ITT Indo-Aryan cultures

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>>70352232
Zoroastrianism is Indo-Iranian though

>>70352232
Indo-Aryan or Indo-European?

>>70352232
Indo-europeans are descendants of gypsies.

>>70352313
Iran literally means "Aryan" in old Parthian

>>70352363
Indo-Aryan

>>70352404
And you were enslaved by em

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaZe4XzKjAc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0_tFX-pG-A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRfG1dxWrEk

>>70352487
>Indo-Aryan
Indo-Aryans suck. The bravest Indo-Europeans wandered towards the sunset.

>>70352575

Finnish word for slave(orja) comes from Aryan though.
It's more likely that in the steppe, Iranian tribes were subjects of Finns before we settled down in Finland.

>>70352954
>word for slave is a loanword
>means we enslaved them
Quite the opposite actually

>>70352954
its more likely that persian slave trade brought the word. theres also the fact that for example the word vasara is of indo iranian origin which might imply trading of crafts

>>70353081

How does that make sense? Aryan doesn't mean slave in any Indo-European language.
Only Finnic people equate Aryanhood with slavery.

>>70353118
You had contact with persians?

>>70353118

>persian slave trade

What am I reading? Forget Persians.
Finns were in direct contact with Indo-Aryan tribes from about 2500 BC to 900 BC.

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>>70352232
>tfw your fierce and noble grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grandma gave up the steppes to settle in with a protoslavic forest-dwelling farmer

Daily reminder that only Iranians are aryan, if you can't trace your ancestry to Iran you're not Arian

>>70353132
>Only Finnic people equate Aryanhood with slavery.
We do it with slavs, funny

>>70353529
Well iranians and indians actually

>>70353584
*no*

indians are severely mixed with dravidians

persians with muslim peoples


althought it's evident that the indo branch of the aryan race is indeed aryan, it has been severely damaged as it will happen to the euro part soon as well.

the hindu culture developed way before ours. it also became culturally enriched before.

the future of europe is written in India's history

>>70353550
and arabs do it with you, kek

>>70353769
So is the indo aryan migration theory in India real then

>>70353892
IDK desu, I mean there are Indians with large variations in the y-DNA classifications, but the migration part is debated.

>>70353892
Of course it is.

Hindu people have recorded their history. People must stop denying it or condemning it as a religion. Of course there is a religious and mythical part. As these weren't seen as different parts of life back then. But it also traces historically precise and real facts. The aryan people came at those areas, created a caste system and developed the most advanced civilization the world had known since then. It progressively went into shit until the present day. Hindu archives recognize it. The gold era was a long time ago. They're in dark times since the end of the caste system, racial mixing with the aboriginals, islam conquests, etc.

>>70354134
Is that why a lot of North Indians are light skinned or even look "white" for lack of better term, Same shit with pakis. Or is this an entirely different matter altogether

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1X2kjzMjMC4

>>70353416
amazons were black bruh, sorry to burst your imaginary fantasy, those leopard skins were worn by african and indians

>>70354372
Tbh, the light-dark and the lactose tolerant-intolerant ratio seems to be slightly more east to west driven than north to south driven
.eg, there are many keralites that are relatively light skinned compared to the people from slightly northern (but eastern) states like Andhra-Pradesh.
But yeah, there is a north-south dichotomy in skin fairness as well

>>70354372

Northern Indians and Pakis are similar to Persians and Afghan tribes. Though you can't ignore Semitic and Mongol Turkic presence. Basically today they are big crock pot just like Balkan and Anatolia.

>>70353769
Aryan didnt refer to ethnicity in its original meaning, nigger or albino both could be Aryan

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>>70354488
AYYY YO HOL UP

>>70354372
It correlates to the areas where indo-aryan (now "indo-european because of nazi ban) languages are spoken. those who don't see an evidence are lying.

>tfw you realise that christianity, islam and judaism are all just plagirised versions of zoroastrianism

The Arabs stole the "praying five times a day" tradition from the Zoroastrian Persians they conquered and only after the Jews made contact with Babylon, an ancient Zoroastrian province, did the Devil start to appear in their scripture, not to mention that Zoroastrianism itself is older than Judaism and was the first monotheistic religion to discuss heaven, hell, good (God) and evil (devil), judgement.

