Don't forget, you're here forever.

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>>70330902

>>70330902
Imagine EU without the refugees welcome policy
Truly a paradise

>>70330902
The UK certainly is, seeing how their Court decided vis-a-vis parliament rights over deciding whether to Brexit or not

>>70331088
Considering that we've just replaced constant bitching about the Euro crisis with constant bitching about the migrant crisis, seems to me then it is still a paradise.

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>>70331153
You think Parliament is going to deny the government a majority for article 50? Hahahaha

You can't be that naive

>>70331217
>trusts politicians

>>70330902
Waiting on the "do it for her" merkal edit

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>>70330902
WH ER M I

>>70331217
>trusting politicians

>>70330902
Not yes

>>70331217
>he is going to pull a Greece and fuck up his country
Bad idea anon

>>70331245
>>70331297
You clearly have no idea about the situation here. The referendum had a big majority of Westminster constituencies vote Leave. Any MP who defies their constituents on something this big will get voted out in the next election and replaced by an MP who will deliver.

The point of the court case was to make it clear that the British government cannot remove rights given to us by Parliament, by decree (royal prerogative).

Only Parliament can affect the rights of British citizens. Parliament is sovereign.

This is exactly what people voted for, the sovereignty of the British Parliament. If you don't think the Commons will respect the will of the people in this then maybe that's why your countries have never achieved the long-term stability of the UK.

Parliament will trigger article 50, the government knows it has a clear majority and ministers have already said this. The only real difference for the government is that they now have to consider some amendments proposed by various parties. That is only right and proper, since the representatives of the British people should all have their say in something this important

>>70331275
>Waiting for
>not doing it

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>>70331374
ys not

I used to come here every day. Now I don't have time and get all my international news from The Economist audiobooks released each week.

If you don't read/listen to The Economist you are, by definition, a pleb

>>70331426
>reads an editorial once

>>70331426
> still...trusting politicians....

>>70331426
how does it feel to know that someone is better than you just because he has a crown?

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>>70331454
>The Economist
Thanks Jacob.

>>70330902
>they said that to the the Brits too
:^)

>>70330902
Thanks France for in ironically forcing the EU and Euro on us.

>>70331409
The EU isn't powerful enough to fuck up our country, not in a significant way. They can try though.

>>70331471
Yeah, I do trust our politicians to do this.

>>70331480
Why are you talking about crowns?

>>70331569
Direct your complains regarding the EU to France. They enforced it.

>tfw we will never have uk free eu

Fucking islandjews.

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>>70331536
why are you complaining? you are like the only western european country to benefit from the euro. the euro is unironically the last german scheme to control europe.

>>70331471
You don't have to trust them to know they'll pass it. The Conservative party has to pass it at this point or they'll split up. There's probably a good few Labour MPs who support leaving too, with a few who said to remain actually supporting leave.

I would put money on Jeremy Corbyn voting to leave in the referendum. Trust doesn't come in to it.

>>70331710
You will soon, Pekka. but hey, don't worry though. Cause as soon as we leave the EU and Trump abandons NATO. You'll have all of...Poland, to defend you from Putin.

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>>70331802
>russia being able to afford a real war
so these are the delusions going through the head of your average right wing englishman.

>>70331802
Well, hopefully France never trusted usa to defend us from russia, That is why we build our own nukes and to not rely to usa for them.
You know, those nukes that goes the right way when we lunch them...

Feels good man.

>>70331793
Jeremy Corbyn has already instructed his party to pass it. A good chunk of Labour will defy him and vote against, but that doesn't matter, you only need a small number of Labour votes to ensure the majority is won.

Trust DOES come into it, we're trusting our political institutions to reflect the will of the people. It only seems obvious to us that this will pass because our institutions are relatively uncorrupted. So our views will be reflected in Parliament, despite them being contrary to the Establishment's wishes just several months ago.

Unfortunately, many people in many other countries would not have our level of confidence in Parliament/Congress to represent their views

>>70331802
finland isnt in nato so nothings gonna change in any case

>>70330902
go back to work, cuck, and keep sending the euromonis

>>70331952
>those nukes that goes the right way when we lunch them

alright that's going too far mate, there was no need for that.

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>>70331913
>he doesnt know about the war economy

>>70331217
>>70331426
>>70331569
>>70331793
>>70331802
>>70331962

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAAHAHAHHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>70332204
is this what a german spergout looks like?

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see y'a in parliament

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>>70331088
that's not enough, imagine a EU with the good parts of europe only, no germans, no gypsies and no eastern europeans

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>>70332224
No, this is.

>>70331153
Parliament will overwhelming vote to trigger Article 50.

>>70331724
I am not complaining just remember that the EU and Euro was the idea of France to fuck Germany over.

