Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1787

The /jp/ version of this thread now has 2hu in their OP.

They're officially a different race now, right?

>>69612191
Don't read Tae Kim, it's written by a man from Osaka. You will learn non-standard Japanese.

>>69612257
>foreign language
I didn't say anything about foreign languages. Korean is a dialect of Japanese. Osakorean is another dialect of Japanese, very similar to Korean.

>gaijin, shut up
I'm a local here. You're the foreigner.

>>69612259
That Chinese 1% contains all sorts of different Chinese ethnic groups. It's too complicated to break down in to each ethnicity.

>>69612304
We are discussing dialects of Japanese. Sooner or later every learner will have to come to terms with dialects. This is the right thread for it. Plus, the other thread is crap and gay.

>>69612275
冗談を説明するのをやめてくれんかい

>>69614755
Nah, they're basically our brothers. I actually think we should merge with them and move over to /jp/.

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>>69614755
In order to preserve and foster good relationships, this effigy was carved with what makes us the same.

But as it stands, we are already 11 generations ahead of /jp/ (we're #1787, they are still #1776), so in no time our accelerated development will become visible and our distance to them will be that of a race dog compared to a gray wolf.

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The anki gods have forsaken me. I can read and read and read and learn all kinds of new words but it's pointless.

My retention rate in anki is abysmal. How do you guys keep your retention up?

I'll never learn Japanese.

>>69614956
>11 generations ahead
Int disappears off the board in an hour or so once the post limit is reached. jp is good for another few days.

So just a shitposting comparison.

>>69615296
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYzMYcUty6s&index=155

>>69615417
You seem to be assuming too much. I in no way implied /int/ is superior, just "ahead".

Flies live way less than humans. and that exactly makes them really useful for selective breeding and studying genetics in general.

Are flies better than humans because of that?

>>69615745
>Are flies better than humans because of that?
Yes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKx3JlTnHbc

>>69615296
What's your retention like?
Try using Mnemonics and such

>>69615745
/int/ DJT is superior actually

Entire /jp/ board is filled with disgusting weebs who use onaholes and have anime posters and dolls are over their mom's basements.
Sure there are some people like that here aswell, but there are also relatively normal people here aswell.

>>69615451
サンキュー。

>>69615296
Read more without adding a bunch of new words. Find stuff that isn't that hard for you so that you are only adding like 10 new words a day but can read a lot.

>>69616412
We should move to /jp/. There's no good reason to have more than one /djt/, and if we merged over there we would raise the quality of their threads.

>>69616412
Well, whatever you may think, I was just demonstrating A doesn't imply B.

Regardless, our strong feature is not being full of metaposting about our twin, so let's stop here.

>>69615296
Mature cards are a greater problem to me, my retention has been around 92% for new cards, but 80% for mature. They are the ones piling up reviews.

My only consolation is knowing new cards will stop storming in still this semester, and things will get more manageable.

>still posting about how the /jp/ thread is so much worse
Supriority complex?

>>69614850
>Nah, they're basically our brothers. I actually think we should merge with them and move over to /jp/.

I think this too. I initially fought for the threads to stay on /int/ because the only other options people were talking about were to either die or try to sneak their way back on /a/ and make the mods mad. I've always thought that /jp/ was the best place and now that there's been a /djt/ thread there for awhile it's been shown that the mod was being retarded when he said that /jp/ would outcast us.

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People say kanji is the hardest yet that was the easiest part for me. I am having immense trouble trying to remember the grammar and I am having to constantly look it up to see what It means because it never clicks. Any suggestions on what to do? Yes I have been reading, sorry if it's a stupid question

>>69616601
You can go there but if the /int/ thread disappears I'd rather go to some non-imageboard forum than go to /jp/.
I tried going on /jp/ before finding out about the /int/ thread but I ended up hiding literally every single thread on every page, including their DJT.
Weebs are disgusting, even posting in the same thread as the "people" on /jp/ feels like you're sitting next to a morbidly obese acne-ridden mouthbreather who failed to learn how to deal with basic personal hygiene.

>when you have to fill +20 captchas to post

>家内
>house
>inside
>wife

kek

>>69616746
I'm ex-yu diaspora, but even if I was a Swede I wouldn't feel remotely butthurt about your post considering you save interracial porn on your PC.

>>69616751
I'm lost when I meet someone learning Japanese and they are avoiding kanji all together because it's hard.

Would they advise English learners to skip learning to read as well?

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I know my 書 is lazy as shit.

>>69618433
そうですね、その字を読められなかった。タイプしたのありがとう。
他の漢字は分かり易いと思います。ただ「勉」の「カ」はなんか「必」の「ノ」似ている。

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>>69618433
他、
練習するはず

>>69618746
ありがとう、分かりました。
でも、最後の文をわかりませんでした。英語で書けますか

>>69618433
女々しくありながらも汚い

>>69618433
adorable. mine is ugly and boring

>>69619078
That カ part of the benkyou character looks like one of these "crossed-over" kanji like 必 or 者, although it's pretty easy to deduce from context.

Handwriting is kinda tricky in Japanese, takes some dabbling before you get a sense of resolution. Writing 機械 or 綺麗 at a notebook's line height seemed impossible to me when I had just started out. After some practice your 書 will adapt itself.

>>69619184
Show us.

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>>69619091
What is an example of non feminine writing in Japanese?

Is Hiragana not supposed to be the feminine alphabet historically?

>>69619184
>写真

>>69619319
I can see where you get that, thanks.

>>69619387
Seconded.

>>69619438
Your kanji are too rounded and the characters are too spaced out.

>>69619498
It's funny because I was actually trying to not round them as much there. It's usually worse.

The mixture of complicated characters next to simple 2-3 stroke kana throws me off.

>>69619438
my phone camera is terrible

>>69616679
Your thread was so shit on /jp/ that the mod had to delete your previous thread. /jp/'s DJT is shit an only talks about cartoons and not the language. Now take your australian shitposter and go back to your containment board.

How's it going DJT?
What did you accomplish this week?
What do you still find hard?

>>69620372
Lots of Anki

Try to memorize the irregular iru/eru verbs that don't conjugate like iru/eru verbs but like ru verbs.

>>69620609
>Lots of Anki
Good job man

>Try to memorize the irregular iru/eru verbs that don't conjugate like iru/eru verbs but like ru verbs.
No need to do this, with time and exposure you'll know which conjugates how.

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>>69620692
Unless this book, lies to me these appear to be the only ones, there could be more but the author may have omitted them if they are irrelevant, I have no idea. I can isolate a few of them that don't come up in common conversation and it's only really a few to memorize.

