Will Spanish eventually diverge into different languages? How

>>69804821
They are already different languages.
I do not understand any spaniard south of Madrid.
Nobody understand chileans.
Hearing an argie talk for more than 5 minutes gives you a headache.
People in Peru, Bolivia and Paraguay speak their india-sudaca meme languages.
People in the caribbean speak too fast and niggerish to be understood.
The others just sound funny.

it doesn't because media which slows or even stops regionalization
plus they have a spanish academy just like the french academy which publishes proper spanish usage

>>69804821
No it won't, the whole idea of having a regulator body for our language like the Real Academia is precissely to avoid that. There's enough media exchange "standard Spanish" doesn't vary all that much throughout Latin America.

From what I know, argentinian spanish is quite different to the rest...

I don't think they'll diverge, there's too much communication between latinos these days that will keep it one language. Kind of like how American English never diverged too far from British English.

>How different are dialects in different countries?

Pretty different. Certain words can mean wildly different things in different countries ("coger", for example).
The accents obviously vary, Argentines sound like drunk Italians and Spaniards sound like homosexuals. Certain pronouns are only used in certain countries, and some dialects, like Cuban and Chilean, show a complete lack of respect for grammar and for whichever poor unfortunate soul happens to be listening to them.

>>69804913
Probably yes, but only chileans.

But also, we have the RAE, which if it weren't run by retarded SJW's we could have a nice standardized language.

>>69804821
>Will Spanish eventually diverge into different languages?
yeah, give it another 300 years or so
>Do hispanophone countries have a lot of cultural and populational exchange now?
no, that's not the reason between the interchangeability
spanish language is ruled by a single academy set in Spain. all spanish speakers are taught the same spanish
but we all have our own lexicon and our own accents. like this poor excuse of a (dreamworks) troll here said >>69804913 the low lives of each region speak a very strange version of spanish that other people would have hard time recognizing it. in time all the population might speak like that or not

>>69804913
>People in the caribbean speak too fast and niggerish to be understood.

If we talk fast enough nobody can figure out what we're saying and they'll leave us alone so we can go to the beach

>>69804990
nah, they just have an Italian singsong, other than a few local excentricities like voseo and some vocabulary the differences are minute, the language is perfectly intelligible across all Spanish speakng countries if people don't start taklking like street trash.

>>69804913
It's because of posts like these people call you Asspain

>>69804990
argentinian SPANISH only has this cute lisp
what you refer to is the Lunfardo dialect, which is the spanification of Lombardian language
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_5QOymMgD8

>>69804821
no
spanish will keep evolving but it wont diverge even if some countries have their own grammar variety or words

ITT: tiraflechas can't handle banter

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>>69805055
>voseo
Why this exists? Spanish is already retarded enough with Tú, Usted(es) e Vosotros

>>69805055
>>69804990
also, mind you that's "only" the Plata/Patagonia region, Argentina is a BIG country (inb4 "for u") so there's several other accents: cordobese, tucuman, correntine, etc.

>>69804821
>english is spoken in many countries, but they have a lot of intercommunication, so it wont diverge (for now)
there are a fuckload of creoles throughout the world
the roots of the divergence are already there, even though everyone relevant speaks a unified version

same with latin in the late roman empire

>>69804821
Portuguese can be divided between Brazilian and European Portuguese, it is like American and British English, also the writing language is being standardized by both Portugal and Brazil.

>>69804821
I can perfectly understand all of the spanish speaking countries. But it is hard when caribeans, chileans and a few others speak too fast.

>>69804913
patrician as fuck

>>69805125
The written language*

Many brazilians have trouble understanding portuguese accents but I honestly think it's just a matter of getting used to it. I have no trouble watching portuguese news channels or listening to their music.

>>69805125
how many regional accents are there in brazil?

I can understand everyone except Chileans. God only knows what they're saying.

>>69805111
I like voseo. I would never use it, but it sounds kind of cool.

>Vosotros

Now this, this is a stupid meme that I hate. Just use ustedes you overcomplicating fucks

>>69805069

Holy shit... What was that? I didn't get a shit..

It actually sounds like a drunk italian or something...

>>69805170
>vosotros
Literally nobody outside of Spain uses that word

>>69805111
It exists in argentina, both guays, bolivia, meme parts of colombia, nicaragua and costa rica.
You do not need it if you want to go somewhere civilized.

>>69804913
>>69805005
>>69805170

>le nobody understand chileans meme

>>69804913
I once heard a woman speaking on tv and she sounded kind of Chilean to me. She was from southern Spain, I think.
Does that make any sense? Maybe I remember it wrong.

>>69805230
It is true though. I legit do not understand half of the shit you say.

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>>69805111
voseo ain't that hard, just destroy the usual academy rules and you'll be fine:
>parana/salvadoran variant:
use vos as 2nd person singular and ustedes as 2nd person plural,
take away the i from every 2nd P. plural conjugation (instead of "tenéis" it's "tenés", instead of "sois" it's "sos") and use it as singular
>chilean/honduran variant:
keep using tú as 2nd P. singular and use ustedes as 2nd P. plural,
and take away the e from the verb (instead of "tenéis" it's "tenís", instead of "sois" it's "soi")
... or something like that

>>69805239
Most immigration from spain to south america comes from there and galicia so it is possible. It also makes sense because nobody understands them

>>69805170
They do use vosotros in Spain, I kinda like it better than voseo tbqh although it sounds a bit archaic to Mexicans, likewise usted is very strong in Mexico and Colombia but I think sounds archaic to most others.

>>69805170
I like it, reminds me of ancient portuguese
>>69805205
Equatorial guinea still uses it :^)

>>69805230
It's not a meme. I genuinely don't understand you. I want to, but I can't.

>>69805295
Usted is very strong for cubans too, or maybe I just grew up with a lot of polite people.

