Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1781

>tfw your post could have been first but you have to wait 30 seconds before posting because you don't have a 4chan pass
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLJHwLcXOts

>>69097209
everything went better than expectingds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALPhA1xsRRw

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>>69097272
Third time's a charm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdAgGmsZ3-I

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私はフェリスにキスしたい

>>69097209
DJT on /int/ is pretty slow because all the weebs are on /jp/

>>69097325
I suppose, I actually tried going to /jp/ once before I found this thread here on /int/ and it was shit, SHIT! I hid literally every thread on all pages except for the /jp/ DJT but even that was gay as fuck.

おまんこペロペロ

>>69097628
boards.4chan.org/jp/#s=djt
boards.4chan.org/int/#s=djt

Both boards are shit, this is how I make it so I don't have to sift through all that garbage.

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>>69097304
REM is the Best

Is there a kanji dictionary that shows development of specific kanji characters?

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>>69098169

クルシュは最高の女の子です

>>69098209
I think so

>>69098291
"please feed me hamburgers"

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>>69098542

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>input random kanji from anki to spotify to find new music
>literally Jackie Chan every time
kek
Well, I may have discovered a new way to remember kanji through at least, just affiliate it with whatever song pops up when you search it by making up a story to go with the song.

>>69098732
Thanks, but do you think there is one on internet?
Amazon shipping to Sweden costs about same as flying to Japan.

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>>69098209
字源(角川書店)
など代表的な漢和辞典なら
全て該当する
https://www.amazon.co.jp/角川-新字源-小川-環樹/dp/4040108043
>>69098230
やはりレムの勝ち

>>69098949

レムは昏睡状態にある

>>69098984
(´;ω;`)

>>69098864
http://japanknowledge.com/articles/kanji/column_jitsu_01.html

https://okjiten.jp/sp/16-syoukeimoji.html

>>69099186
Thanks bror, sadly not too many are available there.
Is there a name for this type of kanji "etymology" in Japanese?

>>69099446
Are you saying "甲骨文字" or "象形文字"?

Sorry I'm not good at English so well

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>>69097304

>>69099691
I don't speak Japanese at all myself, I only have about 150 learnt cards in Anki.

I meant is there a name for the way that kanji development is researched?
Like in English if you consider the origins of a word and how it has evolved you call that "etymology".

Etymology of Swedish word "Helvete":
From Old Norse helvíti, from hel (itself from Proto-Germanic *haljō, ultimately from Proto-Indo-European *ḱel- (“to cover, hide, conceal”)) + víti.
In old Norse mythology, the god Loke had a daughter called Hel, who ruled the death realm, Niefelheim.
Helvete is a combination of her name and the Old Norse word víti, meaning "punishment".
Helvete thus means, the punishment of Hel.

Not sure if I'm explaining in a good way but yeah that's about it.

Can I choose to hide the english on core2k so I can practice the example sentences?

>>69100074
Yes

>>69099910
Hmm... I think that is chinese rather than japanese.

>>69100093
Sorry I don't see where, can I also get a repeat audio button?

I was telling a friend about Anki, but he uses an iPhone. Is there a free solution to using it or should he just use something else like Memrise?

>>69100275
If he's serious about language learning then the cost of anki for an iphone is trivial. Seriously. It's really important.

>>69099691
>>69100097
彼の知りたい言葉は語源、たぶん

>>69100275
I have a premium account on Memrise as I've used it for Serbo-Croatian, but I'm only using Anki for kanji.
It would probably work fine but it's less customizable and I can imagine the courses are shit there, maybe if he can figure out a way to import Core 2k/6k (or if it's already available) it would be good.

One thing I like about Anki is that the SRS is more adaptable to how you're actually doing, rather than how the software thinks you're doing.

How much is Anki on iPhone?

>>69100387
ありがとう
漢字の語源=中国語の語源だから
難しいなぁ
まず漢字のそれぞれに語源があるのかも分からないなぁ

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>>69099910
I'll tell you scary some origins of the kanjis
Do you know the origin of 道?
道=辶+首
辶(辵) means crossroad
首 means head as you know

They hung a freshly-severed head due to exorcise demons and evil sprits on the road which spread out outside of the fort city in ancient China.
That is the origin of 道

Do you know the origin of 民
And other Kanjis

>>69100432
£19. Thanks for the info, I will pass it on.

>>69100322
I actually agree, I'm constantly surprised by how solid my Kanji recognition is, and Anki is a huge part of that. However I am apprehensive about encouraging him to do it when he might struggle too much and quit.

>>69100855
kek
do you know the origin of 民?
Your knowledge is like borrowed plumes come off broken soon

>>69100141
Read the manual bro, it's just changing your card template so shouldn't take you too long to figure out.

http://ankisrs.net/docs/manual.html
They even have a nice video guide on how to do it.

>>69098209
>>69099910
Wiktionary covers a good amount of them, specially the ones that derived from chink.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/無

>>69099768

What does it say?

Did anyone ever bother with audio lessons? Can't find anything about them in the guide.

Are there any good ones?

What the point of this thread of we already have japanese thread?

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>>69097124
I've been for some weaks learning radicals, but i keep forgetting them and wikipedia gives me different names to the ones in the deck. I want to drop it and jump directly to kanji deck. What do you think djt ?

>>69103063
Just learn radicals with Kanji. The more Kanji you see, the more cemented the radicals will become.

こんばんはー

>gee, should I do the obvious thing? what do you think?
>do it faggot
>ok
every djt question ever

>>69103383
Yeah, people just want to be told they are doing the right thing.

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>>69103155
I should learn radicals as i go with kanji, or avoid them and implicitly be used to them while learning kanji?

>>69103647
I learn radicals with Kanji, because I like mnemonics. Eventually the radicals become as natural as Kana because of how much you see them. It's up to you whether you want to use mnemonics or just try and internalise them by sheer grinding.

>>69103647
Why do people study radicals?
I'm new aswell and while I've seen people studying them I don't really understand why, do they help a lot with interpreting/remembering meaning?