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Finno-Aryan here

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>>70354630
>tfw you realise that christianity, islam and judaism are all just plagirised versions of zoroastrianism
yup
praise Ormuzd

>>70353529
you realize that the dwelling of aryans is called aryana, and that it only encompasses eastern iran, all of afghanistan, all of tajikistan, a small part of uzbekistan and parts of western/northern pakistan right?

This is according to herodotus himself.

>Ariana includes modern-day Afghanistan (Bactria, Arachosia, Aria, Drangiana and the Paropamisadae), east and southeast Iran (Carmania and Gedrosia), most of Tajikistan (Sogdiana), most of Turkmenistan (Margiana), south Uzbekistan (parts of Sogdiana) and extending to the Indus River in Pakistan

anyone not here are literally not aryans

so yeah, only iranics are aryan, indians are not aryan, the indians that called themselves aryan were iranic invaders most likely

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>>70354630
>they then proceed to almost wipe out Zoroastrians (well maybe not jews)
How did they get away with this?

>>70354771
That's why he said only Iranians, did you even read that post you moron

>>70354134
only butthurt indians deny the aryan invasion, even the ones who deny it say instead that it was a 'migration' whatever that means

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>>70354881
Only half of iran was part of the aryan land.

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>>70354704
ftfy

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>>70353529
>burgers in charge of denying someone's heritage
MY BYLI I CHUJ

>>70354893
Tbh, the migration may have been a stereotypical aryan migration or one from the current middle east
But the presence of R1A in north India probably means that it was an aryan migration or something

>>70355134
The fact that there are indians/pakis/afghans/iranians with light features (light eyes/hair/skin) is a genetic testament that the aryans were of similar phenotype.

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>>70354709
The ultimate historical redpill.

Only thing is
>tfw only realised that masturbation is an unpardonable sin in zoroastrianism only last night and jerked one out earlier today

Hope I'll be aight, it does say that you have to be a professor of the law of Mazda or have been taught in it for the sin to really be valid, neither of which are true in my case as I'm not a professor of the law of Mazda and noone's taught me anything to do with it, I know I'll have to stop masturbating eventually though, hate myself for doing it.

>>70354801
>How did they get away with this?

Imagine how great Iran would be today if the Sassanids had managed to fight off the Arabs and stopped Islam from infecting the Iranian people..

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>>70354963
I've just looked for random pictures of people in random villages of Afghanistan

You can see clearly that they're a mix of white people and mudslimes. There's also a brazilian kid for some reason.

>>70355195
The sassanids were weak and pathetic rulers. It's common for history to repeat itself, so it was expected that the sassanids, like the achaemenids before them buckled under the slightest bit of pressure and ran off and let foreigners conquer them. Persians and western iranians are a weak willed people for the most part who showed next to no resistance. And the eastern iranians (afghanistan/tajikistan) are so cucked that they accept islam and spread it by force (samanids, ghaznavids etc.)

>>70354963
>Modern borders
>except India also has Sindh, more of Kashmir, and more of Punjab
>And Afghanistan has the rest of Pakistan
eh?

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>>70355318
Daily reminder that Iranians are not Aryan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjn-leEIT70

>>70355347
pashtuns and tajiks have the highest amounts of r1a

even persians have some amount of r1a

>>70355272
Look they even have a Brazilian family member
how nice :)

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>>70355195
>Byzantines and Sassanids fight each other to exhaustion just before the Arabs come knocking
Islam really lucked out on its timing.

>>70355176
Why would Indians be butthurt, wouldn't they take pride in "their" ancestry

>>70355347
Aryan haplogroups: R1a, J2a and G2a. This going based off ancient Iranic DNA found in Central Asia and the Pontiac Steppe. When you consider this, 85% of Iran's DNA is accounted for.

>>70355381
I was talking about Iranians, not Iranics

>>70355484
Indians have a history of being conquered, so they tend to build up a large ego when it comes to discussing these things rather than accepting truths.

>>70355485
J2 is not aryan, most iranians have arab haplogroup

Guys, what do you think about the case of the Indus valley peoples then, could they have been R1A as well? I mean what if an aryan migration happened before its current hypothesized time? And those aryans then made the indus valley civilization?