>>69620372
Playing 超次元ゲイムネプテューヌ in 日本語
Managed to understand a song without checking the lyrics
ところ. This shit can get pretty fucking abstract sometimes

>>69621027
I don't know onestly.
I just figure it while reading.
I think that it's important to just know that not every いる える verb is Ichidan and that there are exceptions

>>69621068
>Playing 超次元ゲイムネプテューヌ in 日本語
>Managed to understand a song without checking the lyrics
Good job man, keep it up

>ところ. This shit can get pretty fucking abstract sometimes
Yeah, I had problems with that too in the past.
You are not a beginner right?

>>69621197
>I just figure it while reading.
It's a roadblock for me when speaking, I always have to think if it's an iru/eru/ru conjugation, just one extra thing to about.

Maybe I'll make an Anki deck

>>69621027
If I recall correctly, Tae Kim lists more examples than that and he says that his list isn't exhaustive, leading me to believe that your book really doesn't list that many of them.

>>69621302
I see.
To each their own maybe.
Do you read?
This helps with verb coniugation

>>69621197
>Good job man, keep it up
Thanks, lad. Hope you're making progress too.

>You are not a beginner right?
Kind of. I started studying one year ago, but I've neglected my studies and procrastinated more than I'd like to admit.

Grammar is mostly fine - except for shit like ~ていく, ~てくる and ところ -, but I feel my vocabulary is lacking too much.

>>69621494
>Thanks, lad. Hope you're making progress too.
Thanks.
I need to internalize は as for now.

>Kind of. I started studying one year ago, but I've neglected my studies and procrastinated more than I'd like to admit.
I know that feel.
Happened to me too many times.
Even reading 30 minutes a day and doing your anki reps is better than nothing.

>Grammar is mostly fine - except for shit like ~ていく, ~てくる and ところ -, but I feel my vocabulary is lacking too much.
I suggest to start mining your deck after finishing 2k core.

Anyway, keep it up man

>>69621362
I'm not that far into Tae Kim yet but I will look into it, thanks.

>>69621471
Not yet because I always end up flipping through a dictionary, only about 700ish words into Anki.

すぐに読むのが始めたいです

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Hey, DJT, this might sound like a クレイジー idea, but what would happen if we stopped replying to fucking namefags as if they were people?

How much do you guys know about English grammar? Do you have a intimate understanding? I'm trying to get a grasp on verbs and they are actually really hard.

>>69621697
Canadians too, I hate those guys.

>>69621607

すぐに読むのが始めたいです

I would use は.
In a sentence like this it feels like we never spoke about reading, but we did before.
So with は you are telling me that you are recalling it back and are going to talk about that.
With が it feels like you are saying that it's the only thing you want to start and nothing else treating it like the new information, while the new information is 始めたい

Remember that は is not the subject, it's a "known information marker" and has no grammar role.
In the sentence 読んでいるのは始めたい it's 読んでいるのは (0 pronounが)始めたい
the grammar role is done by the 0 pronoun and in this sentence since no other thing is declared it is a pronoun for の.

You get it?

>>69621993
>I need to internalize は as for now.
Ha, maybe me too. I was going to actually ask which works better in this situation, のを、のは or のが

は-known information, relate to something already mentioned.
を-relate to a certain peice of reading material? Like if we were talking about reading Tae Kim it would be like saying, 'I will start reading "it" soon'.
が-same as way if I was making a stand alone statement of, I will start reading soon without prior information being discussed?

If I don't know I always use が, I don't know why.

>>69621861
Probably not with the correct terms, but verbs are so detailed in Portuguese, I believe I have an advantage here.

There are mainly two things you should focus when learning about verbs:

- Dimension (tense, mood, continuity, yadda yadda).
- Transitiveness.

Of course there are some extras, like agreement (he does, not he do) and level of politeness (desu instead of da), but not knowing these won't hinder your understanding of the language, they just add polish to your output.

>>69621607
すぐに読むのを始めたい sounds natural.
すぐに読むのは始めたい is ok but sounds lacking context.

>>69622199

>は-known information, relate to something already mentioned.
Yes, but it is never (never ever) a subject or object.

As for reading tae kim, I want to do (it).
Tae kimを読むのは(僕がそれを)したい>Tae kimを読むのはしたい

>を-relate to a certain peice of reading material? Like if we were talking about reading Tae Kim it would be like saying, 'I will start reading "it" soon'.

Tae kimを読むのをしたい
I want to the reading of Tae kim

>が-same as way if I was making a stand alone statement of, I will start reading soon without prior information being discussed?

Tae kimを読むのがしたい
The reading of Tae Kim is what I want to do.

Every marker but は and も is a new information marker.
も can be both new and old, は can only be old information.

So every sentence has a starting point.
with が it start from the verb.

何が読みたいか
Tae Kimが読みたい

You see that it starts from the verb and が is the new info.

Tae Kimは?
読みたい

The thinking starts with Tae Kim.


Try this sentence:

It's from FSN, so if you do not want spoilers do not read it.
(美綴の言うように、すでに弓道の道が当たり前のように根付いていた士郎にとっては部活はさほど必要のないものだったからか、火事を経験して以来物事に執着できなくなっていたためにあっさりと捨てたのか…。)

How would you translate this?

Anybody know of a Firefox addon I could use to make Kanji bigger?

>>69623159
You could zoom in with holding CTRL and pressing +

>>69622388
It's really that I now find Japanese verb structure makes way more sense than English.

>>69622868
I think I can understand what you mean by が and も being new information でも最後の文を分かりにくい、知らない。

>>69623940

>>(美綴の言うように、すでに弓道の道が当たり前のように根付いていた士郎にとっては部活はさほど必要のないものだったからか、火事を経験して以来物事に執着できなくなっていたためにあっさりと捨てたのか…。)

I'll explain it.
This is something that still is screwing me over, so I think it's better to know it from the beginning.
は is not a 格助詞:Case particle.
It's a 係助詞:Binding particle.
It binds together the sentence.
The one underneath is the perfect example.

>美綴の言うように、
As Mitudsuri says,

>すでに弓道の道が当たり前のように根付いていた士郎郎にとって
As for regarding Shirou, to whom archery is now a natural thing

>部活は
As for the club

>さほど必要のないものだったからか
Since was not a thing that he needed,

>火事を経験して以来物事に執着できなくなっていたためにあっさりと捨てたのか…。)
After experiencing the fire accident he was not able to get attached to things and therefore abondon.

