Europeans say thank you to British rail privatisation

UK BTFO

So narurally stiff.

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AHAAHAHAH<AHAAHAHA

>>69475223
Thanks lads.

You'll need the money for all those immigrants.

>>69475223
FUCKING REKT

>tfw no french gf

Fucking hate being America-lite

The NHS is still pretty good but it's unlikely to be universal single-payer by 2025

My only hope is that Scotland becomes independent and the English suffer in the dystopian neo-lib hellhole they've made

That feel when I usually agree with the left more than the right when it comes to public transport..

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>>69475457
>The NHS is still pretty good

>>69475457
If Scotland leaves, then the rUK will be governed by the Tory Party for eternity.

You can't do this to them.

I bet my nuts Italy will join this. Buying the least used, most wrecked train line EVER, pay millions of euros to modernise it and sell it back to the Brits for cheap while we get another lifetime tax on gasoline

source: Italian history, chapter "colonies and colonisation"

>>69475579
it's what they deserve honestly
nothing ruins a party more than an englishman

>>69475551
Still ranked the most efficient healthcare system in the world according to the OECD iirc

Although it's a lot better in Scotland. Hunt's pretty much shattered all morale in the NHS in England and the system requires a great deal of good will from those working in it to survive.

>>69475579
>If Scotland leaves, then the rUK will be governed by the Tory Party for eternity.

And with the state of labour (not that I'm a massive fan of them but they're better than the tories) it looks like the UK could be ruled by tories til 2025 at least anyway.

Scotland has a single conservative MP

>>69475223
Who remembers this video?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHM94Wg92T0

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>>69475223
>dat smug expression on the german when he says thank you

>>69475904
Cost me £100 to get down to Oxford from Edinburgh about a month ago

I've flown to Stockholm for £40 return before

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>>69475457
>EU
>not the height of neoliberalism

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>>69476011
>USA

>>69476011
>voting for Trump and Brexit because you don't like neoliberalism
Haha

>>69476082
lol

>>69476011
USA probably is 2bh, but Westminster's been worse than the EU has for a long time

Macmillan was probably the last great prime minister and since then the tories have been the party of false economy. They literally just sold of the land registry (which, in addition to being something that the state really ought to be in charge of, was profitable) to a private company - allegedly it was to do with preventing freedom of information requests from applying to land but I wouldn't put it past ideology-driven ministers as just wanting to dump all state assets.

MY THOUGHTS ON ENGLAND

http://vocaroo.com/i/s0ZfJYpKBrx9

>>69476143
They didn't sell the Land Registry, you massive lying faggot.

>>69476349
Missed the news that it was put on hold but the fact that they were going to sell it shows the state of affairs.

Not like I had much of a say in it
I was born just as privatisation had been completed and haven't had the opportunity to vote in a general election


Even then, Labour are in complete shambles with someone in the Shadow Cabinet resigning every 6 months and a complete Shadow Cabinet purge every year

The Lib Dems have turned into Who: The Party because they were decimated in the last GE

UKIP have no use since their only goal was completed

The Tories, despite being the Tories, are going to be running this country for a very long time

>>69475223
lol and to think they're still kissing Thatcher's ass on the other side of the channel

>>69475395
>You'll need the money for all those immigrants.

t. totally immigrant-free paradise

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>>69475457
US rail went from privatized to partially owned by the government though

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>>69475904
I feel sorry for this guy, honestly.

>>69477282

"Shadow Cabinet" sounds so cool for something so boring.

>>69475223
That score is made up, it went 2-1 then 3-1 then 4. Also that was the first goal.

>>69476048
Well he's not wrong. They're both run by the same types of people

>>69477819
Same thing with healthcare, banks, roads etc.

Only thing that went from public to private in the US is airlines

>>69475551
You need to have something serious to see the NHS as good. If you go to an A&E with a non-life threatening injury and complain about waiting times I have zero sympathy.

>>69475223
Why are you posting this, when we do the same and have french and english companies run some of our trains?

>>69478320
It's just some video by some union to make the tories look bad. I honestly can't wait until all rail staff are replaced by self-drive trains anyway.

