/sino/ 中文

It was my new year's resolution to rebrush my Chinese skill to the level of 日本中国語検定3級 and I finally started studying again.

>漢検3級(中学校卒業程度、対象漢字数1607字)

小日本鬼子

I've been studying Chinese on my own, but I tend to zone out of my focus as I lack enough motivation.

Chinese girls are not worth it. Chinese people are not worth it (I'm not exactly a social person anyway). Work opportunities in China are not worth it (why would I want to leave Canada?).

The only thing that keeps me going is the literature, looking at the culture of China's past, at an arm's stretch.

>>68974350
您不是令尊会说中文但不教给您您还要学的那位吧

>The only thing that keeps me going is the literature
>only
me too, tho i'm native

超究武神覇斬

>>68974506
normie as fuck tbḥ ḟam

>您不是令尊会说中文但不教给您您还要学的那位吧
不论如何,我父母不会教我中文,他们只说西班牙语

>>68974720
http://ctext.org/
t's muh nectar

夫可规以利而可谏以言者,皆愚陋恒民之谓耳

Please rid the world of """traditional""" chinese

>>68979572
no

>>68979665
yes

There's literally no advantage to it

>>68980236
shows you're not gud enough in chinese yet
simplified ones are viable but far from perfect, occasionally there shall be meanings they couldn't convey while traditional ones can

>>68980236
blog.sina.com.cn/s/articlelist_1491946757_13_1.html
fyi

>>68979665
It's not really "traditional" though. It's essentially a late-Qing dynasty standard meant for official examinations, but scholars used a lot of variants (异体字) which in many cases are older than their "traditional" counterparts.

This is something you come to realize as soon as you graduate from standard reading materials and move into historical literature. I spotted plenty of so-called "simplified" variants in a Yuan-dynasty edition of the thousand-character classic, and they are especially in old 刻印本

Tl:dr the simplified vs traditional debate is silly and people on both sides often have no idea what they are talking about. Also, many of the "etymologies" they quote are pop-etymology bullshit and myths that go all the way back to the 说文解字

t. lived and studied in China and Taiwan

>>68980909
>there shall be meanings they couldn't convey while traditional ones can

99% of those alleged "meanings" are pop-etymology BS, but actual scholarship is too boring for normies who spew the same old bullshit stories about characters over and over again, like 東 = 日+木 or 美= big sheep (protip: the actual reality has nothing to do with this)>>68981017

>>68981017
how'bout those characters got swept into oblivion during 隶变
china has maybe the long-standing tradition of orthography i presume
some simplified ones which normies at hk or tw wouldn't spare a glance for are actually "异"体字 that enjoy the nonetheless same rich history heritage
while some are just bullshit i admit dat
hope you enjoy ctext.org anon

t. native prc chink (who got ip banned (yeah i've been saying that for at least ten times nao

>>68981303
the most long-standing

>>68981096
fun tho not a solid fact: some researchers do believe characters before 嬴政‘s unification shows features of inflectional even amalgamating language

>pop-etymology BS
citation needed? quite interested here
as for 美=羔+大 tho the definition of 羔 is self-explanatory already

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>>68981303
Yeah absolutely the transition from seal to clerical was brutal and in general many of the solutions adopted to make the script more regular and scribal ended up obscuring graphic elements or fusing several different elements into one graphic symbol.

Thanks for the link btw anon, have you read a book called 简化字源 by 李乐毅? There's a lot of scholarship on the subject but that book is a good introduction for an informed debate the simp. vs trad issue as opposed to all the "爱无心” crap that's often spewed online

>>68981521

甲骨文 of 美 (pic related) reveal a single glyph of a man in a plumed headdress, not a compound character

Just goes to show that the folk etymology of 美 is a case of 望文生义

>>68981653
ayyy tho we're calling each other anon minutes ago yet if you're interested please contact me further via [email protected]
you do intrigues me
gonna have a power failure in maybe 120 seconds so if not adios :^)

>>68982038
Sure thing 兄弟 I'll message you later, merry xmas btw

>>68980909
No one will want to learn your language if it's unnecessarily difficult. Soft power is too important now a days, it doesn't make sense to cling onto traditional.

