US involvement in NATO may be 'significantly diminished'

>>69880310
Sit at home and post on 4chan

As long as we don't abandon Poland, our greatest ally. They actually pay their share of NATO dues.

>>69880357
If by post on 4chan you mean conscripted to war with Russia you are correct.

>>69880437
>They actually pay their share of NATO dues.
You're right anon, i've seen the maps of their blacksites too.

Truly top allies.

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>the face of all nations that ran down their own national defenses in hopes that US of A will always take care of everything for them

russian army is a mess, we have nukes and more than enough men to stop the russians.
who will attack us? egypt? lmao. the moment they make us stop being liberal faggots we could glass everything in a 6000km outside of europe. just europe from portugal to poland and then a massive parking lot all around.

amerishits need to get the fuck out.

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Reminder that everybody except the grey countries need to GTFO (plus Lithuania, I think they have reached the 2% goal since this was made)

>>69880644
>implying Europeans could even penetrate Moscovian missile shield
Russia has nukes too, so do a lot of those middle eastern shit holes.

>>69880773
To be fair, Angela Al-Merkel has increased the Reichs defense spending!

https://varldsinbordeskriget.wordpress.com/2016/10/19/angela-merkel-germany-to-heavily-increase-bundeswehr-budget/

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>>69880623
>and that's just the way the US wanted it to be after the war, all the way to the present day
>now a Surprise Trump™ tries to bring down the global domination of US and A without realising what he is doing

Really makes one ponder...

Though he did say something about giving Germany some nukes. That'd be fun.

Move to Argentina

Develop a foreign policy.
Befriend China, Mexico and Iran.

>>69880858
doesn't matter if the majority of the population is unwilling to defend a NATO ally if it comes to it. The majority of Germans wouldn't (as shown by polls), they're the second weakest link in the alliance besides Turkey (who are more likely to start a war than have one declared on them). All NATO bases in Germany should be moved to Poland, since Germans complain about them so much anyway.

the us will only become something not western and get close to russia as authoritarian

just do it fatfucks. it would be funny

>>69881134
>All NATO bases in Germany should be moved to Poland, since Germans complain about them so much anyway.
THIS 2bh
Ramstein to Chrząszczyrzewoszyce NOW

>>69881009
>Trump™ tries to bring down the global domination of US and A without realising what he is doing
He's going to bring it back US manufacturing and markets. Oil companies like BP and Dutch-Oil-Shell will be able produce more. The United States doesn't have to shrink, neither does Europe.

Hell i just found out Yoplay is a european company.

>>69880310
It will be comfy actually. Why would Russia attack?

>>69881294
Why would Turkey attack Russia?

>>69881386
What attack? That downed suhkoy?

>>69880310
>>>/pol/

>>69881466
Yea dubs confirms.

>>69881483
t; Merkel authorized spam bot

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>>69881267
What did your country mean by this?

>>69880437
Knowbody wants to abandon poland. But by tradition you're required to wait few years before liberating them.

>>69881543
He's right though; this thread is by definition (and by the rules of 4chan, /int/ and /pol/) a thread which should be on /pol/ rather than /int/.

its funny that Amerifats think the fatland will sill be relevant as/in the west after taking such an irrevocable reckless decision

thats simply no. the world isnt so tolerant and hasnf found it so absolute

you just will only become like china or russia as isolated corrupted society.

Don't want to abandon poland because that would leave the door open to the reds

>>69881134
>doesn't matter if the majority of the population is unwilling to defend a NATO ally if it comes to it
But why, the German military would just do what it is told, do you think the Germans would need to conscript the entire population for the war ?
I thought we moved on to professional, volunteer armies. What about the economy to fund the war, this seems inefficient.
Do you want them to take the average fat neckbearded Hans away from his desk work, give him a rifle and tell him go run at the Russian lines ? If it came to that (i really doubt it) he wouldn't have a choice anyways and he'd be shot if he refused so his consent is irrelevant in the first place

>>69881698
>a thread which should be on /pol/ rather than /int/.
Its an internationally related thread, it could be on /b/ too or /news/.

>>69881499
Erdogan was testing the waters. So was Putin. 3 months later about 20 Turkish pilots were killed in a barely reported terrorist attack in Ankara i think. Since then Turkey and Russia are best buddies. For now at least.

>>69881790
Because the general population being against a war can completely kill a country's war effort (see: every single the US has fought since World War II except for Desert Storm)

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>>69881829
>Since then Turkey and Russia are best buddies. For now at least.
>'the associates of terrorists'

>>69881560
the pronounciation isn't that bad 2bh

It helps if you replace the digraphs with diacritics

Hžanščyžewošyce (where the "H" is a hard h, and the "c" is pronounced "ts")

>>69881887
well, then you would have Czech

>>69880773
Make us, tea sipping fags
:^)

>>69881826
no fuck off to /pol/

you juvenile retarded trump shills have become so fucking annoying and more juvenile than ever on here

stay on the cesspit board /pol/ or go back to /r/THE_Donald or kill your yourself

>>69881921
Czech is even harder than Polish, for example they have extensive palatalization, as well as weird letters such as ů.

>March 2016

Lol

>>69881712
How is the largest economy in the world NOT relevant?

>>69881988
>you juvenile retarded trump shills have become so fucking annoying and more juvenile than ever on here
You're the one going on an uneducated diatribe.

>diminishes NATO

hhehehehe

I look forward to you guys paying my military taxes.

>>69880644
>we have nukes

Uhhh no you guys don't

>>69881868
That's war now. Regional, multiple factions, low intensity.