>>69475223
>This is meant to make me angry at the Tories
>Instead, it just makes me angry at the EU
wew

>>69477826
yes, he seems like a nice lad, but god has he an ugly face

>>69478467
that will be glorious.

I think we will buy the self driving trains from Europe too which will be such sweet ironing

>>69478553
literally why, the literal

Obviously be angry at either those who decided to privatise, or the union that's trying to stir up shit to protect muh outdated jobs

>>69478263
I had a minor chest issue and I saw a doctor, an X-Ray technician, and a physiotherapist all within the space of two weeks

My dad had a minor heart problem that in no way was life threatening, or even life impeding. He didn't even know about it until he looked back at his heartrate on his heartrate monitor after exercise. Still, he went to his GP and a week later went to hospital for a 20 minute bit of surgery.

Similar story when he broke his wrist. I drove him to A&E and about an hour after checking in, he got called up.

I honestly think waiting times in A&E and to see specialists are a meme.

>>69478605
I'm sure we already have some on a few of the lines but I couldn't tell you which. I think the tube uses some? The more unions become politicised the more I want to see them get wrecked.

>>69478801
Transport for London opened a tender for procurement, but the unions went apeshit and the tender was quickly closed.

I think the only unmanned "trains" in the UK are the Docklands Light Railway and various people movers at airports like Birmingham

>thinking that Railways make ANY kind of profit

They always lose money. You can only try to minimize the cost as much as possible. Selling them out is a stupid idea though.

>>69478784
Yeah if you have a problem they don't wait around. If I call up the specialist because of a problem, I go into A&E for a few hours, put on a ward and start getting x-rays or whatever the next day.

You do get seen a lot faster as an inpatient too, because they want to make you leave. Only thing I hate is I get put on the ward with the alcoholics if I do go in.

Thank fuck it's not America.

>>69478949
I just went and checked, an article does say they look to be introduced 2020s. Hopefully that's going to happen.

I must've got mixed up with guards, although I do hope for driverless trains eventually. I know the whole southern rail problem at the moment is over guards, or so they say, but I don't think those are necessary either.

>>69478979
>Thank fuck it's not America.
Why? You would have been seen even faster by superior doctors.

>>69479712
>Why? You would have been seen even faster by superior doctors.
Arguable, there are plenty of people who complain about having to wait for an appointment with a specialist.
Because my medication would cost me thousands a year even with insurance because of how it works.

The NHS isn't anywhere near perfect but compared to the American system I'd take it any day.

>>69479712
sure. but for the low low low price of my entire house and car.

Blimey mate, I thought brits were bitter cunts but now I must say: Thank you

Hang on, though. If selling the railways to these European companies makes the journey cheaper for Britons, what's the problem?

>>69481076
the problem is that it doesnt

>>69481076
>makes the journey cheaper for Britons
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/british-rail-passengers-rpice-hike-train-fares-europe-income-southern-virgin-gwr-a7506711.html

>>69481076
It doesn't

>>69480613
No, not really.

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GERMANS OUT!

>>69475395
shut up Pajeet.

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>>69475223
Nuke all these countries NOW

>>69475579
>governed by the Tory Party for eternity.

Sounds like paradise 2bh

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>>69483129
Do you want to carry the nukes by train, perhaps ?

>>69475679
Italo and Frecciarossa are amazing tho

Lefties neck yourselves

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>ITT people not understanding how the British rail network works and what parts are private and aren't
>ITT people that enjoy a bloated public sector
Filthy sweeds

>>69478320
Because these companies overcharge Brits so they can lower prices on the continent.

>>69475223
smug faggots

>>69483505
They're just salty that we're leaving

>>69475395
>>69483505
>>69483543
>let's blame the Euros and not the politicians who allowed this to happen

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2016/09/ns-under-fire-over-scottish-services-mps-demand-action/

Thanks for the money Britbongs

>>69483420
Then why don't brit companies make a cheaper offer and outbid the over french or german ones?