>>69805167
I would guess 10 to 15

>>69804821
> Spanish eventually diverge into different languages?
Given enough time, all colonial languages will diverge into multiple dialects, then standards, then languages. They won't coincide with country borders, but develop like a bunch of continua.

Also, due to Portuguese-Spanish mutual inteligibility, it's quite possible some portuñol (surzhyk-like dialects) eventually develop into their own languages.

>Do hispanophone countries have a lot of cultural and populational exchange now?
Well, there are some population exchanges in Latin America, mainly between neighbours - for example Paraguayans living here in Paraná and vice-versa. But I have no numbers to provide you.

>English is spoken in many countries, but they have a lot of intercommunication, so it wont diverge (for now).
Actually intercommunication doesn't really stop language evolution - if anything, it makes mutations spread faster and people be aware of different accents (and thus trying to protect their own).

>How different are dialects in different countries?
For Spanish, I'd rather not answer this one.
For Portuguese: it can range from small differences to barely comprehensible stuff. Heck, I have an easier time understanding Kirchner's Porteño Spanish than those guys http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ab6_1372968263 (NSFW - gore), even if the later technically speaks the same language as me.

>>69805230
not even chileans understand flaite, you gotta admit
compare https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kneUTYrKUzM
with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYYm8UB5pxA

>>69805230
>meme

>Watch any porn with a latin american girl in it
>Understand everything, no problem
>Watch chilean porn
>Don't understand a shit

>>69805215
>>69805260
But from where it comes from? Is itjust a bastardisation or is it just some ancient form that was preserved?

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How much better is their gdp per capita than yours?
Best meme colony

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>>69805167
Hard to define. Here is a map on how BRs pronounce stuff, in order:
>open or closed vowels
>if they use tu or você (you)
>how to pronounce R
>how to pronounce S
>how to pronounce TI/DI

>>69805364
I think ours is like $55,000....

>>69805359
>some ancient form that was preserved?
this one

>>69805295
there's a region in Colombia (and there's Costa Rica) where ustedeo is vital though, they take pride in not using tú or vos

>>69805359
why not both lol?
vos as 2nd person singular was dropped in dunno what century, 18th or 19th, but you know how backwater we can get. so yeah

>>69804821
Other than slang, it is pretty easy to understand each other. And slang isn't hard either way, just like the difference between "lad, dude, cunt, mate, etc.". You get used to slang really quickly.

does anyone say nosotros/nosotras or vosotros/vosotras or is it usually just nos and vos?

>>69805359

An ancient form that was preserved but obviously modified. It used to be popular in Spain in the 15th century so it spread to the colonies but was abandoned some centuries later.

The richer colonies (Peru and Mexico) changed with Spain and abandoned vos but the more backwater and isolated ones kept it.

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>>69805385
>R gutural
ABRE A PORRRGHTA MARIQUEIIINHA

>>69805446
Nosotros/nosotras and ustedes.

>>69805446
nos is not the same as nosotros
one is indirect object and the other isn't

same for vosotros

>>69805446
nos is not a personal pronoun, it is a possesive.
Spain uses the nosotros/vosotros except for the canary islands that use usted/ustedes.

>>69805259
>>69805307
>>69805322
>>69805331

FUCK YOU GUYS I THOUGHT WE WHERE FRIENDS

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>>69805414
>slang isn't hard either way
you jesting us m8?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OzGl5ujvac
can't translate half of that shit. and i watched Maria Mercedes like 2 times

Overall Spanish isn't that different in terms of intelligibility than English, you may ocasionally come upon some thick, difficult to understand accents (the worse for me in English is working class Yorkshire whatever it's called) but overall you should be able to understand anyone making an effort to speak clearly.

>>69805322
I actually understand flaite pretty well since I have flaite cousins

>>69805385
S em coda silâbica é chiar os s?

>>69805488
>>69805491
fug
I thought they were just shortenings

>>69805488
nos (as a personal) sounds portuguese??

>>69805465
That's retroflex. Gutural is the standard one.

>>69805509
É, palatal = chiado.

>>69805409
>>69805413
>>69805464
Thanks lads

>>69805522
>>69805533

not quite in spanish verbs are conjugated so you skip the direct object

i eat, yo como or just como

but you cannot skip whom you eat

nos como, i eat us

>>69805500
not sure if congratulating you for it...

>>69805446
"nós" doesn't exist in spanish as you think, that's portug-alego
castillian speakers use nosotros, and vos (latam)/ vosotros (spain)

>>69805517
my bad
but looool my little sis used to adore Junior and that damned song

>>69805230
sorry, what was that?

>>69805533
nós = we (informally it may sound "nóis")
nos = us

>>69805446
Everyone uses "nosotros" for "we", and "vosotros" is only used in Spain for "You - plural". Ustedes means "You - plural" everywhere other than Spain.

Vos is used here >>69805260 and it means (You - singular).

It is not as hard as it seems, I just don't know how to explain myself.

>>69805496
Slang is only somewhat hard the first times you hear it, context gives away a lot. But even if you don't get it through context, you just have to get used to it.

>>69805580
meant to quote >>69805558

>>69805572
say wuuuuuuuuuut

>>69805446
nos = to us
nosotros = us

>nos gusta caminar
>to us is pleasing to walk = we like to walk

>>69805500
>since I have flaite cousins
it's rare to see people this honest in 4chan

>>69805493
I like Chile. I just can't understand you guys.

>>69805636
That's exactly the same in portuguese.

>>69805496
You think that's bad? Try listening to cuban reggaeton. I grew up in Miami and I needed to ask my dad what half the words in Orishas' "a lo cubano" album meant.

>>69805496
That song is an exaggeration of slang tho, almost every single word is slang, even the people who use all those words never speak like that.

