Why do Americans shun public transportation?

>>70040657
Because our country is fucking massive and it is better to have a car than taking a bus/train.

>F40PH
>not the pinnacle of railway engineering
Pleb

they think it's for peasants

Chances are I wouldn't risk my life riding a Russian or Chinese train.

>>70040657
Because there's no reason to develop a train net if you have developed airports and road net

>>70040657
Russian sapsan train is a fucking joke.

>>70040698
t. car lobby

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These things are dirty, they smell like pee, and most of the people who use them are homeless guys or ghetto nigs.

>>70040698
>Russia is small
>China is small

>>70040698
train is better than plane from NY to Washington i think.
Why dont you introduce?

>>70040657
In places that have it, we use it.

I would have to drive for hours to get to a train station.

>>70040834
Almost all of Russia's major cities are clustered. Meanwhile we have fuck-all between major cities.

>>70040837
we have Amtrak connecting all major cities

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>>70040802
Duh, that was hard.

>>70040834
I rather take a bus in the usa than risk a russian/chinese train, specially when the bridges are made off Styrofoam/crushed garbage.

>>70040846
>I would have to drive for hours to get to a train station.

That's no coincidence, you know. Remember to thank lobbyists.

>>70040837
It is more expensive and you have to sleep in it (sucks sleeping in trains when you buy it cheap).

Compared to say doing a roadtrip or taking a airplane for a few hours.

>>70040937
I have to drive 6 kilometers to get to another house, okay, I'll thank the lobbyist for that also.

>>70040857
It's 2400 miles between NYC and LA. Almost 800 miles between NYC and Chicago. You see...

>>70040657
Most areas in the country are too spread out so a car is more efficient. For greater distances a plane is faster. Also, convincing Americans to subsidize it like Europe does is a hard sell especially if they live nowhere near a rail line.

>>70040802
Wait, aren't you the country that invented the autobahn and the automobile industry accounts for like 40% of your total GDP?

>>70040837
Even with airport bullshit it's still quicker to fly. Our train tickets aren't that cheap either.

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Is it common to americans to do a road trip ALONE?

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>>70040657
American railroad network is used mainly for shipping merchandize. Take any FRET engine in France and it'll look a bit like the American one that's shown on that picture.

>>70040657
The railways are mainly for freight and the freight trains have the rights of way. It's hard to make a case for building thousands of miles of new high speed rail when there's already the freeways.

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>>70041072
Here are our largest cities. As you see they are far away

>>70041358
No, but it's fun to have a rode trip with your best buds.

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>>70040946
> sucks sleeping in trains
It's okay here

>>70041358
rip FFF

>>70040657
what's in your pic is not what people ride there on a daily basis. it is mostly overcrowded subways and buses full of crazy people. they are cucks.

>>70040657
>public transportation

What are you, some kind of godless commie?

We don't shun shit. It's just not practical. America's big as fuck.

>>70041403
The US freight railways are excellent and world-class. They recovered impressively after going bankrupt in the 1970s and being nationalized for a time.

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>>70041492
you can only put half an American on this couch, though

>>70041588
> not even electrified

>>70041421
We have planes that don't crash all the time so there is no need to use a train for long distances

It doesn't exist there because of car lobby. And Americans don't understand what they don't have. And what they don't understand - they dislike. They are like big dumb children.

>>70041586
>America's big as fuck
So is China. What's your point?

>>70041662
America was built for motor vehicles. Just look at how our cities/highways are developed. Spending millions of taxpayer dollars on a nationwide new method of transit is simply unpractical and unnecessary.

>>70041624
Again, the huge distances make it very impractical.

>>70040887
So much smaller yet so much better.

>>70041586
The real rationalisation isn't that America is big as fuck, it's that your towns are evenly distributed in 2 dimensions, which makes it hard to plan freight and commuter transport between population centres

My state is getting bullet trains on top of our already great transportation system, soon we will have better railroads than most countries

>>70041764
Although I don't see how a country that will be a Syrian colony in 30 years is better.

>>70041858
America's already Mexico 2.0.

>>70041786
what does it mean to be distributed in 2 dimensions? you mean to say they ahve more spread out population centreS?

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>>70041761
Why other large countries have it electrified?

>>70040657
Murrica was mostly developed after the invention of the autombile...so our infrastructure was designed to accommodate it. even in most cities here, a car is practically a necessity. Its part of why we are so fucking fat too, no one needs to walk anywhere

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>>70041931

>>70040657
Public transport isn't comfy at all and everyone who claims otherwise rides a fancy car with a private driver.

>>70041976
such majestic landmarks of american culture

>>70040785
Why? Nice train, I'm jealous.

>>70041976
Absolument dégoûtant

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>>70042043
Yeah I agree Switzerland has better landmarks.