>>69483954
because the railways in France and Germany got government backing?

why do europeans think we don't have healthcare


1) you don't know what the word "healthcare" is. healthcare is doctors and medicine and treatment. those things exist everywhere in the world. and we have the best doctors and hospitals and technology and pharmaceuticals in the world and get talent from all over the world

2) what you're actually referring to is paying for the healthcare. paying for healthcare is not the same thing as healthcare, but you use the word "healthcare" to cover both. maybe you're just dumb or it's a linguistic limitation. anyway, you have the idea that if the government doesn't pay for it (ie you pay for it through taxes) then it's not healthcare. but nearly all americans have healthcare coverage and nearly all americans get their healthcare insurance through their employer. my health insurance coverage right now is glorious and is especially great considering how much higher wages are in the US and how much lower the cost of living is here.

>>69484006
So then german and french governments are subsidizing british train lines?

(Protip: They don't)

>>69483783
Yeah I know, but you have to admit the actors/writers did a really good job of coming across as smug pieces of shit. And even though that's obviously the reaction they're trying to get out of the British audience, I still can't help but get pissed off

>>69475904
Damn I cant get anywhere worth seeing for less than $30.

Euros have traveling easy.

>thinking nationalising the railways would be good

toplel

>>69484073
>So then german and french governments are subsidizing british train lines?
He literally said that French and German railways are backed by their respective governments, hence why British corporations cannot provide funding equal to the French or German government.

Are you illiterate?

>>69475223
kek, fucking commies

>>69483420
I didn't know Virgin Trains, Crosscountry etc were on the continent

>>69484792
>>69483420 was talking about how german and french companies overcharge for franchises in britain.

So I asked why british companies can't offer cheaper service for franchises in britain.

>>69484006 claimed that the german and french governments are backing their companies (to outbit british ones for franchises in britain).

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>>69475223
>Thank you
No, Thank YOU. By supporting the European, government-led buy-up of British state-operated railway lines, you are lowering British railway fees year after year while simultaneously filling up the coffins of HM Revenue Service by purchasing shares in low-yield, high-maintenance transportation companies.

Would you like tea and biscuits to help forget the unusually unprofitable business deal you´ve recently made?

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>>69484964
National express runs some trains here, Go Ahead recently also won bids.

>>69485222
>So I asked why british companies can't offer cheaper service for franchises in britain.
There's no reason why they can't but there's plenty of reasons why they wouldn't. You think some British company bought them up back up they'd lower the prices out of the goodness of their hearts?

Honestly even if they were nationalised again I still don't think prices would go down.

>>69483414
Thank you

>>69475223
>netherlands
>publicly owned rail

I fucking wish

>>69475395
t. Minority white british capital

>>69476143
how is the US the height of neoliberalism when we have trump in the white house, and a culture in which the term socialist is the same as communist? stupid brit faggot with your head up your own ass

>>69484651
>implying letting the franchises run out is not a good thing
>privatizing monopolies

>>69475223
I don't understand. Who bought it and how does it make cheaper for people in other countries? Do the brits also have cheaper tickets?

>>69486719
>Who bought it
public owned railways companies from european countries like France, Germany and Netherlands

>how does it make cheaper for people in other countries
the profits they make with british trains are used to make the tickes cheaper in their respective home country

>Do the brits also have cheaper tickets
no

>>69486129
>ne·o·lib·er·al·ism (nē′ō-lĭb′ər-ə-lĭz′əm, -lĭb′rə-)
>n.
>A political theory of the late 1900s holding that personal liberty is maximized by limiting government interference in the operation of free markets.

>>69486929
In finland if a publicly owned company makes a lot of profit the money goes to the company runners, not making prices cheaper. For example the finnish post service (100% owned by the country) sacked a lot of workers and rised pices. They made huge profits and the CEOs wage rised from 486 000 euros to 501 000 euros and he bad bonus of 78 000 euros.

>>69486129
Do you even know what neoliberalism is?

Protip: It has nothing to do with the american definition of liberal.

>>69485308
>lowering British railway fees

top kek

>>69484045
You're not fooling anyone here, according to the WHO, your healthcare system is even more inefficient than ours (Colombia). How is that even possible?

>>69487763
Are you claiming that British railway tickets are becoming more expensive as the year fly by? That is not the case, as far as I´ve understood it. Perhaps I forgot an important detail? Enlighten me.