As you can see, 部活は is just a pointer for the referent of the message.
It has no grammar role.
It role is that of binding the sentence telling us that the 0 pronoun in さほど必要のないものだったからか which is が refers to 部活 and in the second one 火事を経験して以来物事に執着できなくなっていたためにあっさりと捨てたのか which is を refers to 部活.
Even if you do not understand now I suggest to save it for the future.

>でも最後の文を分かりにくい、知らない
が分かりにくい

>>69614850
I am Japanese.

chonun ilbon saram imnida :Korean
wai wa nihonjin ya :Osaka dialect

Aussie can't understand culture because you have your history for only one hundred years.

You are just only an alien wherever you may go.

>>69624411
I have screen capped this for the future. I appreciate the effort.

>が分かりにくい
Heh, thank you.

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>>69623940
>It's really that I now find Japanese verb structure makes way more sense than English.
The problem with English is you have several moods and tenses, but they all look the same.

So in the mind of a native, the verb "like" in both "I would like" and "I like" might look the same, whereas several languages make clearer distinctions between indicative and subjunctive moods.

Auxiliary verbs make it easy to express ideas with a smaller set of rules, but make visualizing the "timeline" of possibilites a bit harder.

>>69623232
I know, but I don't like rescaling entire pages.

最強だった私の日本語は
数ヶ月勉強しないうちに悲惨な状態になってる

こっちが有利だとおもったら、全部彼女の計画通りという惜しいしまつだった

what's happend?

>>69626724
皆に「は」の係助詞について説明しおうとして、勉強はどうだとも聞いていた
あなたはどうだ?

>>69627462
I'm fine.

> 弓道の道が当たり前のように根付いていた士郎

I analogize that が modifies 根付いていた士郎
が modifies a noun implicitly .

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https://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/kindle/ku/sign-up

Has anyone tried it? Is it region restricted? Does amazon.jp allow to buy ebooks from overseas?

>>69614850
>>69616679
lol fuck no

1. Not everybody in these threads is an otaku
2. Moving over to /jp/ = goodbye fun. It's one power-tripping autist's playground

>>69629733
I agree. The only people that want to move are those who are also over there.

bls translate
ドスお腹いっぱい。

>>69630404
》threatening quality (in a voice, etc.)

>>69630404
Yes sir, I’m full.

I wonder if it is ドス...

>>69631626
No, that makes sense based on the context. Thanks!

>>69614850
where should i learn grammar from, then?

>>69632278
You're welcome.

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This site is awesome, accurate are these readings?
http://www17.plala.or.jp/u-ho/zatugaku2.html
Also, this:
閄 - ものかげからきゅうにとびだしてひとをおどろかせるときにはっするこえ
[物陰から急に飛び出して人を驚かせる時に発する声 (?)]
Fucking hell.

>>69614850
>Don't read Tae Kim, it's written by a man from Osaka.
Don't know why this made me laugh so much.

>>69632751
Why wouldn't they be accurate? They seem to be kanji that some author made up to use once and nobody ever used again. In that case the author's word is law

>>69633169
>Why wouldn't they be accurate?
Well I'm no native and anyone can make a website and put anything they want on it, so. Was hoping to read some opinions of any of the more experienced anons who have come across these before

>>69633476
>the more experienced anons who have come across these before

So...nobody? Because they are all just made up?

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>>69624474
>Aussie can't understand culture because you have your history for only one hundred years.
>You are just only an alien wherever you may go.

衝撃の事実

>>69634044
You okay man?

>>69616616
If you are failing mature cards, it's probably because you aren't seeing those words in real life. Which means either you're not reading enough, or the word was so rare that you probably don't need to worry about it anyway.

>>69635362
Many of the ones that are real kanji (unicode symbols, not images) are legit I guess

Today was a good day. I watched a full drama ep and only got 20 new words.

Probably will get 50 from the next episode to balance it out though.

>>69635149
He's not wrong.
I was born here; currently live here; and I want the fuck out.
Life in a cultural hole is suffocating.

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>土曜日の晩
>予定がありません
>私の顔

>>69638267
I've got plans, get over here for some laid back good times.

>>69638591
どこに住んで居ますか

>>69638994
Mtl

>>69638137
Who the fuck cares? What does it matter if you live in a place with thousands of years of history and culture and empires and literature, it doesn't affect you at all. What matters is the present, if the people around you are friendly and the lifestyle is enjoyable and the environment is pleasant and all that, history is utterly irrelevant as to where you live.

>>69639353
Montreal?

>>69639474
Yeah

>>69639488
Vancouver, at least there are lots of Japanese here.

>>69639566
I see it more like at least I'm not in multi-culti hell.

>>69639353
Oh shit me too dude. Wanna do some 日本語の勉強 together in bed?

>>69639651
Worse than that. They call elections before our votes are even counted over here, so it's an irrelevant mult-culti hell

Why does the 10 minute learning step not actually wait 10 minutes?

>>69640181
<10m

10 minutes or less

>>69640296
Naw I figured it out. It is actually a 10 minute step, but unless you mess with preferences anki just keeps showing you any cards that are still in their learning steps, regarldess of time.

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>>69621697

No bully pls. I didn't choose to trip.

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Why aren't you taking advantage of the opportunity that you have? You have an opportunity right now that you will probably never have again. A lot of NEETs are acting like they're going to be NEETs for the rest of their life and they're studying Japanese at a leisurely pace, but you probably won't be a NEET in a few years from now.

You have to grind hard now and get everything you can get out of these years of having no responsibilities or obligations to take up your study time. What's worse than not learning Japanese is having this opportunity of a lifetime of being a NEET and then still not learning Japanese because you wasted your NEET years by taking it easy. That's far worse. At least normal people can say that their work hours took away their study time and that's why they never learned Japanese. NEETs can't say that, you have all of the time in the world right now.

You should be studying at least three times as long as the average normal and employed person. There's no excuse for anything less and if you do less than that then you're going to hate yourself when this opportunity is no longer here.

>>69640717
Fuck off and do your reps, my man

>>69640717
みんなが弱い

I agree, I'm 24 now and lived on my own for 5 years and my cozy NEET life is coming to an end, I work more and have more to do daily.

Thanks for reading my blog.

'im a wageslave an im upset you have more time than me'
its my favorite pasta, stale and invalid

>>69614850
>>69632751
>Don't read Tae Kim, it's written by a man from Osaka. You will learn non-standard Japanese.
Is this shitposting, or is there any truth here or what?

So, based on the DJT site's guide, is a reasonable early routine to be (since I already know kana+radicals) Tae Kim, Anki Core 2k/6k Optimized, and trying to read whatever babby material I'm capable of?

