Why can't we just be friends?

>>69913657
Because we are irrational retards.

>>69913712
Well said

>>69913657
Because your media can't find any other nation to fearmonger about.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DmYLrxR0Y8

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WHY CANT WE BE FRIENDS
WHY CANT WE BE FRIENDS

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>tfw no tri-nation friendship between the US, Russia, and China

>>69913712
This.

Russians are irrational retards.

>>69913712
Russians are indeed

Because they hacked my toaster.

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>>69915947
>tfw no Northern hemisphere friendship against the southern hemisphere (Australia and New Zealand are part of the Northern hemisphere).

>>69913712
>Because Russians are irrational retards.

Agreed.

>>69913657
>>69913712
Well McCain made the case the each recent President tried to break through with Russia and Putin and each failed, why?

Well according to McCain it's because Russia believes their interests lie in weakening America and therefore our interests can never be aligned as one because for Russia to succeed the US must fail

Then I realized that the interests of the US also lies in weakening Russia as well and therefore no matter what we will never reconcile because both our countries view their success as gaining more military, cultural and political dominance than the other.

So we will never be friends until one of us eliminates the other, if not physically then culturally and politically

>>69916366
McCain is a senile old warmonger and nothing he says should be taken seriously by anyone.

>>69916452
That's true but what he says accidentally reveals how the inner workings of the US government and Elite view Russia, we projected our view of them onto their view of us. It's clear that we will never have anything better than the relationship we have with them now

>>69916560
No what he says should be ignored because he lost his mind over a decade ago.

>>69916592
The thing is even though he said that he didnt write it or come up with the idea or the content. It's covert position of the entire US government and it was given to him by the Republican party to explain affirm their viewpoint. The democratic viewpoint is probably even more hostile

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>>69916741
Which is why we're draining the swamp.

>>69916839
Good luck... his entire cabinet disgress with him on everything. He'll be miles better than Hillary but we'll also be presented with different problems by Trumps cabinet which is sure to go rouge and cause a lot of internal conflict. Trump himself is no savior either

>>69913657
I dunno, I like you.
Your politicians are a bit retarded though.

Though electing a meme to be a president was nice.

>>69913657
we are, look at trump and his piss parties being hosted by our friendly allies.

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>>69916839
I think the whole thing, at least in a more realistic view, is that it is going to be a massive clusterfuck of different agencies disagreeing with him/each other that not much is done let alone drain anything.

>>69917561
I have a feeling he's going to just fire eveyone who disagrees with him, and that sounds great.

The federal government is long overdue for a purge.

>>69913657
Because shifting relations might harm the interests of the defence lobby

>>69917595
>I have a feeling he's going to just fire eveyone who disagrees with him
Doubtful. There are protections that avoid massive purges in the government, otherwise he would be a dictator.

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>>69916839
Ah yes. The "words speak louder than actions" theory.

>>69917371
>his entire cabinet disgress with him on everything
Bullshit. They have to get confirmed by Congress so obviously they have to tell those idiots what they want to hear.

And regardless he's in charge anyway, they'll do what he tells them or he'll sperg out and fire them over twitter at 4am.

>>69917692
>There are protections that avoid massive purges in the government, otherwise he would be a dictator.
Wrong.

The President can fire anyone in the executive he wants.

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>>69917740
>they'll do what he tells them
congress is more concern about their own elections than anything in the world. If they have a secure foothold or they are in a tight race, they won't do shit.

Specially as an unpopular president as trump.

>>69917707
Do you not know what a cabinet it? Because Giuliani and Gingrich are not in Trump's cabinet.

>>69913657
incompatible cultures

>>69917851
I'm talking about the executive, not the legislature, you fucking moron. And yes the executive will do as they're told.

>>69917787
Only the top people, and that is a few. And even then, it would be a massive clusterfuck of people getting sued, security agencies doing their own independent shit, etc that it would be impossible to do their own job, specially the intelligence agencies since they already hate trump.

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>Why can't Russia just forget about all its interests that we don't like, stop writing things in media that we don't like, help us to solve problems that we made and that have nothing to do with Russia, also preferably disarm itself and establish a pro-american government with a revolt and also give american companies some control over Russian resources
fixed your friendship for you

>>69917707
none of those people are in Trump's cabinet

>>69917956
>Only the top people, and that is a few.
Incorrect. The President can literally fire anyone in the executive they want.

>>69917935
Do you know how much power congress has? It is pretty fucking common how much they hated obama and didn't let him do shit.

>>69918015
>Do you know how much power congress has?
Oh so now the Congress has power? Considering they've done fuck all with in in 20 years I'm not particular worried about them suddenly remembering.

>>69918085
>Considering they've done fuck all with in in 20 years
And they can continue to do that to the entire nation and there is nothing trump can do about it.

>why america has no friends
Difference of power basically, friendship implies some degree of equality which can't exist between a country as powerful as USA and simple fuccbois like us.

>>69918134
>and there is nothing trump can do about it.
Like fuck he can't. He can write executive orders left and right like Obama did.

Learn how your fucking government works you literal child.

Because of mutual distrust in both parties, and each seeks to gain the most out of the "friendship" at the expense of other.

>>69918313
Fuck off Ching Chang white people are talking. Go eat a dog or something.

>>69918295
Looking forward to that nationwide ban on Vanity Fair.

Because Russia is bad guys and bully and not democracy.

>>69917882
Giuliani as well as Gingrich, both, "political insiders" as big as any, still have the ear of the POTUS as advisors. Cabinet or no, they're seated well to influence the President.

>>69917975
Steve Mnuchin is absolutely expected to be nominated as Secretary of the Treasury. Previously, a major Goldman Sachs partner.
His nomination for SecState is a former Exxon CEO ffs.
Secretary of Agriculture: Created Lucas Oil.
Secretary of Labor: Another CEO, this time of fast-food joints.
If by "drain the swamp", we mean, "pump it into the Executive", he's been doing a bang-up job.

>>69918510
Nope, you already got caught lying once shill. You can fuck off now

This is why you faggots lost the election.

>>69918510
t.

>>69918474
Good, the subhumans are finally starting to learn.

>>69913712
>we

>>69918412
Hitchens must be turning in his grave with what that rag has turned into.

>>69918398
One of you is white, the other is a poser who thinks he's white. Guess which one are you?

I've also already eaten my dog for dinner. Thank you for your concern for my health.

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>>69918581
>Nope, you already got caught lying once shill.
Quote me where I said either Giuliani or Gingrich were in the Cabinet.
I'll wait.

While you're doing so, keep telling yourself that Everything is Fine. I'm sure the world you imagine Trump is creating correlates with reality.

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>>69918474
>not democracy
But they elected Pepe, how is not it democracy?
I almost teared up, it was almost as fresh as late 80's with all this "le freedumb" memes, as if no shitty dissapoiting 90s-00s happened.

>>69913657
USA and Russia both want to use the middle east as their toys and neither want to share.