>>70041976
You're preaching to the converted, friendo

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>>70042043
it's an old pic pour être honnête, nowadays it looks like that

>>70040777
B-but why? Our trains are ok, I don't remember any accidents with them.

Because gas is cheap

>>70042119
bad rep I guess, same with your airplanes.

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>>70042053
I rode this train in the Ukraine between Mariupol and Kiev (built for a soccer game if I understand correctly). It was a nice train, very clean and fast, but I preferred the slow old train you could smoke, sleep, and drink on.

>>70042141
tupolev planes actually had very good safety record considering how much hours they flight.

>>70042110
>>70041976
I was going to say, that picture looks oddly...70s-80s.

Why does /int/ think our public transportation is bad? It's really good, it's just no one uses it. There was a new train station built near my house a few years ago. No one is using it

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Beyond the complete garbage of their internal city planning, I think Americans are doing it correctly for long distance transport. They put their slow cargo on rails so that people can comfortably drive their own cars on the roads. In Europe you're pushed to walk to the train station to use passenger rail and be blown up by a suicide bomber so that transport trucks can clog our roads. It makes absolutely no sense. It's the exact opposite of what's supposed to happen. Fucking incompetent corporate socialists. Cargo on the rail, people on the road.

>>70042141
I don't know where did you hear anything about our trains tbqh. They are ok. Also our metro is really good.

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>>70042219
>Beyond the complete garbage of their internal city planning

Europe's much worse because of cities laid out in the Middle Ages.

>>70042246
Good enough to live in?

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Post your local train station /int/

Here's mine, I like it because it employs Canada's only architectural style, the "château style," a mix of French architecture from the Loire Valley and British gothic revival style.

If it's too far to drive then fly

>>70041662
China is big and still extremely poor apart from a few big towns.
Why are you even asking.

>>70041931
>no one CAN walk to anywhere
Fixed that fo you. You simply don't have the option with your limited infrastructure. A walkway is something between parking lot and Walmart, nothing more.

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>>70042306
Wouldn't you live in a piece of art?

>>70042219
>city built thousand years ago

Kill yourself, my city is 100 times more efficient than your ancient shithole

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>>70042306
kinda

>>70042306
Yes but too much police and security

>>70041976
what the fuck?

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>>70042324
There are 9 large train stations in my city for different directions. A lot of small ones.

>>70042367
And 1000 times as souless

>>70042433
>the russian soul
ah yes it is all about the soul kek

>>70042429
My train station services like 9 towns. It's cargo trains only except once a year in autumn when they run a dinner passenger tour.

They're racist snobs, what do you expect?

>>70042289
And that has nothing to do with transport with vehicles and public transport.

>>70042289
And we'd rather preserve our history instead of tearing everything down to make our movement slightly more convenient. You on the other hand had the chance to build cities from the ground up and still fucked it up.

>>70040657
We have planes

>>70042433
What do you mean by soulless? I'd rather have efficiency, cleanliness, and glass buildings than stone and wood shit.

Also tell me how his city has soul and mine doesnt?

>>70040822
You forgot immigrants.

>>70042365
>>70042368
Looks pretty tbqhwy

>>70042395
I'd imagine so what with what with all of those nazis, reds, bandits and mutant monsters

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>>70042324
This photo doesn't show all of it, but the other photos make it look ugly to be honest. I think this one was shot when it was newly renovated.

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>>70042519
>And we'd rather preserve our history instead of tearing everything down to make our movement slightly more convenient

We did help you get rid of old buildings and modernize once before. Give us and Russia a call if you need it again.

>>70042620
Also the clock with several feet of freely hanging wire to disappear into the wall somewhere else is a disgrace to our engineering, but it may just have only been a temporary solution.

>Be Britbong
>Have the first railway system in the world
>Have some of the shittiest trains & infrastructure
The Victorian era stations are beautiful, tho.

>>70040874
>we have a private company connecting the country so they can price gouge the consumer

god i love living in a country where public transportation keeps things reasonably priced. you can go 500km here on a train for $8

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>>70042657

DELETE THIS

>>70042620
Not what I would have expected from Germany honestly. Those colours and that balustrade look like something from Latin America.

>>70041928
The electricity comes mostly from coal so I'm not sure how generating power that way is that much better than the diesel. Also, overhead creates a height clearance problem.

>>70042712
Britain lost its lead as the world's industrial/technology leader by the end of the 19th century; the US and Germany had overtaken you.

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>>70042324

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>>70042657
And now Berlin is known as one of the most soulless, degenerate, ugly piles of shit in the country.

>meanwhile in non-bombed cities

>>70042657
He walked right into that one.

>>70042841
>city controlled by commies for half a century
>ugly as shit
Stop the presses.

>>70042094
Sure, because there are more mosques in Switzerland than parking in the USA.
So butthurt you slided into deep stupidity.