Also, is 10 new cards a day reasonable or too little?

>>69640330
Only if you have no other cards left and the learn ahead limit is set less than the step time on the card.

>>69641425
Tae Kim is useless if you want to learn normal Japanese, you can move to it when you're ready to learn Osaka-dialect. Also 10 new cards a day is a lot unless you're really dedicated and have a lot of free time, most people do 5.

>>69641425
Also, reading this >>69640717 and https://www.reddit.com/r/LearnJapanese/comments/2ydq1b/ , I've decided I can at least handle 20 considering I'm in college and basically have NEET-tier free time (except during the summer).

>>69641726
I take it Tae Kim is fine, then; thanks.

>>69641726
>Also 10 new cards a day is a lot
What seriously? I do 30 on a normal day, 50 on a good day with lots of time.

I feel like I'm doing good? How much do you guys review? I've been doing 125 review cards.

Am I overdoing it?

>>69641814

I might be poorly estimating the workload, to be honest; it's just, memorization has never been a strong suit of mine, and I heard the review cards pile up fast. I guess I'll mess around and see what works.

>>69641814
But I bet you don't practice writing out the kanji. I write out new words (20/day) and the ones I have to relearn.

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>>69641916
I do, in progress now. Verbs on right, everything else on left. I try to write any new word down unless I learned it somewhere else. I'll later transfer those over to a binder that's kind of organized for any reference later and to get extra writing practice.

Also during review, if I can't get a word right or I can't rewrite it without looking I right it out once on paper with no English or furigana.

Keep in mind I've only been using Anki for around 10 or 11 days so we'll see if I crash. This is takes around 2 hours spread out through the day.

>>69641814
>30-50 new cards a day
>I've been doing 125 review cards.
Are you sure your reviews aren't capped?
I do 30 new cards a day and get ~300 review cards. My retention is decent aswell

>>69642114
Oh, I remember those words
Back when things were simple...

Anyway, that's kinda how I do it too

>>69642530
I don't know how to check that.

>>69642613
I'm actually starting to slow down a lot already, I've been learning for about a year but only just started Anki, I've basically just attached kanji to words I already knew and used and burned through the stuff I did already know.

I only knew three words that I got today, 便利, 本当 and ひどい. I can feel the wall coming.

>>69642684
Keep at it, m8. You can do it
And don't forget to read Yotsubato in the meantime

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>>69642114

企業 is closer to enterprise/undertaking/corporation (big business)
会社 is used more for small business and firms

>>69642732
Thanks, you guys are good inspiration, I was going to r/learnjapanese before because I didn't know these threads existed. I enjoy studying more now.

>>69642740
That's great information, why don't they tell you that.
Took me forever to get 覚ます、覚める、起きる、起こす through my head.

Thank you though.

>選手
Strongly tempted to suspend this card. Is it actually used?

>>69641814
>>69641773
aussie is shitposting, average is 20 new per day

>>69643023
Just say プレイヤー instead. You'll sound 百パーセントすごい, I assure you

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>first day of Japanese class with seminar
>teacher says "The seminar room is very small, I hope we'll all fit in there"
>mfw half of the students in class are overweight

>>69642114
平29年1月7日だ

まちがえるな

>>69643036
>aussie
(´・ω・`)

>>69643090
please do not meme on me, japanese is some very serious business.

>>69643169
If it's that much of a serious business to you, shouldn't you try to learn as much as you can instead of suspending cards?

>>69643023
I hear it all the time in my sports animes. Yes it's actually used all the time when talking about sports.

>>69643206
you have backed me into an ideological corner pal
i have no choice but to admit defeat

>>69643272
どういたしまして、後輩くん

>>69643036
>average
It's not the average. It's the minimum for people who are actually trying. The average, I hope, is a bit higher

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>>69642905

You need to remember that most translations are just approximations. In the last thread I talked about small nuances in both languages that often get lost when trying to translate them.

会社 is 会 association and 社 shrine/association. The etymology is 会 two people meeting under a roof and 社 a sign/altar planted in the ground. The etymology shows a word linking it to small groups that meet, shrines and associations of people.

企業 is 企 plan and 業 business/vocation. 企 is a man stopping to think and plan and 業 is a 巾 hanging scroll and 丵 thick, literally showing a thick scroll advertising a service. The etymology shows a planned service of men who stop to think before they engage in business, but advertise before having any products in hand.

覚 さとり is easy, but it alludes more to awakening to knowledge or enlightenment, with 見 seeing 尚 some ways still to go. Where as 起 shows 走 running with the phonetic of 已, but this also refers to the silk road that ran from China into the west. Perhaps an allusion to rising early when travelling on the silk road.

>>69643393
How much of this does the average Japanese even know?

I haven't met many English natives who know all the Latin/Greek/German etc. derivations of words or even general derivations at all.

I'm taking Japanese courses at my university. Last term was formal, now we are going to do casual. Looking forward to it because I might finally understand a little of what they are singing about in Japanese music (why is everything in casual form? music, anime, tv, etc. Of course not everything but a lot of it.)
My goal is to be able to decently understand Japanese games/music without too much trouble, how long would this take with formal education (uni) do you all think?

First post here, sorry for not lurking more and learning thread culture.

>>69643507
Sometimes I think that aussie is just a guy who fell too hard for the RTK meme and now the only thing he can do is delude himself into believing that his time wasn't wasted and shit up the thread with walls of text about kanji etymology

>>69643534
You can't learn Japanese.

Enjoy your class.

>>69643639
What's RTK meme?

>>69643670
Rememebering the Kanji

>>69643688
I mean, learning some of it looks useful but when you see that 月 is present in a lot of body part words you kind of learn it along the way.

>>69643534
Assuming you only follow the coursework to a T and don't do any kind of research on your own, it's entirely possible that you won't be able to make heads or tails of songs even after completing your four years. If you take it upon yourself to look up vocab and such on your own, you can get started after 2-3 years.

There is no harm in trying earlier, however.

>>69643507
Nothing

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>>69643507

Japanese know very little to nothing about Japanese etymology, just like English speakers and English etymology. I will usually explain the Japanese etymology to Japanese speakers, which is a great way to entertain at parties and so on.

Aside from the pictographic kanji, Japanese learn Kanji by rote.

I'm a writer and author so I learned Latin and ancient Greek to help my English writing, I'm well versed in English etymology as well. I also speak German fluently. I just enjoy stories and researching history, so it is a very enjoyable way for me to study.

>>69643639

RTK is an abomination. I bought one of the books and I was disgusted, absolutely horrified by what Mr. Heisig had done. RTK is NOT etymology, he just makes up his own little stories, which have no connection to the history of the Kanji.

