(autistic EU screeching intensifies)

>>70025658
The funny thing about all this is thay before the Bolsheviks came to power, the US and Russia were close allies.

>american-russian alliance could conquer the entire universe and kill all the ayy lmaos in the other galaxies

>>70025683
We were all friends with Tsarist Russia.

We even sent over some troops to help them fight the commies during the civil war

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Siberian_Expeditionary_Force

>>70025853
Britain and its commonwealth hated Russia, ended up on their side due to German autism though.

>>70025658
>its a "/pol/ invades /int/ at night" episode

fuck off

>>70025853
they were never allies, they just sent troops because they wanted to bring Russia back into ww1 to keep the second front going.

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>>70025853
Fuck the left for ruining everything.

>>70025896
>>70025902
Yeah I didn't mean "friends" too literally.

Point is the commies ruined everything so fuck them

>>70025902
>m-muh /pol/ boogeyman

kill yourself

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Empire–United_States_relations#19th_century

We were allies with Russia.They even helped us during the civil war.

>>70025910
>>70025961
>bitching about "the left"
/pol/fag detected

sage'd

>>70025961
Even before they helped us against the UK


>In 1781, Britain attempted to bribe Russia to gain its assistance. Distressed and realizing that they were close to losing the war and their American colonies, James Harris asked if a piece of British territory could convince Russia to join the fight on the side of England. Offering the island of Minorca, Harris did not request soldiers in exchange; this time Britain simply asked that Russia convince France to exit the war and force the American rebels to fight alone. Perhaps revealing her secret desire to have the American colonists gain their independence, Catherine used Harris' proposal to embarrass Britain. She declined Harris’ offer and published Britain’s attempts at bribery to the French and Spanish.[12]

>>70025994
Get a free helicopter ride you disgusting leftishit. Fuck you and your revolution.

Ironically,taking bismark into account,The eu should be best allies with britain and russia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_intervention_in_the_Russian_Civil_War

May Lenin and Trotsky rot in shit. Fucking disgusting kikes.

>>70025683
except they didn't have someone like putin back then
allies witn putin
are you fucking kidding me

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>>70026032
>proving my point further

>"get a helicopter ride"
Trust me, it's much more likely that you'll be GULAG'D

>>70026059
rare?

>>70025910
>a backward and uneducated nation becomes a military and industrial power house in a few short years
>ruined
They rivaled you guys in the Space Race, that's pretty good for a country that was basically feudal 50 years before hand.

>>70026107
No,my countrymen are at work salving away

>>70026080
And?
Putin isn't a communist or a socialist. Russia is more friendly to startups and corporations now than California at this point.

All because of Crimea? A territory which was populated mainly by Russian nationals who voted to be part of Russia?

We did similar and even worse occupations all the time in Latin America. Hell look at Puerto Rico, Guam or Hawaii.

>i-it's ok when we do it though

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>>70026099
>left rapidly losing influence
>even in europe

>>70026147
You forgot Cuba too.

>>70025658
americans, do you like or dislike Putin? Do you respect him?
If you don't like him, whom would you like on president post in Russia?

I think Putin is the best for Russia in the coming years. No one can govern Russia better, all candidates definitely fags without their own program.

>>70026124
>backwards and educated

Nonsense. Tsarist Russia was a great power at the time.

>>70026191
I don't hate him. I see no reason to beef with him and think a closer cooperation would benefit us both economically.

Imagine if there was a foreign entity with an American majority that wished to be part of America but the ruling powers of the country wouldn't let them.

This is exactly the Crimea situation. We would've invaded such a hypothetical entity to protect our interests too.

>>70026147
I think crimea people voted to be part of Russia moslty because they not to be part of Ukraine - in russia people have more money and pay less taxes. It is better for live in.

>>70026205
uneducated*

>>70026205
Yeah because it was geographically important and had a huge population. Their literacy rate was still garbage and the Soviets changed that.

>>70026249
I see many benefits for russia in crimea situation. My father tell me that the main reason to annex crimea to russia is the impact of NATO. It would be serious worldwide problem if nato have soldiers in Crimea. Russian influence supports parity.

>>70026273
do not want to be *

>>70026323
Correlation and causation.

Virtually all of the European, NA and every other great power nations that did not become socialist or comminist had better literacy and education rates.