>>70042836
What is that around it? Snow? Water?

>>70042808
Electric trains are quieter and don't blow diesel smoke trough the rail cars they tow and the cities they pass through. Electric power can be generated where emissions are less important, and transported to where the air needs to stay clean. Even the Donald likes clean air. Diesel only makes sense on cargo trains.

>>70040834
China is very densely populated, and trains make sense. There are cities with several millions of inhabitants only a few hundred kilometers apart.
Russia only has one high speed rail line, and it goes between Moscow and St. Petersburg, which is at a distance where it barely becomes competitive with airplanes. I don't think it even qualifies as high speed rail because it's pretty slow.
In the US you could maybe have one line along a part of the East Coast or West Coast, where there are a bunch of fairly large cities in relatively close proximity. But most of the country is so sparsely populated that it would be a huge waste of money. I think even in most of Europe it is not really economically feasible to build high speed rail lines. In Spain for example, a massive amount of money was wasted by building these very modern rail lines that have no chance of ever making it back.

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Seattle's train station makes a great sleeping area for the homeless.

There's talk of Vancouver and Seattle getting together and building a proper rail line between our cities. Would be nice.....

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Russia

>>70040753
But no American is royalty...

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>>70042901
just isolating the building in the picture I think. This is how it looks at day including the surroundings

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>>70042324
it has 3 platforms behind it

>>70042917
> distance where it barely becomes competitive with airplanes
Train brings you right into center of city as opposed to airport which is located far from city. And you don't have to wait for luggade etc.
> Russia only has one high speed rail line
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strizh_(train)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lastochka

>>70042516
It does if you can't safely move a car down the streets never mind a bus or delivery truck.

>>70042991
"Americans have never embraced socialism because they see themselves as temporarily disadvantaged millionaires rather than exploited poor."

-- John Steinbeck

>>70040698

>driving is better than a bullet train

Relax, that bullet won't kill you.

>>70042519
>Hamburg
>Berlin
>Frankfurt
Munich and other cities aside, you have plenty of modern monstrosities.

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>>70042324

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>>70042324

Fuck Modernism.

>>70043115
>he doesn't get the purpose of pedestrian zones
"But society is awful and people only leave their houses to get away from it!"

The American transportation problem isn't an infrastructural problem, it's a social problem. You pricks are afraid of each other and hate each other.

>>70043200
Frankfurt isn't really a monstrosity. Besides some shit in the center.

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>>70042324
Named at 4.50pm on a friday afternoon

>>70043200
Most of these grew from you cunts bombing them to hell and back leaving their historical structure irrecoverable. When will you finally realize that your country is responsible for all the bad and especially all the ugly in the world?

>>70043263
>go on bus/train in Germany
>get stabbed/robbed/raped by refugees

I think I'll pass.

>>70042940
They need to work on the floors, there starting to sink in a bit

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>>70042324
get a load of this beauty

>>70043309
>Most of these grew from you cunts bombing them to hell

In other news, the South wasn't responsible for Sherman burning their cities and farms and they totally didn't start the war in the first pl...oh wait.

>>70043317
>go on bus/train in Germany
>999,999 of 1,000,000 people are normal

>don't go on bus/train in America
>because your society is segregated so far that only the homeless and ghetto scum use it

>>70042671
>but it may just have only been a temporary solution.
Unfortunately depending on whose in charge temporary sometimes becomes long term.

>>70042991
Closest you'll get are the boston brahmin families

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>>70043052
Getting from the center of Moscow to the airport, flying to St Petersburg, getting your baggage, then getting in to the center of St Petersburg is still quicker, but it is more of a hassle. Especially if you have a lot of baggage.

For trains to count as high speed rail, they need an average speed of more than 200 km/h. Otherwise the Americans also have lots of high speed rail.

>>70042731
Anglo-American and Soviet Demolition Company est. 1941.

>>70043260
Terrible

>>70043363
Except that the North was actually attacked by the South. You cunts only came to Europe

a) when the worst shit was already over and the Brits and Russians were already well on the way to pushing us back.
b) to get a piece of the winning cake.

You're all cowardly pricks.

>>70043406
They're irrelevant anyway; this isn't the 1800s.

>>70043148
You'd be triggered too, if you'd been shot in the past.

>>70043485
>it actually believes that Poland started the war by firing on German civilians in 1939

>>70042908
As others pointed out most of our rail is for freight. I'm in the Northeast so there is electric everywhere.

>>70043337
That's awful

>>70043376
America is big enough that we can put safe distance between ourselves and homeless/ghetto scum.

>>70042094
Looks better than the ones here

>>70043535
Was there ever a noteworthy attack by us or any European axis powers on you? You had your Pacific crap to deal with and no fucking business to fuck around in Europe, and you didn't save the world.