>>69880437
>russia not attacking poland
trump is going to sell them out first for putin points. other nato members should just watch and start their own army while taking all the eu funds poland leeches away.

>>69882150
France does dumb amerishit

>>69882178
>Regional, multiple factions, low intensity.
Simmering water comes to a boil, then overflows.

The US is the country that benefits the most from NATO yet you're going to make everybody else pay. Fucking nonsense.

>>69882150
>amerifats don't know about the macaroni nukes
>don't have antipasti bunkers

ragazzo...

>>69882273
Given that a united EU army doesn't exist, France is irrelevant

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>>69882294
>The US is the country that benefits the most from NATO

>>69882278
>simmering water comes to a boil, evaporates, the heated bakelite handles of the bowl then start to melt and release smoke


Really not a pleasant thing, take precaution

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>>69881280
>"Europe is an economic giant, a political dwarf, and a military worm."
>-Craig R. Whitney

You'd like the US to become more like Europe? The reason Europe lacks the two of the latter, is because you bear most of its burden. That was all forged right after the WWII by the will of the Allied countries. Cutting some ties now would eventually strengthen Europe and diminish your own global influence.
I personally have absolutely nothing against it, on the contrary, I'm all for it.
I just don't like any sudden moves. It creates chaos.
Even dismantling NATO would be quite ok if you'd allow Germany and Poland to have about 500 nukes each. And a few for us too, you know, for the Hyperwar...

>>69882294
What does the US get out of NATO?

>>69882294
Who cares? Literally every country including pooland is reorienting towards China. Only Russia and Serbia are aligning torwards America.

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>>69882366
If you're cooking something in the pot though, the water will bubble over.

>>69882390
Everybody else's funding to 'liberate' and americanize shitholes. Not that it worked in Afghanistan, the pashtun subhuman talibans got the best of ya, and so did the smelly jihadis in Iraq from 2003 to 2006.

>>69882318
>united EU army does not exist
it will though, they started talks the moment UK left and burgers turning isolationist will only intensify the desire

>>69882455
Depends on the volume of the water in the pot.

Really though, never start cooking pasta while drunk then falling asleep, it's just really bad.

>>69882368
I dont think Europe is a politically dwarf.

Also, Donald Trump has said that the Kiev Ukrainians should get nukes.

>>69880773
>france
>1.8

Why is this allowed?

>>69880310
Nothing probably.

>>69882511
What are you even saying. I'm telling you the world has gone cold torwards america because of their new blind allegiance to moscow.

>>69882534
You're scaring me, I like pasta.

>>69882278
For what reason? Russia wants NATO to scale down or even be abolished. They are strong but not that strong. Why attack a main buyer of their gas and other products? It's about time for Europe to wean off the American army tit anyway.

>>69880310
Nothing

>>69882602
Well... just don't use bakelite pots then... really... You can literally die.

>>69882592
Quoted the wrong post bud. Meant to quote >>69882378

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>>69882550
>Donald Trump has said that the Kiev Ukrainians should get nukes.

Well goodbye, world.

>>69880310
Be free

>>69882294
[Citation needed]

tbqh the more you listen to his cabinet members the more you realise they've got their own agenda and trump is just the figurehead. Why else would mattis run over what he has said and as the first thing state that russia is currently the biggest threat for america?

Wouldn't be at all surprised if pence was actually the shadow president and running the show. Wouldn't actually be such a bad thing since he seems to be aware what kind of bastards russians really are.

>>69882273
The Italian claimed his country had nukes. The anon is wrong.

>>69882653
>It's about time for Europe to wean off the American army tit anyway.
Thats what Donald Trump is giving you

>>69882725
Ukraine had nukes placed in it during Soviet era, not out of the question or war mongering to replace them.

>>69882784
>tbqh the more you listen to his cabinet members

You should go out more. Invite a grill for a beer. Ask some friend to go for a snowball fight...

>>69882826
>had nukes
Whose nukes? Don't be obtuse.

>>69882833
smelly dumb normie scum

>>69880310
While obviously Trump-s profound ignorance of geopolitics and world affairs doesn't allow him to understand NATO, a military allaiance meant to protect Europe from the aggression of foreign states, is not a forum to fight terror (is he going to include the Saudis?) this is one of the handul of times when he comes close to almost being coherent, he-s right in that the US shouldn't be the world's police.

>>69882784
Trump is going to strong arm them into letting USSR 2.0 happen. The writing is on the wall.

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>>69882784
>Wouldn't be at all surprised if pence was actually the shadow president and running the show. Wouldn't actually be such a bad thing since he seems to be aware what kind of bastards russians really are.
Mike Pence is no doubt the number 2. Hes Donald Trumps access to 'establishment' Republicans, yet [Pence] is also a Patriot and Christian and everything America deserves.

>>69882784
The President controls the power. Not the cabinet.

Also, if they don't act like they are toeing the Republican Party line, they can't get confirmed into their position.

>>69882862
Ukraine had worlds 3rd largest nuclear stockpile at 1 point.

>>69882872
bit rude

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>>69882890
>america policing anything

there were 700 murders in chicago last year.

>>69882862
>Ukraine had nukes
>Whose nukes

Obviously the Luxembourgian nukes, whaddya think laddie :^)

>>69882826
He should do it. Not even kidding.

>>69883016
Who gave them the nukes and why? Think critically about this.

>>69883025
You don't have to be good at policing to do it.

Case in point: Middle East 2001-present

>>69883016
Might want to ask yourself if the existence of an object in your territory means that you own it.