Like in 聞く I guess the gate and ear radicals are useful for remembering it means "to hear/to ask" but most radicals don't seem to have meanings, or they have irrelevant meanings.

>>69103647
It's like this, do you want to do some warm-up before you climb the staircase, then climb it one stair at a time? Or do you want to take the staircase head on, doing 3 steps at a time?

Either way you're going to reach the top if you stick with it. It's just one is a slower to start, easier path.

>>69103854
It was really helpful for me early on to distinguish similar looking kanji, such as 持 and 待
Some of them do depict the readings of the kanji as well.

>>69103854
I think radicals are great for easily understanding new typefaces.

>>69103854
Basically 95% of the kanji you'll encounter are different combinations of radicals.

It makes it easier to understand that 待 is different than 持 is different than 時 because you're already familiar with the shape and meaning. Often it's a small difference between otherwise similar looking kanji.

>>69103977
>>69103988
>>69104011
How would you recommend studying?

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>>69103797
I see, thanks for sharing your experience. Is it really needed to remember the names? or just to be famirialized with the looks?
>>69103854
The djt guide suggest it. I'm afraid to eat more than i can digest.
>>69103889
That's a good analogy

>>69101507
ありがとう、見なかった

>>69103063
>>69103155
I have this problem as well, always finding different meanings for radicals, I can recognize them but from book to book and site to site they seem to vary.

>>69103383
>do thing
>hey /djt/ I've been doing thing
>lol why are wasting time with that?

>>69103854
>特
When I learned that cow and temple combine to make special, that's when I really started to have fun with Japanese.

>>69103063
I think learning radicals alone is stupid and almost completely useless.

>>69104135
Because of my mnemonics, I choose a personal name for each radical based off the ones online.

Take 沈む for instance. I see the water and crooked big radicals. So the mnemonic is 'a big disabled person sinking, shi/she would be safer in a zu/zoo.'

I assume other just become familiar with their looks though.

>>69103063
Learn 1nen kanji (about 80) - most of them are radicals, but also kanji, so it's win-win. Pay attention to stroke order!

When you start your kanji deck after knowing these, you will already be used to the concept and have little trouble mentally dividing a kanji in parts and guessing its stroke order.

>>69102506
I have downloaded all audios from 50languages.com , without the textbook, just for passive listening. (English-Japanese version, as the purely Japanese would be just gibberish).

I did it with French back then and it helped me to get a good base on the language, but since I don't go out anymore - thus not using mp3 players -, I don't have the opportunity to passively listen to the Japanese lessons.

Might work for you, though.

>>69104532
>50languages.com
You have to put a www else it won't work.

What are your favourite mnemonics?
I'm only beginning to learn the kanji so I don't have too many.

When I first saw 夜 I thought the right radical looked like 女 with something inside, so my mnemonic was "Night is when women get their holes stuffed"

I was disappointed when I learnt it's actually 夕

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How do you manage to memorize all the new characters? i'm just starting

>>69102506
Most are pretty garbage because you spend 90% of the time listening to English. Nihongonomori are the only decent ones I know of. Maybe the advanced japanesepod lessons but that probably requires you to be somewhere in N3-N2 listening.

>>69104888
Stop namefagging and maybe I'll tell you

>>69104644
Haha, I enjoy coming up with mnemonics as it helps keep new Kanji learning fun even when I'm tired after uni.

Had a quick skim of my mnemonics and I like 株 where 'kabu/capitalist cow climbs the trees of wall st,' and 従 where 'germans opened their heads to hitler and followed him against juu/jews.'

I can't think of any lewd ones right now, except for maybe 脱 involving big brother getting nude.

>>69104888
Learning the Kana (I learnt the hiragana followed by the katakana equivalent at the same time) took fucking ages.
One day I'd learn 10 new ones, the next 3 days I'd only learn 5 due to laziness and lack of motivation.

As soon as I started learning kanji I've been learning 20 per day with comfyness because I'm actually interested in the kanji, though that's only been about 8 days or so.

I recommend the "Kana Town" app on Android if you have an Android phone.
At first I did like you and cared a lot about being able to write them out properly with decent handwriting, but it got tedious after the first two weeks of struggling so I just learnt to recognize them instead.

>>69102506
I'm new in these threads so I'm not sure what you guys are hostile too yet but I've started both German and Japanese with Pimsuleur.

30 minute lessons, listen and repeat, go for a nice walk or something. 90 lessons total. Gives you good conversational starting but you learn no spelling or grammar.

Good for feeling out how a language sounds.

>>69105158
kek

To be honest I'm not used to making mnemonics, I've always just done repetitions endlessly, but I'm starting to realize that it's better to spend some time trying to figure out a decent mnemonic.

I've actually been to a seminar by Jonas von Essen (Swede who recited 13 208 numerals of Pi in correct order) where talked about it, he didn't say anything that was new to me as I had already researched a lot about memorization but his interactions with us in the audience helped me realize that it's actually very effective.

Do you have tips on coming up with mnemonics in cases where the pronunciation doesn't really match anything in your language?

>>69104888
Just write them a few times, when you start with anki you will see them houndreds of times a day.
While doing anki i write them down a few times, so that i can remember the stroke order, then i write the hiragana that form the kanji and then comes the translation.

>>69105332
>anki
hmm.. what does it mean?

>>69105642
Ctrl + F "Anki"

>>69104644
Here are the ones that helped me most, maybe someone will find them useful. And I'll continue your being rude to women theme.
百 is 100 sideways.
朝 car pushing the moon away = morning.
安 woman chained to wall -> cheap.
要 woman needs the money above her (I know that radical has nothing to do with money).
忘 is 思 with the head open.
終 has 冬 in it, so when I see 終 it creates a strong image of cold, snow and darkness associated with "the end".
走 is 足 with a plus.
教 looks like a woman smacking a child on the head (the radical on the right is not woman but that's what it looks like).

>>69105283
It can be tough on a day where 20-30 new words have like 20 new Kanji and some of them might be theoretical terms all with a similar meaning. Sometimes I get lazy when I'm too tired, but even a lazy, half-assed mnemonic sticks well for me. I find using a thesaurus helps if you really struggle. Also I gave several radicals 2 names to make them simpler.