All the kanji I present, with their etymological stories are based on research and fact. I base my work off the Tokyo University Kanji Research Group, who have spent many decades studying kanji etymology.

DO NOT read any RTK books, they will only set you back.

>>69643534
Sorry, in my experience the DJT threads have always had multiple elitists like >>69643670 who are hostile to newcomers. It's a really selfish attitude - /dpt/ is never this bad.

Anyway, the general sentiment here is that many if not most uni courses focus on reducing the learning curve of the language by teaching phrases and how "things in English are said in Japanese" without enough regard to how the Japanese works. Also, the problem of leaving out Kanji for later even though they're critically important. So, basically, not developing very well the foundation you need to learn the language. There's also the aspect of vocab going "in one semester, out the other" because you're studying for tests instead of digesting real content/using Anki. TLDR: >>69643810

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>>69643789

Its not 月, but 肉. Both these look like ⺝ this radical. The reason it is used in body parts is because it refers to flesh.

I covered this one 腸 a few days ago, which shows long pieces of flesh hanging from banner/pole like streamers. Meaning intestines はらわた。

>>69643789
And that's exactly why RTK is pretty much useless

>>69643892
Oh, please keep posting those, then
It'd be nice if you quit tripfagging though, since you can already be easily recognized by your walls of text and autism for etymology

>>69643993
Its just joke, you cant learn Japanese is the very first thing in the guide.

Im sorry for elitisting.

>>69643810
Four years and still not enough to understand songs? Jeez. I do look up things on my own though.

>>69644206
Well the next time you mention that to someone who definitely doesn't know it's a joke, it would be helpful to explain your meaning or (hopefully) answer the question

>>69643993
Thanks for your post. I've definitely noticed the focus on "saying English sentences in Japanese".
I've seen all over the web that many people think that going to school for Japanese is "bad", I don't really understand where that sentiment comes from. Is it because many people try to learn the language by themselves and are biased against schools, or is it that the schools teach in "the wrong way" (like you said earlier).

>>69643145
kiwi, my bad (´・◡・｀)

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Yesterday I timed myself to see how long I'm reading for when I sit down to read and how much is read and now there is another point of comparison. Today I sat down and re-read through the first volume of よつばと!, since it's been a while and the entire volume took 65 minutes. The comparison is:
けいおん: 51 pages, 91 minutes.
よつばと!: 224 pages, 65 minutes.
Vaguely remember picking it up for the first time in Japanese and taking like six hour or something to read through the same volume. Strange feeling, clear sign of progression but it doesn't really feel like it until you give it some sort of objective measure. Maybe that's the appeal of tests like the 日本語能力試験, etc.? Have to re-read through the same volume of けいおん at the start of 2018 and see if it's more like the よつばと! values.

Any anons here who consider themselves at an intermediate level around? When did you stop feeling like a beginner? How many volumes of manga, light novels, visual novels, books or whatever did you have under your belt before you felt a sense of confidence in your understanding?

>>69644467
Well, there's a bit of both going on. Among most people in these threads, classes are at best seen as a supplement to self-study, and at worst, seen as something that teaches you the wrong way to think about Japanese and things to be "unlearned". But with any group of people with opinions, it varies wildly.

I'm somewhere in the middle, I guess. I've never taken a Japanese course myself, but I've taken two other languages, and both of them had these exact issues. But I also believe that a Japanese course COULD be taught the right way, and I'm sure many are taught way better than others.

I can also see attending class as a motivator (I find it hard to work hard and make habits without a paycheck or a grade involved).

日本語の勉強に熱心な外国人がいっぱい居るな。

Question.
What the fuck do JSDF dress uniforms look like? I can't find shit about it, only pics from imperial japan.

>>69643145
(-ω- ?)

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>>69644712

よくここの外人が欧米に留学するアジア人留学生はアジア人留学生だけで固まって行動してるって言ってるけど、
うちの大学にいる外人留学生も白人だけで固まって英語しか話してないぞ

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>>69644642

>counters
DON'T DO THIS TO ME JAPAN

>>69644632
Yeah, I can for sure say that the best thing taking classes did for me was creating routines, and making me work way harder than I would have on my own.
I'm very bad with disciplining myself on studying, having a teacher, deadlines and clear goals helps me a lot.

>>69644874
I have to say, a lot of things like >counters for example is pretty ridiculous in Japanese. But it's also what makes it interesting.

>>69644683
There are photo galleries on their official websites that contain a few pictures of what I assume you're looking for. You can also search for 自衛隊音楽まつり and see a few shots. But since they're all from Japanese websites, the resolution isn't so great.

>>69644599
>When did you stop feeling like a beginner?
Constantly. And of course then you get a bit better and realize how you still sucked.

But I would say a good point for being clearly free of beginnerdom is when you rarely struggle to understand the meanings of sentences anymore. Maybe you still have to look up words, but you're good enough at grammar that you know you'll never have to reference Tae Kim again.

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>>69644874
一匹、日課、三世、一号
一番、二班、三万、一丁
一次、二人、道-例-味。
一斤、三人、 ファッキン・ヘル

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Why are you learning Nip speak?

>>69644955
>自衛隊音楽まつり
hmmmmm
these uniforms look familiar

>>69645147
I want to be an exchange student in glorious Nihon, also vidya and music.

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>>69645147
人類侵略

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>>69645162
i wonder why

>>69645147
It's fun.
It's a good way to spend my time.
I find Nip more interesting than shit like German and Spanish.
I'm more of a weeb than I'd ever admit to myself.

>>69645147
Initially, because it's interesting.
Now, because I need it in my daily life. And also, it's interesting.

>>69645147
basically >>69645271 and because life in japan sounds nice desu

>>69642114
you write like a fag
are you a sissy?
show us your anus love

>>69643023
yes, all the time

It's a suffix after a sports player's name, much like sensei

What don't you like about it? After all these years I still get hung up on 助手 for some reason. My brain always skips a beat when trying to read it and I don't know why. In fact I hate 手術 too. Something about 手 man

>>69643993
> in my experience the DJT threads have always had multiple elitists like >>69643670 who are hostile to newcomers.
It's /a/ culture. They feel superior about the fucking media player codecs they use so it's natural it should extend to other things.

Hopefully it's behavior that will be mitigated as /a/ niggers are forced to integrate with /int/ culture

>また日本語の勉強を辞めた
>日本語を学ぶことが出来ない
これはもう五回だろう、今回本当にまじめに勉強しようとする

>>69643789
RTK's strength is that it doesn't just stop at radicals nor does it have anything to do with etymology. It's pure mnemonics. Sometimes they match up as in the case of 月 and body parts, but most of it isn't a 1:1 mapping like that.