>>69883016

ukraine was fine until soros and mccain got involved.

america stirs up fight and than tries to sell some arms. but ukrainians are obviously generaly not very bright

>>69880310
are you chink or gook or spic or an immigrant or something

>>69881043
this

>>69883089
People aren't worried that america is going to stop policing the world. They're worried that Russia became your constable. Trust me if you would just fuck off people the world over would celebrate, instead you just seem to be turning into a remote controlled patsy.

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>>69882784
I think there is no grand plan of any sort. It's all just chaos control.
I think that we're just taught to think that the governments and secret services, etc. are like finely tuned machines, but they're not. They're just like some shitty gas stations, operated by alcoholics and poorly motivated idiots. Even The Great Big Evil Hacker Mastermind, Mother Russia, is best depicted in Admiral Kuznetsov, a laughable rustbucket, that is mustering its last drops of strength to huff and puff for the final time.

It's an odd world.

>>69882934
>[Pence] is also a Patriot and Christian and everything America deserves.
Dog bless

>>69882969
The sidelining is pretty drastic though. When you have such a discrepancy between the commander-in-chief and pretty much the rest of the administration somethings got to give.

>>69883232

have you heard of cia sponsored colour revolutions?

soros ngo? goverment overthrows?

their imperialism has no end.

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>TFW obsolete flyover states determined the outcome of this election

>>69883387
>their imperialism has no end.
>he actually thinks the US is imperialistic
We dont even require tribute.

>>69880773

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>>69883450
The electoral college was a mistake

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>>69883450
>TFW obsolete flyover states determined the outcome of this election

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>>69880310

>>69883450
how can a state be obsolete? Is you state populated by cyborgs?

one thing gives me joy, all those crazy neocons turning into servants when israelis pay them visit.

>>69883451
>occupies foreign "sovereign" countries with its own army
>has a documented history of stagings coups when things don't go their way
>not imperialist

>>69883450
>I despise the demos

pffft

>>69883545
To be fair, that makes almost every nation on earth imperialistic

>>69883451
>We dont even require tribute
This is beyond audacity and stupidity

>>69882817
I think he was talking about Europe as a whole

>>69883524
If you've studied automation at all farmers have gone from humble workers of the land to what can essentially be called corporatist welfare backed quasi-feudal enforcers.

>>69883545
>>69880773
Again, not even requiring tributes.

The US literally offered everyone a free pass and some people actually spited themselves.

>then
RUSSIA IS ENEMY, YUROP LET'S WORK TOGETHER TO STOP THEIR THREAT - t. USA

>now
RUSSIA IS FRIEND, YUROP IS JUST WASTING OUR TIME - t. USA

>>69883524
>how can a state be obsolete?

Outdated rustbelt industries and coal mining. These voters are literally "WE WUZ 35$ an hr with just a high school education and SHIT".

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>>69883613
>This is beyond audacity
You are right brother, the US must pay for establishing secular governments.

>>69883673
well maybe you shouldn't condescend towards them and they'd vote for your candidate

>>69883697
>for establishing secular governments.

hahaha

>US pulls out of NATO
>The whole thing collapses overnight
>New power blocks are formed around the world, but especially in Europe
>WWIII within the next 10 years due to mounting tensions and economic pressure

And so balance is restored, with Europeans killing each other while Americans sit back and laugh.

>>69883666
>RUSSIA IS FRIEND, YUROP IS JUST WASTING OUR TIME - t. USA
But thats true.

>>69883735
>for establishing secular governments.
But thats true.

Have you read the Constitution?

>>69880310
Move to your country =D

>>69882001
Its not

>>69880310
who cares

>>69883697
>secular governments
sharter i...
even in terms of dictators the soviets backed castro you guys backed papa doc

>>69883809
The Soviets also backed the Derg and Pol Pot. Not sure what your point is

>>69883797
You are welcome anytime Asspain.

>>69883755
>while Americans sit back and laugh
Do ya honestly believe this? If WWIII happens it won't because US got stronger, it would be because it got weaker as you pointed out, and the weak attracts the beasts.

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>>69883778
>Have you read the Constitution?

What exactly does your constitution have to do with american imperialism?
Hundreds of thousands of ended lives have, in a way, a broader importance than a few written words.

>>69883838
The us simply does not fund secular governments when given the choice. It's just that simple.

>still hasn't #lockedherup
>believing anything he said prior to being elected

>>69883864
Beasts like who? China? They've already done as much as they can without attracting the rest of the worlds ire. The US economy isn't going to fail simply because it doesn't have troops in Poland anymore

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>>69883886
>What exactly does your constitution have to do with american imperialism?
What exactly do a few thousands lives have to do with American imperialism.

There is a system here that works, if you don't adopt the 3-co equal branches that are of secular origin.... Thats ok, we aren't forcing that.

Imperialism would be not allowing Monarchies or socialist economies.

>>69883896
Which is correct, the US funds whatever suits its interests, like any other nation on the planet

>>69880773
Bravo Estonia!

>>69883979
I really don't know what you're talking about.

Yes, I realise that your constitution calims the tennents of modern humanism and so on and so on, but american foreign policy certainly does not "establish secular governments" as a rule.

>>69884064
sorry for the bad grammar, the rum is really kicking in :X:D::X:D:D:DDD

[you dirty monolingual]

>>69884064
>>69884103
>but american foreign policy certainly does not "establish secular governments" as a rule.
Thats why its ~not~ imperialists.

We aren't forcing our values. Our values, however, are on open display.