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>>70040657
As you can see, America only has four city areas, most of the interior is empty

>>70043591
Even in pacific, burgers did fuck all beside nukes and few atolles.

>>70043602
**Minneapolis**
**SLC**

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>>70043582
These are all the """mosques""" in my province

2 were formerly churhes and one was a medical supply depot.

>>70043591
You declared war on them

>>70043309
Some of your cities rebuilt to look like they did. I'm not sure why they all didn't. Also our great buddies the Ruskies did a lot of work in the east with their artillery.

>>70040837
>forcing other countries to do things your way when they've got things managed in their way

Ameriboo detected

>>70043667
You declared war on us. Did nothing.

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>>70043551
it's a minor station in a semi-rural town

I'd be angry if they spent 50 million dollars making something nice tb'h

Here's the main station in my town. Geelong used to be a major wool producer and the trains were mostly used to ship wool to melbourne, which had a much larger port.

>>70043602
why not connect those then

it wouod be viable, fruitful and cheaper that airlines

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>>70042324

Our Subway (Skytrain)'s main station

>people talking shit about the country with litterally GOAT freight train industry
Passanger trains wont ever be relevant because freight get track priority.

>>70043686
>I'm not sure why they all didn't.
Maybe it was because we just lost a war and had economic struggles to deal with so we couldn't afford pretty shit, also because after WW2 a great "everything conservative is nazi and evil" brainwashing began and we were told that soulless boxes are the cool new non-nazi thing.

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>>70042324
(1/2)

Suburban/urban sprawl is real. It is too late for many places built around car travel. It would take 20 minutes or more to get to a train station. Bus travel is also slower than car travel.

>>70040698
No

>tfw wont travel from NYC to DC on a comfy Russian overnight sleep train
Why even live
Russian railroads are max comfy

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>>70042324
>>70043777
(2/2)
We won't speak of the post apocalyptic hellhole known as Penn Station.

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>>70043745
Ah yes, the glory of American freight rails. Neglected for 70 years because running costs are for commies, but who cares!

>>70040890
Our bridges are not much better

>>70043844
Penn is just awful
Even PABT is less shit

>>70043844
>We won't speak of the post apocalyptic hellhole known as Penn Station.
Why not? I've seen all these lovely stations before, I'm not interested in international dick measuring contests. I want to see shithole stations from around the world.

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My state will be opening its first line this summer. This is privately funded btw as our government refused tot ake in federal money for high speed rails.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgOjoEx4pV0

>>70043485
Your retarded Fuhrer declared war on us after we rightfully declared war on Japan. Don't put his retardation on us.

>>70043622
>a Yuropoor thinks the Pacific War wasn't relevant because it didn't affect his country
Every time.

> tfw America could have it's own version of the Trans-siberian but refused the idea
>it could have been named the Oregon rai

why ?

>>70043962
*sinks in swamp*

>>70042110
Photo distance is different

>>70043992
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>>70043962
isn't France involved in some matter ?
i heard that the US gov asked our trainline to do the work

>>70043667
It seriously has to be one of the most idiotic moves in recent history.

>>70044009
Not even built near the swamp...yet.

>>70040698
The linear motor car is 500 km / h
It should be profitable enough

https://youtu.be/5CKwchJKTYU

>>70044052
more like
F R I G H T
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>>70044061
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>>70043602
lol wrongo

>>70042917
[Citation needed]

Also, hello Ameriboo Norge
How does it feel to defend us in every thread for free?

>>70043992
Lobbying from boxcar hobos

>>70044072
Japan attacking was stupider still, since they had a much less advanced military than Germany's.

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>>70043622
>Even in pacific, burgers did fuck all beside nukes and few atolles.
>Massive naval battles, amphibious landings on islands the Japanese fortified, fire bombing the shit out of Japan, Midway, etc.
>Fighting an enemy that starves , tortures and executes your troops and fly's planes into your ships.
>Nothing

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Why does every last thread on /int/ turn into an argument about WWII?

>>70043989
>burger thinks their part of pacific war was the only part

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>>70043989
>no American soil or civilians under attack apart from Pearl Harbor, and Hawaii wasn't even a state yet
>take four years to fight over a bunch of tiny islands in the Pacific
>none of your clashes are anywhere near the biggest or deadliest in the war
>still lose your temper at the end and start nuking civilians
>propagate your own "world saving heroism" at every opportunity for decades to come
>WE DA BEST

>>70043933
I just dont even have words to describe it. It's smelly, the layout is confusing as fuck, lots of shitty shops for some reason, always crowded, no seating area litterally anywhere, the AC is pretty much here and there, shit is pretty much impossible to navigate if you are a tourist, ugly as fuck that googling images of it shows original construction pictures.

