Why hasn't Japan gotten rid of kanji yet?

Because some people appreciate culture, my man

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to prevent filthy gaijins from entering Japan XD
我愛 poland

they their phonetic system is symbolically weak due to homophones leading to confusion without kanji

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>>68963838
They don't want to become Vietnam.

>>68963934
They won't have to use faux-French. Japan has its own syllabary.

Because they are baka

>>68963934
They wouldn't, they dont have the tones issue to deal with. They would end up more like Korea which is doing fine with using only an alphabet and some minimal study of Chinese characters which are used pretty much only as decoration or abbreviations.

Chinese characters are useful once you are past the learning curve, but damn, it's a fucking curve.

>>68963838
Why do people who have no knowledge on a particular topic feel the need to share their opinions?

>>68964150
I thought you guys don't even want to be called (Republic of) China any more? Just Taiwan? You don't have a dog in this fight.

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>>68964073
Look at Korea
They abandoned historical meterials written in Kanji
Then they recreated their fancy history as master-race while they were just part of China over 1000 years
They claim China/Russia/Europe were a part of Korea, and we do not become idiot like them

>>68964534
netouyo

>>68964553
Kim, just gtfo Japan

>>68964150
because they're american and americans only know how to run their fath mouth


>>68964054

The Vietnamian language was latinized by Spanish monks, not the French

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>>68964534
>>68964576

>>68964553
netosayo

netouyo vs netosayo

the most shit battle in this century

>>68963838
each Kanji character carries more information so our sentence is dense.

"How Much Can You Say in 140 Characters? A Lot, if You Speak Japanese"
http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2011/09/how-much-can-you-say-in-140-characters-a-lot-if-you-speak-japanese/245199/

>>68964759
This isn't 1999 and you aren't getting charged 10 cents per SMS any more.

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>>68964817

>>68964817
we can process same amount of info twice as fast as you guys

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>>68963838
>Chinese intellectuals

Our failed language is teeming with plethora of homophones so we can't tell them apart without kanji.
We stole Chinese characters but couldn't elaborate refined phonology.

>>68965655
does that really matter when writing?

you would think it wouldn't, with japanese being such a contextual language and all

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>>68963838
Because our version of Chinese characters are aesthetically perfect and functioning more than properly as intellectually inferior alphabet-ards repellant tbo

>>68965734
nice swastika

>>68965777
卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍 卐 卍

>>68965655
Chinese without the ugly tonal pronunciation system = perfection = Japanese

>>68965838
>nazis didn't have mirrors

>>68965943
>nazis were actually secretely ran by chinese Buddhists

>>68965777
Wish you a peace of mind like the mirroring surface of still water from Buddha

>>68965838
凹凸凹凸凹凸凹凸凹凸凹凸凹凸凹凸凹凸凹凸凹凸凹凸凹凸凹凸凹凸凹凸凹凸凹凸凹凸凹凸凹凸凹凸凹凸凹凸凹凸凹凸凹凸凹凸凹凸凹凸凹凸凹凸凹凸凹凸凹凸凹凸凹凸凹凸凹凸凹凸凹凸凹凸凹凸凹凸凹凸凹凸凹凸凹凸凹凸凹凸凹凸凹凸凹凸凹凸凹凸凹凸凹凸凹凸凹凸凹凸凹凸凹凸凹凸凹凸

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>>68965655
this. japanese was a mistake

>>68966527
>>68965655

Chinese has hundreds of homophones differentiated by context as well

>>68965734
netouyo

>>68966480
口ロ口ロ口ロ口ロ口ロ口ロ口ロ口ロ口ロ口ロ口ロ口ロ口ロ口ロ口ロ口ロ口ロ口ロ口ロ口ロ口ロ口ロ口ロ口ロ口ロ口ロ口ロ口ロ口ロ口ロ口ロ口ロ口ロ口ロ口ロ口ロ口ロ口ロ

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>>68964073
This. Hangul is master race, although I am not sure how well it would work for japanese since it pales in comparison to Korean in number of sounds they have.