>>69883545
What you call american imperialism is actually the eisenhower doctrine. Out of the 12 regime changes between 1945-1989 that the US took a part in 10 of them were to counter soviets setting up sympathetic communist states (vassals) to avoid another north korea and later a new cuba situation from arising. The fact that 8 of them happened in south america clearly shows that americans were mostly acting preemptively against encroaching soviet aggression, except in the case of grenada and iran. Funnily enough the iran coup was entirely planned by brits, but americans always get the glory.

So considering that the soviet union didn't even bother enstalling sympathetic leaders but rather forcefully integrated countries into the warsaw pact I'd say the americans were once again the good guys here. I'd much rather have them running around the world and occasionally fucking up than immoral russians who don't even bother trying to keep up appearances.

>>69883937
>imblying
If US abandons its allies, then say goodbye to trade influence and your export military industry, and that's just the beginning. It's going to be a slow but huge snowball effect.

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>>69884113
>Our values, however, are on open display.

yes, indeed

>>69883731
Maybe if they weren't babies that voted with their emotions they'd be regarded more fondly.

>>69884130
I agree, US maybe fucking the rest of the world in the ass but they have the decency to say ""shhh it's only dreams now""

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>>69883778
>RUSSIA IS FRIEND, YUROP IS JUST WASTING OUR TIME - t. USA
>But thats true.

The worst thing about the US foreign policy has been its erratic and reactive nature. It's like a bipolar nation, on a completely wrong medication.

>>69884141
>then say goodbye to trade influence and your export military industry
The US has influence because it's a massive developed economy, not the other way around. Everyone wants to access US markets, and US products are exported across the world. The Pharmacutical and Computing industry for example would be tiny fractions of what they are now without the US market share

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>>69884197
yes, indeed

>>69880773
How is it possible to miss such a low bar by so much?

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>>69884250
>The worst thing about the US foreign policy has been its erratic and reactive nature.
Europe is wasting our time and in some cases outright screwing us over.

>>69884255
everything you said is also true for China, and majority of growth to global corporations happens in Asia, not NA. The balance is changing, and isolative policies will hurt your economy rather than improve it.

>>69883755
> And so balance is restored, with Europeans killing each other while Americans sit back and laugh.


Nigga the US economy will fall into a recession and you'll probably lose your job. This isn't WW1, the global economy is way too interconnected,

>>69884284

Yeah, it's nice of you to pop up an image of a man that owned up to 600 slaves during his lifetime.

>>69881267
The dual Polish love of other people's money and pissing off Russia is charming in it's simplicty.

Vote seconded, we move Rammstein to that place.

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>>69884422
Heres one that didnt.

See how freedom works?

>>69884204
Are you implying that Clinton supporters supported her because of cold and calculating pragmatism? No emotions at all?

Everyone votes with their emotions, even (you)

>>69880310
Anyone who thinks the European NATO countries couldn't defeat Russia in a war are dumb.

>>69883697
They're pseudo secular, pseudo constitutional puppet governments, with corrupt leaders and ministers. And they do pay tonns and tribute in the price of blood and resources (that your government steals from them)

>>69884113
>We aren't forcing our values.
But you're forcing the politics of making your own profits through the medium of cluster bombing. >>69884284
Jefferson would have started using heroin seeing the state of his country now.

>>69884593
tonns of*

>>69884510
>See how freedom works?

I'm not sure what you're implying...

Almost religious worship of statesmen is not beneficial to your personal civic duty though, in my opinion.

>>69884516
>Are you implying that Clinton supporters supported her because of cold and calculating pragmatism? No emotions at all?
No, I didn't mention Clinton or any candidate at all.

>Everyone votes with their emotions, even (you)
I'm too intelligent to vote :^))

>>69882784
The Republicans in the Senate hire the cabinet, not the President. Anything they're saying now is just telling the idiots in Congress whatever they want to hear so they can get the job.

>>69883450
BASED California

The Baltics are on the precipice of being invaded.

Goodbye /balt/ lads

>>69884653
>Almost religious worship of statesmen is not beneficial to your personal civic duty though, in my opinion.
Our values are on display.

The US was Founding by many people, their stories are religious worship.

>>69884420
>you'll probably lose your job
I work in heathcare, so not likely.
>the global economy is way too interconnected,
Worth it to see smug Europoors get btfo

>>69881712
>isolated corrupted society
>from a jap

>>69884358
You're completely failing to see how every past government you've had, has actively supported the status quo of things, and not thought Europe as a "waste of time" or an enemy that "has screwed us over". Basically because VW emission shit just doesn't compare with all the fucking illegal wars you've executed all over the goddamn globe.

>>69884404
China is a country with 1 billion + people. It should rightfully have the worlds largest economy. That doesn't make the US irrelevant, especially considering how much the world rely on its tech industry.

>>69884690
>I am smart, so much smarter than my fellow man

hmm

>>69880310
They're going to do the same thing Germany did.
>We're going to take our tanks to the gunnery ranges. Just thought you'd like to know. Don't want to scare Oma and Opa.
> But you can't shoot on Sundays, or during rush hour, or meal times, and must use Green-approved bullets.
> Yeah, um, about that...
>Amis Raus!
>Well, Bye
> W-we were only making with the jokes, you see.
> Yeah; hey Poland, you have some empty Commie bases, right?
> Sure, comrade!
> Oh, scheisse. No more rents, and taxes, and car sales, and schranks, and parking tickets, and
> Well, we must still pay our Turks generously, or they may dislike us on the international stage.
> Oh, we can do this Euro thing. We will promise a generous exchange rate when they turn in DM, but Hahaha, only making with the jokes again, it will really be 1 to 1.
> Out you go, Oma and Opa. No more pension or rent.

