why is indo european so superior to shitskin languages? >inb4

>>70220155
Austronesian languages are better

>>70220274
>Austronesian """"""""""languages""""""""""

good one federico

>>70220274
This.

Also Afroasiatic languages are better.

>>70220155
> grammatical genders
> gendered pronouns
> being related to literal poo in loos
> superior to anything

I don't think so

>>70220362
t. Schlomo bin Salman Al-Yahud

>>70220155
The finno-ugcuck spergout is inevitable, we can only bide our time and pray they don't manage to bring haplotism into the thread.

>>70220522

It has already begun >>70220409

>>70220155
I imagine because the original speakers spread and took over places after their civilization originally collapsed

>>70220409
>Vagyarokbokszokmekleknekszektekrek
>Pankaalaamaanootooloolaa
>Çünkülümrümçümçümçüm
>Superior to Indo-European

>>70220155
why the fuck is english germanic in ireland and romance in great britain?

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>>70220155
why is indo european so superior to shitskin languages?

>indo

hmm

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>tfw don't even have to reply to a thread and poo-loo-europeans are already obsessing about you

>>70220653
The map that op just copypasted was edited by a butthurt latin that hated that the international lingua franca is a Germanic language

>>70220522
Why should you care, it's not like you are white you inbred abo.

>>70220614
delete this immediately

Türks are not finno-ugric anyway

>>70220409
>said a person whose language is similar to the black speech of mordor

>>70220653
Fucks sake, I didn't notice. I guess the assmad swampshit is back at it again

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>"COVER IS BLOWN"
>"RETREAT"

>>70220932
Back underwater you go, m8

Latin and English are the only good Indo-European languages, rest are shit.

Meanwhile every Baltic-Finnic language is wonderful. Baltic-Finnic languages and even Mordvin to some extent are the highest form of languages the world has yet to see.

>>70221015
>Baltic languages
They are Indo-European
>Finnic languages
Polaankaayaataakuukuulää

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>With a few exceptions, most languages in the Uralic family make extensive use of cases. Finnish has 15 cases according to the traditional understanding (or up to 30 depending on the interpretation). However, only 12 are commonly used in speech (see Finnish noun cases). Estonian has 14 and Hungarian has 18.

>>70220827
The black speech unironically sounds pleasant to me. It's a shame Tolkien didn't bother to expand on it as far as he did with the elven language.

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>>70221180
>elven is based on finnish, the most beautiful finno-ugric language
>black speech is based on hungarian, the most brutal finno-ugric language
DEEPEST
LORE

>>70220155
>Bretagne don't speak french
Stop this meme please.

>>70221105

Retard.
Baltic-Finnic is a sub-group within Finnic(Finno-Volgaic) languages.
Anyway if you knew the beauty of Kalevala metric poetry like JRR Tolkien did you would understand.

>>70221155
Yes but those cases are just sticking an ending on the word. In slavic languages case endings change based on gender and number.

>>70221293
language maps are always exaggerated as to not make minority languages invisible.

>>70221287
>orcs were brutalized elves
It fits!

>>70221398
Fair enough, but a lot of Europe should be colorized differently then...

>>70221287
Why do people say our language is brutal? It isn't... is it? It's very melodic and gentle.

>>70221946
No offense m80 but it literally sounds like a mix of Finnish and Turkish
https://youtu.be/LQPWdEqB8V4

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>>70221946
Must have been all the raping and pillaging magyars did done in europe that left an eternal trauma on other euros

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URALIC AND ALTAIC LANGUAGES=REAL LANGUAGES=SPOKEN BY ALPHA PEOPLE
ind*-e*r*p*an """""languages"""""="""language""" with simple grammar for dumb and beta people
>>70220155
>Indo-e*ropean """"""""""languages""""""""""
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAGHA
>Not painting ar*bic lands even though they are also indo-e*ropean(aka wh*te) and speak an indo-e*ropean language
HAHAHAHAHHAHAGAHAGGAHHHHAHAHAHAHHAHA
Why do you try to hide your affiliation with the people you call shitskin lmao
Fugging wh*tes are hypocrites as usual

>>70221946
>>70221180
>>70220409
madjaarit :DDDDDDDD

>>70222229
dirty t*rk shoo shoo no one likes you

>>70221946
senpai... how is it gentle? it makes me think of Transylvanian castles and Elizabeth Bathory

>>70220155
>english
>roman
Who made this map? Americans?