>>68965655
The ambiguity is useful sometimes.
>How's your job interview?
>せいこうしました

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>japanese language is splendid

>>68967413
>Korean using hangul and what can they do?

nothing

>>68963838
>Even Mao supported the idea.
So, mao destroyed the chinese culture.

You don't know how profound the chinese characters is.
If Japan abandons chinese characters, their writing system will become childish like korean writing system.

After Korean abandoned chinese characters, their writing system become so confusing. They still need chinese characters to sign some words. They can't read their history books.

Simplified chinese have already been being blamed by lots of people since simplified chinese loses a lot of important hidden meaning and makes chinese characters ugly.

If Japan abandons chinese characters, it will be a disaster.

>>68964415
Apart for autistic overused racial slurs and dogs cats what else can you bring up? Dumb bottom dwelling white trash

>>68965900
You fucking stole these alphabets from us you fucking uncreative dwarfs

>>68965734
This
>>68967004
Fuck off you are the traitor of your country.

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>>68968067
>They can't read their history books.

>>68968191
Mandarin is a disgusting language to be honest.

>>6896819
pro tip

> roaches

>>68963838
kanji isn't even that fucking hard, if you go to school for a decade and still don't know 2000+ kanji then you are a fucking retard.

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Plenty of languages are more complex in writing than in speaking, even English though it's less noticeable. French for instance drops several tenses completely in speaking (even more with older forms of French) and various written conjugations are blended into the same sounds. Arabic is considered by linguists as a separate language in the modern standard form used for formal purposes and the spoken dialects used in everyday speech. Vulgar Latin was less complex than the Latin you see in surviving written works, and Euros used Latin over their own languages for hundreds of years. Everyone got along with this shit fine because there was an advantage to having more complex writing. Japans advantage has already been answered, but please understand that the goal of writing is not just to record speech. If we can only write as much as we can say we're dumber than we are if we can write more than what we can say.

>>68968067
It doesn't matter what fucking characters they use, they could still get their shit together and became the second world power. As long as China isn't destroying their traditional events and pouring in Muslims they're still good. China's maintaining a good conservation except for words which you butthurt are crying about. If only Taiwan stop being a insecured beta in front of China, we wouldn't be so shitty right now. Not to mention you guys that want independent are laughing stock.

>>68968236
>talks about bringing back traditional Chinese
>hates mandarin that spanned for a thousand years in China

Do you have a brain tumor?

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>>68968315

>LOL

>>68963838
simplicity is a sign of progress.
evolution of every single technology is making it simpler for the end user
languages are no exception
every langue should become as simple as english

>>68968067
>muh culture
How the fuck is korean writing confusing? You don't see your average Korean pulling out a korean-hanja dictionary every time they want to read a newspaper. And no, Koreans can read their history book just fine

>>68968340
Mandarin only become relevant in ming dynasty anon, people spoke different dialects and languages until a common language was necessary. Ironically, the kanji is actually far older and stronger than the spoken language.

>>68968361
>pulling out a korean-hanja dictionary
who does that, again?

>>68968349
katakana and hiragana is useful to the Japanese language, but combined with kanji it makes literature more understandable. This is because katakana and hiragana gets confusing if you continuously use it.

>>68968383
>implying kanji didn't have the progress of evolution
>implying mandarin wasnt evolved from old Chinese

Fuck off leaf

>>68968438
Southern Chinese languages are more similar to old Chinese than Mandarin. Also kanji remained relatively similar compared to most written languages.

>>68968383
the advantage of hanzi is that it could be understood by all people of asia even if they didnt have the same spoken language

it made spoken language redundant in foreign affairs

なんか、スレ伸びれるな

>chinese

>chinese + japanese

>korean - chinese

>japanese > chinese > korean

>>68964621
Kagami is so cute.

>>68968361
>their history book

but their real history books have been written by Chinese who controlled Korea for long time

>>68968848
If you're taking about historical documents, people who specialize in reading those already have good grasp of traditional chinese writing. Again, completely irrelevant to 99 percent of the population.