>>69884861
>Basically because VW emission shit just doesn't compare with all the fucking illegal wars you've executed all over the goddamn globe.
What illegal wars?

Europeans attacked Libya.

>>69884777
I mean, this is just so fucking stupid it's sad that you've even come to write this up.

>>69884674
>I'm too intelligent to vote :^))
Hey, me too.

>>69884915
Iraq
and
uhhh
hmm....
wait
okay
vietnam?

>>69884690
This. Literally look at the amount of butthurt from flyover cuckolds on /int/ when someone points out how irrelevant/stupid they are

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>eastern european migrant crisis
>fleeing their shitholes, going to latin america and trying to jump the border into america
>all the illegal poles

Who'd have thought that in 2017 the US president would be literally under the control of the Russian president?

>>69884861
A lot of those wars were committed in the first place to preserve European colonial/corporate interests. (Vietnam, Congo, Nigeria etc.). It's not like either of us have clean hands in this.

>>69884918
I'm sorry, the US was founded by extraordinary people. Unearthly people.

Scientists, theologians, commoners, explorers, conquistadors.

They aren't pretty worthy people compared to some middle eastern nobody who isn't allowed to be pictured.

>>69884874
The trouble with Socialism is you eventually run our of other people's money.

>>69884973
300ish years of US history and you can't even think of an illegal war.

Really makes you think huh? Now lets see how many wars European countries have been involved in over history..................

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>europeans about to get PUTINED

Yeah, nah. Fuck wasting billions on you ingrateful fucks and the EU. Eat shit.

>>69885016
>Republicans outright sucking Russia's dick to stay relevant

What a time to be alive

>>69885082
I know this site doesn't demand much from an individual, but I seriously recommend you get some perspective on the geopolitical and historical picture of countries outside the USA.

>>69885082
Don't be a cunt dude.

>>69884915
So you've forgotten all about losing a war to some Vietnamese rice farmers in a jungle, or playing some little war games in the Persian Gulf, or invading Saddam's precious, (and oil-rich) piece of a fucking desert? Basically you really, really, really had to stretch to justify any of those """"incidents"""".

>>69884197
Fucking hell. Is that a kid?

>>69880644
Nukes are a deterrent. They'll never be used on an active populace again

>>69885138
The delusion of grandeur with Americans is amazing.
NATO is useless, never had a purpose, never will

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>>69885246
Your delusions will be a reality when Putin is sticking his dick in your useless continent.

Can't wait for ethnic French women to be spitroasted by American and Russian soldiers.

Russia was a great US ally prior to the Bolshevik revolution.

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>>69885082
>They aren't pretty worthy people compared to some middle eastern nobody who isn't allowed to be pictured.
That reminds me of the most retarded shit in relation to America. On the building of the Supreme Court, there are depictions of the Great Lawmakers including Alfred the Great (who made the most important legal reforms to England prior to the Normans introducing Common Law), Saint Louis (who heavily reformed France's legal system including the Prud'Homme, which still exists today) and Napoleon (who created the Code Civil and changed civil law around the world). They also wanted to include Muhammad, but decided against it after CAIR (some Muslim interest group in America) threw a hissyfit about it. They have a Catholic Saint on there, but Muhammad? Nah, that's just going too far!

That said, I'm happy they listened and didn't put Muhammad up there. That bloodthirsty warlord and his horrific "laws" that kill thousands every day doesn't deserve to be up there with the legal gamechangers like Napoleon.

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>>69885138
>"""AMERICAN EDUCATION"""

>>69885174
>but I seriously recommend you get some perspective on the geopolitical and historical picture of countries outside the USA.
You don't even know basics about US history.

You're bitching and complaining about how the US is imperialist but you dont even know that definition either.

>>69881267
Get ready for your women to get blacked by our soldiers.

>>69885115
I guess the problem with imperialism is that you eventually run out of other people's countries too.

>>69885238
Who knows, drones drop bombs, people die, quite possibly.

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>>69885334
>america hates ivan pre-trump
>america grovels at ruskie feet post-trump
????

>>69885217
>losing a war to some Vietnamese rice farmers in a jungle
Haha cool meme. Man, im so angry now. Wo.

Tell me again about illegal wars? I'm still waiting for proofs.

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>>69885341
>asshurt neocon warmongering faggot his old dying bitch who was set on starting WW3 lost

>>69884870
That almost sounds like something """President""" Trump would say. Probably an excerpt from his """inauguration""" speech.

>>69885386
Christ. That's fucked up.

>>69884344
Luxembourg is the only one that gets off. They have less than 600,000 citizens, they bought a few AWACS planes for NATO. Their army is literally part of the Police

No other ones get off like Germany, France, and Italy

>>69885337
>They have a Catholic Saint on there, but Muhammad? Nah, that's just going too far!
Islam is a cult desu.

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>>69885413
>If you aren't being a warmongering piece of shit you're groveling

>>69885334
Lmao this will literally never happen, worst case, the Baltic are gone but no one gives a shit about the baltic.
Meanwhile, the USA is well on it's way to become a third world country, you should focus on your problems not our imaginary one.

>>69885476
I would agree with this Americans didn't give Mormons so much leeway.

>>69885486
>>If you aren't being a warmongering piece of shit you're groveling

>he says, lapping at his dog bowl filled with russian cum

>>69880310
join 1S1S

>>69885452
>Calls me an asshurt neocon warmongering faggot


Wew lad, sound like you're trying to compensate for something. Maybe read a history book or two to realize that the United States is a global player for a reason.

>>69885504
Mormons were the American Puritans.

Get out- go west. Get out of my town.