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This is real flag of russiya

>>70026470
Looks like a Habsburg flag on top of a white strip

>>70026437
>had better literacy and education rates.
Until the Soviet Union came along and started programs to end illiteracy. After 1917, the rate massively went up throughout Russia and by the 1950s was at 100%.

>>70026470
i don't think so. It is imperialistic flag, but imperialistic russia infringe on the rights of people. https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A7%D1%91%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%BE-%D0%B6%D1%91%D0%BB%D1%82%D0%BE-%D0%B1%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D1%84%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B3

rest in pieces old rosiya
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUKQIlHu3tk

>>70026437
soviet math and physics education is the best. I think, in all natural science.

>>70026598
It is doubtful

>>70026547
And around the same time many countries saw their literacy and education rates improve. WW1 fucked things up massively in Tsarist Russia.

Nazi Germany had a better literacy and education rate than the USSR. So did Weimar Germany after they defeated the communist revolution.

Stop confusing correlation and causation idiot.

>>70026598
Nah, I'd give that to the west (including Nazis), but soviets did have good scientists.

> Americans, do you like or dislike Putin?
Dislike. Every second he's president Russia is stagnating and getting passed by other countries with better economies.
> Do you respect him?
Fuck no, he's a crook and an oligarch shill.
>If you don't like him, whom would you like on president post in Russia?
Anyone who is not a puppet for Pootin (e.g. No Medvedev)

>>70026620
Communists industrialised Russia and turned it into a developed country

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>>70026659
because of sanctions

>>70026620
>WW1 fucked things up massively in Tsarist Russia
The Tsar raised the cost of tuition fees to make it impossible for serfs and peasants to go to school. It's not causation-correlation, the guy ruined it himself after facing political resistance. Even then, schools were mostly run by the clergy. If you wanted an actual education, you had to look to revolutionaries for it.

The Likbez campaign combined with free schooling the Soviet Union changed things drastically.

>Stop confusing correlation and causation idiot.
Stop defending the shitty Tsar, you idiot. He was clearly fucking incompetent and liked keeping his people feudal.

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>>70026676
>ussr was a developed country

>>70026191
I dislike but also respect him.

I'm also pretty sure Russkies are incapable of democracy and Putin is pretty much what you deserve.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDQ7hXMLxGc

i heard that /pol/ is more socialists than libertarians is that true?

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>>70026706
>Destruction of the economy during the Russian Civil War and War communism years led to a sharp drop in the number of schools and enrolled students. Whereas in 1914, 91% of the children were receiving instruction in the schools, in 1918 figure dropped to 62%, in 1919 to 49% and in 1920 to 24.9%.[9] As a result, illiteracy grew rapidly

The illiteracy rates was because of the many wars that happened during ths tsarist period.

Oh look. See after the collapse of the USSR literacy rates grew massively again.

Again, virtually every non-communist country during the same period had better literacy and education rates.

>>70026689
And why do you think Russia gets sanctioned dumbass?

The dumbass orange chimp they picked as their Manchurian candidate will be impeached eventually and they'll get just get sanctioned again for whatever pointless war of aggression they start next.

>>70026848
Because of stupid shit like annexing a Russian majority region that wanted to be a part of Russia and even voted for it who were being oppressed by the Ukrainian government?

>>70026841
the ussr collapsed in 1991 and the heightening literacy was already happening before hand

show a chart that goes from the 80s

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>>70026877
>"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""voted for it"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""

t. putin

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>>70026877
+10 rubles ( -5 because no whataboutism )

>>70026921
So? It continued increasing when communism collapsed. If communism was responisble for Russia's increase in literacy rates you should see a decrease. It had nothing to do with communism.

If Tsarist Russia became Fascist after WW1, you'd see a rise in literacy rates too. It merely reflected the same trend seen in other non-communist countries.

>>70026967
>i-it's all rigged and false

You already embarassed yourself when you claimed this was the case for Trump winning many purple states. Good job being a conspiratard.

>According to the (2001 census), the ethnic makeup of Crimea's population consists of the following self-reported groups: Russians:1.18 million (58.3%), Ukrainians: 492,200 (24.3%), Crimean Tatars: 243,400 (12.0%), Belarusians: 29,200 (1.4%), other Tatars: 11,000 (0.5%), Armenians: 8,700 (0.4%).