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>>68963899
>Mongolians are smarter than half of Western Europe
I'm impressed.

>>68965655
>We stole Chinese characters but couldn't elaborate refined phonology.
If you try harder, you can have the following as distinctive sounds:

SA [SI] SU SE SO
ZA [ZI] ZU ZE ZO

WA [WI] [WU] [WE] [WO]

HA HI [HU] HE HO
[FA] [FI] FU [FE] [FO]

[LA LI LU LE LO]
RA RI RU RE RO

TA [TI] [TU] TE TO
[TSA] [TSI] TSU [TSE] [TSO]

DA [DI] DU DE DO
[DJA] [DJI] [DJU] [DJE] [DJO]

YA [YI] YU [YE] YO

It's enough to clear any homophonous problems. Then you just need to add fucking spaces between your words.

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LOL why do arabs have to memorize ten unique glyphs for numbers?

why don't they just use I, II, III... ?

it's much easier to remember

>>68969248
Nah, can you imagine how primitive it would be if we used 一二三STICKS三二一 as numbers like those wild Chinks?

>>68969285
actually it allows for finger counting to 10 with a single hand

>>68969285
get back to me when chinks write "eight" as 五一一一

dumb latin niggers

>>68964759
It's still dumb that you have to memorize like 20,000 characters just to shorten the sentence by only a few characters.

>>68969448
no, it trains memory, dummy

>>68967413
ZA ZI ZU ZE ZO
DA DI DU DE DO
JA
..........

anyway, they can't pronounce a lot of sounds.

>>68969448
It's only dumb for you because you don't know those characters.

Japanese people do.

Why should your opinion hold any weight?

>>68965734
No it isn't you fucking moron it looks fucking stupid to see a character with eighty thousand strokes next to kana with one stroke. You don't have to keep learning your stupid characters in high school.

>>68966527
just make up new words

>>68969505
not really

kanji learning mostly stops in junior high school

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>>68969357
Get back to me when Westerners write 2016 as 2 1000 10 6.

>>68968067
And yet, Korean is still one of the easiest languages to write things in.

>>68969641
That's why korean language looks stupid and is confusing to read.

>>68963838

Japan has only so many sounds. This creates many homophones. Kanji differentiates one homophone from another. It also helps you understand where one word begins and the next ends (assuming they're not using spaces between the words).

>>68969590
二零一六, dummy

>>68969824
You can make different words and use spaces.

>>68969923
why though

who does that benefit other than dumbass foreigners?

I'm glad Japanese is hard for people like you. It means you'll stay away

>>68963838
It would fuck up their written language to being barbarian level simple.

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>>68969934
If your system wasn't so complicated you could be playing this right now.

But no one can figure out the manual properly, so fuck you criminals for letting this game die.

Traditional chinese is still taught, just as a higher level version of chinese

>>68969998
the issue with this game is that it was rediscovered recently and the various manuals are conflicting, it's unrelated to the language

>>68969756
>confusing to read
are you mentally retarded? its the easiest to read

>>68969934
You so you won't have to keep learning your characters in junior high or even high school

>>68970077
It looks ugly, but is probabbly the easiest to learn of the 3

>>68970162
because you form words with letters, it's not characters per say like hanzi based languages

>>68970112
you learned greek and latin prefixes/suffixes through junior high school, no?

think of kanji the same way, except instead of "thano" there's 死

>>68970191
I know
But it has less "meaning"in the sense of pictograms

>>68969934
You can use 2 characters to write one sound. For example in polish:
Lód means ice, Lud means tribe. Both words are pronounced exactly the same, but they conjugate diffrently. Lód into lody plural ice and lud into ludy =tribes. Or simply you can just start using spaces.

>>68970202
We don't write thano like Θανο though. So why don't you just convert Chinese prefixes to kana?

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>>68970275
They are tang-aboos

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How about migrating to an Ateji-only system?