>>70355605
Arab is J1. J2 is mesopotamian/med

>>70355717
>J2 is mesopotamian/med
so not aryan

the only iranians who have r1a are in the northeast and east, which geographically makes sense too

>>70355485

http://www.ancestraljourneys.org/copperbronzeagedna.shtml

ctrl +f Sintashta/Andronovo/Srubna

They were R1a

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Did they look like this

>>70355770
According to this its still relatively high.

http://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml

And the population centres are in the north

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>>70355846
go to afghanistan/iran/north india

find someone who looks like the normal population in terms of facial structure but they look 'white' (light eyes/hair/skin)

that's what aryans looked like (ex. of the afghans here, the girl 2nd from the right)

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>>70355844

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythians

J2a is restricted to Iranians, high caste Indians, Anatolians (Indo-european hurrians, etc) and the Caucasus.

>>70356259
j2a isn't aryan, sorry, scythians were also r1a

>>70356362
Never said this. I just said it isnt arab. Its predominantely present in mesopotamia and the med regions

>>70356426
>mesopotamia and the med regions
which are arab...

>>70356541
*arab-speaking.

Turkey,greece and italy arent arabs btw

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>>70356634
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>>70356634
Still arab related. Point was to the canadian, j2 is not aryan. Only r1a is.

>>70356691
Original arabs come from the arab peninsula. They have barely any j2.

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Pic related is the only true Aryan lineage

>>70356791
Most iranians are mixed with arabs. This is reflected in genetics, phenotype, language and culture.

>>70356890
Yes.

>>70356890
So its mostly kyrgiz then.

>>70356952
pamir

>>70356930
>typical of Semitic peoples, was rarely over 10% in Iranian groups, but as high as 30% in Assyrian minorities of Iran.


>J2-M172: is the most common Hg in Iran (~23%); almost exclusively represented by J2a-M410 subclade (93%), the other major sub-clade being J2b-M12. Apart from Iranians, J2 is common in Mediterranean and Balkan peoples (Croatians, Serbs, Greeks, Bosnians, Albanians, Italians, Bulgarians, Turks), in the Caucasus (Armenians, Georgia, northeastern Turkey, north/northwestern Iran, Kurds, Persians); whilst its frequency drops suddenly beyond Afghanistan, Pakistan and northern India.[117] In Europe, J2a is more common in the southern Greece and southern Italy; whilst J2b (J2-M12) is more common in Thessaly, Macedonia and central – northern Italy. Thus J2a and its subgroups within it have a wide distribution from Italy to India, whilst J2b is mostly confined to the Balkans and Italy,[118] being rare even in Turkey. Whilst closely linked with Anatolia and the Levant; and putative agricultural expansions, the distribution of the various sub-clades of J2 likely represents a number of migrational histories which require further elucidation.[117][119]

Its pretty low and mostly present in actual semitic/afro-asiatic minorities

>>70356691
J2 isn't "Arab-related' at all. it has been found in neolithic Iran, Anatolia and Europe

>>70357063
Whoops meant to write J1 after the first arrow

>>70356986
Right

>>70356890
>That 1-5% in Karelian Isthmus
I want to believe

>>70357063
Not aryan as I said.

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>>70357187
Iranians are basially arab

>>70356259
my guess is J2 in South Asia was the result of the Neolithic expansion from Iran

to be fair, everything is still undersampled and the steppe does seem to gain some G etc. in historical times

also let's not forget the J (J*?) in mesolithic Karelia, who knows what we'll find later on

>>70357187
Never said this

>>70357350
Already disproven earlier in this thread

>>70356930
Did the Dominican nigger finally figure out a way to use a proxy? Kek.

Iranians are not Arabs. Modern Iranians are the same as those from Achaemenid Persia. And those people were a mix of ancient Iranians, Caucasian hunter gatherers and Mesopitamians (read: Mesopitamians, not "Arabs" from the Peninsula).

Literally could not be more based in terms of genetic ancestry.

There is no such as thing as modern Indo-European descendants. That is a paradox because Indo-Europeans dispersed and got completely absorbed by other populations.

That's why you have so many Mongoloids in Central Asia. Indo-European males mated with all of their females. But of course Anatolians love to claim R1a as "Turkic"

>>70357427
the canadian said so which is why I replied

>>70357501
Iranians are arabs. Most look arab or paki mix. They have arab culture/religion too. Have been arab influenced for 1400+ years and speak a language that is 40% arab in lexicon.

Next please.