I also didn't use them at all until about 500 words in when my retention was struggling with similar looking Kanji and similar meanings. The difference they made was huge, after a year I have 97% for young words and 99% for mature.

I also find it satisfying that over time I have internalised them to the degree that the readings and meanings instantly come to mind without even thinking about how.

>>69105851
>百 is 100 sideways.
noice, thanks, I'm actually struggling with the numerals
>安 woman chained to wall -> cheap.
Mine for this character was something about women in brothels being cheap.

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>>69105851
>百 is 100 sideways.

Wish it was harder to remember so I could actually use that.

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>>69105642
>he didn't read the /djt/ guide.

>>69106087
>Mine for this character was something about women in brothels being cheap.
安心(anshin) is peace of mind. I remembered it by seeing a women safe under a roof with a heart. Kind of like happy wife happy life, peace of mind.

Also, 好, kids are for women to deal with, I "like" that.

>>69106111
oh god i'm so fucking ashamed, i thought learning the symbols will be necesary before everything else, let me see.

>>69106310
For 好き I went with "Women like kids" or something

For 多分 I use "If you see 多 there's a chance it's probably たぶん" since I struggle with ta vs oo

>>69106414
Learning Kana is basically step 1, but you should read the guide anyway or at least read the Wikipedia articles about the language in general.

>>69106018
That's a pretty good rate, I've been struggling as fuck with +1 hour long sessions for ~80 cards because I haven't put any effort into mnemonics.
This session I started seriously using them and it's helping a lot, which is nice because I had 132 Due and 20 New because I neglected Anki during Christmas celebrations and last night.

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>>69104644
鋭 - radical on the right is a front view of an erect (sharp) ejaculating dick
鈍 - radical on the right is a top view of a flaccid (dull) dick and a pair of balls

>>69106842
Are all your mnemonics about dicks?

Cause I wanna hear more

>>69106842
kek

>>69107000
unfortunately i think these are the only mnemonics i've made up so far
my brain always read 鋭い and 鈍い as にぶい whenever i came across them so i had to make something up

体 = A man's (book) diary is his body
天気 = The weather reflects the mood of the heavens
閉まる = Shi-shi-shi-shi-SHIT gate's closed
足 = 口 + 止 = Moe! Stop or I'll shove my Ashi-an foot in your mouth, aniki~

rate

>>69106842
the left part also looks like an erect dick with pubes.

>>69105851
>朝 car pushing the moon away = morning.
pretty good now that I look at it again

I reinterpreted it as being Helios's chariot carrying the sun after the moon

Why do I keep saying "Kyoka" instead of "Kyo" for "Today" ?
I can't even find a remotely similar meaning for Kyoka in Jisho, but I'm sure I've heard "Kyoka" meaning "Today".

For those who hate Romaji:
きょか
きょう

>card with 授業
>"Hmm I know the 2nd character is ぎょう like from じゅぎょう"
>"k I don't know what this card is, let's see the answer"

>>69108248
Because day counters end in -ka and use the sun kanji.

>>69108248
Also that's not proper romanization, since you've omitted the -u prolongation of the kyou part.

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>>69108501
hell I used to read 大人 and 大切 as だいじん and たいき on more than one occasion among other retarded mistakes like those, but it's just like the memes say

もっと読め、練習によるいつか暗記する

Been studying for about 2 years now but mostly inefficiently and randomly. I'm not really sure of my level.

I started the core2k last night and I'm about 100 words in and I knew them all already, should I stop or does it get better?

>>69109698
oh wow you know 100 words after 2 years? award yourself with a cookie. you already know japanese!

>>69109743
You know what I mean.

Does it get harder than moon, tree and Monday?

Doing anki reps and suddenly I got a message saying "card was a leech, it has been suspended" What does this mean?

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>>69109870

>>69109941
Thank you, I was trying to figure out how to do that.

Quite farther along it gets better but I can at least do it for review.

>>69109870
Do 50, 100 new words a day until you start getting more than 10% wrong on your reviews. That's the sweetspot where you can acommodate back into 20 new cards a day.

>>69109918
It means you should read Anki's documentation.
Be sure to deactivate card burying, that shit is for fags.

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>>69102506
A few hours old but for anyone else interested in audio lesson stuff, the resource guide links to pic related. It's a huge rip of the lessons from jpod101, lesson folders come with their own pdf transcripts for each mp3 lesson file, containing used vocabulary, grammar points, etc. If audio lessons are what you are after, jpod101 has a good structured set up.
They have their free or cheap or whatever trial period you can get into but to be honest it's not really worth it when the CoR already has a few gigs worth of lessons from every level ripped for you.

>>69108740
Thanks, I read that once but couldn't remember it for hui.

>>69108776
I realized after posting

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Hey DJT I got a question, did anyone here ever go into full nipponese learning mode for 2-3 months?

Like learning Japanese full time every day for 2-3 months?
Is it worth it opposed to only doing 2-3 hours a day? (I guess there is a limit as to how much you can learn per day)

The thing is I'll quit my job soon and I don't know whether to quit now and learn Japanese or keep working until I go back to school next year.
I can save around 2000europs a month if I keep working but Japanese is my top priority right now.

>>69112030
I learned 100 words and 20-30 kanji a day while I was unemployed

>>69112114
Did you read as well?
Cause I don't want big numbers in anki, I want to be better at reading and listening, which is a problem if I only do that after work when I'm tired and only have around 1h left after doing my reps.

>>69112030
Sure for reading/listening and it's pretty good. But if you aren't at the level where you can read all day then there isn't too much point in studying beyond 4 hours or so imo.

>>69112114
How do you learn words without learning kanji?

>>69112368
Well fuck, I just started reading and have a hard time reading anything.
That's exactly why I want to improve as fast as possible now that I can comfortably read and get better afterwards.