That would give the chink flavor but keep it as a small, manageable set for the entire family.

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>>68970275
This is what i mean btw
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_missions_to_Tang_China

>>68970394
Woah, this horribly maimed Fisher-Price website reminds me a lot of Wikipedia.

>>68970275
imagine if you did though

the human brain is capable of remembering far more than 26 symbols. It's a waste of resources to limit oneself to that

to use a technical analogy: kanji are like a pre-compiled lookup array for a mathematical function while phonetics is like processing the same equation over and over again

{4, 8, 16, 32, ...} as opposed to {2^2, 2^3, 2^4, 2^5, ...}

just like with computers, this requires more memory to be allocated, but allows information to be processed faster

がいじんどもには、このぶんしょうがどれほどよみづらいのか、わからねぇんだろうな

がいじんども には、 この ぶんしょう が どれほど よみづらいのか、 わかんねぇ んだろう な

>>68963899
wtf I love Japan now

>>68970737
that analogy doesnt apply to the way human brain processes writing. For example native English speakers never look at each individual sound.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typoglycemia

>>68963838
Because we can read faster desu.

For japs, the sentence without kanji seems like it was written by a child.

>>68963899
It makes it easier for Chinese though
Also, why are there no new Kanjis made for the periodic table, some elements are named 酸素,金 and then suddenly you get a bunch of イッテルビウム

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>>68971910
the 113th element Nh (Nihonium) is found in Japan
and named after our cunt Nihon (日本)
so we could say it 日本素

>>68972194
I mean yes, but why not make new kanjis/kanji phrase for other elements as well?

>>68966527
Japanese speaker rarely see more than half of them frequently since we use other words if wanting to mean these.

>>68972295
actually Chinese are good at making new Kanjis
e.g. 镄 for the 100th element Fermium
so let's see what they come up with

>>68972854
It is based off the english sounds afaik, and since 铌 is taken maybe 金+共 for nihonium with pinyin hóng

>>68970077
So, can you easily get the meaning?

Why haven't you guys reformed english spelling yet?
Dumb americunt.

>>68963838
with Kanjis we can squeeze words and can read them more efficiently:

Alphabet/ Contribution
Kanji/ 貢献

A/Industrial Revolution
K/産業革命

A/ Pan-Fried Dumplings
K/ 焼餃子

A/American OP
K/馬鹿

>>68963838
sounds like removing vocabulary to make English more easy. we need making English easy?

>>68973217
of course. Not a native speaker but I have no problems

just use the Latin alphabet ffs

>>68966527
Kanji that is really used.

校章
行賞:that is used for only a set phrase of 論功行賞.
降将
高尚:adjective verbs
交渉
工商:that has different accent from others.
公娼
厚相:that word is never read. It is writing only.
公称
公証:a technical term

it is only five words actually.

>>68973454
馬鹿?馬路如虎口!

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>>68963838
FUCK YOU AMERIFAT

jap words without Chinese characters

会社(kaisha : 2syllables: office) -> a'uyashiro 5 syllables
自動車(zidosha : 3syllables: car) -> mizukara'ugokukuruma 10 syllables
鉛筆(empits(u) : 2-3syllables : pencil) -> namarifude 5syllables

it would cause a significant problem in speed of communications.

>>68967919
>>68968007
this is answer.

>>68973895
it really isnt

>>68963838
To prevent refugees from entering JAPAN

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>>68973723
the problem is japanese already sufferes that disadvantage at present compared with other languages. maybe we should just abandon this useless language and embrace english as a new official language.

>>68965838
LoL
you are so stupid

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>>68974068
don't worry, Japan is most advanced country.

real is most trustworthy than such a silly propaganda.

>not part of their native language
They're as much Japanese as "native" and "language" (two words of Latin origin) are English.

Chinese language need Hiragana

Korean language need Kanji

so Japanese language is the best.

the real is already proved.