>>69645147
I plan on retiring there, lived there for a bit and really enjoyed it. I'm also a huge weeb and 四世

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>>69645582
早口で
手術中っていって

>>69645706
how long did you live there? did you live in a rural or urban area? how did you make a living?

>>69645147
Dated a Japanese girl and wanted to bridge language gap a bit. Got kinda hooked and kept at it even after she went back and we seperated. Now the writing relaxes me.

Also became intrigued but her tidy organized life.

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>>69644712
Fuck 56% of our population. I was so hype for an actually good flag.

>>69645519
lmao, true though
actually, what's considered a feminine handwriting style in Japan? is it just "rounded corners" like everywhere else

>>69645847
A year for an exchange program, it was at ICU in Mitaka, about a 45 minute train ride from shinjuku on the chuo-sen. More suburban, there was a great park a short bike ride away (nogawa koen I think) and the train ride to takao-san for hiking wasn't that far either. Tons of fun, I'd love to live there again.

>>69645919
that flag looks beautiful
>>69645972
sound like my dreamed life

>>69643892
>learn kanji by rote
What does that mean?

>>69646104
Writing it over and over again.

お・め・こ

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>>69645919
It's just a bit of cloth. If I had my way, the Australian flag would be pic related.

>>69645922
essentially

>>69646136
Does it work? How much do Japanese do it?

>>69646151
(´(ｪ)｀)

>>69646177
>Does it work?
Not for adult learners for Japanese as a foreign language.

>>69646177
Children do it, but their brains are different and they have the benefit of 24/7 reinforcement.

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Stupid Gaijins

>>69646287
What's the native langauge of Ecuador, again?

>>69646324
Ecuadorian, of course.

>>69646342
So you see no irony in posting what you just posted alongside that image in English? The same applies to you, in case you didn't realise, 外人さん.

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>>69646151

>>69646399
You can learn English, but you can't learn Japanese.

>>69646647
I know what rice is you daft bint.

>>69646647
Tell me about Chimachi

Why does she wear a purse while cooking at home

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>>69646287
Good. If you fuck up you should get roasted for it.

>>69647015
She doesn't fry so good.

>>69645801
imoutoさんこんにちは

>>69647035
Modern chinks aren't the same as ancient Chinese anyways.

>>69647377
It's an integral part of history regardless of whether you are 中黒人 or not.

>>69647463
>中黒人
loooool

I need to start using this

What's a お中元?

>>69647691
Never encountered that one, but I'd assume it's a polite way to call someone old.

Could someone help me break these two sentences down? What's what, and if I'm really missing anything...

>なんとたたいてもダニ退治の効果はないそうなのです
I'm not sure if this one is saying if the bugs went into the deeper part of the futon, or if he's saying that hitting it has no use. Later in the story, he cuts open the futon in frustration, so I'm not sure.

>ダニはアイロンをかけてころすのがいいのだとききました
I know that in this one he's bringing up using an iron - but not sure about the rest of it. かけて is confusing, because I'm not sure if he's talking about raising the iron or something else, and everything after ころす is equally confusing, mostly for the lack of kanji...

Thanks.

>>69648015
アイロンっていうかスチームね

That looked like 中目黒人 for me.

>>69648015
>なんどたたいても
No matter how many times I hit it
>ダニ退治の効果はないそうなのです
my attempts at getting rid of the mites have had no effect.

>ダニはアイロンをかけてころすのがいいのだとききました
I heard that ironing (the fabric that the mites inhabit) is an effective method of killing them.

アイロンをかける means to take an iron to. ころす is 殺す - to kill.

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>try reading manga
>have to look up words at least once per panel

>>69648203
Welcome to learning a language.

>>69648203
Better start with texthooking VNs. OCR or lookup by hand is too fucking slow

>>69648203
Maybe you're not at that level yet?
It depends upon a person's sense of masochism. 4chan is home to lots of autistic people with plenty of free time so I don't doubt that there are those who "study" by looking up every other word, but the golden ratio for effective study with written material is something approaching 95% familiarity, 5% unknown.

You'll see most of the other posters in this ITT thread mining 20-50 words a day total from extended reading/viewing.

>>69648363
>in this ITT thread
This one is my favourite.

>counters
fuck japan

>>69648736
Is this some kind of epic Japanese 101 meme where people latch onto one of the sole confounding characteristics in an otherwise remarkably consistent language and play them up?

I don't think counters ever really even matter beyond the super common ones. Maybe you'll mix something up, but people will still know exactly what you're talking about.

I'm wondering if I should go through all this hassle

https://onscripter.osdn.jp/ios/

Are there any good Nscripter games besides Tsukihime?

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>>69648736
what's wrong?

僕はチンコが長いよ

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>>69641814
>I feel like I'm doing good?
Yes, you feel.

>>69643023
-手 for people shows up in several cards, if I were you I'd get used to it while you have time. Else you'll start burying -者, -家 and -事 too in no time.

>>69643534
>music is informal
Stop listening to garbage.

>>69648203
That was a real bummer to me, so I finished Core 6k before starting to read. Worked.

Is Tae Kim actually osakajin or is that just a meme?

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>>69648324
>>69648363
Thanks for the advice, I'll probably do that. At the moment I mix anki and manga. I work full time though so I don't have that much free time

>>69648842
>Is this some kind of epic Japanese 101 meme where people latch onto one of the sole confounding characteristics in an otherwise remarkably consistent language and play them up?
yes
Learning jap even at a basic level has made me realize how illogical english is and how many stupid quirks there are which make absolutely no sense and must be absolute torture to learn as a second language

>>69649016
He's quite obviously a Korean.
Does Tae Kim sound Japanese to you?

>>69649073
But does he teach osaka dialect or regular nippongo?

>>69649062
Worst thing about English has got to be the spelling. "Have you bought enough nougat from George's?"

>>69648993
Kill yourself.

>>69649029
yeah you gotta learn smart hon. 10 minute manga pages aren't gonna help you if you're a working man.

More than anything else it was RTK that finally helped me start reading native material. I was just doing Anki vocab review, grammar textbooks, and graded readers until then.

>>69649062
Japanese has been so much easier for me to learn than French. Infa 1488%

>>69649085
Dude, there's a an aussie shitposting about how Osaka is Korea 2.0 for about 2 threads now, and he said people do 5 cards a day on Anki.

Do you still have any doubts about the credibility of his claims?