>>70332224
>did pajeet hammer into into his keyboard furiously as the EU flag was softly waving in the wind over his head

>>70331962
Even with Conservative rebels it would still pass wouldn't it? There's only one person I can see who would vote against.

I'm just saying even if you had zero trust in them they would still pass it, because it's in their interests to do so. The Conservative party would crumble if it didn't, and Labour surely don't want to lose even more votes to UKIP or the Conservatives.

>>70332244
That would be a homosexual union, typical norwegayan.

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>>70332491
>typed mehmet, as he bit into a kebab with one hand, waved the turkish flag with another and had the rest of his four arms type

>>70332244
We'd still have problems with north africans arriving at Spain, France and Italy and then spreading.

>>70331438
I'm on my cell at work.

>>70332542
>A: you are stupid!
>B: you are stupid!

Hello elementary school.

>>70332612
fair point. call it quits?

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>>70330902

I will not be around forever and neither will the EU.

Which dies sooner is the only question.

>>70332647
I am someone else. But in behalf of the German people I say yes.

>>70332511
>Even with Conservative rebels it would still pass wouldn't it?
Yes. The majority of Labour constituencies actually voted Leave in the referendum. There are what, around 200 Labour seats at the moment? I would estimate at least 50 Labour MPs voting with the government. At least. There will be Conservative rebels but not that many, that party will rally behind the PM. Only a few people like Ken Clarke will break ranks.

The only 100% sure to be voting against the government are the Lib Dems and SNP, and I guess the Green MP too.

>I'm just saying even if you had zero trust in them they would still pass it, because it's in their interests to do so.

Yes, you're right

>>70332679
alright safe one lad, catch you around.

>>70332689
And to be honest, even the Lib Dems and SNP will vote with the government if they get a few amendments in

>mainland Europeans using the standards of their own tyrants to judge British politicians

Top, top laff

We aren't European and we never will be and the people who have tried to change this have already failed.

>>70332777
aye but like, geographically speaking. we are in the european continent.

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>>70332777
Trips of truth.

>>70332777
>>70332824
Britain was roman, german, and french at different points in history right? thats part of the reason english is such a mess

>>70332913
well, for a lingua franca. hasn't done too fucking bad has it?

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>>70332913
*germanic
>>70332954
it kinda did if I were to be honest
I mean the grammar is fine but unphonetic languages are a pain in the ass

>>70331569
>Why are you talking about crowns?
it's a curiosity of mine

>>70332996
talk 2 me abt languages when polish is lingua franca, dork

>>70331724
It's not Hans' fault if you are poor

>>70332549
>not shooting at their boats
what are you? german?

>>70330902

yeah but you are not

>>70333026
I'm not banting you or anything, I'm just objectively saying that spelling and reading in English are a fucking lottery

>>70333131
i was just shitting you too, it's a pretty inbred language. it's a germanic/romance wankpot.

>>70333131
Pick my berries, box head.

>>70332244
Faggot

>>70331454
Economist went to shit ever since the new editor took over
It's all about the FT my dude

>>70333458
>box head
Where do you people take this meme from?
Germs have square heads, Poles have triangle heads.

>>70332244
>he wants a literally gay union
wew

>>70333632
Nah you cunts have round heads
Like Russians but not as ugly

>>70333632
You're a box head.

>>70333723
I'm Russian and I have an oval face. Plenty of types exist, the "triangle head" as the Pole here mentioned.

>>70331802
youd never help anyone so we lose nothing

>>70333767
You're a shit teeth.

>>70334075
Not anymore, box head.

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>>70330902
Not so fast monsieur.

>>70330902
What is Macron or Filons stance on the EU?

>>70331426
48% vs 52% and a lower voter turnout among remainers. So much for constituents.

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>>70335125
cucks

feigning skepticism

Marine is the only option. Let the French people decide via referendum.

>>70333596
>It's all about the FT my dude

THIS

>>70334143
You are and always will be a shit teeth, shit teeth.

>>70335133
>48% vs 52% and a lower voter turnout among remainers. So much for constituents.

Westminster constituencies =/= popular vote

Totally different ball game.

The Remain vote was concentrated in a smaller number of constituencies (in urban areas) whereas the Leave vote was more distributed. The number of constituencies voting Leave was in the 400s, out of 650 in total.

>>70333596
How many editions a week?

What's wrong with The Economist in your view. I think it has been consistent over the past 8 years

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>>70331962
>many people in many other countries would not have our level of confidence in Parliament/Congress to represent their views
Rofl, this coming from a country that uses first-past-the-post system. Hilarious.

>>70335133
>>70335339
ach Mehmet

>>70335339
They were even given a choice to change the system and turned it down.

>>70335289
Clean my toilet too, box head.

*throws you a quid*

>>70335419
>>70334143
>>70333767
>>70333458
>>70333026
a literal 15 year old

>>70335339
>Rofl, this coming from a country that uses first-past-the-post system.