>>69111202
that's convenient i'm gonna download all the advanced lessons and maybe listen to them at some point. Might be easier as listening practice than drama since it requires less attention

>>69112652
I mean, reading all day every day would definitely make you improve a lot, it just takes a lot of patience compared to doing it when you're a bit better. I'd recommend something like
-up to 1 hour of Core
-around 1 hour of subs2srs
(the above might take like 3 hours to actually complete)
-try watching any anime/drama that you've completed subs2srs for
-Finish Tae Kim if you haven't
Then try to spend the rest of the time just reading with a text hooker. If you get too tired just go listen to some jap music or something.

Are premade decks good? I have a mining deck but I feel like I might be better served by learning jlpt4 and 5 as a base. Will I get burned out if I do two decks?

>>69112633
月日
月
日
3 words, 2 kanjis.
At that moment, Hannes' brain exploded.

>>69112030
>>69112652
Don't go full retard like that AJATT guy who just watches DBZ on max volume all day. Take notes, vary your input and output methods, get a nip to talk to if you can, if not, follow some nip streamers so you can watch and interact with them.

If you keep switching between flashcards, taking notes about grammar, reading, writing and watching stuff, you can spend the whole day immersed and somewhat learning.

You will need to change not only your habits, but the place where you live. Start hanging stuff on the wall, useful notes everywhere. Put a sticker with the kanji/word for every object in your house, make each drawer of your kitchen a different verb tense, do you grocery list in Japanese and skip buying the items you can't remember how to read.
Don't forget to talk to yourself as you do anything, in Japanese. Note down whatever you weren't able to express for further study.

Your life starting now will be a game. Good luck.

>>69113143
>
You will need to change not only your habits, but the place where you live. Start hanging stuff on the wall, useful notes everywhere. Put a sticker with the kanji/word for every object in your house, make each drawer of your kitchen a different verb tense, do you grocery list in Japanese and skip buying the items you can't remember how to read.

Gimmicks like that are pretty worthless desu

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>>69112227
No, I don't like reading that much.

You can only spend hours a day on something that you're addicted to. From >>69112652 it doesn't sound like you're even intermediate level yet, so I don't think anything you do for hours will be very enjoyable, or efficient from a studying perspective.

In my view there is an absolute bare minimum of vocab (about 10k) and grammar (all of it) needed to be able to read/listen to anything while still having some semblance of fun, so maybe you should just focus on reaching that level for now.

>>69112633
You're asking the wrong person, my kanji learning pace far outstripped my vocabulary. I reached 4k kanji way sooner than 25k vocab, all words I currently learn contain kanji I know.

>>69113523
>99 columns instead of 50
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>69113474
For long exposure, maybe. But he's going for tight regime, and more laidback hours can be spent doing stuff like this. If he's bombarding himself with compelling content 24/7 he'll be begging to go back to work in a week.

>>69113523
>In my view there is an absolute bare minimum of vocab (about 10k) and grammar (all of it) needed to be able to read/listen to anything while still having some semblance of fun,

Naw, that's way high. I started to read at about 1k vocab and only the grammar that's in tae kim, and while I had some trouble, it was still pretty fun. At least far more so than any other kind of studying I could think of. I don't regret starting that early at all.

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>>69107470

I can help you with Ashi.

I'm surprised it came up because I made this a while ago.

>>69113523
I bet you can't read for shit.

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>スウェーデンのどこに住んでるの
What did he mean by this?

>>69114925
what don't you understand?

>>69114962
I'm only at 150 cards in Anki Core 6k, Ole-Ivar
I'm assuming he's saying "You live in Sweden?"

>>69115049
He's asking where in sweden you live

スウェーデン sweden
の
どこ where
に
住んでる -> 住んでいる living
の

-> where in sweden are (you) living?

>仲人 is read as なこうど

I sure do love arbitrary readings of common kanji

>>69114925
Incidentally, おはこんばんわ is a slang that is mixed おはよう and こんばんわ.

>>69114827
It kinda depends how you're reading. Texthookers increase fun. Mining all words decreases fun. Having to look up kanji by drawing them or radical search greatly decreases fun.

>>69113523
>learning kanji out of context

>>69115185
Funny because that's a word I guessed the reading of the first time I saw it.

>>69115149
(人''▽｀)ありがとう Norge-kun

>>69115419
didn't he mean the pronunciation

>>69115289
intredasting

>>69115492
>(人''▽｀)
絵文字が意味不明

>>69115492
>didn't he mean the pronunciation
same thing?

>>69115551
I don't know either, it came with the IME

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>>69097124
GA 芸術科アートデザインクラス
1~7. Image quality is quite good for digital (4~7).

https://mega.nz/#F!wE4lzZDJ!HJzU87OZ4dzVTXJ_rLKnbg

>>69112030
No I don't want to burn out

>>69117143
アラレちゃんは「おはこんばんちは」だぞ
and you should explain it in English, this is DJT

>>69114827
>to be able to read/listen to anything
the key word being "anything." There are tons of things you could enjoy with much less required, but some things will remain out of your depth >>69115330 is also right.

>>69115330
>out of context
applies to about 500 kanji there that I acquired during a phase where I was infatuated with the idea of taking kanken (which I now view as a waste of time)

Another 500 or so are just variant forms that took negligible time to learn. And another 500 probably come from birds/plants/insects/fish that I threw in for variety and challenge. I don't see them needing any context.

The remaining 3500 are kanji that come from words I've encountered in the wild, in context. My numbers might off give or take a hundred but I think that's the approximate breakdown of everything there.

Maybe my earlier post gave the impression that I don't read at all, but I obviously do (or at least have to). What I meant was that I don't read out of enjoyment, which can said for my english as well. I haven't read anything longer than an essay since high school and I've certainly never touched a fucking /co/mic.

>>69117810
Can you tell me about your kanji acquiring process?

Do you get them from mining or from lists?
If from lists, how do you choose which words are more worthy of making cards than others?

>>69117810
Seriously though if you don't read for enjoyment why would you have near 3500 kanji from reading. I got something like 3400 after reading most of the hard VNs and reading plenty for enjoyment. These days I just occasionally watch anime. But if I hadn't enjoyed reading VNs I would have switched to anime way sooner.