Besides, do you think Osaka people know less Japanese than you that you can't absorb anything useful from them? I'm reading that 平成生まれ yonkoma and it's in Osaka-ben. It's perfectly understandable.

>>69649121
>I before E except after C
>there are more exceptions to this rule than there are words that actually follow it

Japanese dialects are a meme anyway. They play them up as an arbitrary point of pride but almost never does it inhibit actual communication.

Unless you are talking to a very old person in the countryside, of course.

but it's easy to read English sentence as long as it follows basic standard grammar. SV SVO SVC SVOC SVOO etc

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>>69640717
Thank you for reminding me that a wageslave such as myself can't learn Japanese.

>>69649180
Being taught this weird horseshit in elementary school fucked me up for years.

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>>69649268
One hour a day keeps Dekinai-chan away.

>>69641773
Wow, there is some weird advice in that thread. Is reddit normally like this, or is anon cherrypicking for our amusement? The top post is particularly bizarre

>>69649621
When I looked up things via google in the past, it would often lead me to a reddit post which more often than not was full of garbage and especially wrong informations.

Is there a way I can bring back buried/suspended cards in anki? I have 100 leeches that are really simple words that I'd like to throw back into my deck.

What's an easy light novel to read that's already in text, not a bunch of picture files?

>>69650332
キノの旅 is pretty good

>>69650422
Thanks.

>>69650297
Oh shit never mind I feel like an idiot I just unsuspended everything. I make up for it by finishing my reps!

>>69641814
I do 20 new cards per day and I usually get ~90 reviews due, which usually ends up taking about two hours to finish.
I think I'm retaining ok, if the reviews didn't take so long I'd probably increase the daily cards.

>>69651868
2 hours sounds a lot. I have about that many reviews, an extra step on new cards, I listen to every example sentence and fill a whole a4 page with kanji and still barely take more than an hour on a bad day. Are you spending a lot of time making mnemonics or something?

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For previous lessons see http://learnjapanesethehardway.blogspot.com.au/

Adjectival Nouns 8#: Followed by predicative phrases

Adjectival nouns can be used with a variety of sentence-final predicative phrases. In these cases, the adjectival noun is followed by a linking verb, な, の, or nothing depending on the nature of the predicative phrase.

Followed by だ or です

この辺りは安全だそうだ。・このあたりはあんぜんだそうだ。・They say that this neighborhood is safe.

このアパートはあまり静かじゃないそうです。・このあぱーとはあまりしずかじゃないそうです。・I heard that this apartment is not very quiet.

This expression そうだ or そうです implies hearsay. Someone said such and such or I heard this from someone.

辺り・あたり・border shows a ⻌ walking/foot radical with the 刀・トウ・かたな・sword radical. It implies ⻌ patrolling a 辺 border with your 刀 sword at the ready. Can also be used for environment, boundary, border or vicinity.

辺り・vicinity

安全・アンゼン・safe shows 安・アン・cheap/content and 全・ゼン・whole/complete. 安 has a few meanings which stem from the same ideographic image. It shows a 女 woman or a kneeling person under a 宀 roof. This kanji can refer to 安い・cheap, which came from a time where it was 安 cheaper for men to return 宀 home to their 女 wives, then to find a prostitute. But, it can also mean 安まる rested/feel at ease, because men would 安 feel at ease when they returned 宀 to their 女 wives. A similar meaning can be found in 安らか・peaceful/tranquil/calm, which alluded to a 女 women being the 安 calm/peaceful half of the relationship that would stay 宀 home to look after the household. A darker vision of 安 is not a 女 woman, but in fact a person kneeling down in the 宀 household, to imply a servant or housekeeper (cheaper to have a servant than to hire someone).

Cont'd.

How do I make my handwriting more aesthetic?

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>>69653509
you should do shodo.

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>>69653509
Practice, tomod8. Also look up 美文字 for nice examples.

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>>69653199

Before Hideyoshi banned slavery after the Sengoku period, some households kept slaves. After the ban there was a shift to indentured servitude, which unfortunately still continues to this day in Japan. 全 is made up of 入 to enter and 玉 jade, but in this case the 入 means whole or complete. 全 shows a pure or complete piece of jade. Together 安全 shows a 女 woman 宀 at home in the possession of 全 whole pieces of jade (very rare/valuable jewels), keep it 安全 safe and 安全 secure.

安全・アンゼン・safe/secure

この辺りは・this vicinity・安全だそうだ。 is safe (I) heard/been told

So the structure is adjectival noun + だ・です + そう + だ・です. Don't worry about mixing up だ、な、の, you will be understood and sometimes corrected.

We have covered 静か・quiet before, 青・あお・blue/green plus 争う・あらそう・to contend.

このアパートは・this apartment subject・あまり静かじゃないそうです。not very quiet (I) heard/been told

Fairly straight forward.

Tune in tomorrow for the next lesson.

目的は早くてわかりやすい書き込むなんだけど、美しい文字はあまり重要じゃない

まぁそう思う

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Duolingo is paying off as production practice. But sometimes shit like this happens.

Also it refused to let me use 構想 and 設計 for a shirt design, I had to use filthy デザイン.

How do I become a qt anime girl?

>>69654379
you are more qt than an anime girl already.

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>>69654379
声優になることで

かもね

>>69648953
Holy school nostalgia

>>69653199
>>69653937
Can you stop spamming links to your blog?

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Need some help with this page please, there are a few things I'm unable to read, I marked them with * :

――――――――――

PEPPER SALT

• 目玉焼
• ハム(厚切)
• さいたトリ肉(ムネ)
• レタス(?*)
• トマト(スライス)
• 玉ネギ(スライス)
• ピクルス(?*)

パンにはバターを忘れずに!!

シルキー作 チセ用サンドイッチ

こぼれてもそのまま
犬ホームズの用に
?*

http://img.yaplog.jp/img/04/pc/s/u/z/suzuki_rira/1/1241.jpg
Link is just the reference to 「犬ホームズ」, you're not forced to click it.

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>>69654678

How are people going to find the previous lessons?

>>69640717
It's funny though. I'm actually doing better now no longer a NEET.
Even though I have less time I've got some structure back in my life and use what little time I have more efficient.

>>69654351
Oh wait, you're doing the English course from the Japanese perspective? Might try that.

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>>69652656
Nevermind I got it wrong, I just did my first session of the day (90 reviews + 20 new) and it took 59 minutes.
I use 1 10 30 180 for new cards.