>>70222229
Wow Turks really are retarded
>Semitic
>Indo-European

>>70220771
No. It's just because English voc is Latin (French) af

>>70222311
The French

>>70220155
Indo-Euro spread in Europe with farming.
Most European genetics is pre-Indo-Euro.
Finno-Ugrics are pre-Indo-Euro.
Baltic-Finnics are literally purest Europeans genetically, traced back to 30 000 BC hunter-gatherers from Spain.

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>>70222355
I will never forgive you for what you did to the Anglo-Saxon tongue

It sounded so mighty

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>>70220155
>britain blue
>ireland red

>>70222311
Well-informed people I guess :^)

>>70222355
>Vocabulary chooses the family
So Quechua is Romance too just because it's VOC is Spanish AF?

>>70222502
>>70222502
>Dutch sounds ugly
>Anglo Saxon sounds mighty

Most reconstructions of Anglo Saxon sound pretty much like a dutch dialect.

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>>70222491
>Indo-Euro spread in Europe with farming

likely not

>Most European genetics is pre-Indo-Euro

depends

>Finno-Ugrics are pre-Indo-Euro

partially true, genetically, like every other European. maybe true linguistically but maybe not

>Baltic-Finnics are literally purest Europeans genetically, traced back to 30 000 BC hunter-gatherers from Spain.

just one part of their ancestry is Mesolithic Baltic. Finns also have extra Siberian ancestry the rest of Europe lacks

>>70222766
The Eastern shores of the Baltics have the greatest affinity to Upper Paleolithic European Hunter-Gatherers. Also, coincidentally, the greatest percentage of blue eyes and blonde hair.

Finns have a Siberian input but I suspect it comes from the Sami reindeer herders. Finland wasn't even well populated before 1000AD.

>>70220155
>Indo European
>superior
kek

>>70222722
>Most reconstructions of Anglo Saxon sound pretty much like a dutch dialect.
It's not surprising... Original (non-latinised) anglo-saxon came from the same area.

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>>70220155
>why is indo european so superior to shitskin languages?
>indo-european
>INDO
>not shitskin
>even on the map they are colored like shit

>>70222851

Please don't talk about subjects you don't understand.
Finland has been populated by ancestors of Finns for at least 2500 years, but new arrivals did come from Karelia and Estonia as well in the first millenium.

>>70220522
>we can only bide our time and pray they don't manage to bring haplotism into the thread.

you called it

>>70222766
>>70222491
>>70222851
>>70223010

>>70222722
Like Frisian, I guess

>>70222063
That man has a really coarse voice, 99% of Hungarians don't sound like him.

>>70222291
It has lots of vowels and vowel harmony. Also Erzsébet Báthory was innocent, convicted on false charges. There is no definite proof she was bathing in the blood of Slovaks regularly to preserve her youth. Or that she killed ~600 people after torturing them in various creative ways.
I mean just think about it if she really had committed those crimes she would still be around because bathing in the blood of virgins would have kept her young forever, duh.

>>70223010
Finland was populated by the Sami until Baltic-Finnics drove them up North. Which their mythology references to.Keep in mind, Finnics spoke the same language 2000 BC. Western Finland got their dialect from Estonia and Eastern Finland from Karelia.

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>>70222444

>>70222625
If you want to piss natives off, then yes :^)

>>70222502
Oh, c'mon, our vocabulary is GOAT

>>70222097
>kievan russia
creator of that map has a sense of humor

>>70222851
>The Eastern shores of the Baltics have the greatest affinity to Upper Paleolithic European Hunter-Gatherers

yes but it's still a minority of their ancestry. Northern Europe has more steppe than Mesolithic ancestry, though the latter peaks in the East Baltic as you wrote.

>Also, coincidentally, the greatest percentage of blue eyes and blonde hair

I don't remember the allele frequencies for light hair among European and Scandinavian hunter-gatherers but they were fixed for light eyes which isn't true for any living Euro population today. farmers and some steppe populations like Yamnaya were darker-eyed (especially the latter). so it's possible that this is partially the reason for the high frequency there

but other populations with relatively high levels of hunter-gatherer ancestry like the Basques aren't that blue-eyed either, so it's complex

>>70223124

Not all of Finland. There were people living a sedentary lifestyle while Lapps are by definition mobile nomads.
Were these people in SW Finland Germanic speaking then? I'm not convinced since they still had material culture more like Estonians.