FPTP gives the strongest constituent-MP bond out of all voting systems, at the expense of proportionality. And besides, our government gave us the option of ditching FPTP and we voted in a large majority to keep it.

When have Germans ever been given a say on the nature of the voting system? Or on membership of the EU?

>>70335528
a literal paki

>>70335528
>seething

>>70335565
ecks dee

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>>70335588

hahahaha the globalists win again

>>70335302
You mean they are not sized to be about equal in population size?

>>70335679
fffffffffffffflop

>>70335367
They're not the brightest candle on the cake.

>>70335679
>You mean they are not sized to be about equal in population size?

They are, but Remainer turnout was much higher in these fewer urban constituencies. For example you had turnout of around 80% in places like Hackney and Islington which voted overwhelmingly for Remain.

Outside the cities, you had mostly smaller margins for Leave (say, 60% or so), but over a larger number of constituencies

>>70332244
>Spain
>UK
>Portugal
>France

Those can leave

>Germany
>Austria
>Liechtenstein
>Switzerland
>Estonia
>Lithuania
>Latvia
>Scotland

Those can join

>>70335339
>Says the country with a minimum of seats system

>>70335679
Yes, but Londonistan had about 40 consituencies go 66%+ to remain, some up to 80%.
Meanwhile most of the countryside and north was 50-65% leave.

>>70335557
FPTP leads to increasing polarization, as is now visible in UK and US, precisely because of the lack of proper representation. It's also very vulnerable to cheating like gerrymandering.
So you're fucked either way, because if your parliament does indeed vote to trigger article 50, the United Kingdom will soon become the Divided Kingdom with Scotland, NI and maybe even London leaving.

>>70335928
NI won't leave (too many unionists) and London has no constitutional basis to leave you complete twat.
Scotland is the only possible one and that polls worse than it did in 2014 due to the oil industry collapsing (SNP budget plans for indy scotland predicted 140$ a barrel oil, lel)

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>>70330902
Just imagine what kind of a diarrhea storm it would become if the UK parliament would go: 403 Forbidden, and decide to cancel whole Brexit.

The chavs would f'kin RIOT.
They'd REFUSE to GET PISSED in the morning as a protest :^)

>>70335992
One of their main reasons was staying in the EU fuck twat.

>>70335890
There are only 33 boroughs in London though and around half were less than 2/3rds remain.

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As long as G*rmany is in the union with us everyone else can leave.

>>70336078
as long as greek ass stays in the union, bulgarian gorila stays in greek ass

>>70336050
boroughs are not consituencies anon

>>70336040
And yet here's the current polling

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/821339271244169216

>>70335835
>wanting every clown who votes for his own one-man-party in parliament.

>>70335928
>FPTP leads to increasing polarization, as is now visible in UK and US
Increasing polarisation? A few decades ago you had 90% of the country voting for only 2 parties, now, it's only 60-70%.

>It's also very vulnerable to cheating like gerrymandering.
Wrong, there's only Gerrymandering in the USA, and this is due to powerful of US state governors who can re-draw constituency borders in some states.

This cannot happen in the UK since we have an independent Boundary Commission which decides these things. Boundaries are only redrawn to keep populations approximately equal. FPTP doesn't come into it.

>So you're fucked either way, because if your parliament does indeed vote to trigger article 50, the United Kingdom will soon become the Divided Kingdom with Scotland, NI and maybe even London leaving.

That's just bollocks. The SNP's independence prospects are looking weaker than before the referendum. And there's no way NI is leaving, the most trouble we'll have there is sorting out what happens with the border, but that's resolvable.

You keep worrying about the UK breaking up if you want, what you should be worrying about is the stability off the Eurozone, because if there's trouble there then Germany is more fucked than anyone else

>>70336100
BULGARIAN GORILLA FUCK MY GREEK ASS

>>70336102
Yes. I'm pointing out that you're talking utter bollocks as London's vote was based on a borough basis.

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>>70336121
>Throwing away votes and distributing them to the other parties
Nice idea Adolf.

>>70336102
Great here is a poll of brexit happening

>>70335835
literally every democracy has that

>>70336204
All the counts were done by local authority, most of which cover 2-5 constituencies. The guesses for constituencies are just that, rough guess. The dense pro remain centre of london has more people, hence more constituencies.

>>70336265
>in England the 326 local government districts were used as the voting areas; these consist of all unitary authorities, all metropolitan boroughs, all shire districts, the London boroughs, the City of London and the Isles of Scilly

Please stop embarrassing yourself.

>>70336323
> the 326 local government districts were used as the voting areas
>All the counts were done by local authority
Literally what I fucking said you illiterate retard.

>>70336261
Netherlands doesn't. You got 70.000 votes, you get a seat.