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>>69885413
>pre-trump

Because we had useless neocon interventionist faggots since JFK you fucking idiot.

We are tired of playing world police and defending your shitty countries.

You are toddlers suckling on your mommies tits while being 40. When she tries to get you to switch to a glass of milk you start wailing and screaming.

Must speak to be responsible for your own defense now, huh? Retarded fuck.

>>69885486
No offence but at this point it is grovelling.

>>69885498
>the Baltic are gone but no one gives a shit about the baltic.
The Baltics are part of the EU you dumb cunt
>Meanwhile, the USA is well on it's way to become a third world country,
The irony coming from France is immense. Have you noticed that you have literal slums poping up all around your country?

>>69885347
Imperialism has nothing to do with the setting up of secular, or similar, governments. Lots of empires allowed provinces and vassals to maintain relative political and religious autonomy.

>>69885468
I know that it might seem that way, but overall, we're heading in a good direction. The wars, imperialism and unecessary deaths are just a diversion, eventually we'll get to a better place. Too bad about all the dead children though.

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>>69885376

>>69885334
you're being too obvious, vyacheslav

>>69885470
Not really, considering we're talking about percentages here. 2% of their GDP would be small, but 2% is 2%.

>>69885557
>Must speak to be responsible for your own defense now
>must speak

what did he mean by this?

>>69885564
>Imperialism has nothing to do with the setting up of secular, or similar, governments.
Imperialism has everything to do with that.

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>>69880310
>Europeans sent troops to aid the US in countless wars in the middle of nowhere (including Iraq and Afghanistan which they're still helping us with)
>US won't support its allies

Disgrace.

>>69885536
No you fucking idiot. We became a global power because of our industrial strength and economy. Not sticking our dicks in every third world shithole to fight the red scare, EBIL DICTATORS or some other bullshit you neocon faggots like to conjecture up.

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>>69885578

>>69885560
How?
>>69885511
You've just reinforced my point...

>>69885563
This might come as a shock to someone but the french don't care about anyone else except themselves. I doubt a single frenchman would be ready to lift a finger if a country in the EU was attack by russia the same way they attacked ukraine.

This is all very ironic considering they were themselves saved from a foreign invader by other countries not that long ago.

>>69884422
He had sex with his slaves

>>69880310
Fucking finally some good news

>>69885605
Phone autocorrection lad :^)

>>69885657
not being a warmongerer =/= slutting yourself up and spreading eagle for rossiya

>>69885705
>phoneposter
truly the worst class of human bean

>>69885607
And yet many of the largest empires made no effort to control religion or theocratic rule.

I don't think you know what imperialism means

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>>69885705
>phoneposting

>>69885416
>Tell me again about illegal wars?
>illegal
You're starting to nitpick about a choice of words?

Let me rephrase it to you:
>Not morally justifiable wars
Not many, if any, wars would be morally justifiable, but the aforementioned were just way too fucking far for even to be close to be considered "ok, it's alright".

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>>69885697
Finally Russia will let US have bases in their country!

>>69885607
That and binding them under your complete economic and militaristic control. You can say what you want about americans but all their allies are more than free to cut ties and leave any moment they want, even the "cucked" countries like germany or japan. No body of course wants to do this though because being friends with americans is actually pretty good.

>>69885743
I think we can all agree with that. You're right btw

>>69885735
>And yet many of the largest empires made no effort to control religion or theocratic rule.
Never said they did or didnt.

You obviously don't know what imperialism is, since you keep dodging it.

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>>69885498
Our GDP is rapidly growing you fucking idiot. Trump is bringing back thousands of manufacturing jobs while yet to take office.

This is europe:

>HURR FUCKING AMERIFATS GET YOUR BASES AND TROOPS OUT OF OUR COUNTRIES STOP STARTING WARS
ok
>N-NO PLEASE DON'T STOP PLEASE DEFEND US PLEASE CONTINUE TO OPPOSE RUSSIA AND CHINA AND PROXY WARS ALL THE TIME

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>>69885787
*system crashes*
>reboot y/n?

>>69885777
>ou can say what you want about americans but all their allies are more than free to cut ties and leave any moment they want
Its true, we accept criticism and sometimes are rejected.

>>69885603
They have about 800 soldiers, officers and civilians in the army

If they put another 1.5% JUST into soldiers, they would only have 3,200 soldiers which would be a small regiment in the UK

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>>69885885

>>69885654
>American education

You became a superpower because you were the only populous and rich country left after 2 world wars and because you enacted policies that propped you up. Did you think the Truman policy or the Marshall Plan were based on altruism? They came with strings that fueled American economies.

>>69885888
Yeah, so? A regiment is nothing to sneeze at in an international coalition. There's no excuse for not fulfilling your obligations.

>>69885846
>HURR FUCKING AMERIFATS GET YOUR BASES AND TROOPS OUT OF OUR COUNTRIES STOP STARTING WARS
This is us.
>N-NO PLEASE DON'T STOP PLEASE DEFEND US PLEASE CONTINUE TO OPPOSE RUSSIA AND CHINA AND PROXY WARS ALL THE TIME
This is the shit countries in eastern Europe I couldn't care less if Russia annexed them.
Kindly, get your nigger soldiers off our continent.

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>>69885511
Your lapping up EU cum while continuing to abide by 95% of all EU regulations with masses regretting their votes while your economy goes down the shitter.

We simply want to restore normal ties with russia

>>69882243
This. Trump is going to sell Europe out to Putin, with Poland, Latvia, and Estonia being the first three to fall. Of course, I don't know how the Americans will feel about their president being Putin's cocksleeve, so maybe that won't happen.
Then again, poor and middle class Americans actually think Trump is going to help them in the end run, so maybe anything is possible.