>>69805598
The vosotros/usted(es) in Spanish thing is somewhat like vós/você(s) in Portuguese: everyone uses "nós" for "we" and "vocês" for "you-plural". "Vós" is used only in Northern Portugal

>>69805647
When I speak to people from other countries I always try to turn my accent off.
Maybe I shouldn't do that, but I guess it's just me trying to be polite.

>>69805668
thats why portuñol should be the official language in south america

>>69805364
http://www.eleconomistaamerica.cl/empresas-eAm-chile/noticias/7067999/10/15/Chile-lidera-el-PIB-per-capita-de-America-Latina.html

According to this it's 24k and the best in Latam

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>>69805636
if i recall from some songs, apparently dominicans use "nos" as an inclusive invitation (let's) ("nos comemos un poio y nos fumamos un habano")

>>69805705
yeah, you have to slow down from the speed of light so we can see your punch

So why do you South Americans make fun of Spain when they use those strange verb forms with vosotros. You use the same weird verb forms with voseo. I mean the -ais -eis endings

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>>69805755
>So why do you South Americans make fun of Spain
because they look stupid
nobody said it was because they "sound" stupid

>>69805731
Don't worry, guineans live like shit and about 75% of that money is owned by their meme dictator

>>69805636
I mean I'm from Coquimbo and things are getting kinda bad here so having one or two flaite cousins isn't that rare

>>69805731

That's by PPP, Guinea's is nominal.

>>69805718
In every america

>>69805755
Voseo only happens in Argentina, Uruguay and few other places.
We do have our own weird verb forms that no one else has.

>>69805755
Because we speak like shit, i do not know how to use le, la or lo and nobody in my city does.
We make fun of sudacas because they are poor and brown and because of their accent.

>>69805854
>i do not know how to use el, la or lo and nobody in my city does.
What?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPtuaxjIcyw

How much of this can you guys understand?

>>69805167
It's hard to count regional accents, but you can divide the whole thing into as little as three or as many as 15 or so.

>>69805385
>coda R
There's a fourth coda R not represented on this map - the alveolar approximant. It sounds distinct from both the retroflex approximant ("caipira") and alveolar tap ("gaúcho"), and it's the main pronunciation in São Paulo city, Curitiba and most Santa Catarina.

The retroflex R actually reaches Rio Grande do Sul's northwest.

Guttural R as common in Santa Catarina's coast smells like bullshit.

>/ti di/ palatalization
Santa Catarina is messy as fuck, with a considerable chunk of the population pronouncing both as [tsi dzi].

Also: where the fuck is post-stressed vowel raising? It's strongly distinctive dialects-wise.

>>69804913

shudacash gilipoiash voshotrosh debeish aprender como hablamosh loz eshpañolesh

tío, joder

>>69805789
no, i mean if an occasional manolo shows up here and says vosotros quereis, you will laugh and say he sounds like the fucking bible. yet it is not unusual in some parts of SA to say vos queries, right?

>>69805705
You can keep your accent. Just slow down your speech a little bit. Chileans always seem to be thinking/talking faster, maybe that's why you guys are richer lol

>>69805929
te ha faltado un me cago en la virgen al menos
por lo demas no esta mal

>>69805948
They are rich because they are jews

>>69805755
I don't know how south americans feel about it, but I always laugh when Spaniards say "cabetha".

>>69805958
>me cago en la virgen

such a beautiful dialect

>>69805889
quite easy

>>69805509
Coda = syllable ending. Palatal is like CHá, non-palatal is like Sá.

>>69805558
>That's retroflex. Gutural is the standard one.
Standard my ass, in some places it's more stigmatized than the retroflex. The nearest of a standard is the tap, because Paulistanos think they use it, and the nearest one can get of a standard South American Portuguese accent is São Paulo city's.

(They THINK they use the tap, but actually they use the alveolar approximant.)

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No.

>>69805705
You can keep the accent, just use less slangs, I guess.

>>69805889
Almost all of it desu

Bad song.

>>69805973
I think it's the same everywhere lel

Watch this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1s4tKrPQdQ8

>>69805936
ah that
it's just friendly banter m8. easy humour
>vos queries
you gotta decide which voseo variant you gonna use. it's "vos querés" or "vos querís". choose, but choose wisely

>>69805989
Please point to me when they use a tap:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qWTg8NalD4

>>69806018
>casado....con hijos

lmao you're stealing our shows now

>>69805989
>the nearest one can get of a standard South American Portuguese accent is São Paulo city's.
Impliying standard brazilian portuguese accent sounds like speaking as a "marginal"

>>69806044
That's called a version
Same thing you did with The Office and shit like that

>How different are dialects in different countries?
The standard version, not much.

If we could get rid of ñero speak and its ridiculous colloquialisms, we could guarantee cohesion in the language

>>69804913
Butthurt level of this post is over 9000

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>>69805966
>>69806044

>>69806044
>stealing
they paid for the program format though, check the argie version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzHFTEz3owc

>>69806006
Yeah, it's fucking trash
It was famous for a while because how many slang/cussing there was in it

>>69805737
Nos works the same here in spain

>>69806018
It sounds like an andalusian with asthma mixed with rural castillian, could be done better desu.

>>69805069
wew, sounds indeed similar to lombard

>>69806085
Oh my god this is amazing. Please tell me there's a version of this for every country (except cuba and venezuela of course).

>>69806068
I was just being honest, many people don't understand me either and I do not care.

>>69806123
I think there is, it was quite a hit here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bczLRkEWrOE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quPb8buOwSY

>>69806121

>Originally, Lunfardo was a slang used by criminals and soon by other people of the lower and lower-middle classes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunfardo

>>69805888
He might refer to leismo or laismo

>>69806035
>guise TV accent is standard!
Not sure if trolling, but I'll bite.

