Map of relevance of European countries Thoughts?

t: sven pärson al-stockholmini

sweden is as irrelevant as we are

Germany is the most relevant country in Europe though

whats mean relevance ?

>>69471363
True. Switch France and Germany.

>>69471278
Rude

Germany should obviously be blue

>>69471278
germany is more relevant than uk

>>69471406
Role

>>69471406
In this context I'm assuming OP means how important the country is on a European/global level

>>69471329
>sweden is as irrelevant as we are
No they're not. Sweden has lots of important global companies across several sectors and a successful defence export industry

>>69471363
>>69471418
Germany is looking pretty weak to me after the events of 2016

>>69471406
>whats mean relevance ?
Basically power.

So I didn't make Germany top tier because they have no nuclear weapons, they have a poor military, shit demographics, an export economy completely reliant on the continued existence on the Eurozone, no overseas bases to project power abroad, etc.

So while I accept Germany is an important country with a strong economy, it certainly isn't top tier.

>>69471278
I would say Germany number 1 since they control monies and can fuck your country without any possibility to retaliate with rapefugees inflow at any moment.

>inb4 muh of armies and nukes

>>69471460
>>69471465
Why should Germany be more relevant when it lacks all the stuff I mentioned here? >>69471493

>>69471278
You should have a new tier,Relevant because of rapefugees.Germany,France,Sweden and UK belongs to that

>>69471525
>Relevant because of rapefugees.Germany,France,Sweden and UK belongs to that

The UK? We only accepted very few

>>69471525
>relevant because of
Relevant in spite of.

>>69471493
>Germany is looking pretty weak to me after the events of 2016

depends on your perspective. Military? Yes you are right, germany doesnt have WMD.
Politically?
Germany is behind Russia in terms of influence. britain and france comes after that.

>>69471493
>>69471521
The Eurozone does exist though, that is a fact and you can't ignore it. It's like saying that since Russia's power is completely reliant on the continued existence of its army and nuclear arsenal, it can't be considered relevant.

>>69471602
>Germany is behind Russia in terms of influence. britain and france comes after that.

By the events of 2016, I meant Brexit and Trump. Relations between Germany and the UK and US will now be less cordial than before.

>>69471616
>The Eurozone does exist though, that is a fact and you can't ignore it.
Sure. I never said it doesn't exist. But its continued existence is by no means certain.

>It's like saying that since Russia's power is completely reliant on the continued existence of its army and nuclear arsenal, it can't be considered relevant.
That's a silly analogy. Russia's army and nuclear arsenal are dependent on Russia maintaining them. The Eurozone is dependent on each Eurozone country not blowing up, not electing an anti-Euro government. The existence of the Eurozone is not just down to Germany

>>69471278
turkey is pretty relevant in this moment, desu.

>>69472011
True but only in their local region not globally

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>>69471278

>>69472181
well, turkey is now an important piece on the global view, due to military;political and economic relations with Russia. Personally i think that relevance is a very volatile value, big countries have huge relevance and can't lose it, but mostly relevant countries can gain importance for political or military reasons. (Turkey for example)

>>69472303
>Skotland
>Country

>>69472321
>well, turkey is now an important piece on the global view, due to military;political and economic relations with Russia.

But Turkey was always important for this reason, going back hundreds of years. Remember the Crimean War. This isn't a new thing. Turkey has always been important in its own region.

That's why I have them as yellow, moderately relevant.

I don't think Turkey is as powerful as Germany or France, the UK and Russia.

>france

>>69472181
Holy fucking shit are you fresh out of middle school? I get it the UK doesnt give a damn about the EU, but being so disinformed about everything is pathetic
-turkey is top tier: big army, big demographics, rising economy, has the reins of the middle east
-germany is top tier: has the power to enforce almost any decision to the EU trough the European Central Bank, together with france is at the helm of Europe, for good or bad
-UK definitely shouldnt be very relevant. I get it, you live in your own delusion of world relevance much like 90% if brits, but "muh empire" doesnt balance the big relevance hit you took after you voted out of the EU. You willingly surredered a sizable chunk of your continental power, but you're too deluded to acknowledge it yet.

>>69472497
> Turkey >> agree
> Germany >> agree
> UK >> mixed ideas

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>>69472497
Looks like I touched a nerve, eh old boy?