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>>69885937
Oh we will, Pierre.

>>69885787
Mate, not cool to end a debate like this. We're not CIVIL on the Internet.
CALL ME A CUNT AT LEAST FFS

>>69885946
>normal ties

mate, there's a difference between being friendly with them and wanting them to turn your asshole inside out

>>69885946
>your economy goes down the shitter

The British economy is on the up, thanks to the lower value of the pound exports are up.

>>69885930
Yeah, and the only reason Britain became a superpower is because everyone ganged up on France for two decades without intermission.

And France only became a superpower because half of Europe collectively decided to fuck up the Habsburgs.

And the Habsburgs only became a superpower because... see where I'm going here?

That said, America's rise to prominence was inevitable, as was that of Russia. When you have a huge country full of resources with a massive and rapidly growing population (America had Nigeria-tier fertility rates as well as massive migration from Europe) in a country that's both industrialized and has a solid education system, what happens?

The Louisiana Purchase sealed the deal, after that the American Empire was inevitable. The question was no longer if, but when.
https://www.stratfor.com/analysis/geopolitics-united-states-part-1-inevitable-empire
Without the world wars France and Britain would still be big players, but they'd play second fiddle to America and possibly a non-soviet Russia.

>>69885946
>Britain ended last year as the strongest of the world’s advanced economies with growth accelerating in the six months after the Brexit vote.
>Business activity hit a 17-month high last month, meaning that the economy grew by 2.2 per cent last year — more than the six other leading nations, including the US, Germany and Japan.

>>69885930
Yes. Two wars that involved aggression towards us you fucking idiot. Superpower means promarily economically, military influence.

Afghanistan didn't. Vietnam didn't. Korea didn't, Iraq didn't, etc.

Trump is going to increase military spending but he won't use it to defend you useless fucks. You will do business with the largest econony in the world like it or not.

>>69885975
>Americans will feel about their president being Putin's cocksleeve
He has the lowest approval score of any american president-elect in history and people will be watching him and the republicans (mostly republicans because trump is out of control) like hawks for any sign of leniency towards the russians. It might even be that the russians hurt themselves in the long run by meddling since contrary to popular opinion americans aren't idiots.

They know they've been fucked with and they've got their pride. It's all just being overshadowed by partisan infighting at the moment but I wouldn't be surprised if a few months later putin will be diagnosed with cancer just like chavez.

>>69886210
>It's all just being overshadowed by partisan infighting at the moment but I wouldn't be surprised if a few months later putin will be diagnosed with cancer just like chavez.
Just coincidence, if so. Everyones got it these days. But the democrats used to shill for Soviets during cold war. The shift isn't anything to fear.

>>69885732
>let's restore normal relations with russia
>let's stop our massive foreign interventionism in war
>let's stop spending billions defending countries in a union that can greatly defend themselves on their own

>P-PUTINBOT

kys

>>69886072
Britain became a superpower because they forged the world's largest empire and catalysed an industrial revolution

France was a super power because they built the world's strongest army based on merit instead of blood

Germany became a superpower because they united fractious nations and pushed modernisation

America became a superpower because the other, self-built, superpowers rekt eachother and they happened to be in the right place at the right time with the right population. Just dumb luck and lots of sex/immigration

What good do Americans get from influence in Europe?
They're not stupid to spend all that money for nothing, reason Trump wants to spend less money is because it doesn't benefit him. Who does it benefit to then?

>>69886333
>kys

stopped reading

>>69886210
>few months later putin will be diagnosed with cancer just like chavez.
I would like that Finland. I would also like that in a couple of months, Trump drops out of presidency because of "health" problems and Mike Pence becomes president. He may hate homosexuals, but at least he follows unspoken rules and doesn't use twitter.

>>69886169
>being this bumblasted

Canada doesn't rely in American protection, but will continue to enjoy it as we live on your border, are you largest energy supplier, and your biggest trade partner.

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>EUROSHITS BTFO

>>69884874
>Americans think their occupation troops finance the German pension system
wow

>>69886033
>>69886037
How the fuck is cutting military spending to countries that can defend themselves and even more by using that money on our own country and people instead lapping up Russian cum?

How is not wishing to engage in constant aggression with Russia sucking their dick?

You're a fucking idiot and this idiocy is what led to Brexit being arguably the biggest disaster of 2016.

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>>69886609
>How is not wishing to engage in constant aggression with Russia sucking their dick?

Russia constantly flashes their dick in our face. If we start withdrawing troops from NATO outposts abroad, we're basically pussy ass bitches. This would give Putin a free reign to do whatever the fuck he wants to worldwide (which he will).

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>>69886333
>>69886609
>w-we're not grovelling at all
>honest!
>we're just trying to restore normal ties
>a-and cut back spending!
>;^)

>>69886428
Really? Look at the Yuros ITT bitching and moaning about less NATO gibs.

>>69880310
dunno... nato never became what it shoul've been. he's right that there should be a change with it... What changes he wants I don't know, he's just saying hurr durr so unfair, but he treats other ppl unfair as well.. i'll just wait till he decides what he wants to change

>>69886697
>that pic

Putin doesn't give a fuck about America. He's going to use Trump to advance's Russian interests worldwide, while NATO gets the short end of the stick.

>>69886781
you're right, I probably should've used a bdsm pic - america being bound, tied and blindfolded whilst being spanked by russia.

I'm not getting off to this, by the way.