Not only TV accents are not standard, but they vary from channel to channel and even from person to person from the same channel. Coda R in Portuguese is MESSY.

BRB, grabbing something to show as example.

>>69806185
>evangelion parody of a chilean version of married with children

i feel like those kids from narnia right now, this is unreal

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>>69806123
i'm not quite sure.. not every country has national production, and sometimes the show gets named something else

>>69806211
Then what is the standard? Whatever you pronounce in your village? Jornal Nacional is the closest thing of a standard accent we got, even if in some news accents may vary, don't pretend you don't know it.

The world will all be speaking English soon, so talking about languages in the future is redundant.

We have the Royal Spanish Academy in order to prevent that, on top of that we are more connected than ever, so if anything, our dialects will probably converge more.

>>69806247
>Then what is the standard?
there is no standard
you sound like those unitedstatians that keep repeating "american midwest is the standard"

>>69806269
I often hear teenagers saying "puto" and something inside me dies

>>69805500
Yeah, me too.

>>69806203
intredasting

>>69806247
There is no standard accent in Brazilian Portuguese, unless Brazilians do something similar the Germans did: they have elected Hannover accent as the Hochdeutsch (High German) standard accent.

>>69806035
Found a good one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_KWg7_LJFE
0:09, "a morte" - alveolar approximant.
0:17, "a um passo da eternidade" - tap.
0:26, "de um ser humano" - tap, but you can argue it's because it's intervocalic.
0:31, "preparada para a morte?" - retroflex/caipira or alveolar/paulistano, but not baiano/guttural for sure.

>>69806307
I've heard people saying coño here, it sounds so stupid

>>69806205
Pretty interesting, I've never heard about that before. I'm glad to see that native speakers also have trouble with it.

>>69806399
is this "Brazilians are white" subliminal propaganda?

>>69806247
>Then what is the standard?
Regarding R pronunciation? There is no global standard. There are some always stigmatized local variations like R-dropping and the retroflex, but guttural or apical will depend on the local dialect.

>Jornal Nacional is the closest thing of a standard accent we got
The problem is that you're trying to desesperately see some unity on "MUH POHTUGUESE OF BRAZIU" that doesn't exist.

>>69806399
aaah so that's what "tap" means? confusing R with H?
i always found annoying reading those JBC translated comics and find "Rá! Rá! Rá!" and "Rí! Rí! Rí!" (at least "rí" means i laughed lol)

>>69806307
lol I once read some anon from Argentina that he saw some kids speaking like us thanks to T.V.

>>69806414
My family does ever since they came from Spain in the 30s. Each generation says it less though, it will probably die with me. Almost never use it, and say carajo instead, but sometimes it wins me.

>>69806461
>guttural R
Like those in French or German?

What the fuck, I can't even imagine that.

>>69806426
Spanish is way more retarded. In spain we put a bunch of posh old writers there and they make the rules. Then we try to force every non-spaniard to speak like that while in spain nobody speaks like that. It is good for bantz and racism though.

>>69806426
sounds no different than some uneducated speech patters in english.

>>69806438
No, I was just trying to grab something from SBT that wasn't Sílvio Santos. (because he's an old fuck who always use the tap)

>>69806469
>aaah so that's what "tap" means? confusing R with H?
No... the tap is the same as in Spanish "weak R". The ones that sound like English H or Spanish J are the guttural ones. (Actually a bunch of different sounds, pronounced with the back of the tongue.)

>>69806472
>>69806414
>>69806307
Por que nos haceis esto?
http://dle.rae.es/?id=RnVGPHj

>>69806605
A veces decimos papichulo de manera ironica

>>69806629
Asi que es basicamente shitpostear hablando hasta que llega al diccionario, la verdad es que es una idea cojonuda.

>>69806514
"Guttural R" is actually a loose category. It includes French/German R, but there are other pronunciations, like English H, German aCH-sound, or even something that resembles more a vowel than a consonant.

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>>69806605
los políticos zurdos lo hacen, no "nosotros"
yo si era por mí mandaba matar a cada negro que escriba como la mierda

>>69806657
Ja, quizás en el caribe se use de manera no ironica pero aquí solo a través del reggaeton lo he escuchado

>>69806472

It's because of the dubbed cartoons.

>fresa
>nevera
>salchicha

Cringe.

Thankfully they lose it after they grow up a bit.

>>69806605
Honestamente nunca he escuchado a nadie decir eso en la vida real fuera de algún programa gringo con estereotipos "latinos" (lo que sea que eso signifique). Y conozco bastantes personas que hablan con mucha jerga.

No es como que en España no exista jerga incomprensible para todos. Perroflautas, pagafantas, cani, cuqui, palote, etc.

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>>69805755
>So why do you South Americans make fun of Spain
Becauthe they thpeak like thith, obviouthly.

...jokes apart, ceceo is one of the most obvious Peninsular Spanish features, so it's something easy to target.

>>69806733
You mean accent? With a gringo one

>>69806725
perroflauta - hippie
cani - wachiturro, flaite...
cuqui - forma pijo de cuco que es lo que viene a ser bonito
palote - erecto

>>69806800
I am not gringo just not sudaka, Cuban but not negro.

>>69806820
Sé lo que significan porque he ido a España y tengo amigos de allá. Pero vamos, que todos tenemos jerga, también España.

>>69806771
The thing is that you get ceceo wrong, full retard ceceo is just found in andalusia.
Normal spanish ceceo is just the sounds of Z and C after e and i.

>>69806855
La jerga de españa es especialmente asquerosa eso ya lo se

>>69806836
>cuban
F

Anyway maybe you forgot how to speak spanish? Because there's still the gringo accent with o's pronounced as ou

>>69806836
you need to speak at least two paragraphs so we can catch what accent you have
for now it's just gringo accent
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eJJF11bIxM

>>69806836
el cubANO gusANO

They are trying to push spanish dialects as official languages
For example Andaluz (in andalucia) or Valenciano (Catalan variant that somehow got taken seriously)
Also many variants of portunhol near the portuguese frontier, asturiano, some dialects in Aragón....
its all memes

>>69806836
cuban is sudaca too btw.