>>69918716
>>69918474
Oh wait.
Sorry, somehow misread your post, lel

>>69918693
>filename
You think we're fucking stupid? Or does your computer lack the rename function making it impossible for you to represent the truth?

>>69918510
>a businessman who ran on the merits of being a businessman and appoints businessmen instead of politicians to cabinet positions isn't draining the swamp because I hate business because reasons
>the President of the United States needs to appoint a bunch of inexperienced retards off the street to key positions to satisfy people who criticise literally everything he does and hate him anyway like you
>t. faggot

>>69918720
Russia has literally no interests in Middle East tbqh

>Two cocks
>one shed

>>69913712

speak for yourself retard

>>69918808
thanks for clearing that up RT

>>69918787
>Or does your computer lack the rename function making it impossible for you to represent the truth?
Shockingly, I don't rename all files I download off the internet.
I guess it's because I'm the sort of person who leaves his house.

>>69918805
>Drain the swamp! We can't let those big-business types and greedy bankers in the government!
>Don't drain the swamp! We need their expertise!
By the day, the narrative changes to suit Trump's decisions.

>>69918931
So then you're just too lazy to tell the truth.

Have you considered applying to CNN or Buzzfeed? They're looking for people like you.

>>69918912
>thanks for clearing that up RT
kekked irl

>>69916839
>draining the swamp
By hiring an oil executive to be secretary of state who has millions to gain by letting Putin rub his balls all over the map?

>>69919054
>current year
>still anti trump
Ishyddt

>>69916366
>>69916366
>>69916560

Mccain is old fool.
Who without luck of soviet guy appearing where he was being held captive, would suffer beautiful asian tortures like thousand paper cuts.
Who opnely went agains his republicans supportings Hillary and what's more important he lost.


Some brighter minds say US, seeing future problems with China, tried to weaken RF to prevent stong ally for future opponent. Plan failed, they instead made them closer.
Today it's possible US will go for different plan in this triangle and we would RF as wise monkey watching two tigers fight, position of China it had in 20 century.

>>69918808
this is wrong
delet ur comment tavarish

>>69918931
nobody ever said anything about getting businessmen out of government, because before now there weren't any businessmen in government. Do you think people that voted for DONALD TRUMP have an issue with businessmen being in power? What is your fucking mental malfunction?

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>>69916839
You are in for a surprise, buddy.

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Roosevelt knew why

>>69919054
And what do I have to gain by not letting Putin do whatever the fuck he wants in the middle east?

How is having an antagonistic relationship with Russia beneficial to me in the slightest?

>>69918808
If the situation in middle east gets worse we will get flooded by terrorists. Central asia is already seeing the effects with extremism rising, we will be in deep shit if we don't stop it before it reaches us. Just look at chechnya

>>69918313
It's a trio, zhang.

>>69919178
Considering all the poor trump voters who are expecting him to keep the ACA but to get rid of obamacare I'd say your average trump voter is the one with the mental malfunction.

>>69919268
Don't address them like they're equals.

>>69919347
Cool anecdote.

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>>69918994
>So then you're just too lazy to tell the truth.
Still waiting on that citation where I lied.
I guess it's not forthcoming. Much like the post-election about-face on the danger of allowing people with distinct links to major corporations into the government.

But hey. It's not my principles melting away. Consider what you would have said if a slimeball like Hillary had put Tillerson as Secstate. You and I both know the answer. But Drumpfkins can't man up and face the music: their man sold them out.

>nobody ever said anything about getting businessmen out of government
Nice sleight of hand there. Issue was influence of big-business: that comes from people contributing money, or, you know, people ripped from the management of corporations to serve in the government. Is Rex Tillerson suddenly some patriot because Trump chose him? The sky is the limit in enriching himself and his oil-interests.
Ex-CEOs actually being in the government was previously unthinkable. Hillary appointing Goldman Sachs bankers to serve in the government seemed so cartoonishly silly, only fools actually pressed the claim. But now that Trump has gone and done it, it seems the issue was only who the charge was directed at.

>>69919521
forgot to link
>>69919178

>>69919187
> that quote
I wonder what Russians led to him about. My guess they were being polite to the fat fuck like gold him "you look great"

>>69919380
>telling your white superior what not to do
You got balls, son. But not for long after that smartaleck remark.

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>>69919441
I know, it's hilarious.

>>69919258
We are get flooded by stanians for 25 yearr, ffs.
>the effects with extremism rising
was rising there for 25 years, again.

We don't even border them, it would be Kazakhstan problem.
Would be even easier to fight them there then in Syria btw.

>>69919187
Well, but lying when your partner _doesn't_ know that you are lying is just plain rude, innit?

>>69919268
How did you know my name? Ivan

>>69920229
Western manners
We didn't understand them then
We don't understand them now

And vice versa

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>>69913657
>mfw fucking retards think friends with russia is a good thing
if you become russias friend very bad things and much humiliation will come to you.

>>69920277
He's not Ivan he's Oleg
I'm Ivan

>>69918866
shut up, cuck

>>69920323
through western sanctions and NATO bombing yeah
If US does it though I'd say no danger of that

>>69920479
ukrain was your friend too, and georgia and afghanistan and irak and syria, and north korea the goes on... your friends all end up sucking miles of cock before they die a horrible agonizing death or wish they had sooner or later.

>>69920323
you never was our friend, how can you know?

>>69916366
>So we will never be friends until one of us eliminates the other.
So do what you did with germany and japan and break them on your knee. Bomb all their cities and villages into rubble. Publicly demonise and execute their political leaders. Let your soldiers indiscriminately rape and kill the civilian population for a few years and hammer into their brains that this is a just punishment for daring to stand up against you.

It made two previously bloodthirsty and aggressive dictatorships into the most docile and agreeably countries in the world. Clearly it works like magic.

>>69920373
Crap. Sorry Ivan.
I hope Mikhael didn't catch my mistake.

>>69920588
>"friends"
>ukraine
anti-Russian
>georgia
anti-Russian
>afghanistan
well, okay, that was a shame desu
>iraq
ruined by murrica, also how was it our friend?
>syria
ruined by murrican puppets
>north korea
is chinese friend, not ours

>>69917967
this desu
I do believe that once both our countries are gonna become secondary powers compared to China we will finally blanda up. Russia belongs with Europe, not the fucking chinks.

>>69920666
>666
Whew.

Also Germans tried it, didn't work so well.

>>69920838
I actually think that WW3 is going to be US and Russia vs China myself

Dont think we'll be friends afterwards though.

>>69916366
>our interests can never be aligned as one because for Russia to succeed the US must fail
American interest is world dominance, Russian one is for USA to fuck off from us.
If they can't align it's not our fault.

>>69920588
Ukrain was not exactly our friened, more like an asshole younger brother. Like, he's a bitch, but still family, and sometimes can be cool.
Most of the other countries you've mentioned were anti-western shitholes we had to align with because fucking commies were in charge.
The only real friend we have is Serbia, which is largely irrelevant as a political power, and whom we couldn't even protect them from NATO bombings, the biggest shame.