>>68974208
thats a butthurt jap if i've seen one

>>68974312
thats a butthurt chink if i've seen one

>>68973723
Just write the kanji using hiragana. Works for the Koreans.

>>68974286
Still. It's as illogical as if we were still writing words of Greek origin using the Greek alphabet while using Latin characters for everything else.

>>68974497
Chinese can go without Chinese signs perfectly.
Koreans can go without Chinese signs with a bit of difficulty.
we cannot do it because of the defective phonology.

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>>68974310
you mean like this?

>>68974633
>phonology
so what? LOL

but Japanese better than Chinese and Korean.

>>68974662
yeah, That ages Korean better than now.

actually that ages Korean made nowadays Korea.

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>>68974662
modern korean newspapers hardly have hanja

>>68974745
That's newspaper over 50% Korean words are Hanja.

>>68974783
what are you even talking about? Pretty much all of it is in Korean

>>68974497
Korean Hanja characters usually have one syllable pronunciation and one Hanja character can be replaced by a single Hangul character. Japanese Kanji characters on the other hand are often pronounced in several syllables. If you tried to write a japanese sentence all in hiragana the sentence becomes much longer than the original one. Reading hiragana only sentence is tiresome to read.

>>68974848
여론조사도 인천공항
사전투표소
방법
예측
불가능
집중
전체
지역구
수도권
결과
선거

just first few sentence has a lot of Hanja.

can't you understand such a easy things?

>>68974948
thats hangul. Chinese characters are hanja

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>>68974989
no, that hangul from Japanese kanji.

Hanja words, do you understand?

>>68963899
makes sense

stupid idea. we're not Koreans, who can't read old books their ancestors left. yeah we may as well teach children how to get a gf and have sex.

>>68975100
温故知新

do you know that?

>>68963899
>Chinese
>high IQ
well then the "IQ" is meaningless. it's not a good point.

>>68975054
of course alot of the words will the Chinese equivalents

>>68975134
dumb Korean immigrant of whatever please. the reason we don't have to abandon Japanese language is that we can receive higher education in existing Japanese. this is an advantage.

>>68963838
why hasnt america gotten rid of dumb spelling
a= ei,a,prolapsing sound?
e=i,e,mute?
i=ai,i?
o=ou,o,a?
u=iu,o,gutpunched?

when do you use certain sounds?
why dont you use metric system?

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>>68974068
>thickness of English books will be reduced by a half once they are written in Japanese kek

don't say "we", Mr. English teacher

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>>68975201
actually recently Korean and Chinese using all of Experts Kanji words made from Japan.

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>>68975486
http://j.ktamura.com/archives/14033

It seems the other way around

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Korean language is need to use Kanji.

>>68963838
>and can easily be replaced with kanas. Why is it still around?
Because they can't easily be replaced with kana?

>>68975604
it really doesnt. You almost never write words by themselves in a vacuum but instead write them in sentences which provide context to distinguish homonyms.

>>68975769
yeah, Korean in just living they are not so many feeling some inconvenience, but they can't think complicate and can't make complicated stuff.

so that's why they easily moving fiercely and every presidents continually cheating.

>>68975956
why do you feel the need to bash on Korea at every opportunity Satoshi?

>>68975566
These phrases originated from Japan? Many of them are commonly used phrases

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>>68975956
>continually cheating
You should have a bit of self awareness...

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>>68975956
>>68975604
>>68975566
>>68975054
>>68974948
>>68974497
>>68974357
>>68974310

go back to your homu, nintendo

>>68975597
Hey Mr.English teacher,
do you know the difference of size of Japanese and English books? Pages of our books are smaller, now you become a bit clever today.

>Edward Snowden on Twitter:
>Twitter Cheat Mode is Japanese because you can fit a novel into a tweet

Latin alphabet = king
kthxbye
/thread

>>68976529
>Twitter Cheat Mode is Japanese because you can fit a novel into a tweet
lol, why not chinese then

>>68976529
Don't you know twitter count both both halfwidth and fullwidth characters as one character?