>>69487876
>inefficient
>according to the WHO
You dun goof´d.

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>>69475223
>using railways
>implying privatization isn't better than nationalization
fucking eurocuck socialist government cultists

>>69488085
>the freer the market, the freer the people!

>>69487981
how so?

>>69487929
They are getting more expensive, so fuck off you mongol yankaboo

>>69487929
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38486011
>Even if you allow for inflation, rail fares have gone up by around 25% since the mid-1990s.

not as bad as some people make it out to to be, but it's still going up

>>69488085
>>implying privatization isn't better than nationalization
Not really, it depends. There are certain areas where privatization isn't better than nationalization.
And those are agreed by majority of economist, excluding neolibertarians who believe in silly paradise of market always creating the perfect solution.

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>>69475223
That is amazing banter, euros.

How much of a partisan cocksucker do you have to be to defend this? Tory supporters here are brainwashed.

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>>69488085

>using health care
>implying privatization isn't better than nationalization

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>>69488085
I mean if the railways were free/single payer then nationalization wouldn't be a problem. Its when the government inflates costs through cronyism that it becomes an issue.

>>69488460
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9X_gxD9YYg

>>69481076
>>69488085
>le free market will fix it
It's always the people who know nothing about economics too. At this point it's just idolatry of a concept.

>>69488085
privatizing infrastructure is not good because when you have a monopoly you can rise prices as much you want(almost). Building new public owned railroads would be a suicide.

>>69486929
>the profits they make with british trains are used to make the tickes cheaper in their respective home country
t. hast to pay 120€ -Shekels Cologne - Munich

Face it publicly owned railroads are shit.

Everythin government run is shit.

Of course the Krypto-socialists in the EU government won't tell you that

>>69475904
obviously...
the Eurostar is fucking expensive, but it's a good train at least.
Just depends on who you are and if you've got the money I guess

>>69488470
>implying the US goverment doesn't cover 50% of insurance costs regardless of prices which encourages greedy kikes to charge more because they know they can get away with it
>implying the same greedy kikes don't collude with hospitals to fix prices through the use of insurance contracts
>implying the same greedy kikes yet again prevent interstate insurance competition, which would drive the price down from said competition
>implying this doesn't stem from ww2 where the government would provide tax breaks to business that offered employees insurance

>>69488666
see this >>69481325

> this entire thread
Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

>>69488660
Yeah but libertarians are stupid and live in a reality where one land and space are finite, two there's no environmental concern regarding construction and three an entity that exist to maximize profits wouldn't strong arm both the private and public sector as necessary in order to ensure this because of scout's honor in the free market.

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>>69488767
>my special version of free market would fix it

>>69488842
*infinte

>>69488870
>implying i ever said it had to be free market

>>69488771
>"Years of failed privatisation have left us with sky-high ticket prices, overcrowded trains, understaffed services and out-of-date infrastructure. Private train companies are milking the system, and the government is letting them get away with it."
>failed privatisation
exactly
betchu some official got out with a nice amount of money after the railroads got sold
face it, theres nothing more efficient than a functioning market
the government (or in fact any owner if he does not have sufficient competition) WILL allocate resources inefficiently, and the result is what you can see with DB, ie paying ridiculous prices for shitty, overcrowded trains without a functioning ac which arent even on time

>>69489054
free market is only effective when competition is possible.
Railroad is a natural monopoly. If a company owns a railroad track, nobody else is gonna be able to compete with them on that specific track, so they can make prices as high as they want

>>69489054
Ha, look up the AT&T and Time Warner debacle in the states of you honestly believe that.

>>69488842
The thing that baffles me the most is how comes that so many poor losers on 4chan are libertarians. Why do they go out of their way to support an ideology that benefits only huge companies and fucks over the little man

>>69489153
Add Comcast to the list as they're complicit too.

>>69489193
Infected by the American complex of being "temporarily embarrassed billionaires" is my guess.

>>69489054
Competition is great. But not every economic sector allows competition or works like like a free market. You can't apply the same standards that drive the costs in the computer industry to the transportation one.