>>69112030
I don't know what's cuter, if she knows what her shirt says or she doesn't.

>>69113523
>>69118456
Those are impressive numbers. How long have you been at it, if I may ask?

>>69117810
What's the point of learning Japanese if you don't like to read? Do you like watching anime at least?

How do I use the DoJT deck?

>>69120732
1. Delete it
2. Go read actual Japanese

>>69117143
You might need some new pictures.

>>69119738
Maybe he likes to write?

It was my initial interest, writing a bunch of new characters.

>>69120925
Some slut with ugly sacks of fat

>>69121070
any non-faggots want to comment?

>>69105851
but the left side of 朝 isn't a car. Look closer.

>>69120732
Read through the entries in full the first time you review them then use subsequent reviews as a memory refresher. If you are using the cloze cards, use the subsequent reviews to guess the correct concept and fail the card if you don't. That's probably the most straight forward way I can think of using it.

>>69120816
Why would using an Anki deck stop someone from reading "actual Japanese"?

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Can you imagine someone being golf addicted?

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Explain yourselves, weebs!

Anyone else having problems with both Rikaisama and Rikaichan no activating in Firefox 51?

>>69122548
Watch Everybody loves Raymond

>>69122648
This wasn't funny earlier and it's not funny now
消えろ

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Anyone have a site that streams tv?
I the old one that was generally known seems dead

朝マラの立たぬ男に金貸すな

下品なダジャレをインスピした

マラが止まらない

>>69121559
because some people aren't NEETs and have limited time to study

When things have alliteration in Japanese I feel like an idiot when I say them.

人々、少々、Fuck you.

Subscribe to my blog, anytime.

>>69125823
ぐずぐずしてんじゃねえええぇぇ

>>69118712
She obviously doesn't. Ai-chan is pure.

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>Doing core6K
>the kanji for 4, 7 and 9 have two separate cards each; but they mean the same thing
Why?
I get that one is the onyomi, and the other is the kunyomi, but why are they taught separately if the onyomi tend to only occur in jukugo like し in 4月?
Similar but slightly different is 円. Yeah it means Yen and Circle, but why have two cards? Just have two example sentences and two definitions; it makes me feel bad when 九 pops up and I read it きゅう because that's the default, then I fail the card because it's actually く apropos of nothing.

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>>69127320
あいは一部で有名

>>69128520
If that makes you mad, you're in for a treat inside core6k.
柄
札
開く
埋める
額
頭
頬

off the top of my head. Last one is especially unamusing

>>69125377
Yes, that's why using Anki is even more suitable as it is designed for maintaining facts with the least amount of time spent reviewing.
On another note, who are talking to? Those with such "limited" study time wouldn't be pissing it away on 4chan, would they? Where do you fit into this equation? With your critical comments about limited time while being on 4chan yet apparently not having enough time to properly punctuation your sentences, it sends a rather confusing message.

>>69128520
Could always utilise a field for notes.
Place the note on the front of the card somewhere with something distinguishing. For 九 you could have a note about "not ク" or "not キュウ", "1 kana" or "2 kana", "音読み" or "訓読み"- shit like that for different words with the same kanji where it applies.
>Yeah it means Yen and Circle, but why have two cards? Just have two example sentences and two definitions
The Core data was manipulated to fit a static Anki deck, which has changed over time. It was originally closer to how it was presented on the Smart.fm website in one aspect, having the sentence on the front with the vocabulary word bolded in the front of the sentence. It also had a version with the sentence out the front and a close deletion where the word fell in the sentence, with the definition above. As these earlier approaches fell out of general favour such ambiguities and redundancy inevitably crept into the format.
Try not to worry too much about why Core, in this example, is a certain way and instead if something bothers you, take advantage of Anki and change it. It's rather difficult to try and create a general purpose Anki deck and please the individual users at the same time, you know? You're honestly a lot better off making little tweaks here and there; personalise your study.

>>69128520
Because they are separate words, that just happen to be spelt the same, that's why you learn them separately. If reviewing them bothers you can do what I do- when you get to a word where there's no way of telling what the reading and/or meaning will be, close your eyes, press space and listen to the example sentence and see if you can understand what they are saying.

>>69128520
>>69129229
Or just say both readings.

If you answer with both answers you can't be wrong. If you answer with only one answer and picked the wrong one, you got it wrong.

As for listening to the sentence first - might as well fail that card right there. It's pretty much cheating.

>>69129309
>>69129195
>>69128797
>Or just say both readings.
I might start doing this.
Been burned a couple of times, and I'm sick of potentially easy cards tanking my stats.

Also it's nice to know this is going to continue being an issue. Fucking homonyms.
Thanks.

>>69129309
Some of them have a lot more than two which would be a hassle, and actually you shouldn't really be associating them all together. For example, if I write the word "live", are you reading it both ways in your head one after the other when you get to it? No, that would be stupid. It's the context which tells your brain which one to remember without any conscious effort, so it should not even occur to you at that moment that there is another reading or meaning unless there is some ambiguity or special relevance.
There is no "cheating" in anki. You either remember or you don't. What you should be more careful about is *what* you remember, because that's a bit harder to fix if you get it wrong.

>>69130045
>Some of them have a lot more than two which would be a hassle, and actually you shouldn't really be associating them all together.
Then list them all off. It only takes an extra second or two.

>For example, if I write the word "live", are you reading it both ways in your head one after the other when you get to it?
If it was on the front of a flash card, yes. Yes I am. The context given on the back of the card decides what one was correct.

>It's the context which tells your brain which one to remember without any conscious effort, so it should not even occur to you at that moment that there is another reading or meaning unless there is some ambiguity or special relevance.
There's no context on the front of the card. It's Schrödinger's card at that point, which means at that point in time the only correct answer is both.

>There is no "cheating" in anki. You either remember or you don't.
Getting the example sentence audio/text completely destroys the integrity of the card. There are plenty of cards I've failed where a glimpse/listen of the example sentence would turn that 「Again」 into a 「Good」.