>>69806859
Can't tell if your prime minishter has a shpeech defect or he is just Galician.

>>69807002
speech defect, we make fun of him too.

>>69806970
You are sudaka to me.

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>>69806859
Hold your horses a bit.
Seseo: SE/ZE/CE sound all the same, like English S. (LatAm)
Ceceo: SE/ZE/CE sound all the same, like English TH. (as you said, Andalusia)
Most Spain doesn't have ceceo or seseo, but "distinción", that is what you described.

That said, considering Latin American Spanish lacks the TH sound, even if you use it only for CE/ZE, it will get noticed and sometimes mocked.

>>69806939
>gusano
I laugh my ass off at these phony social constructions.

>>69807002
he got a pretty bad car accident many years ago
thats why he has a beard, his chin is all messed up and with scars

>>69807082
If they are gonna mock they should mock it well.

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>>69804913
He he la verdad es que me a hecho gracia, pero se te olvida mencionar a los mexicanos ya que eso que hablan si que es difícil de entender

>>69806956
Andaluz vs. Castillian as separated languages is a meme. Ditto for Catalan vs. Valencian.

For Astur-Leonese (including Mirandese) and Aragonese, the thing is far more complicated. Those varieties aren't "dialects" of Castillian, they appeared roughly at the same time as both Castillian and Galician-Portuguese. The whole thing is a continuum that predates the formation not only of Spain but of the Kingdom of Castile.

>>69807082
In latin america you can't tell the difference if they are saying "ciervo" or "siervo"
Sometimes they accidentally put Z instead of S or viceversa when writing, such is the prevalence of the seseo

>>69807225
Better than lisping tbqh

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>>69807190
Over exaggerating is way funnier though.

>>69807225
Like this?

But yeah, this kind of misspelling is usually sign of phonemic fusion. People do similar stuff in Portuguese with Ç and SS, such as writing "serveja" instead of "cerveja".

>>69807326
exactly like that yeah
that kind of mistakes is an easy way to tell if someone is from spain or not

Reading a whole thread about two languages you don't speak is very confusing

>>69807454
Just like reading irish in every street signal but not being able to speak it because some anglos cucked you for 800 years

>>69807454
Just re-read a few times and it will get easier.

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Equatorial Guinea when?

>>69807500
Wow, that's rude

>>69807500
We all speak Irish, just not all fluently, Irish place names people know equally to their Anglicized equivalents

>>69805848
weon is so fucking practical. It can be used EVERYWHERE.

>>69807551
When they stop being ruled by obiang
so never

>>69805069
some differences here
Cafe = Feca ok
Caferata is not exactly a Choma is a Choma Agrandado
Bulin=Cotorro= Queco
Ladron=Chorro ok or Malandro
Giro here is the work of a Gira (prostitute)
Calle is not yeta. Yeta is bad luck
boncha and chabon = botija or guri
otario = loco
ventolina= guita = morlacos
apuntador = ortiba = alcahuete
juego = timba ok
calabozo = perrera = cana

>>69807563
then use it, it sounds cool while english sounds like shit

>>69807572
i was taught the differences between "wea", "huea" and "cuea" though. it's sublime

>>69807590
muchas gracias por tu valiente testimonio

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>Peruvians finish their sentences using the verbal tic "pe"
>Chileans finish their sentences using the verbal tic "po"

>>69807601
I do use it, just not daily because that is impractical and my English vocabulary is maybe 10 times bigger

>>69806572
>We try to force every non-spaniard to speak like that
no we don't
RAE will literally accept anything that becomes semi-popular including stuff from latin-america
Stuff seseo is accepted in speech

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>>69807590
Cafe = Feca ok

>>69807684
No ves que he estado shitposteando durante todo el hilo

>>69807648
twins separated at birth (?)

>>69807652
since you're here, may i ask:

how the hell Eilonwy is pronounced???

>>69807590
>Yeta is bad luck
Same here

>>69807737
That's Welsh I think lol, my guess would be eye-lon-wee

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>>69807648
>mfw el peruANO is right

Portunhol o mais grande que hay. Voce no fala ni una cosa na otra mais e muito melhor.

>>69807829
Nao gosto do portunhol mais e a minha maneira de falar portugués :(
.t galle (literal)

>>69807873
o galego e practicamente portunhol

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>Galle hablando portuñol
Cute

>Uruguayo hablando portuñol
Cringe

What cracks me up about this thread is there was not a single post from the Russian OP.

>>69807913
pero galego ten estrutura
portunhol é como sair sai

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>>69807964
Thread so good need no bumb

>>69807934
>peruano posting dibujitos chinos

>>69808000
Good thread, but I mean usually the OP actively participates in the thread he creates, otherwise why create it, right.

>>69808163
Idk this thread went by really fast, maybe he got confused, I know I did asking grammar questions and everyone gave me a different fucking answer

>>69807913
>o galego e practicamente portunhol
No... Galician sometimes looks like Portuñol just because it conserved stuff Spanish did, but Portuguese didn't. Such as unstressed vowels.

>>69807973
It depends on the portuñol - the one people speak in Foz/Puerto/CdE is messy because it's mainly a contact language, but the one in Rivera/Santana do Livramento is highly structured.