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>>69913745
Hello friend

>>69920908
Rrrrreeeee, nopenopenope, have a war in some other place pls

t. Siberian

We are friends, lol. Why do you think we are foes? Russia is yours colony.

>>69920908
eh, the only reason America's not popular in Russia right now is due to the 90's, most of our millennial population adores you. Once your cold war generations will die off you'll get friendlier with us as well, I hope.

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>>69921269
Wrong, every sane person knows that Russia is British colony.

>>69921378
No. British is an American colony. And we too, but much poorer.

Don't you know, what Central bank of Russia is american whore? Starikov told me this thing!!

>>69921206
last time you protected serbia everything went to utter shit for a century. thank god you didn't this time.

>>69921378
*cryptocolony

>>69920598
we were forced to pretend that's enough to know how you work. fucking assholes.

>>69921529
you mean everything is not utter shit now?

>>69921300
>Once your cold war generations will die off you'll get friendlier with us as well, I hope.
This might have been true about a year ago, but the majority of liberals hate Russia now because of the hacking allegations and the fact that Trump wants closer relations with Russia.

My parents lived through the cold war and dont like Putin or USSR but I wouldn't say that they hate Russia or support actively antagonizing your country.

>>69921269
Honestly I think as long as Russia stops creeping on Eastern Europe and Georgia, and continues to bomb mudshits then the US and Russia will be able to get along quite well over the next 8 years as long as Russia is genuinely interested in detente.

An act of good faith would be a good idea, like maybe cutting a check and coming to an agreement with Ukraine on that shithole of a penninsula you jacked.

>>69921631
yeah i guess it's not yet over. good point.

>>69913657
countries can't be friends, they can form an alliance if they have mutual interests. both russia and murrica are still too cold war tier to put everything aside and start working together

>>69920908
>I actually think WW3 is going to be US and Russia vs China
>Russia and China issue joint security statement denouncing the THAAD missile defense deployment in South Korea
A retard thinking retarded thoughts is still retarded thinking

>>69921529
It's like you are sure this century is going to be great
Me, I don't think its starting too well

>>69920411

suck shit

>>69921627
i can understand whining czechs but you were literally nazis, why the fuck would soviets be 'friends" with you, you deserve all shit desu

>>69920373
You are Ivan the Terrible

>>69921655
russia doesn't need eastern europe

>>69921645
yeah i almost believed russia turned a new leaf and they will become a proper country maybe even a democracy and this cold war nonsense will end. then came putin...

>>69921688
I'm not saying this is gonna happen in the next ten years, Zhang

When your economy shits the bed I think you're going to try some desperate shit in Siberia and the South China Sea which will align US and Russia for the time being.

>>69921655
>An act of good faith
tell me more pls i'm intrigued

>>69921724
suck dicks

>>69913657
>usa and russia as friends
It would be extremly boring to live in such world

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>>69921835
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>>69921796
>yeah i almost believed russia turned a new leaf and they will become a proper country maybe even a democracy
If you read russian history this sentence can actually summarize pretty much all of it from the time they freed themselves from Mongol occupation. It happened 3 or 4 times but they will always turn back to autocracy.

>>69921645
>but the majority of liberals hate Russia now because of the hacking allegations and the fact that Trump wants closer relations with Russia.
These people are fucking insane.

If dems really want to know why they lost the election they can ask me, a lifelong Democrat in the rust belt who voted Trump. There are millions of people like me in the area that they fucked over. Maybe they should spend more time listening to us rather than looking for foreign boogie men and conspiracies.

>>69921755
>you were literally nazis
we have about 10% of the population that are actual nazis.
and an other 10% that goes with whatever political or religious agenda is popular at the time.

the rest of the country was just held hostage more by german than by it's own leadership btw. it really didn't look like hitler was going to lose ever when we had to choose where to stand. us was nowhere near joining the war and western europe was already fucked. also nobody knew what stalin has amassed yet. russia looked like easy pickings.

>>69921687
>Russia
>cold war tier
All Russian butthurt is about 90s only tbqh

>>69921902
>These people are fucking insane.
I agree with you but it doesn't change the fact that a significant part of our generation feels that way.

>>69921795
Then they should act like it so the Poles and Latvians stop freaking the fuck out all the time.
>>69921835
Give Ukraine money to sign a treaty saying Crimea is yours. They're fucking poor as shit, it shouldn't take more than like 30-40 dollars.

You want to be friends ? Built a tunnel that links Alaska and Siberia, this is real friendship.

>>69921974
And the dems would do well to stop giving credence and platforms to these nutjobs if they like having a relavent political party.

>>69921655
Russia isn't creeping anywhere
If you go full "fuck Russia" and put your faith in Russia ignoring it forever well, it just won't happen that way, no matter if you're a client state of some more powerful country.

Is not 1990es, there won't be another Serbia and another Chechnya

>>69921796
>bawww ebil putain
Yeltsin literally shelled Russian parliament. Putin is a messiah of democracy compared to him.

>>69921327
it's fine, I hope that after we btfo ISIS and Europe will elect all their right wingers maybe France will become a bro, at least. Also, like I said, all we need is a common foe, and China's gonna start flexing their muscles soon enough.
>>69921529
true, but it was still disgusting, like being forced to watch your friend being raped
>>69921631
It's not that bad, man. We still might get on the robotics bandwagon with the 1st world countries.
>>69921645
libcucks will hate anyone at this point, I don't really see how to pacify them. I can only hope that after the rise of the right the lefties will have to make some kind of an alt-left movement, with sane, sensible people that will hijack the leftards narrative.

>>69922051
For me i think it's the death throes of the current dem party, maybe they'll run one more in 2021 but if they want to stay relevant they're gonna have to reform.

I voted Obama in 2008 myself and my entire family were Dems, my mom voted Trump and my dad abstained from voting for the first time in his life.

>>69922058
>Russia isn't creeping anywhere
M8...

>>69921997
>Give Ukraine money to sign a treaty saying Crimea is yours
How is it American interest again?

>>69922136
>alt-left movement, with sane, sensible people that will hijack the leftards narrative
All of the sane leftists that you're talking about voted Bernie and either didn't vote or went for Trump last year.

We'll see if that's what the dem party reforms into.

>>69921997
not up to you to tell what to do grzegorz, the poles and latvians who freak out are retarded tbqh, so it's their problem

>>69922106
>Yeltsin literally shelled Russian parliament.
wow i need to read up on that. how the fuck did i miss that gem?
>Putin is a messiah of democracy compared to him.
well he is a fucking asshole that actually funds our nazis (and other countries around too) to destabilize the country and eu as much as possible. there is also not a single democratic bone in him you tundra jew.

>>69921934
Yeah, thanks for proving my point.
>russia looked like easy pickings.
Well, too bad for you, what else can I say.