>>70357350
Iran seems to have pretty good genetic continuity from the Iron Age to today (and two important discontinuities from the Neolithic to the Bronze and from the Bronze to the Iron age) based on the published Iranian samples. there likely was Arabic influence but it was already kinda similar/not enough to change things much since the time of the Achaemenids

>>70357422
J2 is also big in Greece and the Balkans from what I understand.

I completely agree with you though. This haplogroups discussions are all retarded.

>>70357501
he's probably baiting but we now know there was great continuity in Iran since the Iron Age so whatever, just shitposting

>>70357580
Modern day iranians are hardly related to the ancient iranic tribes like the ancient persians.

They've mixed too much with elamites, arabs, and got genocided by mongols.

>>70357554
By that logic all muslims are arabs. And it was already proven that iranians barely mixed with them. And if they look similiar then it is maybe because they still live in the same region? That would make afghans also arabs

>>70357554
Autism haha I won't make your miserable life better by giving more (you)'s.

Your obsession with Iranians is actually a compliment. How is the Persian girl that cucked you? Do you still miss her?

>>70357683
Yes, they're basically arabs too.

Only north indians that are high caste hindus are really aryan (genetics, culture, phenotype).

>>70357696
calm down pajeet alireza

>>70357676
the "Persians" we know were created in situ in Fars, they weren't proto-Iranians. we actually have Iron Age samples from Iran and they have great continuity with contemporary ones

you have to modify your trolling somewhat

>>70357683
it's likely that there is some Arabic ancestry in Iranians but it was already similar and not enough to particularly change Iranian genetics *since the Iron Age*

>>70357722
North Indians can be modelled as 50% steppe at best. the rest is Iranian Neolithic and an ancient South Asian component related to other Eastern Eurasians

there are no pure Indo-Europeans left anywhere

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Just look at these two cutie pies. The Iranian qt has altered pigmentation due to the kebabization of her ancestors, but the facial features are almost identical.
And it's not like I had to cherrypick or anything, those are like first results from google search.
We wuz Sarmatian kurwa

>>70357422
>also let's not forget the J (J*?) in mesolithic Karelia
some sauce on this pls

>>70358480
Poles aren't PIEs, not by a long shot

>>70358480
she's probably had a nosejob, most iranian women look like trannies

>>70358534
http://biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2015/10/10/016477.full.pdf

page 43, EHG guy from Karelia with J

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>>70356890
tfw an aryan

>>70354134
>implying
Ancient Indo-Europeans didn't give a fuck about race, only about the continuation of their lineage. That is why they practiced exogamy with females from other tribes very early on, even before the caste system was created.

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>>70359274
Thanks for the pepe. Here take mine

>>70359341
is this a japanese painting style pepe
very interesting

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>>70358686
t. meme country of swedecucks raped by mongols with no real history
>>70358691
>t. a meme subset (a fucking leaf) of a meme nation (burgerland)
you're all just jelly, and for a good reason

>>70359932
We're autosomally more Indo-European than Poles, all memes aside.

http://terheninenmaa.blogspot.com/2015/11/indigenous-european-hunter-gatherer.html

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>>70359628
Indeed

>>70354893
>Butthurt Indians

Or those who actually cared to read on the latest genetic studies and research on not rely on memes from a Papua New Guinean pheasant breeding forum

>>70360094
Indo-European-like rather. some of that must have come from your linguistic ancestors who must have been somewhat closely related to the PIEs by the time they were around the Volga

>>70355484
There is no butthurt. Earlier the whole """"Aryan"""" """""Invasion"""'' theory was concocted by Marxist historians to justify that Muslim and British colonialism was not bad and that such invasions have always happened and that people especially Hindus shouldn't be nationalistic since acc to that Aryan Invasion theory they also came from outside.

But subsequent linguistic, archaeological and most importantly genetic research have revealed that there was no such invasion to the scale to displace the native civilizations such as Indus Valley civilizations at any time and they changed it to a mass Aryan """"migration"""" theory. But then subsequent genetic research again proved that the genetic pool of indian subcontinent has remained remarkably consistent over the last 10,000 odd years or something and there there isn't any appreciable genetic difference between that of ""Aryan"" north Indians and ""Dravidian"" south Indians.

Then based in all these research, the terms Aryan and Dravidian were changed from racial or genetic terms to denote linguistic groups which is where it's now.

You can either chose to believe these actual scientific research or meme shitposts. As for phenotypes, south India is much more hot than a temperate north India which is why you have Dravidian Brahui in Pakistan who are fair skin in general while Aryan Sri Lankans are like tar skin in general.