>>69806044

What show are they stealing

>>69808079
El weeb peruano es muy famoso en /sp/

>>69808353
Married with kids

>>69808313
aah ok

>>69807590
>Cafe = Feca

wut

>>69808353
"Casado con hijos"="Married with children"

>>69808393
>>69808446

Thanks it seemed similar to it but I wanted to make certain I was correct

>>69808419
can combine with verlan
Le Cafe -> Fecale

>>69804821
no, based RAE exist for a reason

>>69808353
Argentinians and on a roll of stealing tv shows:
Married with children = Casado con hijos
Mad about you = Loco por vos (they even did the episode with Kramer from Sainfield)
Desperate housewives = Amas de casas desesperadas

>>69808488
Feca means shit lol

napadiepe hapablapa geringoso?

>>69808533
Fecal means shit

Nobody understands us because we're so fucking lazy to pronounce the words properly.

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Laint@os and Latinxos, these kind of spelling is more commonly seen here. Also separate gender like "compañeras y compañeros" (begin with feminine form because of muh empowerment).

>>69808674
Wait, you people started that shit? It's catching on with chicanas in our universities, thanks a lot. I swear to god, if I hear one more of them refer to themselves as "latinexes"....

>>69808674
"La Presidenta" Cristina

>>69808572
apaquipi llapamapamospo epesopo depe língua do pê.

>>69808674
Next thing you're going to preach is that people should write "compañerxs".

>>69808674
>Laint@os
lol wut?
andá a dormir

>>69808752
don't shoot the messenger, but that's actually happening already. at least online among tumblerettes
using @ (which looks like o and a at the same time) was more popular though (dunno nowadays, but it was so in the 00s)

>>69808708
This shit is _really_ common among Latin American "university feminists". For example fuckheads who, instead of writing

>Caros companheiros e amigos...
write
>Carxs companheirxs e amigxs...

(This is wrong in so many linguistic levels I can't even know where to begin...)

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>>69808708
>>69808725
>>69808752
Correction: Latin@s y Latinxs (sorry, I don't accustomed to this feminist Spanish).

Our politicians (especially the last president) always uses "para todos y todas". RAE disagrees but muh elites' oppression.

>>69808804
@ was also popular on the 00's. But the thing is, the non-marked gender in both ES and PT is the "masculine" - so if the gender is irrelevant/unknown, you're supposed to use -o, period.

And plus this shit is unpronounceable.

>>69808868
At least Kirchner was sensible in this regard. "Todos y todas" might be redundant, but at least it doesn't "break" the language for political idiocy.

>>69804821
I'd say no because everyone is now connected and education more widespread, ex-colony countries would have divulged more from their original languages if not for modern technology.

>>69805283
strange because chile recieve more basque people than everything else

>>69804821
There's Spanish creole languages out there that I'm pretty sure none of any singular parent language can understand. If wikipedia is to be believed, they don't even know with certainty the influence of parent languages of people who speak Papiamento in Iberia.

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>>69808955
How far this should go then? Let's pretend being a tumblrina. One can argue that "todos y todas" is transphobic and perpetuate sexual binary. There is also proposal of "todes" (seen but not widespread) to be more inclusive and non-binary.

Pic shows example of internalised transphopic language usage.

>>69805295
Might the use of usted depend on the area of Mexico? I've worked with several Mexicans who looked at me funny, one who told me "they" don't say it.

>>69809086
Then I would argument for the tumblrina the correct is using only "todos". No "x", no "@", only -o.

After all, Spanish and Portuguese don't quite work with masculine vs. feminine gender, but non-marked (from the fusion of Latin neuter and masculine) and marked (from Latin feminine). And that this gets fucking obvious when you need to assign a gender to obviously genderless words, as verbs. (for example, "trabajar es bueno", no "trabajar es buena").

>>69808868
"presidenta" is not even a RAE word

>>69805205
"ustedes" sounds very respectful and old, just like "usted"
vosotros is the normal thing here
>>69808838
my Galician teacher said that in reality male nouns in ibero-romance tongues should be considered neutral

>>69809226
I meant pronouns and words referred to human beings, not to abstract concept. The proposal of todes and -e ending for neutral gender human is partly inspired by success story of Swedish neutral pronoun "hen".

>>69809292
Initially it was the term "La Presidente" (to call President Isabel Martinez, the first female president in modern western world). I would argue that in this case the language doesn't formally catch up with reality.

>>69809292
I know that this one is grammatically wrong, but it doesn't really bothers me, I mean, it follows the logic of the language.

>>69809470
*but it doesn't really bother me*

>>69809177
It can vary, some Mexicans might consider it stand offish or even rude, particularly amongst the lower classes, but there's certain formal contexts in which all Mexicans will use it and addressing a stranger as tú can be equally considered very rude in some situations.

There's a lot of nuance on how it's used, from expressing respect, while it's rare nowadays it was common in rural Mexico to address your own parents in this way, to expressing scorn and indiference. Tú can likewise be used in the same way.

I met a Colombian in Italy who said the had to wait several months for Spanish films to be released in south America because European Spanish is incomprehensible to them so they dub it.

He said Spaniards talk traditionally kinda like if English people all spoke like a Shakespearean play.

>>69809410
The abstract concept example with a verb is only to show how it works; I could use similar examples with groups of animals or professions, but for language purposes, it's the same - if you can't/don't want to mark the gender, you use -o.

>>69809292
>presidenta
Rousseff did the same. The word was used more ironically ("a presidenta jumenta" = the she-donkey she-president) than unironically.

>>69809374
Pretty much - and I'm not sure, but I think it applies also to Gallo-Romance. (For Italian languages, it's far more complicated. Romanian skips this issue because it conserved the M/F/N distinction from Latin.)

>>69804913
>I do not understand any spaniard south of Madrid
nobody believes you.

>>69809652
It's not that bad, it just sounds silly to us

>>69804821
>that US
>all those Spanish areas that weren't even part of Mexico / Spain.

>>69809652
you met a retard then. European Spanish has very few differences from LatAm Spanish, the most notable being saying "vos" instead of "tu" and lisp. The only reason there are LatAm dubs is because euro Spanish sounds gay and lame.