>>69921655
Do you really think, what Putin do anything, what aren't american's order? Man, he is your whore. For 17 years he haven't do NOTHING for me or my city. Fucking Moscow just rob all Russia and send this all money to the west. ALL FUCKING CHILDREN of our political and business elite study and live out of Russia. Why? Becouse they all are traitors and your whors. They rob us to bring all money to your hand. CRIMEA?? I DON'T NEED IT, I DIDN'T VOTE FOR THIS.
Do you know, what american embassy in Russia did in 2012, when we could make a revolution? They fucking shamed all protest by their presence. They killed our revolution.
When Putin will die, i hope it will be soon, we'll fucking take it all back, and we will revenge you for this all years of slavery.

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Russia will never trust america, for america elects men with ldeals, not Ideals served by men

tldr:
>I am Sir bresident benis, i pledge friendshib wid russia

>* 5 years of friendship and de armanent*

>I aam Sir Breadsiden Dongo, I will condain ruddsia width nudlear weapons :DDDDD

>>69922138
I hope you're right. As the entire party's platform has lately turned into "fuck all poor white people" they don't really seem to have anything to offer me and my family but more misery.

As the democratic party currently exists the death of the party would actually benefit me. 29 years I was a democrat and now they want nothing to do with me.

>>69922268
you really think that something's gonna change once putin dies? don't be so delusional

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>>69922106
>russians consider a kgb manlet agent turned manlet dictator to be a messiah of democracy

>>69921997
>Give Ukraine money
Again?.. Will this ever stop?

It's not fair, you helped them overthrow their government - you pay for their democratisation or whatever you call it.

>>69922182
Because then the issue will be settled and we won't have to listen to our Central and Eastern Yuro allies constantly scream bloody murder anymore.

And peace in Europe is in everyone's interests, don't be ridiculous.

>>69922316
He is the symbol of this slavery. He'll die - this slavery will fall in 4 years. There is no any figures, who have any authority in Russia, except him.

>>69922270
underrated

>>69913657
You could. Trumpo is about as Putinbotty as it gets. His Putinbooness is the cringiest that even the Mattis guy has officially started to ignore his delusion. He would actually force all Americans to be friends of Russia or Putin at least in a cultural/economy level even if its gonna put y'all Americans in a disadvantage and an unbeneficial situation.

>>69922251
>russia looked like easy pickings.
i meant for hitler, it was pretty obvious he would turn on stalin sooner or later or vica versa. but nobody would have bet on stalin at the time.

it was probably a rational decision. they bet on the "winning" horse it was also morally wrong and we should have stayed the fuck out of it. i bet if not for the unjust humiliation after ww1 it might have been different even so.

International affairs have moved away from zero sum politicas, but that does not mean competition between states is a thing of the past.
USA and Russia have aligned themselves with countries that are in regional opposition Iran and China are the most obvious examples.
There is also the affair of democracy encroaching towards Russia, which is something it's ruling circles dislike. It's the real reason why Ukraine was so harshly attacked, the people in Moscow fear being replaced or having to compete in a real multipary democracy.
Trump can only make friends with Russia if he betrays american regional allies and if he allows Russia to restore it's buffers of failed states against democracy.

>>69921822
>try some desperate shit in Siberia
Nope. Even if our bubble bursts, we would not do anything to Siberia because the people there are our brothers and sisters. Plus, Siberia is a hostile frozen wasteland that would suck to live in. If we wanted the diamonds and oil there we would just invade DeBeers mining facilities in Africa or get Pakistan to use their Muslim connections to front us some oil until we recuperate.

>South China Sea
We're already building artificial islands and fortifying our base defenses there and the Russians have no qualms about that now, so don't see why they would care then.

My name is Wei, Billy.You should study politics some more. I suspect your trailer trash redneck parents did not do a good job educating you on the subtleties of human interaction so you grew up crass, thinking that being white was the only thing that mattered.

You actually can't do anything you want, even if you are white, Billy.

>>69922438
thanks

isla malvinas!

>>69922381
We'll give them money too. The point is you give them money FOR THE LAND that you took.

If you buy the land, and they sign a reciept for you, then the matter is settled and they can no longer bitch.

Why the fuck do you think we made Mexico sell us all the clay we stole? So the matter would be settled.

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>>69922482
soon brutha, soon

>>69922421
lel the entire edro won't go anywhere
besides millions of russians are ok with being treated like shit, the people's overall mentality won't go anywhere as well
plus no real opposition
here you go bud

>>69922268
I'm sorry. I'm so fucking sorry Russia. I hope you do have your revolution, and I hope you do get your revenge.

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>>69922240
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_Russian_constitutional_crisis

>>69922166
What? Can't you see none of the Ukraine situation was of Russian design?

it was all Putin reading to literal outside management picking whether Yatz or Kitchen is going to run the country. Not 90es. Was a stupid idea.

Admiitting fault and pushing for fair national vote is what the US could do in 2014.


Now that NATO is training troops that are known to have shelled houses full of their own countrymen, not much even demi-god putin can do to diffuse it. Gonna take years

>>69922025
there were some projects about the bridge actually, but there are no people there so it's completely pointless.
would be fun though.

>>69922482
What do you think about american super hero movies?

>>69922473
>Trump can only make friends with Russia if he betrays american regional allies and if he allows Russia to restore it's buffers of failed states against democracy.
Eh..we'd really only have to betray Ukraine who isn't an actual ally.

I can't aee why we would have to betray Poland, Bulgaria, Hungary, Romania, or the Balts who actually are allies.

>>69922136
>We still might get on the robotics bandwagon with the 1st world countries.
Hahahaha
Wait
AHAHAHAH

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>>69922268
> Do you know, what american embassy in Russia did in 2012, when we could make a revolution? They fucking shamed all protest by their presence. They killed our revolution.


Agree.

Despite all bullshit, Putin and current Russia are very good for West.

Nobody needs sovereign AND strong AND rich AND developed Russia.

There is no any power in the world that wants Russia ruled by russian nationalists. Literally NOBODY wants it.

We're under huge concrete slab. Government will fuck us up but outside nobody wants to help us too.

If we revolt against oligarchs, european mafia will protest, they will help oligarchs because they get profit from their dirty money. And nobody will help us.

idk chance to liberate ourselves is maybe 5-10%, not more.

>>69922441
Hey, why we aren't friends? I really don't know, why we didn't present to you Kurills, lol.I don't need it,

>>69922534
>plus no real opposition

You just don't know them. Have you ever been in Russian university? THAT ALL ARE OPPOSITE! They aren't politics yet, but they are.

>>69922578

Don't kidding.

>>69922482
I have a question, if you don't mind answering. What does China think of Canada, and does China see Canada as a possible ally, an enemy, or a tool that can be used.

>>69922482
But you are an expat. Dont pretend like a native. And generally expats views of east asia lack a lot of comprehensions and experiences of east asian geopolitics and actual peoples feelings. Whereas the ordinaly people arent so serious about any political shit that has taken place in EA, the expat instantly get to a very extreme political stand point

>>69922629
>none of the Ukraine situation was of Russian design?
Wew lad.