>>68982920
it's both cruel and unpractical to force one to renounce the writing system endowed eh

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>tfw it is not fun to learn Chinese when your college exam put it as a primary subject

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>tfw never choose a china's rogue province as my birthplace next time

I have benn reading Dream of the Red Chamber recently and holy shit is it confusing

>>68983470
>>68983607
Even looking at that is giving me a headache

>>68983685
I'm quite sad that the hungarian translation is atrocious from a technical standpoint

Do you have your own imageboards in Taiwan?

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>>68984647
we call it komica

>>68984758
Does it have /int/

>>68981096
>美= big sheep
What?
This can't be legit.

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>>68984758
>anime

>>68984770
no
don't even bother to find it
it's a dying website now

>>68984996
>it's a dying website now
Where all the folk move to then?

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>>68985051
based on my perspective
it's probably plurk

Does it matter if I learn traditional or simplified?
Are they compatible with eachother?

>>68987578
Do yourself a favour and learn simplified unless you are a masochist

>>68984799
it is 大 big 羊 sheep , but I don't think that's how its constructed

>>68987687
I'm not a masochist(and not a maoist either)
I don't even know why I want to learn this.
I just find it fascinating.

>>68987807
>>68984799

It isn't big sheep, it was an example of bad "folk etymology". I explained the actual origin here:>>68981653

>>68988020
Guessed that much,
I knew the character 大.
I know that much that you can't just mash up characters any way you want

>>68987807
>羊
I'm going to write that down into my notebook

>>68988672
ocean is 洋
foreigner is 洋人

>>68988988
>洋人
Sort of makes sense
Foreigners came from the other side of the ocean.

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any other good c dramas with eng subs? i like the historical stuff. already seen these:
>三国演义 1994
>三国 2010
>水浒传 1998
>卧薪尝胆 2007
>大汉风 2003
>成吉思汗 2004
>雍正王朝 1999
>琅琊榜 2015

downloaded these, not seen em yet:
>隋唐演义 2013
>后宫·甄嬛传 2011
>射雕英雄传 1983
>走向共和 2003

>>68989134
Which is the most memed version of the 三国?

>>68989239
i see a lot of the older show memed in actual chiense. the new show is memed here on 4chan. especially cao cao gifs

>>68989275
Cao Cao did nothing wrong

>>68989275
Is that any good?
Since I can't get my hand on a copy of the books with a decent translation just yet,I have been thinking about watching it just to get a taste of the language.

Is it really held as one of the most beloved books in 中国 btw?

>>68984758
I tried going on Komica, and it seemed awfully slow compared to 4chan. What boards have frequent posts?

>>68984647
>>68984758
>>68984996

Does mainland China have a chan? I saw that Bilibili has one, but it seemed pretty boring. What website in mainland China fills the same niche that 4chan does?

>>68989369
cao cao is played by awesome actors in both tv dramas.

>>68989403
the older one starts with the eunachs abusing their power in the han court, then the yellow turbans and dong zhuo show up.

the actor who played zhuge liang in the old version is an incredible actor. the actors who played cao cao in both the new and old versions are excellent.

the old version also covers zhuge liangs nanman conquests.

yeah it is. i made a lot of friends because of san guo

In regards to the traditional vs simplified debate, one argument I hate is that traditional characters are somehow more "beautiful" than simplified. Traditional characters only look beautiful when written with a brush, they looked like shit when typed or written with a pen. Simplified characters are beautiful in their simplicity.

>>68989523
Guess I will go with the old one since it seems to cover more.
Where should I look for it?