>>69130313
If you want to treat anki as some kind of parlor game that attitude is fine, but to me it is a means to an end, and that end is reading or listening to real content. That means card integrity by itself doesn't matter to me at all, it only matters to the extent to which it indicates my ability to understand an actual text, and that indication is necessarily quite vague. So I tend not to worry too much if a card is in that "danger zone"- if it drops out of my head by the time of the next review I'll certainty know about it and if it doesn't then the magic of spaced repetition might even give it an extra boost which it wouldn't have had otherwise.

>>69130313
If you see a word in isolation which can be read in multiple ways, like on a T-shirt or something, the natural reaction is to make a guess, and then maybe modify that guess if the context develops further. It's not normal to go through each possible reading one by one, unless you're playing some sort of word game.

>>69122828
Well incase anyone else is having the problem the issue its e10s. If you disable it Rikaisama and Rikaichan work properly again

>initally study Anki with Yu Gothic font
>change to KanjiStrokeOrders font which has a more handwritten appearance
>struggle to recognize a few characters

still easier than reading latin cursive I suppose

How come you guys haven't gone back to /a/ yet? You do know the mod got fired right?

>>69134777
because anime is for homos

>>69134777
The mod that got fired wasn't the one who banned the thread.

>>69134777
I always hated /a/ to be honest and only went there for DJT.

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>>69134777
3D is better than anime.

Does the coke 6k deck have katakana words in it?

>>69137003
>coke 6k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ny43zFochi8

Use "Browse" I guess
I'm guessing it focuses on native Japanese and Sino-Japanese words though

誰かASMRをお勧めませんか?

>>69138258
ASMR is softcore prostitution, and I want nothing to do with whores.

>>69139760
Are you sure?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1k2Rxy3fgS0

is there an addon for looking up kanji directly in anki?

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今日はうんこをしてた後でコーヒーを飲んだりタバコを吸ったり、またうんこをするようになってしまった
この時の顔

>>69141901
You really went for full immersion, huh. Hope there's a post-it on the toilet with 水洗 written on it.

>>69141843
You can add Jisho links in the card layouts, though I personally don't know how to.

>>69141901
>You took a shit, drank coffee and smoked and another shit is coming?
>This time is face?

Am I close?

How do I get Rikaisama back to default?
it's not showing definitions no matter how much I press D

>>69138258
はとむぎのASMRは可愛いです。
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYFenlVzWfI

>>69142850
contentwise pretty much

I'm not sure what's the most appropriate phrase for "the face when"

>>69097124
>へっ...いついぇっ滅相もねぇ
What the いついぇっ?

勉強する時は何をきく?

>>69143156
I though you were going to facetime someone or something.

>>69104888
Get Remembering the kana by Heisig. You can learn Hiragana and Katakana within a few days.

>>69143309
why would you need a book for hiragana and katakana
it's just some scribble, any kid with some wax crayons and paper can do it

>>69143443
learning with crayons and paper is less effective

>>69143771
you just draw the shit until you remember, it's not rocket science

>>69143771
>color code columns

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Just found some records of my great gpa when he was in an internment camp. Can some1 translate?

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>>69143867
This is just the bottom half.

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>>69143904
Top half, what camp?

>>69143840
different people learn in different ways anon

>>69143904
>>69143991
Maybe you should honor your ancestors and learn their fucking language.

Or maybe you could at least pretend to care and read a few minutes about how to find kanjis in dictionaries.

>>69144754
>ancestors
>japanese
Just fucking no.

>>69144754
He's not Japanese, he's the grandson of a POW who got gulag'd by Japs.

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>>69143867
>>69143904
>>69143991

>>69143867
>>69143904
>>69143991
you should ask this in the japanese thread when actual Elevens are there

I can't read this for shit 2bh and I don't want to look it up

>>69143161
いっいえっ?
The one stutters いえ.

>>69145674
Hey, whats this say>>69143991
>>69143904
>>69143867

>>69145963
It's hard to read but it says something about the feeling of receiving the enjoyment internally.

>>69143867
>>69143904
>>69143991

昭和18年 月 日、泰俘虜収容所第2分所へ移管する。
1943, he was transferred to Thai Prisoners of War Camp No.2.

昭和20年8月30日バンコクにおいて、連合国軍に引き渡す。
Aug 20, 1945, he was transferred to the Allied Forces at Bangkok.

Where to find Japanese children's books in pdf format?

are there even ones that aren't manga

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DJT、最近喉が痛くてのに熱や他の病気も出て来なかった。今日は真相が発揮しました!
「喉ちんこ」に口炎が起きた。。。信じられなかったけど間違いない。
神様のユーモアのセンスきっと気に入らない。

>>69150752
Captcha: Kitchen Suécia

>>69150752
kek what the fug
this was one of top results on google for "Japanese pdf library archive"
https://archive.org/details/manga_library
NSFW

>>69150779
It's a sign that you have to buy IKEA kitchen

>>69150779
>喉ちんこ
>"throat dick"
hahaha I think I will remember this word for ever

anyway, sorry to hear that, I have tendinitis in my right hand/arm right now and I'm mostly writing with my left one because of this....

>>69150916
>https://archive.org/details/manga_library
The fuck is that

>>69150779
>痛くてのに
>~くてのに
>~てのに
何故

>>69151115
Archive.org is actually a fairly reputable website that archives just about everything, but this "manga library" page in particular is kctier due to the hentai.

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Managed to find a fiction manga that has Hitler in it and which portrays him as a good guy.
Will report back in 10 years when I can read the moonrunes.

How do you put in audio for words you mine? I have the anki import set up and it gets the word, definition and reading but not the audio.

>>69141901
I guess you are German, but actually you are a bird-human.

>>69153234
The syntax is different for audio. Did you read the paste binned instructions? You might also need to set the audio save location.

>>69154612
I was able to get it to work now. I have it now set that you play the audio first and then it downloads, because for some odd reason it won't save when I download the word by itself.

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>tfw grinding through a VN looking up every other word

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Hey, looking for native japanese speakers (or atleast someone who speaks it semi fluently) to teach me the basics of japanese. I'm sick of reading tons of ebooks and want to learn from someone directly. I already know Kana.