>>69475395
You're under this mistaken impression that once you quit EU migrants will stop coming

You are not part of schengen zone, and you have full right to kick out any non-eu citizen
All these muslims, arabs, africans indians pakis - that's right you can kick them out and eu can do nothing about it

But you never did, and you never will
They kept coming because you allowed it, and that will not change

>>69489295
lolbertarians claim that the free market system is voluntary. But some (technically) voluntary systems are just far more valuable than consumer goods like public transportation or healthcare that actually end up enriching the economy by providing infrastructure so the more competitive and voluntary industries can exist.

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>there are retards in this thread that think an ancap state wouldn't work despite governments being consistently inefficient, bloated institutions and ancap wouldn't weed out all the shitskins and cripples who can't survive

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>>69489745
>le zurvival of d fiddesd
>fugg gomblexx ZDEM, ven I gan fugg and grapp >9000 babbys XDXDDDDDDXD

>>69489295
>>69489149
>competition is not possible with railroads
thats bullshit
there are plenty of different options on how you could split up a railroad network, or even just sell stocks for it
look it up
http://regulationbodyofknowledge.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Kopicki_Best_Methods_of.pdf

>>69489846
i think your keyboard just broke Kremlbot

>>69486129
Another victim of american "education".

>>69475223
God I hate how smug continentals are

>>69489857
>have to follow different sections of a 336 page document to the tee (which would never happen) in order to allow free market principles to flourish
or
>nationalize railroads and be simple rather than autistic about it

>>69479712
FOY

>>69490070
>nationalize railroads and be simple

It usually doesn't work like that, not that I don't agree with nationalisation of railroads

>>69490070
>>nationalize railroads and be simple rather than autistic about it
yeah well thats the shitty solution though

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>>69489846
You would be the first to go ;^)

>>69490368
>be the first to go
>uses the passive voice to intend a forceful action

don't be such a beta

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>be american
>drive a car I paid for on publicly funded and built roads instead of having to use the metro like some eurocuck

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>>69490777
>his commute isn't a 15 min refreshing, easy, enjoyable and healthy bike ride through a park
>he has to wait for 2 hours in a traffic jam

wew

>>69487981
I'm sure your arse and /pol/ otr whatever are better sources than the WHO
fuck off

>>69491007
>park paths aren't paved with stone

lad

>>69487929
they go up every single year and there is always the same minor segment on them complete with a few brief words from people traveling, on the news. every year

>>69489149
but it being a natural monopoly is an argument for nationalisation

>>69491484
why.jpg

>>69475223
Dont even care about the videos but kek at that smug german cunt after the 3-0 at the end

>>69475223
>sending your tax dollars to other countries governments makes you a cuck!
>b...bu...but don't leave the EU!

Why are continental Europeans all autistic?

>>69489857
>here is my argument
>just read those 336 pages to reply to me

>>69491656
i think you are confusing me with the other German
I am against privatization of infrastructure

>>69492638
This vid was made by Brits themselves

>>69492638
Iron

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>>69475579
>You can't do this to them.

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I work for these guys.

AMA

>>69488358
Why do Americans even after all these years, still don't know what banter is?

That video wasn't made by yuros.

Stop posting.

>>69487540
>owned company
but that's the thing isn't it?
publicly owned businesses are usually unprofitable, which is why the government needs to control and subside them.
I insist on the "usually" because it doesn't happen in countries like France (things like what happened with your post service)

>>69491412
Why bring /pol/ up out of nowhere? Paki.

Ps the who endorses chopping up baby boys dicks, fuck the who.

>>69494013
How do I fry an egg?

>>69495750
that hit a nerve go cry about your booboo here >>>/pol/

and denying a reputable institution whilst providing no alternative defo sounds like a /pol/tard though, and I did suggest his arse as a source first

>>69496152
Rasheed confirmed.

>>69495819
phone the frying support department.

>>69497134
>WHO is a reputable institution
>lol rasheed

/pol/ack confirmed.

>>69477826
He could work in radio

>>69497526
Of course I post on /pol/ you filthy poo in loo.

Now stop shitposting, you child.