>>70026379
Do not lie, kremlebot
Mercantile hohols believed the promises of the rich life in Russia, they were deceived. Their income is still low and prices have risen as a fuck.
They thought that in 20 years Russia has not changed, that is socialism. But now Russian capitalism.

>>70027048
>" when you claimed this was the case for Trump winning many purple states"

Do you have any idea how time works at all you absolutely retarded faggot?

>2014 crimean referendum
>2016 united states presidential election

Tell me which one came first, and try actual proof next time rather than just relating it to something vaguely similar and telling me what I think, faggot.

>>70027105
You have yet to offer any evidence that the crimean referendum was false or rigged you fucking idiot. The onus is on you dipshit.

>>70027197
You kremlebot or washed RT white trash?

>>70027105
>>70027197
>According to the Gallup's survey performed on 21–27 April, 82.8% of Crimean people consider the referendum results reflecting most Crimeans’ views,[151] and 73.9% of Crimeans say Crimea’s becoming part of Russia will make life better for themselves and their families, just 5.5% disagree.[151]
>According to survey carried out by Pew Research Center in April 2014, majority of Crimean residents say the referendum was free and fair (91%) and that the government in Kyiv ought to recognize the results of the vote (88%).[152]

Are both of these organizations funded by Russia now you stupid cretinous fuck?

>>70027105
>>70027259
>>70027266
>A poll of the Crimean public was taken by the Ukrainian branch of Germany's biggest market research organization, GfK, on 16–22 January 2015. According to its results: "Eighty-two percent of those polled said they fully supported Crimea's inclusion in Russia, and another 11 percent expressed partial support. Only 4 percent spoke out against it. ... Fifty-one percent reported their well-being had improved in the past year."[153]

>>70027197
http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidadesnik/2014/03/18/how-russia-rigged-crimean-referendum/#5c98b4f77f63

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/ukraine-leaked-un-report-declares-russia-rigged-crimea-referendum-1444651

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/mar/17/crimea-referendum-sham-display-democracy-ukraine

http://www.businessinsider.com/un-hints-russia-may-have-rigged-crimea-vote-2014-4

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/05/06/russian-government-agency-reveals-fraudulent-nature-of-the-crimean-referendum-results/

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2014/04/14/UN-report-Russia-rigged-Crimea-vote/4511397498675/

https://sputniknews.com/world/20140414189212054-Leaked-UN-Report-Claims-Russia-Rigged-Crimea-Referendum/

>inb4 you dont actually respond but just put the name of the sources in meme arrows and think thats an argument

>inb4 "muh western media" and "if its not RT its not true"

>>70027287
>16–22 January 2015
During this two years we have received new sanctions and falling oil prices.

Prime-minister said crimean grandmothers "suffering and hope for best" when they complained that their pension is 100$.

>>70027319
>speculations and hints
>blogs

Into the fucking trash it goes. I gave you polls by three independent organizations.

Here check out the 1994 referendum that was about Crimea obtaining greater autonomy from the rest of the Ukraine, and whether they shpuld retain Russian citizenship.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_referendum,_1994

It was approved. Did Putin and Russia rig that too?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_sovereignty_referendum,_1991

The turnout was about 81.5% compared to 83% in 2014.

Was the high turnout back then rigged too you fucking imbecile?

>>70027488
Russia wasn't occupying Crimea either of those times, kremlinbot.

>>70027488
Many people are afraid to express their opinions in order to avoid a prison sentence for "extremism." Extremists is any person who writes a blog that power in Russia shit. 5-10 years in prison.

>>70027564
You missed the point like a fucking retard.

You highlighted the high voter turnout as "DUDE THIS IS THE SMOKING GUN THAT RUSSIA RIGGED THE ELECTIONS" yet I gave you a referendum from 1991 with virtually the same voter turnout compared to the 2014 one.

I gave you polling results by three independent organizations (one of which was a Ukrainian of a German research organization) that polled residents the great majority of which said they supported Crimean inclusion into Russia.

>"w-why would a region with the and had a great majority of Russians want to rejoin Russia"

I don't know. Must be fucking rocket science!

Never did I link RT or any pro-russian sources. I used independent organizations. You gish-galloped with blogs and articles from people with obvious agenda. Libtards, Leftishits, and Neocon faggots.