>>70043962
They refused funding because they didn't like how Obama supported it, well at least the thing got built.

>>70043962
lel what

it's like it's advertising trains to people who've never used one before

is train usage really so uncommon?

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>>70044205
Autism

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>>70043933
Here you go.

>>70042917
>In Spain for example, a massive amount of money was wasted by building these very modern rail lines that have no chance of ever making it back.

There was so little demand for a HSR system in Spain and the project has been shilled so hard by both political parties for the past 20 years that I've always had the feeling that (((The EU))) had something to do with it, probably as part of a larger project to create a European HSR with the standard European gauge. The vast majority of our tracks are still Iberian gauge so I guess that rather than simply conveting them to standard they've been replacing them with HSR tracks, as regular train service has pretty much been discontinued where HSR lines are operating.

It is comfy af though. I don't even consider taking the plane for domestic flights anymore since a HSR trip is faster and more comfortable.

>>70044118
http://www.lemonde.fr/economie-francaise/article/2016/08/27/les-tgv-d-alstom-debarquent-aux-etats-unis_4988669_1656968.html
it 's in french but i'll translate
>Alstom has won a historic contract worth 1.8 billion euros to sell its high-speed trains in the United States, the group said on Friday (August 26th). The French manufacturer is entering an important market at a time when the construction of high-speed lines is growing rapidly worldwide.
the news was wrote in august 2016

>>70044210
>le nuking poor civilians meme
Not the person you are replying to, but dont you have a furcon to go to?

>>70044226
I'm Florida, yes.

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>>70044249
Also we hate the new one because pic related is the original Penn Station.

>>70044205
Because everyone beside krauts and japs see the part others took in the war blown out of proportion.

>>70044212
I do hate hard to navigate stations

>>70044249
looks fine from the outside tbph. Not my favourite style but not really ugly.

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>>70044289

>>70040657
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZe0R5aVDoM

>>70044198
The fighting was also exceptionally savage. My grandfather had a photo of some guys in his unit holding a severed Japanese head.

>>70044322
looks like a fucking mausoleum

but it is pretty cool

>>70044332
Inside its pretty horrible too. Hard to find pictures but its just straight up ugly almost like NYC subway level of ugly. I wish we had Moscow subway stations :/

>>70044279
You just lost the argument there, buddy.

>>70040657
Americans value liberty. Private motor vehicles bestow their users with a high degree of autonomy and independence - public transportation does not.

tl;dr: activate that thick skull of yours

>>70044161

It wasn't stupid per say, a lot of luck on your side played big role on the outgoing of the pacific war. Most of your carriers like the Enterprise, Saragota, Lexington and Halsey plus their entourage were on sea when the Japanese attacked. Some delayed due bad weather and some delivering planes.

Imagine those were laying in Pearl Harbor during the attack.

>>70041920
Well, essentially yes. The two dimensions refers to the geographical map of the US. And even distribution means that the population centers are scattered evenly on the map with minimal clustering.

>>70044395
The only point Im arguing is the nuking
If you think that it was not justified you know litterally zero about history.

>>70040657
Any sane person would do that. Public transportation should be banned.

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>>70044381
The inside was really nice too.

>>70044480
(you)

>>70044458
Over one million Americans and Japanese would have died in an invasion of Japan. It would not have been nice for all concerned by any stretch.

>>70044264
Iberian gauge was adobted so tracks wouldn't be so easy to use for invasion. It looks just adorable today.

>>70044161
To be fair Roosevelt wanted to enter the war. Everyone thought it was only a matter of time before he found the justification to go. Pearl Harbour gave him that justification, but if the attack had been more successful then it may have delayed the US more than doing nothing or trying to appease them.

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>>70043933
Well for one they destroyed the original nice looking one and threw MSG on it. It's mostly ugly concrete corridors and cramped stair cases down to the trains. The shops in it are shitty pizza places, some shitty shops and convenience stores. The first time I was in it water was dripping out of a huge crack in the overhead concrete.

Here is before

>>70044405
Where does freedom of movement end and geographic segregation by wealth begin? Also is it not true that Americans only care this much about freedom of movement to begin with because their city planning around cars made it necessary in the first place? Is a necessity still a freedom?

>>70044458
Why so blood-hungry, burger-kun?

>>70044524
And fewer people would've died if the world had surrendered to us. What's your fucking point, you shitbag?

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>>70043933
>>70044546
And now

>>70044524
Not to mention the imminent ruskie invasion too

>>70040657
They produce a large amount of cars. Which are all garbage and no one with atleast a bit of a brain would by it.
So to help its own manufactorys the burger gov literally blocked all ideas of good public transportation to push they own garbage cars on the burger population.