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>>70222097
>Kievan Russia
>Russia

>>70223089
haplotism is helping confirm some archaeological/linguistic theories these days though. even a lot people who proposed a steppe theory for the spread of Indo-European weren't necessarily expecting this degree of population replacement. some 25 to 50% in Europe

>>70222355
And Persian voc is Arabic as fuck, that doesn't make it a Semitic language.

>>70223330
tl;dr Kunda culture gave the Baltic Sea area it's genetics
>>70223352
Proto-Germanic heavily influenced Finnic speech, this is why we have double vowels.

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>>70223555
>tl;dr Kunda culture gave the Baltic Sea area it's genetics

half at best, though. here's another estimate based on formal stats

also notice how some rather high WHG populations like the Basques aren't that blue-eyed. it's clear that contemporary pigmentation was the result of complex mixing and subsequent selection (that's clear about light skin at least).

we still need more samples

>>70223737
it's mediated through different populations basically, Basques got it from actual WHGs(emphasis on W, western), Balts probably mostly from EHGs which in a simple 3 way model are best fit as WHG but where quite different

also EEF has WHG affinity

>>70223737
Yet guys dug up from Spain just-after-the-Ice-Age had blue eyes. The gene for which originated in the Baltic Sea area. Possibly by the Swiderian culture which Kunda is just a branch of, which later developed into Narva and then got Corded Ware Indo-Euro farmers.

>>70223862
of course. keep in mind it just uses ANE rather than EHG or Yamnaya and EEF is a complex pop as we know but the estimates are overall pretty good.

by the way, some people in the know say that the East Baltic samples that have been tested (but not published yet) were pure WHG. let's remember that W and E in this case aren't pure geographical designations after all, as you noted. Balts have high ancestry of the Loschbour/La Brana kind

>>70223946
well yeah, I agreed with you. WHG were fixed for light eyes, even modern Estonians and Finns aren't. but modern Basques aren't as light-eyed as say the English despite comparable levels of WHG

it's a complex matter

>>70223555

Southern Finland probably was Proto-Germanic and they gradually became Finnic speaking but I think this happened gradually and peacefully before 0 BC.
There was a migration from Estonia to Finland in early 1st millenium which brought new burial practices(not actually new to Finland, just updated version of the classic Tarandkalme) but I just don't believe this was the beginning of Finnic languages in Finland..

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>>70224299
ANE is different from EHG although with some relation

the thing is, the way these calculators works is basically to fit ancestry in a way that is statistically the best, often in a supervised way, so if you have eastern samples and you have to "put them in a box", so to speak, they fit the best with other WHGs, but this doesn't mean a certain population structure wasn't present, i.e if you plot the epipaleolithic foragers from Europe on a basic PCA you will see there is a western cluster and then an eastern one which is pretty differentiated

this is important since for instance among the foragers from Motala, Sweden, some had already the full depigmented package(light skin, light eyes, light hair) even before farmers arrived

>>70222288
turks are based af, whatever hatred you have towards them is irrational and is only based on some flawed perception of them being arabs

>>70224613
>ANE is different from EHG

yes, that was my point. since it used WHG and ANE rather than EHG (recall that EHG can be modelled as 75% ANE + 25% WHG), it will overrate the WHG a tad. but the Eastern Baltics do have a lot of genuine WHG-type ancestry

>this is important since for instance among the foragers from Motala, Sweden, some had already the full depigmented package(light skin, light eyes, light hair) even before farmers arrived

I don't recall the % of derived hair color alleles. the SHG were also fixed for blue eyes like the WHG true but their skin color alleles are so-and-so. farmers and yamnaya were basically fixed for SLC24A5 and had lower rates for SLC45A2 (don't recall exact percentages) while SHG had high percentages of both but were fixed for neither

and all 3 were darker than all modern Europeans on average, of course, based on the two major alleles

>>70224905
t.turk living in Binlan
make it less obvious next time

>>70224970
nope, give me one (1) real reason to dislike turks as a finn

>Turkey (or the Ottoman empire) acknowledged Finland on the 21st of February 1918, during the visit of the Finnish delegation searching support for the new state. A member of the delegation, professor J.J. Mikkola described the reception the delegation received in the following words : "The hospitality and friendliness was as from a fairytale. Everyone from the sultan to the journalists treated us Finns as dear northern relatives of the Turks, whom they met again after separation lasting for thousands of years." This despite the fact that officially Finland, as an ex-grand duchy of Russia, was still at war with Turkey.