>>68989550
Why couldn't the commies just call it modernized?
It would have helped a lot in my opinion.
Would have lead to better "marketing"

>>68989523
Cao Cao is not a tyrant as ROTK makes him up to be

>>68989593
can find it on youtube. or download it from the torrent site
>avistaz

i say watch em both. they're both quite good.

new version
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CHK8FEvFN4

>old version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZmZ5sRwPhI

>>68989725
stop sucking his dick. he's one of my favorite characters anyway

>new version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tj_jB-bp7es

>old version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cR6AiBGz4h8

>>68989134
大秦帝国 (2009)

is or will be dubbed in english

Who here is chinese descent or just a sinophile?

>>68989682
because traditional is modernized too from kangxi

>>68989927
me

>>68989927
I'm just a sinophile.

>>68989897
been looking for this one, yeah. good taste

songs from 1994 san guo
>title song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cBe3zcdNAU

>zhao yun song during chang ban
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cBe3zcdNAU

>>68981521
羔?This site says 祥 though
http://www.vividict.com/WordInfo.aspx?id=2858
I have no idea

今日大鱼大肉明日饥肠辘辘

>>68989927
Sinophile white guy here

>>68990147
I know 2 characters from that sentence.
Everythings coming up!

>>68990043
there is also 楚汉传奇 (2012)

the dude who played 吕布 in 三国 2010 plays 项羽 in this, the dude who played 刘备 plays 赢政 pretty cool desu

>>68990238
saw a bit of this. not a big peter ho fan. i like chen daoming though. fantastic actor.

if you like the chu han contention, watch 大汉风 2003

has hu jun as xiang yu, he fits the character much better than peter ho. the guy who plays liu bang does an excellent job as well

>>68990215
Long ways to go buddy

>>68990215
我也有自闭症

>>68990312
Just feeling good about myself.

>>68990382
I have encountered only one of those characters so far.

>>68990309
how about the original 西游记

>>68990596
looking for a copy of that now, thanks.

ever seen it? i remember hearing tons of people say to download and watch the old tv version

>>68989785
>an episode of the 1994 version is an hour long
Looks in depth.
I don't know what I expected an adaptation of a 2200 page long book to be.

>>68990636
yes many time, it is very good though i am not sure how it will be for someone who's never seen it, the special effects are from the 80s after all

there is also 封神榜 1990 if you don't mind the 80s costume

>>68990770
these historical dramas tend to average 40mins to an hour each episode.

san guo happens to have like 90 episodes. you're in for the long haul

>>68989927
Sinophile, I guess

>>68990832
Never said it's a bad thing.
I'm quite happy with this.

>>68990182
>>68990860
why?

>>68991225
I'm studying Korean. Korean uses an alphabet but they obviously used Chinese characters in the past (and in some limited use today), so I started to study Chinese characters for use in Korean (Hanja). Found it pretty fascinating, now I am also learning some Kanji and some original Hanzi too, probably will one day attempt to learn Japanese and Chinese and maybe even Vietnamese. But whether or not I learn all that it's really fun to study Chinese characters and it's relaxing to write them.

>>68991459
Oh and by "original Hanzi" I just mean...traditional characters plus Mandarin pronunciation. I'm not going full ancient times with it or anything.

>>68991459
>>68991513
Cool.
So it's purely a linguistic interest?

>>68991998
Yeah. That and travel and possibly work. I'm intending to teach English in Korea--but I don't need Hanja whatsoever for that, really. But I may go to Japan and China and such while I am in that region so some proficiency in each language seems useful.

>>68992136
Sounds reasonable.
I fell into the chinese philosophy hole a year ago when I went to the theatre and bought a copy of Tao te Ching for 3 bucks in the gift shop.

>>68992320
Ahh, I read a couple translations of that when I was in high school. I loved it. I think it really formed my outlook on life.

I should try reading it again now that I am older

>>68992560
I have 3 translations.Truly a fascinating work.
After that I tried Confucius and it just evolved naturally from there.