In exchange I can offer to teach german or buy you some gaym on steam, but I really don't have the money to pay for every hour or stuff like that.

Please add me on kik: Mrstexo

How do you keep your focus on anki for 2-3 hours at a time? I keep find myself getting distracted for a minute then going back, it's hurting my productivity

Hard mode: Not amphetamines

>>69155849
Dont do it straight, do it in bursts. Thats how I use to get 100 new cards done a day

>>69155648
Sent ;)

>>69155849
I think if you spend that much time on anki every day then you're asking to get burned out. If you miss a single day then you'll get overwhelmed trying to catch up.

>>69155989
I fucked up and couldn't do reps for an extended period of time. I am trying to rebuild but I have 1000 reps backed up. Maybe I should get some amphetamines.

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ok, second try, is this correct?
彼は陰茎を食べることが好きです。

>>69156048
That's happened to me before. If you can't power through it then I'd recommend setting your review card limit to a little bit higher than the number of cards you normally get through daily and slowly chip away at the backlog until you catch up.

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>>69155941
You sure? Got no one in my kik :(

>>69155849
I do it in chunks of 30 minutes at a time, with a 5 minute break in between. Look up pomodoro timer, it helped me a lot when I had the same issue.

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>>69156168
It was a joke, I dont have a kik.
Also its probably not the best to be asking people from here for personal help.
From my experience every time we start up a group even if its 2 or 3 people it eventually dies off in a few days because of no one actually wanting to talk

>>69155648
>>69156168
Since I'm in a festive mood, I'll throw you a bone here: DJT advocates autodidactism, so it's unlikely that you'll find someone willing to teach you. However, you too can learn Japanese all by yourself, provided you have the motivation and discipline to keep it up. Read the guide: http://djtguide.neocities.org/

>>69156164
Is there a way to make anki show me only "review" cards instead of "relearn" cards? I just want to power through the whole stack once to find what I forgot and what I retained.

>>69156048
Oh boy fuck it just press hard on every card.

I did it like this and continued to do them properly afterwards + reviewed forgotten cards every day.

This way you only have to relearn / review some cards everyday, not several 100.

>but it's cheating
Fuck you all, is a pause button for anki too much to ask?

>but muh spaced repetition
While I agree not daily your reps regulary, a one week break won't fuck everything up, at least it didn't for me.

>>69156600
If you add all relearn cards to your custom study deck they should be missing from your real deck.

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>>69156656
The problem isn't that anki doesn't have a pause button, it's that your brain doesn't.

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>注意

>>69157007
Carrie is dead Chewie, get over it.

>Klingon releasing in a few days on duolingo
>Still no Japanese

>>69157287
I'm gonna have learned whatever duolingo could even offer by the time they do

>>69157287
>>69157365
Is duolingo any good? was planning on using it on korean or something

>>69157533
I can't say. I have friends that have learned Spanish, German, and French and they thought it was helpful. Haven't used it myself, though.

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I was thinking of doing 50 new cards a day, instead of 25 (the norm for me). I figure I'll try to work really hard on 6k/2k, all the while reading various grammar guides.
I already feel like I have a good grasp on grammar, but reading always feels so hopeless because I'm always looking up different characters. These stupid kanji are the biggest hurdle.

>>69157602
Don't burn yourself out.

>>69157602
And the point of that post was, how many new cards do you do a day?

>>69156168
Got something other than kik?

>>69097124
fucking cucks itt

>>69157602
My problem with core is that it teaches words like "real estate agent" and "stocks" early, which is useless for everything other than newspapers. I just suspend stupid cards like that now. It's good enough otherwise. I'm doing a lot of cards per day too because not knowing words is the biggest problem.

>>69157533
Good for vocab I'd say in a semi engaging way.

Don't do it on a phone unless it's very responsive to keyboard and touch because everything is based on getting a certain percentage to pass onto the next thing. It works fine but when you have to redo family members 5 times because you're going to fast and putting in typos you'll throw your phone.

>>69157533
Why would you use duolingo over anki unless you didn't know better?

It doesn't sound like it really teaches more than 2000 words anyway so if duolingo for japanese did come out it would probably just be like using memrise for 2000 words, not necessarily in frequency order, before you're forced to switch to anki anyway.

>>69157754
As for 株 I really don't know why it's in there, but even if you're not going to use a word much it can sometimes still be useful to help demonstrate the way in which kanji sounds and meanings combine together.

>>69157754
Kek I still struggle with the same 10 business terms anki gave me half a year ago.

>>69157878
Cause I dont really know how good the quality of korean vocab decks are

>>69156048
>1000 reps backed up.
That's only a few hours at most. Around 1 hour if you're a speed drone.

Just do it in 100-200 card blocks if your ADHD is playing up. The real pain will be over the next few weeks if your retention is shit.

>>69158963
What sort of IQ do you have that you can do work through 1000 cards in an hour

>>69159026
Its not hard if they are older cards in the first place
Not him but I got about 1k backed up right now could probably do it in 40 minutes since I havent done any new words in awhile

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あなたはそれを楽しんでいますか?サラリーマンとしての生活?

>>69157640
Yeah, skype: stufferdos

>>69159741
Sent ;)

>>69159225
電気技師としての生活

>>69159026
If you're actually paying attention to Anki, it should only take 100 minutes to 2 hours.

You can space it out so that's only an extra half hour a day, and you're back up to speed within half a week.

>>69157754
I associate 株 with Kabukicho (red light district in Shinjuku) - just imagine it's a rich place and all the professional elite are interested in stocks. It's a nonsense mnemonic but it works.

不動産 is actually pretty common. It's worth learning just for the combination of kanji. "Immobility" + "assets" = permanent home, something a realtor helps you to find.

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I tried the EPWING dictionary in the CoR to use with epwing to anki. It seems better as it shows multiple readings and also some Japanese synonyms and definitions, but I wish it didn't show the english definitions in the example sentences. Is there a better J-E dictionary I should use?