>>70352873
>The bravest Indo-Europeans wandered towards the sunset.
You mean people from Toharistan, which was in modern Chinese territory? I agree, they were the bravest. And it appears they took part in creation of ancient Turks.

>>70360474
modern South Asians can be modelled as part steppe (some extremely so, even more than southern europeans). unless you argue that this somehow pre-existed the Indo-European migrations, there's no other way around it - Indians have a good amount of "Aryan" ancestry

also South Asian skin color differs massively even within regions based on caste etc

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>>70360094
>We ching autosomally chong Nip-Nong than Pong, all *throat singing* aside.
>http://terheninenmaa.blogspot.com/2015/11/horse-archery-reconstructionism-association.html
Very interesting post, but could you please repeat that in English?

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>>70360474
>Dravidian Brahui in Pakistan who are fair skin in general while Aryan Sri Lankans are like tar skin in general.

>>70355485
>G2a
You sure this one is Aryan?
Ossetian have the largest amount of G2a among all Aryan-speaking peoples, but it is still disputed whenether Alans and Sarmatians had it, or if it is just a local Caucasian haplogroup.
And as far as I know it originated in Anatolia.

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>>70360714
Topkek

>>70360673
Modern south Asians are a mongrel race. Period. There was no massive invasions or migrations at any singular time to displace native population and supplant their own culture. More like over a vast period various small nomadic bands/groups from steppes or elsewhere of different stocks were continuously getting assimilated by the already existing comparatively larger sedentary native population that did have advanced city building civilizations like IVC and modern south Asians are that mongrel race with minor differences in skin color as latitude changes.

The term Aryan and Dravidian is relevant only as linguistic groups in India and that is not even in scientific or genetic dispute per latest studies

>>70360820
Had to make a point lanka bro

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>>70360714

Finnese on literal suicide watch

>>70360714
>An estimate given by Haak et al. 2015 gives us the origin of Finns: 25% early Neolithic farmers (compared to Norwegians with 48% early Neolithic farmers), 10% Siberians (compared to Norwegian 4%), 8% western hunter-gatherers (Norwegian 0%) and 50% Yamnaya (Norwegian 48%).
We are, in essence, proto-Aryans in comparison to Poles.
>inb4 chingchongpingpong
You can meme all you want to but it won't change reality :^)

>>70360952
some medieval Alans from Saltovo-Mayaki had G2a. I assume you're aware of the relevant Russian study?

>>70354630
Isn't the story of Jesus basically just a rehash of the story of Horus?

>>70361206
skin color differences within South Asia are pretty big, stratified per region and likely the result of differential Iranian Neolithic and steppe ancestry

modern everyone (Europeans included) are mongrels, no doubt and whatever scenario you have in mind, South Asia has quite a bit of steppe ancestry today

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>>70361262
>We are, in essence, proto-Aryans
more like poopoo-Aryans amirite
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFCqUROWEKU

>>70361545
That was pretty cool ngl

>>70361438

Ofcourse modern indians do have steppe genes in them too - along with lots of other stock and that modern indian population is almost same genetically to the point aryan and dravidian terminologies have lost all racial meaning and used in a linguistic sense.That was my point

>>70358480
Hnggg

>>70355485
G2a is a Caucasian Haplogroup. West-Caucasian to be precise (Circassians and Georgians). Oessetians are basically Iranic speaking Circassians.

>>70360474
In general? That'd be the tamils

>>70367061
they look the same

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>>70367235
t.cuck

Nope

>>70367343
autism, and
>cuck
you have to go back >>>/pol/

>>70367235
all sri lankans should be killed

>>70367480
That's nice

>>70367426
stay mad cuck
>>70367480
What's wrong, tamil rapefugee cucked you out of a minomum wage clerk job or something?
All australians should be killed
The world would benefit from having less of their garbage """bantz""" and not having to hear the trashy accent

>>70367542
bit rude mate

>>70367725
pls ignore him he's autistic

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WE WUZ PERSIANS N SHIEET

>>70367764
i'm still not letting you in when you show up on a leaky boat

>>70368096
Now, those, are actually all tamils

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I am the original aryan

>>70357167

There isn't a single Finn with this Gypsy haplolgroup known to science.
Perhaps someone might be descended from a mixed race Cossack rapist but that would be a extremely rare case.