>>70330902
>the stars literally don't have any meaning

The EU's end goal is to quash national identity, so it stands to reason their flag has no meaning.

>>70336413
No one fucking cares about the London constituencies, you thick bastard.

>>70330902
https://livebunker.rocks/chat/int#General

>>70333632
Flat heads

>>70336128
>A few decades ago you had 90% of the country voting for only 2 parties, now, it's only 60-70%.
Yes because since then the topic of environmentalism popped up with a new party, the Greens, which thanks to proportional representation have their share of seats. And reunification happened which brought another party and their voters to be immediately represented with seats.

>>70336261
Here 1 vote is 1 vote.

>>70336223
>Nice idea Adolf.

>not knowing how Adolf went on in his speeches about how there are far too many parties

>>70336204
We're not talking about how the votes were counted. It wasn't a general election, so the Westminster constituencies weren't officially tallied, it was all local authorities.

But if you DO overlay the referendum vote with Westminster constituencies, you get a clear majority going for Leave, because of the pattern I mentioned. Here you go:

https://medium.com/@chrishanretty/the-eu-referendum-how-did-westminster-constituencies-vote-283c85cd20e1#.i83pi6zhu

>tl;dr version: 421 out of 574 English and Welsh Westminster constituencies probably voted to Leave

Also,
>inb4 Medium

Hanretty is an expert on this shit

>>70336653
You completely misunderstood me.

I meant in the UK you had this vast majority voting for only 2 parties, and only we have more parties in the mix. So if you look at it like that the country is less polarised

>>70336767
Oh I see. But these new parties aren't properly represented because of FPTP. Surely this must lead to more disenfranchisement, since in the parliament it's still the same old Labour vs Tory even though your electorate has as much a differentiated view about matters as ours.

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A brilliant future

>>70337867
At least we have a future and don't vanish from earth like the Japanese.

>>70330902
>Don't forget, you're here forever.
So?

>>70332244
>wanting a union of sodomites

>>70335419
*throws you a toothbrush*

>>70341712
*throws you out the country*

>>70331426

>He thinks we actually have plans for brexit
>implying it isn't just a crudely drawn picture of mini thatcher on a throne.

>>70332204

Remember, the North West voted to remain. The parts that actually do shit that is.

>>70335994

>implying it wasn't the middle aged sections voting for brexit
>a great disturbance in the force, as if millions of fat slobs got off the couch in rage at once.

>>70337867
Remember World War 2?

We have the technology.

Give us a year or two and the gas chambers will be fully operation, the mudshits will be burning.

>>70337990
>we
turkroach out!

>>70337867
Make many pure yamato chilluns japanon.

>>70332244
Omg, i dislike racist norway now!

Dont leave us alone. We need more € monies. You need us poor countries too to trade and stuff. Dont leave us alone or the russia and or kebabs will come.

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>thread has 147 replies
>the paid Czech EU-shill is nowhere in sight
>apparently there are people who still believe the EU is good for them

Toppest of keks friends. I seriously hope you are in the 0.01%.

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>>70346949

Lolno

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>>70332244
>norgay

>>70346993
>fixit
has a really nice ring to it

>>70346864
>>70346907
>>70346949
>>70346993
>>70347035
>>70347072
>>70347112
what an interesting life you must have...

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>>70348351
>being mad because people want the EU gone

wew lad

>>70344587
>He thinks we actually have plans for brexit
>implying it isn't just a crudely drawn picture of mini thatcher on a throne.

It might just work. There's an ancestral fear of Maggie amongst the EU bureaucrats

>>70330902
Doubt it.

>>70348993
>assuming assumptions

>>70344587
you're a idiot

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>>70332244
>Norway
>talking fondly about EU
Gonna ignore the gay sex because that's too easy to attack

>>70337034
>Oh I see. But these new parties aren't properly represented because of FPTP. Surely this must lead to more disenfranchisement, since in the parliament it's still the same old Labour vs Tory even though your electorate has as much a differentiated view about matters as ours.

They ARE properly represented, they are not *proportionally* represented, because it is not a proportional system (and neither is yours, by the way).

All parties play by the same rules. The reason parties like UKIP have so few seats is because their MPs and their party aren't popular enough to win majorities in the 650 constituencies of the UK, except a couple.

The winner-takes-all aspect might stop gradual change, but it also gives the public the power to inflict sudden landslide change when a party reaches certain levels of unpopularity. Look at what happened to Labour in Scotland. Look at what happened to the Liberals around the time of WW1.

And the way things are going now, pay attention to what happens to Labour in the next election. FPTP gives greater expression to the public when they're really fed up with, or enthusiastic for, a particular party.

With the proportional vote systems it's almost impossible to get rid of some politicians, especially if they're on a List vote. There are no truly safe seats with FPTP

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>tfw you finally join the EU after years of struggle
>it falls apart immediately afterwards
why does this happen every time