>-turkey is top tier: big army, big demographics, rising economy, has the reins of the middle east
Big army, but it can't project power outside its region. The Turkish economy is "rising" but the Lira is sinking like a brick, they have some big deficits, and loads of internal political instability. Turkey does not have the "reins of the middle east", no country does.

>-germany is top tier: has the power to enforce almost any decision to the EU trough the European Central Bank
This is provably wrong. Germany has always opposed the ECB's monetary easing but this has happened anyway, for years, and is still happening, despite hard German opposition.

>-UK definitely shouldnt be very relevant. I get it, you live in your own delusion of world relevance much like 90% if brits, but "muh empire" doesnt balance the big relevance hit you took after you voted out of the EU. You willingly surredered a sizable chunk of your continental power, but you're too deluded to acknowledge it yet.
We don't have an empire, "muh empire" has nothing to do with my rating of the UK because we don't have one. We're leaving the EU but remaining in Europe. British influence in Europe is about more than EU membership.

>>69472601
this 2 bee loud honest

>>69472641
Stay delusional then, why even post this chart asking for thoughts if you're depositary of the only, unquestionable truth?
Also france shouldnt be very relevant: yes they have nukes, yes they have a good navy and a good army, but as long as hollande stays in power (which is little more, inshallah) they can only be relevant at best. He's so weak-willed it almost hurts to see.

>>69471278
Hahhaha stupid anglo... Germany is the strongest country in the world......... we build the moon ship remember von braun?????????????????? all the sicience in UK and US is stolen from germany.... commmmit the self killing

>>69472809
>Stay delusional then, why even post this chart asking for thoughts if you're depositary of the only, unquestionable truth?

Are you denying that the Germans oppose the ECB's monetary easing? Or are you denying that quantitative easing is happening?

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>>69471406
As long as you have an aircraft carrier, with a ramp of course, then you're very relevant. Preferably if you have two, like the UK.

>>69473009
Having planes to put on them would make us very relevant indeed.

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Which European country finished in the top 3, beating China, at the last Olympics. Yes it was the United Kingdom.

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>>69471278
>we're more revelant than Germany
What ? I mean, they're the master of the EU, so they're the most relevant atm.

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>>69472303
Scotland pls, we're stronger together. Border collie is best European dog

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>>69472497
hmmmmmmmm

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>northern ireland is more relevant than the republic

lies. we deserve to be nuked. pic very related

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We're the only ones who can protect qt Estonia from the mean Russians.

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>>69473264
oh we'll "protect" her alright

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>>69473326
>tfw alpha Britain and France have their way with qt Estonia
>tfw you're just allowed to watch from the next room

>>69473264
Why do the Americans have to be so far away? I don't want to have to rely on Canada and Germany.

>>69472817
This

Debate is over, now go fuck yourselves

My region is more relevant than Latvia and Lithuania toguether. I'm from La Rioja.

>>69473635
Well the British army is the more relevant army in Europe with the French one assisting you so you'll be grand really.

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>>69472878
Gee I wonder who's behind this post?

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Fixed it for ya

>>69473872
>UK and Italy not blue
Why?

>>69473937
Because they're less relevant than France, Germany and Russia

>>69471278
Bullshit map
>>69473872
Good map

>>69473872
>Muh Anglos
You are dumb, krautboo.

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>>69472601

russia , lol relevant

maybe you mean all those kleptomanic jewish russian oligarch mobsters and mafiozos who dont really give a fuck about anoyone but themselves

>>69473990
Not good at all, wtf
>>69473979
And we're more relevant than any other green country

On global politics only Russia is relevant nowadays, to be realistic.

>>69474087
This

>>69472878


poor homeland security implies yous are inferior

>>69471278
the uk is no longer relevant after brexit

>>69474024
Anglo on a vacation in France? Those 3 very relevant countries have done more than UK lately, thus they're more relevant.

>>69474342
>the uk

It's called United kingdom of Great Britain and North IRELAND.

>>69471278
>Italy is more relevant than Portugal
Wrong.