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>>69886714
>caring about Euro tears

>>69886694
Because we do the same to them. See
>>69885761

>>69886697
Love your years ladm8

I pray you get steamrolled while we sit back and laugh

>>69887039
not an arguement

>>69886363
No one?

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Jokes aside I hope murricans are taking notes about this thread. Euros are shitting their pants at the thought of the US leaving nato. It should be obvious by this point that we need you guys more than you need euros, but at the same time I have no doubt that after you've cleared up your internal squabbling you'll remember who was there to celebrate your 240th year of independence and who'll also be there for the 250th.

>>69887156
>america
>clearing up their internal squabbling

lol

>>69886478
Account for the 6 billion missing DM / Euros we "contributed" to your annual economy.

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>>69887014
>every leaf post ITT has been completely irrelevant and pic related

Just rangeban all leafs on this fucking board already, I don't know what the fuck went wrong with all the Canadians

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>>69887039
>Because we do the same to them. See
Do you expect those countries to have no military bases whatsoever? They show up as NATO bases because every now and then our troops do military exercises there.

Russians keep nuclear missiles in Kaliningrad and they're openly invading one of our allies (Ukraine).

>>69885470
Obviously Luxembourg is irrelevant but how does everyone else fuck up so bad and by such a large amount? Like all these countries at 1%: it's like failing a test designed for kindergarteners.

>>69887179
>the eternal problem with democracy

Is exactly what China is cheering about in all of this recent division in the West currently.

>>69887239
>they invade one of our "allies" (allies being only because they border russia)
>we spent years bombing and invading their allies
>lol who cares bro

lmao

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>>69887310
>realizing that this election wasn't rigged by the russians
>realizing this was all part of the chinese masterplan to disrupt the west

oh FuCK

>>69887353
>>lol who cares bro

isn't this literally what you are saying in regards to nato and russian military dick-waving?

>>69887432
No you see. When America invades and bombs allies of Russia it's ok!

One hohol shithole where most of the residents were Russians and voted to join Russia? The horror!

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>>69887353
>"allies"

Ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons and in turn we are supposed to protect them.

A military alliance works both ways. The Europeans have helped us in numerous wars that helped advance our worldwide interests and we can't abandon them when it's our turn to protect them from Russian aggression.

>>69887179
Pragmatism always wins over flared up emotions and hurt butts. Better to work it out every now and then rather than have it all explode in your face at a later time.

Like in every authoritarian regime ever.

>>69887503
>When America invades and bombs allies of Russia it's ok!

no one is saying this, friend. we're just saying, that just because you've pulled out of europe won't stop putin waving his manlet cock in your face and shitting on you yanks. if anything, it'll make it easier for the 5'3" fucker

>>69887513
>helped us in wars

Praytell?

Iraq was a disaster and should jave not happened. Iraq was literally better under Saddam.

Same with Libya and Gaddafi.

Funding the Muhjadeen against the Soviets led to the rise of the Taliban and Al Qaeda.

Vietnam was a disaster.

What else friendo?

Destabilizing Syria by the west funding """"""""moderates"""""""""" against a secular leader who kept secterian and extremist strife largely under control is working though!

Lmao @ neocon policy

>>69887714
>Iraq was a disaster and should jave not happened
Exactly, but our European allies still sent their troops to fight and die in our war. It's the same for all the other wars you mentioned.

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>>69887399
I readily welcome another dynasty of the Chinese, and their terracotta armies.

>>69887580
Nah. We're adopting the tortoise approach. Trump increases military funding, we don't use increased resources to defend your cuckholes and maintain a policy of relative isolationism :^)

Putin won't nuke Europe as much as I wish he did. Go to bed now.

>>69887911
isolationism does not mean bending over backwards for putin.

>>69887770
And we have provided decades of defense through NATO. Them sending a few hundred soldiers does not mean shit.

>>69887986
This is what you are equating it to idiot.

>less resources will be invested into nato
>"putin lapdog putin lapdog!"

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>>69888117
>act like a groveler
>get buttblasted when being called out for being a groveler

hm really makes u fink

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>>69887911
>hating on europe this much
>the birth place of white civilization

Jealousy perhaps?

>>69888254
Oh trust me. it's far less than the situation with you and the EU. Enjoy abiding by the vast majority of regulations.

>>69880773
B-but I love you.
;-;

>>69888339
>Enjoy abiding by the vast majority of regulations.

You lads ever see something so ironic, you could taste the iron?

>>69888400
The iron that is Putin's iron boots himself crushing your thick skulls?

We audi of NATO. Enjoy defending your own country.

>>69888470
>The iron that is Putin's iron boots himself crushing your thick skulls?

there you go, grovelling again.

>>69888481
:^)

>>69882243
>putin points
how many tendies can we buy with those

>>69888507
;^)

>>69887986
no, but it hopefully means not caring when he decides to anally ravage you faggots.

if we declare war on russia im draft dodging :^)

>>69888618
>draft dodging
You wouldn't need to mate, even with the most dire conscription laws they still have a weight limit.

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>>69888117
Well that's pretty much what it ultimately equates to. You yourself are an idiot, if you simplify things to this level, and decide to deny any complexities in the global relations, when under fast and drastic changes, such as sudden uncommittedness to NATO.

>>69888808
Good. Fuck you and now I will be fapping to the videos of Russian soldiers and Finnish girls on xvideos.

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>>69889174
absolutely fucking buttblasted

>>69888663
Your women are too ugly to be raped though.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/sex/6542263/British-people-among-worlds-ugliest-according-to-BeautifulPeople.com.html

Swift AK shot to the back of the head shall do it instead.