>>68976689
Chinese don't use twitter unless they live in outside of China

>>68968353
English is not fucking simple. And language is not a fucking technology, it changes naturally, and not from "worse" to "better".

>>68976760
>both both

calm down, just go to any Japanese books stores,
and check how small our paperbacks are. The page area is a half as compared with ur US paperbacks

>all these "japanese" posters ITT
Wow

>>68977917
What did he mean by this?

Korean language uses roughly 4000 syllables(standard spoken completely atonal, phonologically more complex, diverse dipthongs, etc)

Japanese uses 200 (very static syllabaric phonology, pitch accents can affect words)

Mandarin uses about 400 (diversification of sounds via tones)

Unlike Korean, Japanese and Chinese most likely cannot properly function without tones/hanzi.

>>68978155
so can't we talk in real?

>>68977465
The Holy Bible: New International Version.
12.3 x 4.4 x 18.5 cm
960 pages

小型新約聖書 新共同訳
10.4 x 1.6 x 14.8 cm
489 pages
obviously you don't know anything about Japanese, you have never read any Japanese books

>>68978630
>The Holy Bible: New International Version.
>old testament + new testament

>小型新約聖書 新共同訳
>only new testament

Are you retarded?

>>68978764
now you erased your post (>>68977465), because you retard found something wrong in your data LOL

>ctrl f
>homonyms
>only 1 result
Just saying that's a major reason to keep kanji.

>>68973534
Yeah for language not suited for it at all.

>>68974068
Yeah because English text totally represents the spoken language.

>>68964621
Kagami is literally the definition of wife

>>68979014
nah, just because I found you are a troll. whatever I say you wouldn't admit your fallacy. I'm tired.

Hey guys except from countries which use Chinese characters(kanji in Japan),How does kanji look?
I think you look kanji symbols which you don't understand as same as we look Arabian Language.
This has been on my mind for some time.

>>68979315
I notice that you have never graduated from any high school nor college in the US/in Japan,
also never studied Japanese, so I'm wondering why a loser like you are staying in Japan?

>>68965734
Fucking nazi. lol

>>68979593
>Holy Bible: New International Version, Black
>10.8 x 15.9 cm
>1130 pages

>小型聖書 - 新共同訳 Vinyl Bound
>12 x 15.5 cm
>2037 pages

ok then I post it again. why don't you just refute this post?

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>why haven't chinks and gooks thrown away thousands of years worth of culture and tradition in favour of westernized gobalization

>>68979571
Tbh I like them but yes we understand nothing of them.

>>68979952
Consider Slavic languages are far closer to Latin than Japanese is yet we need a ton of diacritics (us non cyrilic Slavs).

>>68979571
>I think you look kanji symbols which you don't understand as same as we look Arabian Language
Pretty much yes.

>>68979795

The New Testament Paperback
5.5 x 1.6 x 8.2 inches
13.9cm x 4.0cm x 20.8cm
608pages

小型新約聖書 新共同訳
10.4 x 1.6 x 14.8 cm
489 pages

>>68973475
Apparently we do, since barely any of the jap posters here seem to be able to speak it properly.

>>68980526
Difficulty is relative. Japanese is further away from English than any Indoeuropean language.

>>68963899
tfw to smart for alphabets

>>68980678
nope. its easier for a pole to learn japanese than finish or swedish

>>68980747
Finnish I can see (and it is not an IE language so it is not related at all, just like Japanese) ... but Swedish? You're kidding me, Swedish is like a relex of English.

>>68980747
How so? Any source?

>>68963838

Why aren't you getting rid of "English" brought by Britain???
Oh I'm so sorry, you guys didn't have history and ancient tradition.

>>68980887
He thinks Finnish is Indo-European and does not realize Swedish is close to English.

>>68980322
>This New Testament is itself a classic of another kind - the words of the gospel and the apostles presented for the modern reader in fresh English by a writer without pretensions as a biblical scholar, who was an authority on the Greek language in which these texts have come down to us.

it's not a literal translation. this book can't be used as a comparison.

ching chong nip zing dong mai wai yong sung yui

>>68980526
nah that's caused by differences between those languages, not difficulty of either of the two.

