WTF BRITS???

>>70379634
He didnt fly so good

>>70379634

What's wrong Klaus?

>>70380072
you building a statue for a war criminal

>>70380148
*hero

>>70380148
Hehehehe

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>>70380072
nothing

bein smug bein thug

>>70380189
what exactly did he do to deserve beeing called a hero?

Etarnal

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>>70380285

He helped bombed a lot of Nazis.

>>70380148

Oh that. A controversial figure no doubt.

>>70380285
Helped destroy the nazi menace

>>70380741
>>70380810
he bombed civilian population that had very little military value

>the aim of the Combined Bomber Offensive...should be unambiguously stated [as] the destruction of German cities, the killing of German workers, and the disruption of civilised life throughout Germany.
>the destruction of houses, public utilities, transport and lives, the creation of a refugee problem on an unprecedented scale, and the breakdown of morale both at home and at the battle fronts by fear of extended and intensified bombing, are accepted and intended aims of our bombing policy. They are not by-products of attempts to hit factories.

>>70380285

The only crime he's guilty of is not finishing the job

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>>70380741

>>70380886
Talk shit get hit.

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>>70379634
ROFL

>>70380886
Hey, you should apologize to America. Kurt Vonnegut had to pick up some of those bodies.

>>70380887
>>70380947
>lol guys war crime is ok as long as we do it

>>70379634
Good job Brits !

>>70381052
But war crimes are about horrible things done to humans in war, the Germans arent human.

>>70380148
If they win the war they're war heroes, if they lose the war they're war criminals. It is the basics of international law lad.

>>70380886
Still destroying the nazi menace

>>70380886
It was the only viable option with the technology and resources available.

Even then it was somewhat restrained, they could easily have dropped chemical agents too.

>>70381196
not really, that was thanks to russians
terror bombing had very little effect on nazi ability to wage war

>>70381178
and i dont demand a trial or even an apology. But not errecting statues for obvious war criminals would be nice

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>>70379634
>start bombing british cities
>get mad when brits bomb you back

>>70381309
>terror bombing had very little effect on nazi ability to wage war

It tied up resources that could have been used against the USSR, that was the point.

Depends on how you view it I guess. If the Soviets really were nearly beaten then the bombing was valuable, if the Germans could never have won anyway then maybe it was mostly pointless.

Either way, spare a thought for the brave lads of Bomber Command, 44 percent death rate for bomber crews.

>>70381421
did i ever say Nazis never commited any war crimes?
Cause they did and they were rightfully persecuted for it.
But British war criminals get statues instead

>>70381562
>It tied up resources that could have been used against the USSR, that was the point.
with this sort of argument you can justify pretty much every war crimes
>executing whole villages in eastern europe
>sorry, just necessary evil to fight partisans

>>70381563
Do you really think it is fair to expect our military to did there while the Nazis bombed our cities and not respond?

>>70381717
to just sit there*

>>70381744
no but i would expect you not go out of your way to specifically target civilian population

>>70381671
So let's look at the motivation
>EE partisan
Defending their home against nazi invaders who plan to genocide them all
>nazi German
Started a world war, flattened major cities and killed millions

One jumps out at me as being slightly more deserving of a good bombing

>>70381931
if you blame the civilians who were bombed by harris for german agression, you should also blame EE partisans for stalin

>>70381671
It's an argument for area bombing in terms of the effect it had on the outcome of the war, not the morality of it.

Once you dedicate your efforts to constructing a specific type of weapon you pretty much have the choice of using it or doing nothing. With the technology and military thinking of the time it seemed to be the best option. It's easy to look now and say that Germany was never going to just surrender once they'd been bombed a bit, but during WWI the civilians suffered far less before they were ready to throw in the towel.

And I'm not sure your comparison is really useful since the Germans went into the war with the intent of killing everyone in Eastern Europe and Western Russia, so those people were going to die anyway if the Germans won.

>>70382148
And I am not demanding reparationfs from Britain. Not even an apology.
I just dont want see statues errected for obvious war criminals

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>>70379634
because allies won and winners write history

stay mad kraut

>>70382252
Obvious war criminal seems a bit of a misnomer when nothing he did was illegal or defined as a war crime until after the war.

There's not much point in going back into the past and applying modern standards of waging war on historical figures.

If you're a prominent commander on the winning side in a war you get a statue, that's just standard.

Harris himself said that the Germans entered the war under the childish delusion that they could bomb the enemy without being bombed back.

>>70382252
I agree! When are you going to start tearing down the statues of Arminius, Wilhelm, Frederick II and Bismarck? Oh, and that Soviet Memorial in Berlin too (cucks).