>>70041931
No, you are fat because you eat too much.
Don't get me wrong: your exercise habits are shit too. However the supposed connection between exercise and weight loss is a giant lie promoted by soda, candy and fast food companies that want to divert your attention from your shitty eating habits to your shitty exercising habits.

>>70044627
Yes...the atomic bombings were also done as a message to Stalin to keep his mitts off Japan.

>>70044332
>looks fine from the outside tbph. Not my favourite style but not really ugly.
Most of what you see is Madison Square Garden.

>>70044546
>>70044617
It's certainly much nicer. Why'd they replace it?

>>70044642
>Which are all garbage and no one with atleast a bit of a brain would by it

You ever seen the inside of a Porsche? It's all thin plastic in there for the low, low price of $90,000.

>>70044289
We hate a commuters rail on the east coast of Florida.

>>70044527

Don't fall for the meme. Here's what the 1843 report stated:

>Nosotros hemos adoptado 6 pies, porque sin aumentar considerablemente los gastos de establecimiento del camino, permite locomotoras de dimensiones suficientes para producir en un tiempo dado la cantidad de vapor bastante para obtener con la misma carga una velocidad mayor que la que podría conseguirse con las vías de 4,25 pies, propuesta por una de las empresas que ha hecho proposiciones al Gobierno; y mayor también de la que podría emplearse con las de 5,17 pies que más frecuentemente se han usado hasta ahora; consiguiéndose además, que sin disminuir la estabilidad se puede hacer mayor el diámetro de las ruedas, lo que también conduce a aumentar la velocidad.

tl;dr: they argued that a broader gauge would allow for larger locomotives and increasing wheel diameter without compromising stability. It had nothing to do with preventing invasions.

>>70044567
Hey, if I could take a train or bus to uni in a timely manner it would be great. Reality is a car in addition to a highway/toll road is just faster.

You can almost go anywhere in France by public transportation.

Some cities like Strasbourg have such good public transportation that a car is useless.

Only 78,26 km2 and we have 6 tramway lines and 27 bus lines

>>70044749
Yeah I know about our one north south line. It will never be useful to me though.

>>70044546
>always think that it's supposed to read 'crammed' and not 'cramped' whenever someone writes 'cramped' because it has nothing to do with cramps and a lot to do with cramming
>turns out 'cramped' is correct after all
Who the fuck thought this was a good idea? Is this the same bullshit as "spitting image"?

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>>70042324
My city is a mess when it comes to rail. We have a gigantic rail yard downtown and most of the rail is from there, HOWEVER...it's almost all freight. There's only one passenger rail that connects downtown, and it only goes to one other city.

To connect to the rest of the country, you need to leave from the shack of a station in the industrial East end.

Pic is the downtown terminal (connects to one other city, local transit terminal is a few blocks away).

>>70044725
I'm pretty sure they wanted to put MSG there and aesthetics and a not confusing layout be damned. Penn is pretty muchuniversally loathed and they keep talking about moving it to the area of a former post office across the street.

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>>70044883
And here's the terminal that connects us to the rest of the country, which is hidden away behind a storage yard in the industrial end.

>>70044567
>Where does freedom of movement end and geographic segregation by wealth begin?
What exactly are you implying?
>Also is it not true that Americans only care this much about freedom of movement to begin with because their city planning around cars made it necessary in the first place?
Their cities are planned around cars as a consequence of their preference for detached, spacious and nature-close living. Furthermore, Americans (sans blacks until 1865) were free to cross county, state and national borders long before the average Europoor enjoyed uninfringed right of unhindered travel; this fact undoubtedly contributed to their disdain for centralized solutions to transportation and dwelling.

>Is a necessity still a freedom?
We´re not discussing necessities.

>>70044878
Probably. English is a mongrel language that borrows from it's conquerers, conquered and immigrants.

>>70040753
In this country it is.

>>70044974
>were free to cross county, state and national borders long before the average Europoor enjoyed uninfringed right of unhindered travel

This is true; we didn't have to ask permission from our local king or knight to visit the neighboring state.

>>70044996
My dad knew a French guy who said people there are increasingly just using English terminology for things because it's shorter and easier to pronounce that the equivalent French term.

>>70044974
>What exactly are you implying?
That the individual automotive transportation enabled them to further cement their social classes through seperated living by income. Suddenly everyone with even moderate money could move away from the poorer parts of society and forget about them, and those who couldn't afford it got stuck inbetween rising criminality with no chance of mobility.

Round here apart from the snobs in their new detached housing streets out in the field you'll find all cuts of people sharing neighborhoods and even apartment blocks, and it acts as social glue.

>>70044996
Soon it will be everyone's language, in a new form that nobody will recognize

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>>70044916
Yep, the James Farley PO.

>>70045205

>>70043570

>>70045205
>That the individual automotive transportation enabled them to further cement their social classes through seperated living by income.
Socioeconomic segregation has been the status quo since the dawn of man. Similarities attract. Dumb people attract dumb people, smart people attract smart people.