>>68980853
>>68980887
He is right.
>Japanese feels very natural and sentences' constructions are actually made same way as in old polish (verb put in the end of the sentence). "Juliusz Słowacki wielkim poetą był" is classic sentence used by teachers to demonstrate polish students why they shouldn't speak this way (it sounds very ironic) and this is the same way Nipps create their word order.
>There are no retarded and made up tenses like in english
>both Japanese and Polish construct perfective and imperfective forms by using suffixes (Polish sometimes uses preffixes)
>polite/impolite way of speaking is the same, except Nipps' use kinda more complicated (In Poland it is based on age and sex, position in social hierahy doesn't matter, because alcohol addict and lawyer will use the same words to eachother if they will have somehow similar age)
>words are based on sounds that are connect to that words
>We are the biggest weebs in the world

>>68982191
not to mention that we are masters of 'sh' sound

>>68982191
From where is this from?

But you might be right, typology also matters. English speakers usually rate analytic languages as easier, for me or a Pole synthetic or agluttinative might feel more natural. My dad learned a bit of Latin at school and told me he found it a lot more natural than English to foen sentences in, which he is bad at after several courses abd 15 years. A lot of "easiness" of English is really young people being saturated with it everywhere, I know middle aged people who struggle with basic sentences because they do not go to English language sites, every film on TV is dubbed etc.

>>68981590
>this book can't be used as a comparison
and you used the bible for the comparison kek

btw
Bible (5 characters)
聖書(2 characters)
New Testament (13)
新約(2)
lol

>>68982191
SOV order best order desu

Did arguments like this happened when Mao tried to implement simplified Chinese? "hurr durr simplified Chinese destroys our culture"

Oh wait there were no arguments because Mao didn't allow that

>>68983666
I mean just the book you chose is inappropriate. Both of the books have to be the ones that is literally translated and published by conventional christian organizations.

>NIV, New Testament with Psalms and Proverbs, Pocket-Sized, Paperback, Black Paperback
>3.6 x 5.2 inches
>544 pages

>小型新約聖書 詩編つき - 新共同訳
>6 x 4.4 inches
>687 pages

The japanese book's size is larger, and still it has more pages than the english one.

>Bible (5 characters)
>聖書(2 characters)
>New Testament (13)
>新約(2)
Do you even understand what I said previously? A double byte character takes twice as much space as a single byte character. It's nonsensical simply comparing the number of characters. Also what decides the length of the sentence is not only words' length, there are lots of other factors.

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>>68974068
>Japanese is not information-dense
What? I demand a link for this.

Even if Japanese is of low efficiency in terms of phonetics, the pictorial system makes words way more self-demonstrative than in, say, English.
So maybe the information density takes in account just the "getting the message across" part, ignoring the amounts of information Japanese provides about each word. Which in itself may be very useful because it helps visualizing the message more clearly, even if takes more time.

Also have this sentence here. That's fucking compressed.

>>68985060
Very few kanji are in any way self-demonstrative. It's just a lure to bait children.

>>68985548
I'm not speaking of a silly 木 林 森 concept, but things like 共産主義 and 利己主義 for communism and egoism.

Of course if you know the stems "ego" and "-ism", you can figure out the word in English as well, but I find having the pictures of "profit", "self", "main", "ideology" way more explanatory. When I read in Portuguese or English I don't really think about a word's root. I know what capitalism is, but I don't think about the word capital at all.
In Japanese the pictures make you necessarily at least glimpse the underneath concept of the word in itself.

It provides a more synesthetic experience with language and - I think - that enables the reader to better digest information.

>>68963838
Because it's aesthetic as fuck.

Learning the jōyō kanji really doesn't take too long, the difficulty of kanji is overrated.

>>68963899
>countries without niggers or arabs have the highest IQ

T-This is just a coincidence!