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>>70222851
>The Eastern shores of the Baltics have the greatest affinity to Upper Paleolithic European Hunter-Gatherers
Daily reminder that it's Poles who have the highest affinity to the Aurignacians - the first modern human culture in Europe

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>make a thread to subtly bait anglophones
>spergs start sperging

>>70225173
>This despite the fact that officially Finland, as an ex-grand duchy of Russia, was still at war with Turkey
The enemy of my enemy is my friend,have you heard that?

>>70225404

>Aurignacians

Only because you're 30k years behind in evolution.

>>70225404
shame we seem to barely have any ancestry from those guys

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>>70225900

Speak for yourself

>>70225468
I have, I've met many Turks through mutual interests and hobbies and they're all very nice people.
>>70225497
Linguists in the 19th and 20th centuries generally asserted Finnish and Turkish to be related which is where that stemmed from, it's not like possessing Finland made any real impact on the Russian war effort.

>>70225404
>tfw R1a-M512 Karelian
feels herrenrasse

>>70225452
I didn't even notice at first that Britain was grouped together with Romance LMOA

>>70226302

Are you severely schizophrenic perhaps?
You're always saying native Europeans(I1 and I2) are subhuman and should have been gassed by R1a and N1c, and now you're bragging about being part native European?

>>70220274
Not in the slightest

They have the worst phonological diversity of all languages on Earth. Having only a handful of vowels and a very low number of consonents consonents with only monophthongs, no palatalization, no tonality, no gemination and only simple CV syllables just makes the language sound caveman-tier.

>>70226388
Aurignacids were obviously distinct from I1 untermenschen, presuming that chart is accurate.

>>70222355
The grammar is still German dude, besides, half of the French and Latin roots are only used for medical and scientific terms. It's still a Germanic language, just one that's been turned into a mutt vocab-wise.

>>70225452
I was able to ignore it at first, but then the French started memeing about it and I had to say something.

>>70228036
Don't give them yous

>>70226534
t. chink

>>70226534
There're a few Austronesian languages that have tones tho, Stat for example.

>>70220409
>he types in his language by slamming his face against a keyboard

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>>70225173
When me and my family went on a trip to Turkey, a turk and a russian tried to kidnap my aunt (After they offered to "help us carry our bags").

Besides that, everyone around them was a rude asshole unless they tried to sell us something.

>>70220155
INDO-gayropeans are shitskins themselves

>>70228674
t. Churka

>>70228834
churkas are also indo gayropeans

>>70220155
turkish is the most superior of all languages

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>>70221946
>It's very melodic and gentle.
>hungarian
>gentle
>melodic

>>70230513
deffy more so than slovak

>>70230926
Like you actually know anything about either, i grew up speaking both, you read /int/ memes. Fuck off

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>>70227890

>The grammar is still German dude

Which seems unlikely because English predates German by several hundred years

do you mean GERMANIC you illiterate nigger? Germanic and German are not synonymous words. Germanic languages are not descended from German.

>>70225173
because they are brown muslims with nothing in common with us? but at least some of them make good kebab

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>>70226302
>tfw R1a-M512 Karelian
Sorry, but again, it's Poles who are the most similar autosomally to that Karelian specimen

http://www.tropie.tarnow.opoka.org.pl/Genetic-similarity-to-R1a1-OleniOstrov.pdf

>>70220747
Who?

Shit, I just realized that, despite being irrelevant overall, finno - ugric people really do make up the bulk of non - indo european speaking people on /int

>>70231525
>English predates German by several hundred years
maybe like 100, but it was hardly anything like modern english and is really just "anglo-saxon". It really depends on when it is considered to be an early form of the language rather than part of something for both languages.

>>70236831
something else*