>>69922745
>Nobody needs sovereign AND strong AND rich AND developed Russia.
Tbf nobody even believes such a thing is possible so I doubt many people spend a lot of time worrying about it.

>>69922760
>They aren't politics yet, but they are
:^)
even hundreds of thousands in unis won't change anything. i doubt they really understand the average folk, that's the problem of our opps as well

>>69922508
Look all this buy-all stuff won't work here, we're not six of honorless immigrants, no offense.

Is a downside in this day and age, but really Ukraine will only be humiliated by an offer like that. They really aren't all that different, even in the western half is almost as cucked as the Poles

>>69922888
> Tbf nobody even believes such a thing is possible

"Russian Empire"

anyway we have a potential to become semi-decent country like Slovakia for example.

>>69922818
They see you like everyone does, as an American puppet state and a meme, because that's exactly what you are.

No one views Canada separate from the United States except Canadians and Americans.

>>69913745
but they litterally fearmonger about anything lol fearmonger is the fuel of American media

>>69922482
>because the people there are our brothers and sisters
What? The population here is ~80% Russian, fuck off.

>>69922904
Buy-sell*
Sons*

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>>69922965
The native siberians

siberian girls are pretty hot though, your country will continue to produce top tier qties

>>69922904
Bullshit. Money can fix anything, especially when you have an assload of oil shekels and Ukrainians live in mudhuts and eat dirt. You guys haven't even fucking tried to pay them for it.
>>69922952
I doubt it but I wish you all the best in your endeavors.

>>69922508
You do realise that Ukrainians are basically buttmad Russians and "pay for clay" don't work with us/them? Don't be fooled by their corrupt government.

>>69923070
If only your country was so friendly...

>>69922268
>They fucking shamed all protest by their presence. They killed our revolution.
What do you mean?

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>>69922745
>idk chance to liberate ourselves is maybe 5-10%, not more.
Great! Now it sounds like fun, i'm in!

>>69922760
>I really don't know, why we didn't present to you Kurills, lol.I don't need it,
kys, filthy moscowite

>>69923077
Of course they're buttmad, you jacked a part of their country. But if you cut them a big enough check that they have to sign the clay away then they can be buttmad all they want, the matter will be settled for all time, and no one would ever dispute your claim to it.
>>69923136
What do you mean?

>>69921997
jokes aside, my father who's a major political adviser had proposed the same idea right after the annexation. Too bad the Ukrainan goverment is full of people who don't give a shit about their country and are just exploiting the war. Also, the butthurt belt countries are only freaking out because it's profitable for them, they ride off the anti-russian narrative, and I don't blame them for it. I mean, all small, largely irrelevant countries end up blaming their stronger, assholish neighbors for their situation, just look at all the pro-commie latin america's countries.
>>69922214
it's inevitable my friend, after the Trump the right will inevitably get too cocky and start being cancerous again and real people are needed to deal with real problems.
>>69922240
he's an asshole because he destroys all promising, talented politicians who refuse to allign with him. Because of that, all our opposition are pidorases, unfortunately. Also democracy will never work in Russia for at least the next 50 years, it only works in countries with established political movements, and Russia was a commie shithole for a century, people have no political culture here.
>>69922298
don't worry, the next cycle will come soon enough.
>>69922421
please, before his death he will appoint a successor. Putin wants to look like a strong leader, but in reality he's just a conglomeration of oligarchs and FSB fags. And due to the political vacuum in Russian politics, if what you say will come true it will be quite terrible, Ukraine-tier democracy.
>>69922482
I do hope for the best, but there's an alarming rate of chinese immigration to our eastern regions, I'm afraid you guys will eventually pull a "95% of the population is Chinese now, gibe land" trick. Still, I want nothing but good relations with my Asian brothers.

So russians, will MW become real and russia reenter in civil war?

>>69923177
> What do you mean?

Imagine if russian ambassador visits BLM protests. Or far-right protests. What will your liberals do?

I bet they will whine "RUSSIA ENCOURAGES INSTABILITY TO UNDERMINE WESTERN DEMOCRACY REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"


>>69923240
You supported authoritarian thug Yeltsin who destroyed our democracy.

>>69922760
I'm not. Tyrants and leaders that crap on their people and do nothing to improve their country, only fill their pockets with money disgust me. I hate seeing the working man and women being fucking stomped on by the elites, because I know that feeling. Those elites fuckers don't give a shit, and I fucking hate it! They believe they can do what they want without consequence, and that needs to change. Putin, Trudeau, Trump, Merkel, all those other disgusting leaders don't give a shit about the countrymen, only money and they're special friends. I've lost my jobs to robots, I try to make a farm in Nova Scotia and I get crapped on by these fucking white collar assholes, I'm trying to support my family and my government who's suppose to care doesn't. God dam Russia, I want you to have your revolution. At least one of use can be free from these horrible fucking elites.

>>69923048
>native siberians
5% of Siberian population
Well, if they scare away Chinks they are not that bad then

>>69923240
>Of course they're buttmad, you jacked a part of their country
Pls, they are buttmad for 25 years

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>>69917967
>>69921175
this

>>69923308
>they scare away Chinks they are not that bad then
Seems like the opposite desu

>>69923270
eeehh, china might ask for a shared economic zone, but I doubt they'd invade unless you guys broke up into smaller nations.

>>69922959
This is true, that's also why the media is increasingly becoming irrelevant in this country.

There's only so many times you can cry the sky is falling before people decide you're completely full of shit.

>>69923270
>all our opposition are pidorases
paid by kind Americans btw

>>69922760
you don't need 2 kidneys as well, ow about you give me one of yours?

>>69923270
>an alarming rate of chinese immigration to our eastern regions
uwatm8

t. Siberian

>>69923417
>implying there is a party in Russia that isn't exclusively under oligarchy control

>>69922526
Soon.
>>69922711
I think Japanese and Chinese super heroes like the Monkey King and Goku are far superior to American ones.
>>69922818
I don't mind answering at all. Most Chinese do not view Canada as a threat. They do not view you as an ally, enemy or a tool, just a simple country inhabited by igloo dwelling eskimos.

I, on the other hand, know that Canadians are deceitful, two-faced lying rats except for the one-in-a-million that are decent people.

Take, for instance, the one Canadian who is in my Warface Clan that I created two years ago.

I wouldn't trade him for ten Americans because his value far exceeds that of at least 100 (he is #1 on the Clan leaderboards and disproportionately contributes the most clan points out of all of the top ten ranking officers combined, myself included)
>>69922823
How do you know I am an expat? Is it really that hard to believe that I am a native Chinese with superior English abilities than actual Englishmen? I am considered a foreigner in the Western world, so now I must consider myself as a foreigner when I return back to the Motherland? Looks like wherever I go, I am always an outsider. Doesn't look like I can win.