>>68988421
Well, there are still spics and aseans in the mix of dumber demographics, anon.

One argument I hate is that traditional characters are somehow more "beautiful" than simplified. Traditional characters only look beautiful when written with a brush, they looked like shit when typed or written with a pen. Simplified characters are beautiful in their simplicity.

>>68988611
They are nigger-tier anyway

Can we all just agree that Korean is the easiest to learn, Japanese is the most a e s t h e t i c, and chinese is a shit tier clusterfuck?

Korean which had before used Chinese characters and have a grammar similar to Japanese could throw away Chinese characters. I've research the difference between two languages and found two important differences.

1. Korean have only on-reading for Kanji. On the other hand Japanese have kun-reading too for many Kanji.

2. One Korean Hangeul corresponds to one Kanji, so writing a sentence only in Hangeful doesn't increase an amount of characters compared to writing in Hangeful and Kanji.

I think this facts have something to do with the fact Japanese can't abandon Kanji.

>>68963899
>chinks
>norks
>high IQ
wew

>>68984900
Hahaha, again you cheated and Jesus is very angry at you!
it's written with too small fonts, and even native barely can read them LOL

Amazon reviews on the English version:

..There is nothing wrong with the content. But I wish that I had known that the book is written in super-fine print. You will need glasses and or a magnifier to read the text, unless you have 20/20 vision.

.. The print is tiny, tiny, tiny. With my middle-aged vision, I would not be able to use it for extensive reading

>>68964972
No, because whilst there are less characters per sentence, they are far more complicated.

>>68975054
That textbook looks fucking sweet. wtc?

>part of tradition
>eliminates the issue of homophones
>looks nice
>makes japanese more challenging therefore more rewarding to learn

sentences written purely in kana look fugly anyway, and romaji is boring

>>68967413
Well obviously japanese wouldnt adopt hangul. If they did it would have to be modified

>>68989605
thats your opinion anyway. kanji is aesthetically cool. thats how blade runner and ff7, at least in the landscapes, and such look like.
and when you get gothic fonts or techno fonts you can find that it has many styles to use.

>>68991108
Isn't most kanji simplified nowadays anyway? I see more similarity between kanji and simplified Chinese than between kanji and traditional Chinese.

>>68963838
The only ones I ever see asking this question are the ones who've never studied japanese.

>>68984122
Oh there was a ton of push back. Mao did get his way, but that's partially because the reformers justified it by using existing shorthand (in common handwriting) for 90% of the simplifications. A second round of simplifications was rejected and eventually retracted because it contained too artificial simplifications.

>>68991328
p. much. It's not that hard honestly, you're already having to memorize a new word, memorizing a little picture along with it isn't that hard. It's not that different than english where you have to memorize the spelling of every word you learn

>>68990463

This is a good point.

I have wondered before about the kun and on readings and how that would be dealt with if Kanji was eliminated.

I don't speak Japanese to excuse me if this is way stupid, but wouldn't you just be able to differentiate those via hiragana/katakana? Put kun readings in one and on readings in the other.

But yeah the character count would definitely be affected, unlike in Korean.

>>68963905
this 100%
\thread

>>68991294
kanji has remained unchanged since 1945 which is the end of ww2 or so. chinese characters get more simplified than kanji and it still goes on iirc. i dont like it aesthetically, i like hongkong and taiwanese traditional chinese which are pretty much the same as kanji in appearance.

the cool ones from china are this style btw. this works very fucking well for fantasy, sci-fi, and so on. like the ea version of runes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seal_script

>>68991883
I knew a white guy who could write in seal script, it did look pretty damn cool

>>68991883
Still goes on? The second batch and revised second batch have been scrapped

I am fine with Kanji. It's probably necessary, since there are so many homophones.

My biggest issue with Japanese is the fact that there are no spaces between the words. It drives me insane.

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>>68969033
success breeds jealousy

>>68992268
weird, doesn't bother as much. homophones are a bigger difficulty for me when listening.