppression of others, particularly Native Americans and Aborigines.

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>>70386478
when a capitalist country fails, people just say ' x country failed' and instead of saying capitalism failed they say that it wasn't properly implemented

>>70386646
>they mysteriously couldn't achieve Marx's Utopian delusions
This, his shitty manifesto was written at a time when the idea of utopian societies was all the rage. All the others failed from the beginning and his only survived by warping it.

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>>70386646
most seriously bastadized it. Marx also stated that the revolution shouldn't be led by a vanguard party, like Lenin and pretty much everyone after him did.

>>70386454
cyclops is the primal man (one eyed focus on his sheep but is practically blind)
circe is basically the greek view on nonmarried women and the neutered feminine power


the story about the sirens have to do with the power of Odysseus over his sailors (information perciever/giver versus ruled)
lets say sirens are basically ideological machines (marx zizek buddha sing the siren song) so odyssues says stuff your ears and tied me up so i can tell you when they stop singing, and keep rolling by the way

what greeks are saying is basically ideology is not meant for everyone or else nobody will want to keep doing what they are meant to do

you should read adorno, if you can get through it

>>70386736
They don't fail from Capitalism. They fail because of shit like a civil war, regional revolt, invasion by outside forces, etc. None of which have anything to do with economic policy.

>>70386848
you as in>>70386291

not myself ofc

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>>70386861
>They fail because of shit like a civil war, regional revolt, invasion by outside forces
which mostly start because of economic crises

>>70385841
March on Rome?

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>>70386478

>>70385841
Allende in Chile got to government by democratic means. Anyway that story shows any radical movement should be prepared to defend its conquers by force.

That aside, today sounds a bit as Zizek says "revolution without revolution", like "coffee without caffeine" or "milk without lactose", the liberal left (US)/neoliberal left (LATAM) utopia

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>>70386025

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>>70385841
yeah

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>>70388623
>quoting postmodernist charlatans

Kys

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>>70386376
>not posting the more accurate version

>>70387887
And, it didnt work...

>>70385222
>>70385503
>>70385841
Marx advocated for a democratic transition to Socialism in Great Britain. It was one of his many disagreements with Bakunin.

In general though, the belief is that the bourgeoisie aren't going to willingly let go of their ownership of the means of production and also that the likelihood of counterrevolution is significant.