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>>68992320
same here. but instead of tao te ching i got hooked with
>san zi jing (three character classic)

really cool book. each line is three characters, teaches kids pronunciation, tones, and some history and culture. was used to educated children before sending them to school

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>>68993092
part of a three book (unofficial) series

San Bai Qian
(three, hundred, thousand)

>San zi jing (three character classic)
>bai jia xing (hundred family surnames)
>qian zi wen (thousand character classic)

>>68993092
I remember reading that.
I went to the library and asked for the annalects,but they only had excrepts in a "Sino-Hungarian literature collection"
It had the three character classic in it with the original text,
Pretty pleasant read.
The other thing it contained that I liked was a short excrept from Pu Songling's stories.

>>68974350
replace Chinese with Taiwanese and it's totally worth it

anyways you better be studying traditional characters

other cool books (old classics)

>zhong yong (中庸)
>da xue (大学)
>xiao jing (孝经)
>er shi si xiao (二十四孝)
>di zi gui (弟子规)

孝 refers to filial piety

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I want to go on one of those high speed trains.

Transportation here is dreadful.

>>68993789
Fast and effective transport is not an option there.
It's a necessity.
The cities whould drown in people and would get clogged up completely.

>>68993258
Lel, Taiwan is a meme. Most of the "chinese culture" there is concrete kitsch made under chiang kai-shek and in spite of "muh traditional characters" he'll learn dumb shit like pronouncing 角色 like 饺色 or 炸鸡排 like 诈鸡排. And that's not counting the people who pronounce 吃饭 like 粗换... Have fun being "擦不都先森"

It is a fun safe space for people with the mindset and hobbies of a 15 year-old though so if he's got Peter Pan syndrome he might as well go for it.

>>68995372
>裡(裏)
>鬥(鬭)
>為(爲)
Not to say they use several what I would call simplified characters disguised as "异体字” because 'muh traditional characters'

why's that one dutch anon still not here reee

>>68995372
诈鸡排 does trigger me, and when i declared that was incorrect the old lady did backchat questioning is my hometown 山东 or not which isn't and totally make no sense to muh prc ears, i'm not mad tho looking back on it

>>68989134
From the ones you watched, which one would you recommend? I only watched some k drama, never watched any c drama before

>>69002341
either version of san guo (three kingdoms) is amazing. can't go wrong there

if you like badass dudes joining forces and fucking up badguys, watch either the old or new version of shui hu (water margin/all men are brothers/outlaws of the marsh)

the great revival is a good historical series. might need to really be into history to appreciate it.

i'd watch stories of han dynasty after watching either version of three kingdoms. if you end up liking the whole historical drama thing, then it'll be more enjoyable, especially if you paid attention to the references in three kingdoms.

genghis khan is just an all around awesome drama. shows you the life of the guy and all the hardships he had to go through to create his empire.

yongzheng wang chao is also a heavy history drama. maybe watch it after you've seen a few other ones and like the history. takes place during the qing dynasty.

lang ya bang is not based on history, it's total fantasy. good series though. similar to three kingdoms with all the political plotting and scheming.

>>69002669
Thanks! I will watch three kngdoms today

>genghis khan
I thought the chinese hated mongolians

>>69003067
if you watch the old one, you get more context at the beginning.

if you start with the 2010 version, then

>han dynasty is in a downward spiral due to officials and eunuchs abusing their power. the emperor holds power really only in name.
>organized rebellions are happening all over the country (yellow turbans)
>government asks warlords to band together and aid the government fight the rebels
>they do, they win

>more corruption in the government, a general invites some warlords to come aid the government by bringing troops and killing the corrupt guys
>corrupt guys find out and kill the plan hatcher
>dong zhuo comes in and takes over the government

>everyone gets mad at dong zhuo and hatch plans to kill him

before all this

>a butcher, a sandal maker and a fugitive make friends and become sworn brothers, wander around and don't really accomplish much
>those three are zhang fei, liu bei and guan yu

the 1994 version covers all of this. the 2010 version does not

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