>>69809766
>you met a retard
no, it's not retard, it's a colombian, what do you expect?

>>69809860
But Colombia is like the best South American country now. All the tourists are flocking there. Went from a terrorist shit hold to a holiday destination.

>>69809652
somewhat this>>69809679
I have no problems listening to them, but I can't stand their dubs.

>>69809766
tú: (singular) you (used in Spain and the majority of Latin America)
vos: (singular) you (used in Argentina, Uruguay, and some parts of Paraguay, Bolivia, Chile and the Caribean)
usted: (singular)(formal) you (used everywhere)
vosotros(as): (plural) you (used just in Spain)
ustedes: (plural) you (used as informal in Latin America and formal in Spain)

>>69809981
All of Chile uses "vos"... well "vo"

>>69808674
oh god no

>>69809981
we don't use tu or vos, we use vo. It's sames as vos, like instead of estais or estas, we say estai :D

>>69810771
yeah it really sucks.

>>69811158
your mom sucks

>>69811187
shut up fag

>>69809981
>>69810017
>>69810771
>>69811158
Are you fucking kidding me lads? Having a hard enough time to learn all the forms without the places I'm going to actually having additional as well.

Is vos instead of tú a straight swap?
Example: I would just say vos (or vo...) hablas?

>>69811272
Not really since it changes other words as hell
For example

tu de donde eres? (neutral)
vos de donde sos? (argie)
vo de donde eris? (chilean)

>>69811375
as well*

>>69811375
That's really upsetting.

Central American voseo is one of the most conservative variants of voseo.
For instance, we always say no tengás miedo, no seás pendejo, no comás caca, whereas in Argentina they mostly wold use tengas, seas, and comas (without the stress on the last syllable). Also, in some parts of El Salvador, people still use the voseo form of the future tense, which has been practically lost in modern voseo: vos comerés, vos serés, and not vos comerás, vos serás, as is the norm in most countries with voseo.

>>69807002
He ish funny, shince he wash appointed ash minishter in the 90s we have been making fun of hish shpeech.

But he doesn't do ceceo. Ceceo is only a thing in Western Andalusia, the PM is Galician.

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>>69809981
>3-syllable words for "you"

>>69811919
ke wea ruso xuxetumare, te voi a llenarte la raja de semen, vai a tener ke usar ipoglo durante toa tu exitencia

>>69811997
What is wea?

>>69812090
http://inciclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/We%C3%A1

translate it

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>>69811997
>semen
Are you saying rude things to me, anon?

>>69812145
Ok weon

>>69804913
>>69804913
As long as we have the same written language, books, media, movies (that's Latin American dubs for you) and largely interconnected world the language will remain the same.

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>>69812209
semen in chile means love <3

>>69805006
Keep exagerattimg Paraguay.

>>69805230
Don't worry Chilebro, I find Chile spanish is the easiest sudaca to understand in regards to entonation and sentence structure. There's a couple words that get missed though.

>>69805000
Dialects? Spanish has no dialects. Regionalism and colloquial vocabulary are one thing... but they're not diallects.

There is a standard spanish which everyone knows. Watch a movie in Spanish sometime.

>>69812281
>doesn't know the definition of dialect

>>69812331
You must be from Málaga. Ho ahead. Google is your friend.

>>69812343
We don't need Google, we already learn about our dialects in school.

>>69804821
I know Chilean and Spanish and I consider them different languages

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>>69812343
we learn about Spain's dialects in spanish class
my teacher even taught us stuff about latin american dialects wich was pretty cool

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>>69812416
>mfw i needed subtitles to watch some latin american movies

>>69805929
>Says this while inmigrating illegally to Spain
Why are sudacas so butrhurt? They like shitting on everyone but the first chance they got they just move to Spain. You are brown monkeys that should consider suicide desu

>>69806269
>we are more connected than ever,
Sadly this. We havem't been this united since 1821 and is disgusting

>>69812548
You get more people from Romania than all latinamerica combined, you stupid moor

>>69806572
t.sudaca

>>69807691
>>69808419
feca is just cafe with the syllables changed thats how 'vesre' works. its quite evident
Like when I found out some new pokemon was called 'tapu' i was like oh ffs

Es estúpido pensar que el idioma va a divergirse mientras haya tanto contacto entre todos los países (Internet, radio, tv, etc)

>>69806269
This

I have seen Spanish youth unironically saying "orto". Telecommunications changed everything for world languages.

>>69812986
GOOD TIER
>orto
>verga
>concha (coño)
>poronga

BAD TIER / ACTUALLY HARD TO UNDERSTAND
>wea
>weon
>mamahuevo

KIDS THINK THESE ARE FUNNY TIER
>chingar
>pendejo

>>69805364
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCDlsXkPk5I

>>69806888
t.sudaca

>>69809652
This is fake. They can understand everything. Just go to one Spanish youtube channel and look at the comments. The ones with 100 gramatical and vocab mistakes are sudacas

>>69813769
kek
Como acabó la cosa

>>69813955
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbcwASYwYjU

>>69812598
>Romania
>800k
>Sudacas
>1.6M ( not counting nationalized citizens)
You are a plague. A brown monkey reggeatonish plague

>>69813980
yo creo que tiene razon, los rumanos son muchos mas o eso me parece ami

>>69814027
>yo creo que tiene razon, los rumanos son muchos mas
No lo son. Los sudacas simplemente viven en sus ghettos y solo los ves cuando recogen basura. Hay 1.6 M de sudacas en España+los nacionalizados+los sudacas con pasaporte Español (casi 100k Venezuelans that are count as Spaniards currently)

>>69813980
>>69814164
Prefiero los "sudacas" mil veces antes que los rumanos. Los que no causan problemas están totalmente integrados (cosa no muy difícil) y los que los causan solo es entre ellos, no sé que te habran hecho a ti pero realmente te ha afectado