>>69922965
Wtf, I was going to write they were our Asian brothers and sisters, but felt that would drive a wedge between our two countries relations. But now, I have no such obligation to be so courteous and will outright say that they are our fellow Chinese brothers and sisters whom we will protect, no matter who the foe is.

I could have also said that we are all brothers and sisters under eyes of God, but with your insipid, thoughtless reply to me, I see that such is not the case.

The actual land is still a hostile tundra wasteland inhospitable to life, though.

>>69923270
>Russia for at least the next 50 years, it only works in countries with established political movements, and Russia was a commie shithole for a century, people have no political culture here.
same here dude same here...

>>69923284
What does that have to do with anything? We're talking about the future, the next 8 years specifically. Who gives a shit about the 90s?
>>69923354
And Mexico has been buttmad for 200 years but no one disputes that we own Texas. Who cares if the Ukrainians are buttmad?

The point is to get clear title to the land so everyone can move on, cooperate, and concentrate on more important shit like bombing ISIS and other assorted mudslimes off the face of the earth.

>>69923401
it's just gonna be a bloodless revolt, you know how Mexicans want to get Texas back by becoming the overwhelming majority? I'm actually not really concerned about it, our overall garbage birthrates are a much bigger problem.
>>69923417
well, I can kinda even understand it, since they will never get any money here. Too bad it means they have to lick their boots and spew their lies, too bad.

>>69923625
>I'm actually not really concerned about it, our overall garbage birthrates are a much bigger problem.
your guys die at 50... maybe that is why

>>69923494
>oligarchy
most of the year live in west, have money stolen from russia in west, have families in west

>>69922745
>If we revolt against oligarchs, european mafia will protest, they will help oligarchs because they get profit from their dirty money.
interesting view, it always looked to me the russian oligarchate like a fucking polyp tries to put it's tentacles everywhere and corruption and antidemocratic rhetorics follow. but if some jew actually aid them from the inside that explains how they can do it so easily.

>>69923284
Our liberals love BLM..

But it wouldn't matter anyway because Americans no longer listen to the media. Even our President stood up a couple days ago and called them irrelevant liars who are worthy of nothing but derision.

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>>69923523
isnt it ironic, a 150+ years ago they'd be considered barbarians but now you guys are using them as an excuse to """protect""" siberia

>>69923523
>just a simple country inhabited by igloo dwelling eskimos
That's fine with me. Sadly, your mostly true about the two faced lying rat part, but I see that crap far more in urban then rural areas.

>>69923240
> the matter will be settled for all time
You continue to misunderstand
Is the business culture you're born to that tells you a paper with a signature can fix everything

It can't. But we already have a workable status quo. As to "money fixes everything", if you remember, Russia offered money back when it could be settled that way. Russia gave in February 2013 more than combined west gave Ukraine in credit in 2014 and Russia offered more.

But in Ukraine, State Department used fanatics. It's a tactic that works, but it also backfires. No you can't pay off an ISIS suicide bomber or a Bandera supporter.

Ukraine is cucked for decades now, but if IS finally lets locals shine local problems, it won't be as bad as Iraq, most likely.

>>69923610
Ukraine is 1000 more important than your muslims desu

>>69922760
Contrary to your expectation, nobody cares about that islands IRL. Since it's an almost ancient unsolvable matter that has lasted so fucking long, it isnt worth specially paying attention anymore. Normies generally judge you based on some vague images like what Putin has been doing all over the world via news. Otherwise, people woudlnt care about Russia in some ideological way. Thats why you can often get a normal role, which isnt evil Russian, in those mediums like games and anime.

>>69923752
>It can't. But we already have a workable status quo. As to "money fixes everything", if you remember, Russia offered money back when it could be settled that way.
Bullshit. Then the number wasn't high enough.

Ans the status quo isn't workable. It may be workable with Ukraine but it isn't with any country that matters.
>>69923777
Like fuck it is, maybe Crimea, but certainly not Ukraine as a whole. And I just told you how to solve the Crimea problem while simultaneously solving Russia's current shit relations with every country that matters.

>>69923891
the normal role is exotic beauty?

>>69921900
>It happened 3 or 4 times
let me guess
all these times when the west saw Russia as "free" and "democratic" suspiciously coincided with the times when Russians were starving, killing each other in civil wars and in general dying in various funny ways

>>69923610
Is all the balance of power man. Nobody disputes it because nobody can. If say a zombie plague his US but not Mexicoand order crumbles don't expect a piece of paper to protect US hold on the land if Mexico moves in to "restore order".

>>69923474
I'm too lazy to find statistics to support my claim, sorry m8. I mostly get this kinda info from my dad, who is an ex vice minister, and a highly respected scientist who knows his shit.
>>69923592
hang in there, baby.
>>69923523
you're probably baiting but I can highly advise to NEVER fight Russians on their soil. There are far easier ways to fuck us up.
>>69923673
yeah, we reproduce like developed countries, but die early sue to stress and vodka, so it's even worse.
>>69923752
the radicals are nothing but mad dogs, they don't determine Ukraine's political future. Yes, a lot of the population supports them, but that can easily be fixed with anti-zapadenec propaganda.
>>69923891
we only care about the Ohotskoe sea staying our private pool. I do believe some sort of political conclusion will be arranged soon.

>>69923977
> solving Russia's current shit relations with every country that matters
What for? We are fine as it is

>>69924039
That piece of paper DOES matter because without it no first world country is going to be able to work with Russia on anything of consequence.

Unless you think Russia is strong and rich to go full isolationist then this is a huge public relations problem for you guys that you need to solve. And it's a fucking easy one to solve at that.

>>69924036
Well novgorod Republic was nice
But it's true that decentralized and liberal order line in US won't work here and it's a very difficult thing for an American to understand

But I think a sort of democracy will work here one day. Semi democracy, like a manageable two party system that doesn't threaten the fabric of the state.

>>69922508
what if russia says here is your money back no gib alaska?

>>69924148
>there are far easier ways to fuck us up
Yeah, I know. With vodka or molotov cocktails.

I think a little liquor does just the trick in fucking us all up.

Anyways, it is getting late here. Tired and gonna go to bed. Will perhaps shitpost with you tomorrow, Oleg Kurgansky. Goodnight.

>>69924150
No you aren't, you're poor as fuck and your currency is in constant danger of collapsing.

Don't bullshit me. This is 4chan, not the RT comment section where we have to pretend up is down and black is white. Better relations with Europe, North America, and east Asia can only benefit Russia.

>>69916452
Not an argument

>>69924203
>Well novgorod Republic was nice
literally a meme

>>69924148
The radicals that learned they can take afms against the order take a long time to lay down arms and convince they're not above law. That's why semi-legal volunteer units in Ukraine is a mine laid under their foundation.

>>69924273
We would show them the reciept and say no thank you. That's the whole point in buying shit as opposed to taking it.

What if the guy who sold you your car showed up and asked for it back?

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>>69924292
>Asians want to fuck up Russians with vodka
Do you want to know how most of Siberian natives were disappearing until evil Tsar forbid us to sell vodka to them?