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一日前アニメの月曜日のたわわを見った

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>>69161123

What's your favorite jp song to sing to? Despite being into japanese music for 7 years, there's no song that i want to sing just as bad as those written in English. Is this odd? On the otherhand, plenty of japanese people like singing songs in english

>>69161123
何言いたいか分からん

>>69161181
I don't sing

>>69157287
>an easy-ass language created by Americans for Americans is out, but the hardest, most detached from English language of all isn't yet
>WHAT HAPPEN?

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>>69161150

gomin

>>69157878
Duolingo is better because it contains grammar, speaking and writing exercises.
But it peaks at 2000~2500 words.

But Anki is focused on volume of words, so it's great for Japanese, where you need to learn a shit ton of kanji.
I see no point in using Anki for a language that is not ideographic.

In 12 months of Duolingo-only French I can already speak it in a decent pace, although I have to check the dictionary all the time because my vocabulary is so limited.
In 12 months of Anki I can remember words for pretty much anything I want to talk about, but I still lack the grammar drilling part Duolingo offers, that turn stuff in muscle memory.

>>69161233
It's that a meme language that nobody speaks gets added in before one with lots of demand and use for it.

it finally happened /int/

i missed a day of anki

>worked a 9am to 10pm shift at work, walked home, got home by midnight and had 6 hours of sleep before needing to walk back to work

how the fuck was i expected to fit anki into that

what should i do to make up for it? double my new cards for a while?

>>69161839
Time to quit work and live the NEET life if you want to learn Japanese

>>69161867
i just quit one of my two jobs three days ago

unfortunately, quitting both jobs isn't an option.

this just makes me regret wasting my fucking childhood. if I had anki and tae kim when i was a kid i'd be in a much better position ght now.

>>69161839
You're meant to sneak at least 1 card review in. Maybe 1 new card as well.

That way you spend next to no time on anki for the day but maintain 100%.

>>69161839
>walked home
Why not just take the train and do anki while commuting?
Oh wait, your country has shit public transport.

>>69161980
>Making fun of a burger who can walk
Poor form, bro.

>>69161839
When it happened to me I increased my new cards to 22 and let it that way for 10 days.

But evaluate if you have the time - reviews will already pile up because of this missed day.

>>69161839
>went to vacation for a week
>have more than 1000 card reviews waiting for me
Luckily it was a weekend when I came back home so I finished the cards that day. I try to rest every 300th card so I wouldn't burn out.

As for fitting anki for the missed days, I don't double my cards or anything. I let it as is. I'm tired enough from work so I won't add stress at home. I probably do custom studies during weekends.

What the fuck I just noticed I closed /jp/ edition's tab a good three days ago and forgot about it.

Goes to show how good things are going over there.

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>>69162078
I literally can't miss a single day of anki. By my current calculations of 20 words a day i'll finish the 6k core deck a literal week before the 2017 JLPT.

there's a british NEET in this thread that's able to do 100 words a day and could finish the same deck as me in just 2 months. fuck him.

>>69162083
why are there 2 djts

>>69162215
One for blogging and one for porn games

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>>69162215
>two

Captcha: Aranha

>>69162324
also why did we get kicked off of /a/?

>>69161839
I almost went to sleep without doing any new words yesterday. It would have ruined my 2month+ streak and would have fucked up my whole learning routine as I would lose all motivation

>>69162214
Eh? Don't be afraid to increase card count. I also started at 20 words a day back in september and now i can do 40. Currently pushing myself with 50 so i can get to 3000 just before new year.

>>69161323
>speaking and writing exercises
You know how much we value those in this thread

Has there ever been any attempt to get people from DJT to read something together? Sometimes I get lost and when there's no translated material to reference, lack of understanding just accumulates until I have no motivation to read anymore. I know DJT is usually opposed to things like discord that require participation outside of the thread, but it'd be nice to have other people to reference rather than being stuck on your own.

>>69163416
What you do is blogpost about what you're reading and watch as other people start reading it too and posting about it.

>>69163416
Make a discord and see if people will join. I know I would, disliked the skype suggestion from before because I hate skype.

>>69163745
>>69163416
discord servers should be discouraged... however if people shared their usernames that would be fine.

>>69163783
I get what you're saying, but for the few who are interested in some sort of collaborative learning it would be nice. Other than IRC which lacks any voice communication ability, I don't see a better alternative program than discord for ease of use.

>>69163745
I don't think a discord server would be useful really. No one would want to talk in voice because no one is a native Japanese speaker. And what would the text channel be used for that this thread isn't suitable for? It would be dead.

>>69163858
what this person said >>69163860

this thread is "collaborative learning" enough

still though, would be nice to make some friends.

>>69163874
>still though, would be nice to make some friends.
with flags, anyone can make friends :)

>>69163860
I don't know about other people, but when I come across a sentence I have trouble with, I won't post it here, because if I posted every tough sentence it would just shit up the thread. But something like a discord would be more lax.

>>69163860
Could do a stream of a manga or a game etc. and read out the text / explain grammar / vocab points in real time.

Perhaps both people work on reading a chapter of whatever and then compare how they understood it.

The type of nitty gritty stuff that would likely spam the thread up to hell and not be as useful to everyone, cept for the two involved.

>>69163975
>>69163978
Ok, well it wouldn't hurt to join.

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My drop in performance in the last 5 days coincides perfectly with the heat wave that started to englobe where I live.

Whether or not this correlation proves causation or not, I just want to die already.

諸君、さらばだ!

>tfw just switched from using 'san' to address a friend to 'sama'

i feel like i just unlocked god mode.
it's the small things.

>まったく今日に限って途中の道中で自動車が故障してしまうとは…
This sentence about car broke down today?

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Used to feel bad about not getting slangy tweets ni Japanese but I've been reading some slangy English tweets and they're baffling at times too

Is there a way to adjust the font size of just kanji in firefox? Shit's small but I hate large english text

I'm pretty sure there is already a DJT discord. I don't know it though

>>69167429
Some faggot made one a while back. There's like no-one here though.
https://discord.gg/5kmwY