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>>69474470
>Turkey speaking

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>>69473575
psssst... bruh... Join our gang for extra qt Estonia action

>>69471278
Turkey, greece, italy and spain are the most relevant countries at the moment in europe because of the refugee crisis. Its in their hands mostly

>>69473575
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>>69473196
>I'm gonna post an unrelated graph and comment with "hmm" to show that I outsmarted him
Do you want me to post the IQ graph of europe? Because things would get embarassing for you then

>>69474470
t. Alberto Barbosa
>>69474342
This
>>69473990
>>69474085
It's good, lay it down with the self-hate Carmine
>>69473872
>sweden
>relevant
Karl Gustav, I...

>Italy
>moderately relevant

HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAH YOU FAGGOTS ITALY IS IN ITS OWN CATEGORY OF RELEVANCE

And it's below the pink one

>>69476253
Hey Bogdan, how is your sister doing?

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>>69476253
t. Adrian Causeuscu

>>69476390
>>69476447
La verità fa male. Quanto prima la accetterete, tanto prima vi comporterete come si deve

t coloniefag

>>69476498
Eritrea? Somalia? Libia? Etiopia?

>>69476498
La verità deve farti davvero tanto male considerando il tuo livello di devastazione anale

>>69476498
>coloniefag
considera il suicidio

We're actually in the same league of relevance as Turkey.
And Italy is almost on the same level as the UK and France.
Germany is obviously very relevant.

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>>69477129
>We're actually in the same league of relevance as Turkey.

>>69473264
>we are designed to act stronk and waste money, because we know that France is simply above and has other cats to whipe

Ftfy

>>69476553
Tutte perse, come lagrime ne la pioggia

>>69473872
Estonia is thoroughly irrelevant

>>69479379
>and has other cats to whipe

What you do in the privacy of your own home is your business.

>>69479613
Looks like polish banter.

Why is Montenigger part of Serbia?

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Independenzia!

>>69471278
>perfidious Albion implying something about Czech relevance

Go fuck yourself, Chamberlain.

>>69471278
>France
>relevant

>>69471690
>By the events of 2016, I meant Brexit and Trump. Relations between Germany and the UK and US will now be less cordial than before.
Those are setbacks but this only makes Merkel more relevant. An EU without the UK is a more German EU.

>>69482729
>An EU without the UK is a more German EU.

An EU without the UK is weaker, poorer, less stable. It's also a more French EU, more everything else as well as German.

UK was a close German ally on economic matters in the EU, you guys are going to miss that.

>>69471493
>an export economy completely reliant on the continued existence on the Eurozone
Germany has been among the world's top 3 exporters every year since 1953.

>>69471278
France=Germany=UK
Austria maybe at the lv of Poland
Belgium and Holland not relevant
Crimea is Russia now

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>>69483224
>An EU without the UK is less stable

Yeah nah, just fuck off already

>>69484251
>Shell/Philips/ING/ASML/NXP/DAF/Heineken/KPMG/Unilever
>biggest harbour in Europe
>3rd busiest airport in Europe
>largest energy trading company in the world
>2nd largest agricultural exporter in the world
>5th largest exporter of goods in the world
>2nd largest internet exchange point in the world
>2nd highest inward/outward FDI flows within the EU

>not relevant

We make 70% of all the bacon on this fucking planet, fuck you muslim

>>69483706
>Germany has been among the world's top 3 exporters every year since 1953.

Yeah, and? The world today isn't the same as 1953. There is more competition. You will find it much harder to compete with the likes of China and Mexico without an artificially low currency.

>>69484257
You can't handle the truth bruv

>>69479591
State why in terms of non-military prowess.

>>69484618
>companies "based" in this country for tax reasons
>relevant

>>69484742
>it's the UKIPer makes a delusional thread episode #58429

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this

>>69484947
Actually I left out the ones here just for tax reasons, like IKEA and Airbus

>>69484742
The only truth is we'll all be glad when your tumor of a country is finally gone.

>>69484994
>it's the UKIPer makes a delusional thread episode #58429

I'm not a UKIPer. Literally never voted for UKIP in my life, never supported them.

>>69485071
>largest energy trader in the world

>>69471521
What are you going to use your nucular weapons and your military for? Yes, exactly for nothing.

Since the refugee crisis nothing changed here. I havn't even seen any of them yet.

>>69485808
>What are you going to use your nucular weapons and your military for? Yes, exactly for nothing.

You can't be this naive

>Since the refugee crisis nothing changed here. I havn't even seen any of them yet.