>>69924294
>you're poor as fuck
nothing new here

>RT
Stop with your RT bs, it's not even broadcasted here and it's in English, Russians don't watch it. I learned about RT from American anons

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>>69916366
do you know warcraft? you two will fight until someone 3rd much younger and much more powerful appears

>>69924294
>>69924183
>>69924183
A paper can be written today, and ask all be Allright, but that's exactly the reason it doesn't matter. Paper itself is of no consequence.
We're also not isolationist. We trade freely with all but a score of countries that themselves decided they wanted to "sanction" Russia for opposing their doomed policy I Ukraine.

But don't forget we're paranoid, our history gives us good reason. Russia won't trade security for economic perks under almost any government that is not full retard.

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>>69924341
>semi-legal volunteer units in Ukraine
are the best people in Russia tbqh

>>69924358
>What if the guy who sold you your car showed up and asked for it back?
well if the fool would pay the full money back for a used car i would most likely give it to him back gladly.

but we both know alaska is worth a little bit more than what it was purchased for.

>>69919179
what could u possibly dislike about Mr. Picrelated?

>>69924628
>>69924341
Oh wait, I misread, you mean Ukrainian units in Ukraine.
Well, anyway.

>>69924513
No, not new there. When your country was at it most powerful has always been when it was at its most wealthy.

Wealth is power. If you give a shit about your country you should recognize that good trade deals and treaties of alliance are far better ways to consolidate Russian power in the future than snipping off bits and pieces of clay from surrounding irrelevant shitholes.

And you're not going to get good trade deals or treaties of alliance until the Crimea problem is settled.

>>69923523
I dont believe in what you are saying AT ALL. But i will stop this because it wont go anywhere. Either way, you view is nothing like young mainlanders even the ones who are called 糞青. And you smell of middle aged wealthy pundit who is pretty much CCP itself.

>>69924635
Then they would have to come to the table with more money to make it interesting. I'm not really sure what point you're trying to make.

>>69924734
>And you're not going to get good trade deals or treaties of alliance until the Crimea problem is settled.
Yeah well

Crimea is ours and there's nothing you can do about it

>>69924610
>Russia won't trade security for economic perks under almost any government
If you continue fucking up your economy you will eventually have no security.

>>69924734
>until the Crimea problem is settled.
blah-blah
Israel gets btfo from the whole UN every time
Turkey has half of Cyprus
We are technically still at war with Japan
USSR had Pribaltics until dissolution
Who cares

>>69924823
When did I ever say I cared one shit about Crimea?

I was arguing you need to pay Ukraine for Crimea so you can get legal title and then everyone can stop treating your country like a rogue state, which is what you're currently forcinf everyone to do.

>>69924734
See, trade is only a cornerstone once you have security and stability. Yours is a mindset of an island dweller.

Say what do you think is the price Putin should agree on to allow Wester+Saudi control back in Chechnya? How much do you think is it worth for Russia to be able to have sites in Crimea that can sink an Arleigh Burke ship that can carry a 100 nukes on tomahawks that can reach Moscow from black Sea for all we know?

Even the richest country like the US can't foot the bill

>>69924897
And Israel and Turkey both get along fine with North America and Europe so they can't be punished.

What's the difference in this situation?

>>69924894
Works the other way around too. Even more so.

>>69925020
>See, trade is only a cornerstone once you have security and stability.
Which you already have despite your delusions otherwise.
>How much do you think is it worth for Russia to be able to have sites in Crimea that can sink an Arleigh Burke ship that can carry a 100 nukes on tomahawks that can reach Moscow from black Sea for all we know?
Considering ICBMs and nuclear submarines have existed for 50+ years? Nothing.

>>69924743
every country has its eccentrics
t.eccentric

>>69924984
>so you can get legal title and then everyone can stop treating your country like a rogue state
Pls.
You cared to lift sanctions that were imposed on USSR in fucking 2012.
And immediately imposed new ones under some funny pretext.

>>69925051
The other way around again. US and Europe gets along with Israel and Turkey. Both their leaders shit on Obama at every turn.

Its all your decision to tolerate one thing and not the other. Say, Russia can't force you to tolerate our actions in Syria the way you tolerate Turkey placing troops in Iraq and Syria

>>69925051
Exactly.
And the difference is that the only situation when you go along with us is>>69924036

>>69913657
because geopolitics

>>69925311
>And immediately imposed new ones under some funny pretext.
Because you up and jacked a country in Europe's clay like a bunch of niggers in the night. Of course everyone sanctioned you

Now would you like to remain sanctioned and poor or would you like to eventually have a country that isn't 2 middle class cities surrounded by thousands of square miles of Africa? Get Ukraine to sign the land over to you so everyone can move forward and start cooperating on more important shit.

>>69925453
It would be geopolitics if we had an argument over Pacific
Here it's only pure American megalomania

>>69925368
Who cares if they shit on Obama? Congress is who decided and sanctions and all spending. Obama is irrelevant as long as Israel and Turkey keep their relationships with Congress.

>>69925502
>Now would you like to remain sanctioned and poor
Yes. Go fuck yourself, you self-righteous lard

>>69925410
You're always starving. And we've never viewed you as free or democratic because you never have been.

>>69925502
I was talking about Magnitsky Act

>>69925634
Then you will be weak, powerless, and irrelevant. Enjoy.

Fucking Poland has more geopolitical power than Russia does right now.

b-bls stop fighting ;_;

>>69925652
Again, maybe if you made an effort to not piss off Congress and the EU at every single opportunity they wouldn't sanction you.

Hence the show of good faith.

>>69924292
You too, my friend.
>>69924341
well, that's the difference between Russia and Ukraine, they were always the free-willed fucks. The unruly militia is a pain in the ass, but look at Ireland. I mean, IRA was far more competent than the ukies, in my opinion, and it still settled well.
>>69924984
brah, remember how China had invaded Tibet, destroyed its culture and forced it to their heel? Neither do I. Time heal, man, time heals.

>>69925162
I've said we're paranoid, with good reasons . As to ICBMs there's technicalities.

ICBMs are more easily detected at launch, say. It's smart to launch those when tomahawks already hit. But it's even better to behead enemy command without nukes and then de-escslate. those are all very unlikely scenarios, but no elected Russian leader would ignore those concerns.

First lift sanctions on Cuba then you can lecture a country that has good relations with South and North Koreas, China, Iran, and Finland on , well, international relations. Really the only countries were at odds with are the ones that have been consistently moving in anti-Russian direction for over two decades.

>>69925822
People did care, they only stopped caring when China became too rich for anyone to bother caring anymore.

>>69925809
>for 20 years can't lift the sanctions that were imposed on soviet union
hmmm

> made an effort to not piss off Congress
killing gays in muslim shitholes: doesn't piss of murricans
Pussy Riot: OMH HOW HORRIBLE RRRREEEE

>>69925882
>First lift sanctions on Cuba
And why should we?