>>70382484
>Obvious war criminal seems a bit of a misnomer when nothing he did was illegal or defined as a war crime until after the war.
And yet the nazis were put on trial for stuff that wasn't illegal only after the war

>>70382545
Like what?

>>70382513
those people don't have statues for the war crimes they commited (which war crimes, btw?), but for their service to German people.
Literally the only thing worthy of notice that Harris did was commiting war crimes against German civilian population

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>>70379634
oh noes, those poor Nazis ;_;

get fucked Kraut scum

>>70380886
Should have thought about that before you bombed civilians in London first, play stupid games and win stupid prizes.

>>70382601
The German civilian population who produced food and armaments for the German army.

When the whole country is involved in the war effort how can you distinguish which people should be excluded as targets?

>>70382583

Participation in a common plan or conspiracy for the accomplishment of a crime against peace
Planning, initiating and waging wars of aggression and other crimes against peace
War crimes
Crimes against humanity

None of those other than war crimes were considered as a crime before WW2

>>70382709
so nothing wrong with killing entire villages in eastern europe, then?

flatten british cities and get mad when the favour gets returned

can't understand that poking somebody's eye will get you punched

terror Flieger = hero

>>70382966
Yes because you had already captured that village. If the Brits had the means of simply capturing all the people working in the factories they would have.

>>70382764
Look this is just a stupid argument.

Any and all efforts were justified in defeating Germany in the second world war.

As the aggressor in a pointless and unwinnable war which achieved nothing other than ruining Europe the Germans got off lightly, and they certainly fared a lot better than the countries to the east of them that they attacked.

If you want to argue that the Germans were justified in what they did then that's a different story, but you've already said you don't.

>>70382966
Villages in countries the Germans invaded.

If you want to say that there's nothing wrong with it then justify the aggression and occupation.

>>70383053
>>70383060
but the partisans were fighting back. the most efficient way to defeat partisans is kill the entier village.
Nothing wrong with it, according to your logic

>>70383060
so as long as you have a good causus belli, war crimes are not a problem?

>>70383158
No because you have already captured those villagers, send them to a a pow camp and for the love of god don't just murder everyone in the camp.

>>70383060
>If you want to say that there's nothing wrong with it then justify the aggression and occupation.

>>70383233
the prisoners in camp need to be fed and clothed. A lot of resources necessary that could help the war effort instead.
According to this post >>70382709 nothing wrong with killing them

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Maybe don't decimate all of Europe if you don't want to get fucked

>>70383358
do it again Bomber Harris

>>70379634
Literally who

>>70383598
a british war criminal. bad man

>>70379634
>Be German
>Invade half of Europe
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_war_crimes#Massacres_and_war_crimes_of_World_War_II_by_location
> "hurr durr they are bombing us!!! war criminal!!!!"

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>>70381104
>Germans arent human
The Frog gets it

>>70381345
>They sowed the wind, and now they are going to reap the whirlwind

Why was he so cool lads?

>>70383845
>if one side commits war crimes, the other side is automatically 100% innocent of war crimes
nice logic, Pierre

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>>70383358
do it again Bomber Harris

>>70383952
This is essentially true. There's no objective good in war

>>70383952
Wouldn't have had to have done it if you didn't have a country-wide sperg out

>>70383952
It's not war crime, it's justice

>>70384004
Moral good*

All sides are guilty of doing terrible things, (Yes, including bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki) to win the war, not all of it justifiable. The world we live in isn't a fair one, though we often wish it were.

>>70384118
and now imagine USA would create a statue for the pilotes who nuked Japan

>>70384230
Why not ?

>>70384230
We put the Enola Gay on exhibit in the Smithsonian, so that wouldn't be beyond us.

>>70384230
Hiroshima and Nagasaki were justified though

>>70384423
Don't let the weebs hear that though.

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>>70379634
>>70380148

"They sowed the wind, and now, they are going to reap the whirlwind." - National hero Sir Arthur "Bomber" Harris

>>70383952
>attack a random guy on the street
>he fights back
>"wooow, he is at fault too, he hit me back therefore he is just as guilty as me"
I thought the Germans were supposed to be smart, or at least not completely retarded.

>>70380741
>>70380938
Why did season 2 have to be shit?

>>70385226
more like
>attack a random guy on the street
>he kills your family

>>70380317
Kraunglo

I don't see the problem here. Honouring heroes is a normal thing to do.

> boohoo bongs have a statue of bomber Harris
Kek they have statues dedicated to Robert Clive. Now *that* is controversial.

>>70380148
oh my. Are you a Korean?

>>70383943
How did WW2 brits have time to think of so many cool lines?

>>70383358
do it again bomber harris

>>70384230
no surprise if Americans do it from now on but requesting to remove such a thing is meaningless. I suppose we have no right to sue suspicious men.