Oh wait, you are

>>69474761
But putin is threatning finland for joining nato

:^) I'm UK and we are leaving UK so we can reintroduce border control.

oh wait... WE NEVER JOINED FUCKING SCHENGEN

>>69485655
What is Vitol?

>>69473797
kek

>>69479215
The Dutch economy is comparable to Turkey. And we actually hold all basic resources our neighboring countries need (food, money, gas, oil). Plus we're the logistics center of West Europe.

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>>69479215
>this nigga forgetting the dutch empire

>>69486269
>we actually hold all basic resources our neighboring countries need (food, money, gas, oil).

And you outsource you defence to your neighbouring countries. You're a continental European country sharing a border with other countries and you have no tanks. So don't talk about your "basic resources" like that, you're in no position to deny your neighbours anything they might choose to take.

>>69486269
>we're the logistics center of West Europe.

This is flattering way of saying "a German port"

>>69486457
Fact is every invading country in the last 500+ years got rekt within no time. Because we're too important to be occupied.

>>69486360
who cares about it nowadays?

>>69486570
When Germany invades the French and Brits throw a spastic fit.
When the French invade the Germans and British.
And when the British invade the Germans and French.

>>69486570
>Fact is every invading country in the last 500+ years got rekt within no time. Because we're too important to be occupied.

Jesus Christ. What if your next liberators aren't as nice as your last ones? What's even the point of the Netherlands existing if you outsource your sovereignty?

>>69486735
During the Glorious Revolution England also got invaded by an army of mercenaries we hired. It works.

>>69486735
This is a bully free zone. No bullying by big countries allowed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Waterloo

>>69486823
Yeah England got invaded but Parliament stayed in charge, and the Dutch King was given the job because he surrounded loads of powers to the English Parliament.

How is that relevant to what we're talking about?

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>>69486975
Hey even Russia comes to our aid. How marvelous.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Russian_invasion_of_Holland

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>>69487070
You better not mess with America's 3 trillion a year investment. :^)

>>69471278
>germany is less relevant than uk

objectivity/10 map

>>69486457
We rely on the balance of power of Europe. If Germany, France or the UK would occupy the Benelux then they would become the dominant power in Europe with 29 million extra rich people. So there is no way you would allow that to happen. This has always been the case.

Imagine if the UK would suddenly have our ports, the biggest gas field of Europe and 94 million people. You'd be the most important cunt in Europe.

>>69487985
Relying on others to fight over your country is condemning your country to be a battlefield forever.

>>69484742
>and?
It means we don't depend on the currency for exporting. Germany's exporting prowess has survived the gold standard, the Bretton Woods system, the European Monetary System, the European Exchange Rate Mechanism and apart from short rebound phases even two world wars. It will also survive the Euro.

All those posts and no one realizing how strategic Romania's position on the map is.

>>69471418
no

>>69472429
yes

>>69473575
i liek bestonia

>>69488779
So how Romania is important? Gypsies? Refugees?

>>69471278
Russia has been successfully arguing with whole so-called free world for ages. I`d surprised if it wasn`t marked blue color. It just goes to show we are as strong as hell.

>>69486457
>a NATO country invading another NATO country
>a country with no nukes invading a country with nukes
>an exporting country invading one of its largest trading partners
>a country which has huge military cooperation up to the highest level with another country invading said country

It's an idiotic scenario and you know it. I could argue the same for Britain that is unable to counter a full on nuclear strike by Russia.

>>69490327
NATO won't last forever, son. Trade has never been a barrier to war when shit hits the fan. Allies can stop being allies.

All of it changes. The only eternal constant is the struggle... the struggle for POWER

>>69490571
This. All of these cucked midget countries swearing in the name of NATO... They are completely fucked.

>>69490825
We're in one of the safest spots of Europe. Protected on all sides. Unlike Finland.

>>69491025
Thank doge Finland is not in NATO.

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>>69479215
>>69486360
>>69486594
Forgetting the enterpreteural nature of the dutch people costed portugal its relevance on the world stage;
forgetting the combative nature of the dutch people costed spain its relevance on the world stage.
If only you had any relevance left to lose, you could be the next, but alas...

>>69490825
>cucked midget countries

In a nutshell, the true cancer that is killing Europe.

Bring back the Austrian Empire. Bring back the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. Bring back the HRE.

That would solve so many of our problems.