>Suddenly everyone with even moderate money could move away from the poorer parts of society and forget about them, and those who couldn't afford it got stuck inbetween rising criminality with no chance of mobility.
That´s no excuse. Welfare affords everyone - including ghetto blacks - not working smack middle in a metropolitan city the chance to purchase, own and operate a car.

>Round here apart from the snobs in their new detached housing streets out in the field you'll find all cuts of people sharing neighborhoods and even apartment blocks, and it acts as social glue.
Not all houses are alike. Living in a similar form of housing does not magically lump the elite, middle class and unenmployed poor into the same neighborhood. In short, you´re naive, stupid and full of shit.

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>>70040657
>Why do Americans shun public transportation?
They've been brainwashed and conditioned by motor companies (and oil companies) to do so.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_streetcar_conspiracy

Car manufacturing companies decided that public transport is a threat to their existence and scrapped in completely.

Promotion of massive urban sprawls and poor city planning made the ever-delayed coming-back even less attractive/efficient.

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>>70042324
actual trash

>>70045552
I mean, really. Europe historically was far more class-segregated than the US.

>>70045596
>>>/x/

>>70045552
Okay, our crime must be lower and socioeconomic mobility be higher than in the US for unrelated reasons then. Probably the weather.

>>70042908
On such massive machine like a train engine you can make the diesel engine incredibly efficient and (if regulations are in place) very eco-friendly.

It's a problem with personal vehicles like cars and bikes because there's a space/cost constraint, so you can't just put a 100kg+ of red hot platinum cat converter and call it a day.

>>70040946
>sleep
>Acela express

Shut up retard

>>70045642
Historically, but nowadays your crooked so-called capitalism takes the crown for a bullshit society in the western world.

>>70045676
t. general motors corporation

>>70044749
Why do you hate it? Seems useful.

>>70045685
>Okay, our crime must be lower and socioeconomic mobility be higher than in the US for unrelated reasons then. Probably the weather.

Germany is a _bit_ smaller country than the US, also has a less individualistic culture.

>>70045676
He's right, though.

>>70045596
True story

>>70045875
Even if that had been true in the 1950s, it wouldn't have much relevance over 60 years later.

>>70045851
What does country size have to do with crime rate? If anything, your crime rate should be lower because you're living further apart and seperated by wealth.

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>>70045946
Except that you haven't changed your urban planning in the meantime. Phoenix is both the fastest growing and worst sprawling metro in your country. I can't wait for the last of your moronic sprawling boomer fucktards to die.

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>>70042324
they built it above the tracks, because why the fuck not?

>>70042219
You gay retarded Ameriboo

18 wheelers clog the fuck out the freeways near cities, and we use them to haul inter city plenty as well

>>70045685
>Okay, our crime must be lower
You don´t have a bl*ck/hisp*an*c problem. Good for you.
>and socioeconomic mobility be higher than in the US
>trusting metrics conjured by socialists
Average Americans are wealthier than Average Germans. They´re not jealous of you.

>>70046014
>I can't wait for the last of your moronic sprawling boomer fucktards to die
You must be 18 to use this website.

>>70046073
Average Americans are also more endebted than me.

>>70046073
>>70045955
Crime rates were significantly higher in the 70s-80s than today.

>>70045946
It would have a fuck ton of relevance.

If you've been using a car 30+ years of your life what incentive would it give you to make a switch to public transport?

If for the last 60 years your urban area developed and expanded with the car in mind (huge distances to cover everywhere, urban sprawl) do you know how fuckhuge of an issue would it be to make a system of public transport that's efficient, brings money and is attractive to users?

It's a different thing in europe where you don't have a bus/tram stop right outside your home you just have to walk a few streets but the few streets are 150m apart so in total you have to cover 300 meters tops.

In america those "few streets apart" total to a fuckhuge distance of something like 1km+ to get to your designated bus stop.

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>>70045955
>What does country size have to do with crime rate?
America is not a homogenous entity, which is why you can´t compare it to a single country on a large continent.

Furthermore, plenty of US states are safer than Germany across the board.
> If anything, your crime rate should be lower because you're living further apart and seperated by wealth.
Crime occurs in densely populated areas, doofus. Living in a spread-out fashion doesn´t rid democrat-run cities of gangbanger-shootings.

>>70042836
Looks like something out of Minecraft

I'll just leave this here

https://mises.org/blog/how-us-states-compare-foreign-countries-size-and-gdp

>>70043317
you have a bigger chance of dying from lung cancer than dying from /pol/ memes

>>70046105
They are also wealthier than you.