I hope we become good allies simply because I'd like more russian friends

>>70027717
You suck dick gay Volodin? As the taste of his sperm?

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>>70027661
>three anonymous randomized polls
>"p-putin will kidnap them and sent them to siberia"

>>70027753
Good rebuttal! Let me report your IP to the FSB for daring to insult the glorious leader.

>2008: 63.8% of Crimeans would like Crimea to secede from Ukraine and join Russia and 53.8% would like to preserve its current status, but with expanded powers and rights


http://www.razumkov.org.ua/eng/files/category_journal/NSD104_eng_2.pdf

Putin rigged this too guys.

>>70027868
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Razumkov_Centre

Secretly funded by Putin.

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>>70025658

America and Russia have always historically been very close allies. The geopolitical scenario is just right to where our countries have never and literally will never be in conflict with each other.

best friends rossiya <3

Let me get this. You guys don't want mexicans but let ruskies hack your elections so they can put a puppet in the presidency that won't do shit when North korea, China and Russia start doing shit.

>>70028314
Amerifats are extremely stupid, it's no meme.
More than half of Americans can't spell their own names.

>>70028314

one of the problems you described is permanent and the other is temporary. obviously the threat of mexicans coming here is much more dangerous because its harder to reverse than a puppet president

so what you are gonna get after sucking putins dick and saying farewell to the eu, china, and japan. will you invest a vast amount of money in russia for almost nothing in return? and in the uk too? its fecking weird that you care much more about an existing economic shithole and an upcoming one to make something great again

>>70025658
OY VEY

I love murrica :3

>>70028611
You better start building those Evangelions Japan, because Trump will let North Korea and China rape your ass without heitate.

>>70028314
>he fell for the hack fake news

>>70028683
huh?

>>70028694
Let's say that was fake, but it's clear there are some interest involving Putin and Trump, and the fact that he already said he won't intervene if Europe is in risk tells you something.


Was it fake he went broke god knows how many times? Was it fake he didn't pay taxes? Is it fake he is pissing of China

>>70026689
That's their own fault for causing conflict.

>>70028822

Soviet Union created Ukraine. Russia never consented to giving away those territories, so it's not wrong of them to retake them.

>>70028816
You're an idiot holy shit.

>>70027410
And in Ukraine pensions are even lower.

apart from baltics and poles nobody gives a shit about russia
and nobody gives a shit about murrica
nice thread

>>70026124
You do realize the modernization process of the Soviet people would have happened even if the whote movement won right? Political scientists at the time (especially German) were noticing the Russian way of life was modernizing very fast and would soon be able to match the western powers. Had ww1 not have happened some estimate that russian would be on Austro-Hungarian level of development by 1925.

>>70028816
You don't know the difference between chapter 11 or 13 bankruptcies do you? You don't know about NOL tax law do you?

You're as dumb as your chicano cousins here.

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>>70025658
Leave good russian relations to me

>>70030763
>Soviet Union created Ukraine
?
What is the ZUNR, UNR, and 1918 hetmanate?

>Russia never consented to giving away those territories
Out of the 13 representatives who arrived at the meeting that set the transfer in motion they all agreed to transfer Crimea.

Article 18 of the Russian Soviet Republic was not broken and was backed by Soviet article 22 and 23.

>>70028816
China is allied with Russia though. That's the only thing I find odd in all this. Trump definitely seems shady with how all his views are so favorable for Russia but he is very antagonistic towards their number one ally. I don't think Putin has complained at all though, maybe he thinks China got too strong and wants to knock them down a notch too.

He has to realize that Trump's friendship won't last forever though, it will all be undone by the next president.

>>70025658
I like USA more than EU tbqh

>>70025658
top cuck, Reagan is rolling in his grave

>>70032687
Another thing is that he is so scrutinized and attacked about being a puppet daily, it's hard to believe a guilty person would be so brazen about continuing the same rhetoric under the circumstances.

>>70032708
Same. The EU is a bad joke. We have a lot of Russians because of NASA. You are welcome here.

t. Texas

>>70026323
Nope. The soviets only continued the process which was already in place.

>>70026147
>voted to be part of Russia?
With Russian-armed "observers" at all the polls? That whole vote was a fraud. How much is Putin paying you to post these days?

Why would the USA ally with Russia though?
They don't have an economy, you don't need their natural resources and they aren't a threat to the USA.