>>69491025
Are you talking about the russia thread? It doesnt exist. We have one of the few european armies russia can take seriously, they cant pull ukraines against finland and that would put russia bankrupt

>>69491268
*russian threat

>>69473872
yeah, i would paint luxembourg and moldova pink though

>>69491222
Ah I see, it's a Jewdox player sperging out. If you cant understand why these countries ceased to exist, you dont deserve to see them return.

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>>69491222
>Great Britain and Ireland

>>69490571
Doubt we will see it in our lifetime. By the time NATO has disbanded, tanks are probably obsolete anyway and it's all drones and unmanned ground vehicles. We'll see how the roles are then. Thinking tanks are a solid measurement of military strength is quite simplistic anyway. Being in a defensive role, tanks are quite easily countered with mines and ATGMs.

>>69490825
As if Finland would last longer than a week against a full scale Russian invasion
As if Finland doesn't count on (NATO) allies to counter any possible Russian aggression
As if forced conscription isn't the ultimate form of cuckery

>>69471278
Accurate, but germany should be very relevant, just because of how much power they have over EU

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>Implying globalism is good

>>69491498
>full scale russian invasion
That will never happen. Besides the finnish defence tactic is guerrilla warfare and destroying as many machines etc they have. Russia cannot attack finland, they would destroy their economy and lose so many soldiers if they did and they couldnt recover for long time if they succesfully invaded finland

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>>69491498
When this guy becomes our Fuhrer, the games will be over for bullies.

>>69491777
But then you must see why smaller countries who don't border Russia are not arming themselves to the teeth

>>69471278
fucking hell on a map of relevancy and we aren't even on it

>>69491410
>>69491410
>Ah I see, it's a Jewdox player sperging out. If you cant understand why these countries ceased to exist, you dont deserve to see them return.

I know why they ceased to exist but the world has changed since then. Tiny nation states are too weak.

>>69491888
I loved the sjw butthurt about him bringing flowers to "nazi officer's" grave, your 88 get proves he'll be our next fuhrer

>>69492010
They arent arming themselves to their teeth because even if they did they couldnt stand a chance because they could get like 50k soldiers

>>69492164
Who are you talking about?
Stand a chance against what?
You don't consider 50k professional soldiers a lot? Who have far more training and and actual combat experience in comparison to conscripts?

>>69492679
I read wrong I dont even know how that happened, nevermind. I somehow read it as "smaller countries bordering russia"

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>>69491888
Oh shit it's him

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>Northern Ireland
>Very relevant

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Corrected and removed non European countries from map

>>69497822
Piss off, Kafka

>>69471278
How about you start with defining what exactly do you mean by relevance?
Current economical and/or military power?
Historical and political achievements?
Folklore and cuisine?
Colonisation and pop-culture?
Specify, please.

>>69473635
>I don't want to have to rely on Canada

Not like you haven't done it before, dickhead.

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>>69485058
Here ya go.

>>69471278
Do you seriously believe that UK is more relevant than Germany? Lol

>>69499236
Most Brits think the year is 1870.

>>69471278
Portugal is historically quite important, same with Greece. Germany should be blue too
Otherwise good map

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>>69499236
>>69499360

>>69499360
yeah, I think this kind of thinking is what lead to Brexit

>>69480898
In euskera "independence" is said "askatasuna"...

And i'm not even basque

>>69480898
edgy

LIVE

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>>69471278
Not relevant huh'?

Fine with me motherfucka'

>>69499481
Either that, or that they put more into the EU than they actually benefited from.

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>>69471278
Good thread.

>>69471493

t. Nigel Ben-Deluded al-butthurtiya

Your PM speaks and literally nobody gives a shit, the German Chancellor speaks and everyone's listening.

You might as well add Best Korea and Pakistan into the blue-tier relevant list, since they both got nukes too and a gazillion men military.

>>69506341
>the German Chancellor speaks and everyone's listening.

They're eager to see what she's going to do next to fuck up Europe.

Imho the UK, France and Germany are equally relevant
No offence cuties

>>69506341
>Your PM speaks and literally nobody gives a shit,

Hmmm. Seems legit.

>>69473872
Friendly map :-)

>>69506646
Thanks Russia

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>>69471278
>that one British sperglord who makes coloring maps, measuring relevance based solely off each European nation's military power