Same reason why they shun universal healthcare :^)

Poor people would benefit from it and companies would make slightly less money :^)

>>70043989
>Thanks to Germany European powers are in ruins.
>Japs attack some colonies that can't be defended by their home countries
>Australians hold them off just fine for a long time even, and they lost to birds

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Greetings from Shitholia, where there is no competition with the state owned train shit we have.

>>70040698
kek

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>>70046166
>In america those "few streets apart" total to a fuckhuge distance of something like 1km+ to get to your designated bus stop
Yes, this is a slightly larger country than Pooland.

>>70046179
>Furthermore, plenty of US states are safer than Germany across the board.
Nope. The safest states like Maine or whatever they are baaaarely get close to us. And that includes all our shitskin scum.

>>70046166
I can walk that no problem

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>>70045840
I use it to get to work otherwise I'll be sitting in traffic for three hours. Pic related of what our commuter train looks like with multiple stops across Southeast Florida.

The new train that was just built only stop at major cities in Florida. So we they built 3 stops and the next stop will expand to Orlando and eventually Tampa and Jacksonville.

>>70046233
We have that. It's called Medicare and Medicaid.

>>70046289
This country is very safe if you avoid nigger sections of big cities which nobody in their right mind visits anyway.

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>>70044939
Is this soviet russia?

>>70046285
Not relevant.

Efficient public transportation exists in cities with 50+ thousand populations just as it exists in cities of 8+ million.

>>70046445
>shifting the goalposts
You just said in your own post that:

>In america those "few streets apart" total to a fuckhuge distance of something like 1km+ to get to your designated bus stop.

Therefore you agree with me that this country has much bigger distances than Germany and Poland.

>>70046410
>tfw you can't see milky way

>>70046355
>"this country is very safe but"

then it's not safe.

if youre black/brown noone will tell you "well poland is safe for brown/black folks but don't be outside after nightfall" because those two statements contradict each other.

>>70046320
>universal

>>70043885
But still not made of actual garbage

http://www.weirdasianews.com/2010/02/05/shanghai-wonderbridge-trash-collapses/

>>70046518
That was my counter-argument to your abysmally retarded statement that the conspiracy of motor/oil companies against public transport has no relevance in contemporary US because it happened in the 1950s.

If fucking does.
So buddy, stop shifting the goalposts.

>>70044651
This.

Diet is by far the most important aspect of a healthy life. Exercise is just seasoning

The confederacy has over 100 MILLION people in an area the size of one or two European countries.

New England is similar in that is has several large cities close together, and a high overall population for it's size.

Yet rail does not exist because "hurr durr America is spread out!" It's like people up here that justify insane telcom prices because "Canada is sooo spread out!" No, fuck off. Half the country is concentrated in an area the size of Poland across.

It's just companies and governments not wanting to spend the money, and people being retarded thinking the shit we put up with is acceptable.

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>>70042324
Impossible to get a good angle on it since it's fuckhuge

>>70046617
t. lard ass

>>70046621
>It's just companies and governments not wanting to spend the money

The amount of money required would be ginormous. This isn't the 19th century where you could just build rail lines anywhere you pleased and pay Irish/chink workers $1 a day wages.

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>>70042368
Stop posting this bullshit, please. I've never seen such a pretty and clean interior in any russian train. Usually you get something like this.

>>70046748
t. DF

>>70046568
Welcome to the wonders of socialist central planning.

>>70046528
>then it's not safe.
Safe for anyone with half a brain; unsafe for the darwin award nominee.

>if youre black/brown noone will tell you "well poland is safe for brown/black folks but don't be outside after nightfall" because those two statements contradict each other.
Fair-skinned caucasians, the majority ethnic group in the US, are safer, wealthier and freer than your average cumskin pole.

PS. Black Americans need not be afraid of nightfall, lest they live in a black-dense area. The white-on-black crime you are describing isn´t common at all in the US.

>>70046528
Like I said, crime was much worse in the 70s-80s than today.

>>70040742
Back to 1 chan

>>70040698
What about the Northeast? It's densely populated

>>70046893
They have commuter rail in NYC and Philly though.

>>70046786
I see no problem here

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>>70042324
I hate Harry Potter so much

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>>70046893
It has also served as the home of men such as John Stark, who said "Live free or die; death is not the worst of evils". How can you expect free men to take the train? Fucking welfare state-condoning scum.

>>70047084
[spoiler]NINE AND THREE-QUARTERS[/spoiler]

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>>70042324
Well...

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It's OK. we are working on the hyperloop.

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>>70047220
>hyperpoop

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>>70047220
>the tubes will become real and not metaphorical

>>70044094
holy shit they are acutally using these? I thought they never made it past testing.

>>70044094
nippon banzai based as always.

I fucking wish our railways were capable of half the speeds of that thing.

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>>70043200
>Hamburg
>Yes, hello, of course I have no idea what I'm talking about