>>69925809
A site of good faith would be lifting sanctions you yourself say are only placed on Russia because a few old men feel upset.

>>69925961
What are you even talking about? The Magnitsky Act was passed in 2012.

>>69926000
And why should we? You're the ones with everything to lose here, not us.

>>69925987
Well, to get some moral high ground. US hasn't any.

Since, you know, they're no threat.

>>69926143
We don't need a PR campaign, we're the richest, most powerful country in the world. There is nothing to gain from us doing anything for Cuba.

You however do have quite a bit to gain by better relations with North America, Europe, and east Asia.

>>69926048
Jackson–Vanik

Putin agenda = pure evil

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjoIRTzMfHw

>>69926101
Well this is exactly the problem with Russia man. We're not giving up just because we're weaker. We have a thousand years of history being opposed by those that think they rule the world.

"stop it or else" kind of talk won't cut it.

serious question
if russia continues to destabilize eastern europe, will more qt slavic refugees run into my arms

>>69926250
All you say is true. I suppose no American president would do something stupid as say Pristina stunt.

Were different. We won't do "smart" when we can do "right".

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Excuse me, remind me again why should we trust Americans?

>>69926484
They're alright
They just need time

>>69926302
>>69926460
How the fuck is settling the Crimea problem with Ukraine in a way that the world community would accept giving up? Why do Russians consistently act like everything in this world is a zero sum game where someone has to win and someone has to lose?

>>69925700
sure, I remember when Poland sabotaged the nato's plans for the future of a middle eastern country completely.
>>69925936
English, motherfucker, do you speak it?
I said that time heals, I never said that people didn't care in the beginning.
>>69925961
you're acting like a clown, please stop.
>>69926294
please stop shilling this vid, you've been at it all day. This lady is crazy, and Dugin has no power whatsoever here.

>>69926713
>you're acting like a clown, please stop.
rude

Okay, I reformulate: how do we know what piss off Congress if the worse actions from other countries are okay and nothing from Russia is okay>>69925368

>>69926713
>please stop shilling this vid, you've been at it all day. This lady is crazy, and Dugin has no power whatsoever here.
Dugin literally has Putin by the balls and you know it.

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>countries surrounding USA occasionally argue about some issues, but generally have good relations with them and look up to USA
>countries surrounding Russia either hate Russia with a burning passion or are directly controlled by Russia and hate it secretely

>most of ex-enemies of USA have nowadays pretty good relations with them
>all of ex-enemies of Russia utterly detest it and want to keep Russia as far from them as it's possible

>USA is historically tied with many countries throughout the world by various alliances, cooperations, and contributions
>Russia is historically the oppressor and invader of everything they laid their greedy mongol eyes on
Americans may be a bunch of uneducated, self-righteous, obese dumbasses, but I'd still sooner trust burgers a hundred times than trust fucking kacaps once.
If I ever have a son, the first words that I'll teach him will be "Never trust a ruskie". Dob gless America, praise Jebus.

>>69926713
>sure, I remember when Poland sabotaged the nato's plans for the future of a middle eastern country completely.
What are you even referring to, Syria?

In case you forgot the reason Obongo didn't rekt the Syrian government was because the American people told him "you better fucking not nigger" not because of anything Russia did. Remember his red line he had to back down from? That's because the American people were pissed.

holy fuck. Dear countrymen, look with whom have you discussed shit all this time>>69926889

>>69926703
Because "settling the problem with Ikraine" is a code for "let's forget Nuland picking Ukrainian prime minister". So is not selling with Ukraine, but with the US. If you're into making design then, well, you owe us. Let's talk about how you can make it up to Russia. If it's not about making deals, then it's about you forcing Russia into doing something. That's what makes it a zero-sum game, not Putin

Chill, dude

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>>69926896
>Dob gless America, praise Jebus.
Amen

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>>69926889
>let me tell you about your putler

>>69926984
i see westerners on /pol/ making threads about dugin from time to time, funny stuff desu

>>69927003
>If you're into making design then, well, you owe us. Let's talk about how you can make it up to Russia
Again, why would we? You're the ones in position of need.

And in my scenario you gain more than you have now. So no, it's not zero sum.

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>>69918682
>Thank you for your concern for my health.
kek

>>69926984
I'm the one you've been talking with and that nigga ain't me.

>>69926896
>countries surrounding Russia either hate Russia with a burning passion or are directly controlled by Russia and hate it secretely
Nothing around us is directly controlled by Russia and Baltics are not all our neighbors

>all of ex-enemies of Russia utterly detest it and want to keep Russia as far from them as it's possible
We had nice relations with Germany, we have nice relations with China, we have more or less normal relations with Japan.
We have perfect relations with Mongols desu!

>Russia is historically the oppressor and invader of everything they laid their greedy mongol eyes on
And that just pure Polish butthurt from International Bureau of Butthurt

>>69927108
I grew up in the 90 es Russia I know what extortion is. Again, we're not of a sort of culture to back down because the risk is high and opponent is strong.

We won't treat a extortionist as a trusted party to do business with, to put it into words you're probably better at comprehending

>>69913657
Russia should be more scared of China desu

>>69920666
>Rape and kill the civilians
Either you're mistaking us for the Russians, thinking of Vietnam, or have consumed too much WW2 propaganda.

>>69926703
>world is a zero sum game
Whew, look who is talking
>Russia does anything
>"noooo, it's a danger to american global rule over the world, how disgusting"

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>>69927248
Didn't read a single word of this post, because I know for a fact it's gonna be filled with lies and manipulations. You're evil, go away.

>>69927386
Were a culture that is afraid of war and open conflict, not assimilation or economic subjugation . China is just isn't a threat there yet. And invasions from the west are the thing we're paranoid most about, anyway.

>>69927368
It's not extortion when you gain from it. What you're advocating is petulence, and nobody is going to do shit for a country that is intentionally being petulent.
>>69927422
Oh bullshit. No one even cares what you do here when you aren't acting like niggers by murdering people and stealing bits of people's countries.

>>69927559
It's our thread, gtfo

>>69920666
>666
>It made two previously bloodthirsty and aggressive dictatorships into the most docile and agreeably countries in the world. Clearly it works like magic.
Perkele has a point

>>69920908
oh dear.

>>69927592
I invited him.

You guys have your Belorussians so we can have Poles.

>>69913657
No you can't

>>69927587
>people's countries
It's Crimean country and they wanted to join us. How is it not democratic?

>>69927587
We don't "gain", we get back what you took away, like extortion malware that asks you to pay up to unlock your computer.

As to murder, you know perfectly well Russia hasn't done a fraction of the damage US has in the last 20 years and unlike the US, Russia's been provoked or intervened into the already ongoing conflict.

>>69927729
If it was so democratic then why did you need to bring tanks there?

>>69927729
Because you literally acted like niggers by moving and bunch of masked soldiers in the middle of the night and taking.

No one is saying Crimea doesn't want to be Russian, the point was there is a smart way and a stupid way to go about doing things. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.