You're just ruining your relationship with Europe with no real benefits.

>>70025658
Politics aside, I unironically dislike Americans.
You're a bunch of delusional, loud chimps. Kinda like Russians, but then again, I dislike my own people as well so go figure

>>70034253
I think chances are the USA allying with Russia would have the opposite of the intended effects. Just like most American interventions.

The EU is forced to cozy up to Russia. The relationships with the EU and Russia improve (after all, some nations like Germany need Russia for their resources). And the USA loses their influence over Europe.

>>70034335
Because let's face it. It's always the USA that seeks to divide Russia and the EU.

>>70025658
we get it, you're autistic

>>70026147
>Russia is more friendly to startups and corporations now than California at this point.
kek

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>>70028239

sure

>>70034355
Welp. I have to agree with you. To be fair, the EU is doing a great job destroying itself atm. I have family in the EU and I hate to see it struggle, but ffs take the gun out of your mouth.
>I am 100% against all US military in Europe btw

>>70034513
inb4 Russians trying to dismiss this shit with
>dugin
>implying he's not just a meme
>implying anyone takes him seriously

>>70034513
what book?

>>70034580
Well, the EU knows exactly what it needs to do. But the spineless cowards refuse to do it. So if they keep it up there wont be an EU anymore in 5 years.

>>70034604
But Dugin is a meme and nobody takes him seriously

>>70034606

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics

>>70034645
sure thing

daily reminder that anglos will always betray you in the end

>>70034621
Again, I agree. We'll see what happens with this years elections. I can see some major division in the central countries or mass -xit movements
>>70034645
Neo-bolshivism is interesting, but it will never happen.

>>70034705
I thought we were friends Suomi-bro?

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>>70034652
>a geopolitical book by Alexander Dugin
come on

>>70026720
Trump is what the US deserves. Get ready to grab your ankles.

>>70034652
>having a long English article about a book nobody cares in Russia about
what did they mean by this

>>70034748

league of nations betrayed us once,and thats all the evidence i need

i like russia,sweden and united states,but i do not trust them,all of them have backstabbed us and will do it again if it fits their intrests,thats why trusting NATO,UN or other organisations is bad

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daily reminder finns are supposed to be discriminated against in the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882 and should be treated as such

Also Russians are pretty chill

>>70034797
Yes, Sasha. Don't read. Just remember to vote Putin and everything will be all right.

>>70034769
>>70034797

>"The book has had a large influence within the Russian military, police, and foreign policy elites and was allegedly used as a textbook in the General Staff Academy of Russian military"

what did they mean by this?

>>70026973
turn your proxy off mykola

>>70034818
Woodrow Wilson was a fuckhead. The League of Nations was a failure from the start with a hidden agenda to totally fuck over Europe. Look at Germany post-WWI. I don't know how Finland was fucked over. You had itsenäisyyspäivä from Russia....
>btw Finland and Estonia are my favorite European countries.

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>>70034909
>The book has had a large influence
...says who? CIA who got this info from /pol/?

>>70026080
getting hysterical doesn't prove your point
>i-it's putin!! are you kidding me?!?!?
grow up

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>>70035088

>>70035127
fronce...

>>70035127
>believing in meme made by poltards
Suit yourself

>>70035004
>>70034580
what the fuck are you doing with the meme arrows

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>>70035247
I saw that too lmao

>>70035004
well league of nations expelled USSR after first hostilities at winter war,we were promised aid by france,uk and us,and soon after that the whole thing just folded

Norway were even more naive than us and got annexed

>>70035282
Looks like the USA just hates Mongols

>>70028658
I love you Russian fucks, but I love the EU too. Putin and Trump genuinely worry me.

>>70035381
I think Americans always liked/respected Russian people, just not the government. With Putin, he was always viewed as a hollywood villain. Evil but kind of cool.

And Americans value toughness, so naturally Russians are viewed positively because they have a "crazy" reputation.

>>70035190
It doesn't matter if you honestly think nobody takes dugins delusions seriously or if you're just trying to downplay it to push the "Russia dindu nuthing we just want to live in piss" narrative, but Russian government acts according to if not these ideas directly then according to underlying conviction that Russia should be the one deciding fate of the world or at least influencing it and undermine and weaken its rivals, be they real or imaginary.