>>69814276
>Prefiero los "sudacas" mil veces antes que los rumanos
Que a los gitanos puede.Pero los Rumanos de verdad son bastante más honestos e inteligentes que los SUDACAS y se integran bastante mejor.Los sudacas cometen casi todo el crimen, son marrones, son ASQUEROSOS, huelen mal, son EXTREMADAMENTE ESTÚPIDOS y son MUY PERO QUE MUY FEOOOS.Pero como tú eres un sudaquilla no te das cuenta.SUDACA

>>69804913
All bullshit, we all Spanish speakers understand each other perfectly, exceptions are regional words and expressions which can be understood by the context 90% of the times.

t. Canarian (here we speak s crossbreed of Spanish and Latin American dialects)

>>69814276
t.sudaca
OOGA OOGA vuelve al Amazonas

>>69814697
t.negro de las pateras
igual tu entiendes porque los canarios hablais sudaca, en los lugares civilizados no

>>69814724
no soy el, pero tiene razon...hay muchos sudamericanos que les estamparia mi puño en su cara hasta matarlos pero son mejores que los rumanos.....los rumanos son lo peor de España de lejos, ninguno termina la ESO o estudios basicos

>>69814880
Los Rumanos ganan más dinero que los sudacas.Solo que mandaron a mucho gitano.Los sudacas son todos maleantes que no hacen otra cosa que vender droga,ser chachas y poner reggeton a toda ostia

>>69814794
t. NEET autista y evidentemente virgen que nunca abandonará la casa de protección oficial de sus padres en un pueblo de Albacete. Su mayor experiencia internacional fue un viaje a Portugal hace cinco años y el único sudaca que ha conocido es el ecuatoriano que trabaja de barrendero con su padre en el pueblo.

>>69814955
t.sudaca posteando desde la prisión local

>>69814276
tu los prefieres por que eres de canarias, y vosotros amáis ese contienente infecto por que vosotros lo creasteis con vuestra mierda de cultura tropical, pero los demas de la peninsula no nos gustan,colombia y venezuela podria nukearlos estados unidos perfectamente, menudo basura de paises llenos de criminales.

los mejores los bolivianos y lo digo totalmente enserio , son los mas pacíficos de ese continente de mierda

>>69815005
>los mejores los bolivianos
t.el BoliviANO

>>69814938
tu eres rumano o que? lo peor de españa son los rumanos y de republica dominicana

>>69815025
no coño pero es verdad, muchos de ellos trabajan pacíficamente y nunca he tenido problemas con ellos.

>>69815026
>tu eres rumano o que
No soy Español.Pero he trabajo con Rumanos.La mayoría ni notas que lo son hasta que te lo dicen.Lo que pasa es que hay muchos gitanos de Rumanía que vinieron hace unos años.Los SUDACAS solo vienen a chupar de la seguridad social y a comportarse como basura.

>>69815026
tu no has visto sudacas jugar con machetes o que?

>>69815025
los estereotipos del sudamericano en España vienen de colombia y venezuela. Es decir el reggaetton las bandas y todo eso.

menudos personajes

>>69815088
>no soy español
es decir tus apdres son rumanos y crees que eres español por que naciste aqui ya te digoy o que no lo eres.

no los rumanos son mierda, los mataba a todos creeme

>>69815099
>los estereotipos del sudamericano en España vienen de colombia y venezuela. Es decir el reggaetton las bandas y todo eso.
Los Ecuatorianos son peor
>>69815117
Sudaca.Mi Madre es de Cuenca y mi padre de Madrid.He ido a un colegio del Opus desde que tengo 3 años.Ahora vuelve al puto Amazonas pringado

>>69814955
t. senegales que llego en patera, lo salvaron unos guiris de la pasma, ahora vende llaveros y discos en un top manta a la peña. Se pasa el dia con sudacas y moros robando a la gente de bien.

>>69815140
>opus
ser de eso es peor que ser sudaca

>>69815172
yo tambien estoy de acuerdo anon. seguro que es un niño de papa

>>69815172
>ser de eso es peor que ser sudaca
t.Sudaca ignorante.
En el Opus solo había gente bastante inteligente y con dinero.Mientras que vosotros sois basura humana sin excepción
>>69815199
t.Sudaca desde la comisaría

>>69815248
sudaca sudaca sudaca , ok niño de papa seguro que tu ni siquiera convives con ellos por que eres un ricachon, como puedes hablar de inmigracion si eres un niño bien.

>>69815248
Imbecil, yo estuve en el opus hasta que me fui porque no aguantaba ni a los curas ni a los pijos.
Pronto descubriras lo retrasado que eres, que seguro que no conoces ni siquiera a un solo sudaca.
Cambiarme a un publico fue la mejor decision de mi vida, ademas como dejamos de pagar mi familia ya tuvo mas dinero para hacer sus cosas.
Los pijos y los señoritos son el cancer de este pais, mucho cristianismo y mucho opus y mucha mierda, pero luego no tienen ni moral, seguro que tampoco has trabajado en tu puta vida.

>>69815286
>todos estos proletarios con los que que me comunico en este hilo

Qué asco, no tendríais que estar haciendo cola en el INEM con los rumanos y sudacas?

>>69815286
He visto como habeís destruido barrios enteros y la escoría que sois en campamentos y en la liguilla de futbol.Vuelve a tú país simio
>>69815346
t.sudaca inventandose historias
Claro claro.Vete a vender coca güey

>>69815346
>Los pijos y los señoritos son el cancer de este pais
eso es lo que digo yo, yo por ejemplo vivo con ellos en mi bloque y se bien lo que son, pero este ricachon? que seguro que estara colocado en la empresa de papi y mami.