How do I fix my retention by the way?
I don't really have any mature cards yet as I've only been studying for about a month and a half, but under "Answer buttons" I have 81.15% for Learning and 72.62% for Young.
I'd like to up the correct answers by 10% at least, but it's hard to retain extremely bland words like 作る and 新し

Is the dictionary of japanese grammar a good way to learn grammar as a beginner?

>>69656574
>180
Do you find yourself cheating with the final step? If my last step was 3 hours, I'd probably mark whatever the card was as correct so I didn't need to wait again.

>How do I fix my retention by the way?
>I've only been studying for about a month
Time.

>>69656839
Stick to tae kim and use DoJG just to look up new grammar.

>>69614605
What is the difference between ~ならない and ~いけない?

>>69656850
Actually the last step is the one I tend to cheat the least on, probably since occasional cheating with the earlier ones makes me feel bad about not having tried hard enough to get to the last one, so if I fail it I just think to myself that I didn't even bother with the word and that I should just reset it.
I still try to be quite honest though, it's better to spend a bit more time on a card and learn it properly than to cheat on it and not actually learn it.

So retention gets better with time?
Could be I suppose, for me the first few days were awful as I wasn't used to the Anki concept, I probably only got like 30% correct and just a session of 50 cards would take multiple hours.

>>69655090
• レタス(ちぎり)
• ピクルス(みじん切)

犬ホームズの用に
ガブリといこう

>>69656988
Also I just removed the sentence fields (except the Japanese text) from my deck so I don't have to bother listening to that shit, it stresses me out.

First impression after doing a session without the sentence audio is that it's a lot quicker and it's easier to remember cards, I never pay attention to what they're saying anyway so I don't mind losing out on the potential listening practice.

>>69657101
Awful move.

>>69657267
How come?

>>69656994
>>69655336
ありがとうございます。

>>69656908
You had better pick up some sentences in which you feel some difference in order to make what you want to know simple because they have some meanings to explain.

>>69653682
stop posting pictures of me
pervert

>>69658231
what does it mean
are you stupid

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Pls translate this conversation. What are they talking about?

>>69658733
They're talking about the pleasure of being cummed inside.

>>69658733
My English is a bit fuzzy, but my dictionary says it's "innard release rapture"

What's a good website for translating japanese to english?

>>69659843
http://translation.infoseek.ne.jp/
http://www.excite.co.jp/world/

>>69658733
the pleasure of mandatory swedish

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>>69659560

Japs have a pretty good sense of humour. I wish they would use it more IRL.

This post was on Twitter and it looked interesting and I'm curious, what's it about? https://twitter.com/_gnwt_/status/759306697777164288

>>69653937
Can you tell me more about Hideyoshichan?

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>>69653937
>全 is made up of 入
Team me more, sensei!

Why doesnt Anki tell you if its on or kun yomis? Am I going to have to look this all up myself?

>>69664288
Anki is just a flashcard program. Lay the blame with the deck.

>>69662321
About how some dumb whores are expecting guys to pay for everything because getting your 財布 out for a girl is shameful. The pic from the VN has the 2D girl saying it's best to go 50-50 because that way they can go to even more dates together.

Comments are either guys saying girls are horrible or people saying it's a personality problem and not a problem concerning all girls.

>>69662321
I don't mind about that.
There is not a rule clearly.

We should pay our fee in ourselves, and if a partner insists to pay all fee, I think we should just say to thank him.

>>69664398
I thought that would go without saying.

Im guessing that I will be looking them up?

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>>69665010

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Made a something, feel free to use it.

>>69664288
Chinks don't learn whether their words are kun or on when they're absorbing vocabulary as children.
You should do the same. When you actually study it, it will be clear as day.

>>69665258
Pattern I noticed is for verbs and stand alone kanji I can use kun but when two are together its on and on is usually ぎょう、りょ、しょう soundinG words.
generally

>>69665414
Well, on'yomi will naturally show up in compounds because they were loanwords from Chinese, and those are generally monosyllabic (or end with ku/tsu/diphtongs and such).

As kun'yomi was arbitrarily made to words that already existed, there is no reason for "kokoro", for instance, to be a compound, so it's a standalone symbol. Same goes to most verbs.

You'll also notice that "compound ideas", like 心遣い carry kun rather than on readings because it's not a single concept made by two kanji (like, say, 通知), but rather a combination of two things, the "heart" and the "usage".

If you think about it, 自殺 (jisatsu) and 人殺し (hitogoroshi) carry very different flavors.
In my silly dekinai mind, I even picture words like hitogoroshi to be more plebeian, since it looks like a pidgin way of describing something that already has a "literary" (chink) version to it.

But since this dispute between native and loan words is over a thousand years old, that's just me being silly.

Have you been to Japan? Are you guys generally very social? I want to go within two years but I have a hard time socializing and I fear my abilities will go unused.

>>69645519
>>69645922
How can I be better?

>>69666013
I have lots of "people skills", but I hate socializing because I've lost hope on "normalfags" before even hitting my teens. But being in a different society I would probably become sociable again, discovering a whole new culture and being a child again. Until I get used to it and misanthropy flourishes again.

>>69667145
Why do you assume writing girlyly is a bad thing? You're cute, dude!

>>69665010
>Im guessing that I will be looking them up?

If you know what on and kunyomi are then 99% of the time it should be obvious without looking them up.

>>69667145
no worries. if anything that's childishly rough, not girly.

>>69666013
>>69667199
Just go to a maid cafe or get drunk at an izakaya where weebs/autists gather.

i'm sure you'll enjoy it.

Mac OS X question.

Is it possible to change only the Calendar app GUI and Time format to display in Japanese while the menu settings remain in English only for these two apps? Ideally, I would know enough Japanese to comprehend a Japanese menu setting (I've been studying vocabulary < 1 week) for any and all Mac apps, but I've just learned a few temporal vocabulary at this point and want to reinforce the words that I know. Although many words in a program's menu setting are displayed in kana, many words are still displayed in kanji that aren't practical to integrate into my "curriculum" at this point. I've tried searching the internet, but can't find a search result that pertains to my question.

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>>69653722
>try searching tomod8 for examples
>it's a plenty of fish user
>wtf is this guy talking about
>look again
>友達

Is this the m8 of Japanese?

>>69667737
>>69667199
美文字で書きたいですから

My internet is gonna be shit for a while so no free annie may streams for me, what should I read to kill some time? Are those Suzumiya Haruhi novels any good?

>beginner materials teach you that クビ is used to say someone got fired
>all the nips actually just say リストラ

>>69670226
both of those are used tho
learn2context

>>69664288
Where it isn't obvious they sometimes say "chinese origin" or "japanese origin"