Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1779

>>68957969
fuck off

>>68957969
Go take a walk in a christmas market friend.

>男前 means handsome man
How do nips think this up?

>>68958267
maybe it's a man you would pick before others

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>>68958267
They sure have a way with words.
>Hey Hitoshi, what's that thing up there in the sky?
>Oh, it's a... It's a FLY GO MACHINE

>>68960505
lol german is worse though, for us it's a "fly thing" or "flight thing"

>>68960505
It's not as bad as german.

Is there some feature in Anki that would let me add a new card to my reviews when I see it, but not count towards my new cards for the day? For example, if I have a word that is pretty easy, such as a katakana english loan word or a fairly simple combination of words I already know, but I still want to review it just in case, but I don't want it to eat into my actual new words for the day. Or would I just have to go into the settings and increase the new cards and then return them to normal once I'm done?

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Proper OP image? Nice!

Here's a word and a gif for you: いい子いい子.

>>68960963
Custom study, first option to increase today's new card limit, enter the number of new cards to add for today.

>>68961475
I just finished today's reviews so I can't test it out, but can you do this in the middle of your reviews so that the extra new cards appear with the regular ones, as opposed to all at the end?

>>68961768
Yes. Unless you have the "show new cards after reviews" setting of course.

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Is this OK?

お前らは、俺が寝る間に、スレを死なせないでくれ

>>68963063
*寝てる間に

>>68963063
誰もポストしたくないなら
無理にポストしなくてもいいじゃない

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Where's the anon-kun that was making all the great DJT OP images? Did he end up in the /jp/ version masturbating to touhou and AV idols?

>>68963683

>>>/jp/16299074

Yep. Fuck.

>>68963868
don't worry, he's in a better place now

Anybody knows how to use https://github.com/txgio/orikaisama/releases ?
I downloaded Nightly so I could install it but I run into another problem. It has no instructions and pressing keys at random does nothing.

>>68963683
Don't worry, anon. We've still got 3D pornstar OPs.

>>68964506
I ain't mad about that, anon. I prefer real women. I've long outgrown anime girls after... and don't judge me, having [spoiler]sex[/spoiler].

Also, fuck this board for not having working spoiler tags.

>>68964152
If anybody is interested in this, you use [ and ] keys. I just wish the author bothered enough to add a description.

>>68962962
ahhh, it's so fresh!
cute!

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>>68963683
Well, I have made 4 images that have been used as OP images since the /a/ ban, one of them being /jp/ exclusive. Maybe that's what you're referring to?
Now if you're asking about /a/ era OP images, I have nothing to do with them.

Anyway, if you don't follow both threads, you are missing out on the true premium DJT experience only DJT can offer you.

>>68967461
Seconded, I like going on both threads. I come here to talk about the japanese language and language learning strategies in general, and I go to the /jp/ DJT to see 12 year old autist weebs sperging out about petty bullshit like people posting the wrong anime pics or god forbid people asking language learning related questions on a fucking thread that calls itself the Daily Japanese Thread.

>>68967350
still a baby
but is it a normal retention rate? or is it below average?

>>68967762
That's pretty much it.
I have noticed from all walltexts I've written since the /jp/ split, only one happened over there, since there doesn't seem to be enough space for any discussion to get momentum without being shat on dinosaurically.

Just hope we're able to keep some "cultural identity" here - their full-on assburgers may be amusing, but it's a nice immune system. The /int/ branch lacks a bit on that self-preservation instinct.

after all is said and done, I visit this thread about as often as I did on /a/, that's to say hardly ever

>>68967771
don't even bother asking this question until a month from now

>>68967994
ああ、OK, ありがおとうございます。

>>68967928
>The /int/ branch lacks a bit on that self-preservation instinct.
That's because this thread has nothing to preserve itself from.

>>68967762
>I like going on both threads
Are you a masochist?

The original thread was hard enough to follow with its' 11-12 years of easily explained bullshit.

Come up with something new or go back to /x/.

Which grammar guide, book, or series of books will give the most solid foundation (e.g. gives good understanding of basics, don't have to look up grammar on google or DoJG as often as if you had read the others)?

>>68968572
Memorize all of DoJG

>doing daily anki
>get to "change"
>guy says 変える
>woman says the rest of the sentence

>>68969102
That has become pretty much the standard on Core10k as I finished the first 6000 cards. At least when the pronunciation is shit you can get two different people saying it so you don't learn it wrong.

>>68969102
what did they mean by this

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>>68969102
>word for robot is spoken in a robotic voice

>>68969428
FUCK, that scared the shit out of me when it happened, holy shit.
Back then it was still season 1, where we only had the friendly guy who likes to sleep with you and the romantic girl who is on her period, with a very few rare exceptions of a second female voice here and there.

The robot one is unique. Not even the +100dB 万歳 or 一体 audios got me by surprise like that.

>>68969428
>>68969665
I feel like I missed out on something by not studying with audio

But I mostly do my reps in the office in the morning so maybe it's for the best

would it be a good idea to turn off the furigana for the sentences?

>>68969754
Yes. I run two sentences on the back of my cards. The raw sentence up the top (for reading) and the furigana version down the bottom (for troubleshooting).

>>68969754
Yes. The sooner the better.
Even if you forget how some characters are even read aloud, if you recognize the meaning you will be ok. That's actually more important. The readings will come with time.

>>68969898
>Even if you forget how some characters are even read aloud, if you recognize the meaning you will be ok. That's actually more important.
So long as you only think of the meaning in English that might be true.

>>68969857
>>68969898

{{FrontSide}}

<hr id=answer>

{{Vocabulary-Audio}}
{{Sentence-Audio}}
<span style="font-size: 30px; ">{{Vocabulary-English}}</span>
<br>
<span style="font-size: 35px; ">{{Vocabulary-Kana}}</span>
<br>
<span style="font-size: 14px; ">{{Vocabulary-Pos}}</span>
<br>
<span style="font-size: 40px; ">{{furigana:Reading}}</span>
<br>
<span style="font-size: 25px; ">{{Sentence-English}}</span>
<br>


What do I remove so that only the furigana gets taken off? No idea what I'm doing

>>68970006
>meaning in Engllish
Not necessarily. Sometimes I have more trouble thinking of an equivalent term in English/Portuguese for a card than to actually recalling it's meaning.

After a while you start to get a pictorial sixth sense, it's pretty cool.. I feel like I can even start making my own words by mix-and-matching!

>>68970006
how would knowing the reading change this?

obviously when studying any second language you don't map words 1:1 to your native tongue

>>68970051
>After a while you start to get a pictorial sixth sense
Yes I love this

When I study new vocabulary I don't actually really think about the English meaning of the word at all. That's already inherently baked into the kanji 99% of the time. I just focus on remembering the reading

That was the most hellish session of Anki I've ever had. I just did not feel like doing it at all, and as such I was stuck in a loop going through the last 20 words over and over for about 40 minutes.
That single handedly almost makes me want to just outright quit, but maybe it was a 1 off. I sure as hell hope it is anyway.

>>68970102
>>68970054
>I just focus on remembering the reading
That's what I do as well, and why I think the reading is most important. The meaning is "inherently baked" into the sound of the reading just as much as it is baked into the kanji. The reading is the word itself, while the kanji is only a representation of the word on a screen or page.

anyone know good exercises/ways on studying hiragana/katakana? i am writing them down and remembering the sounds/how they are pronounced and using kanateacher but i feel that is not enough.

ive heard its good to write words with using the kana you remember but how do i do this without even knowing basic jap vocab?

>>68970182
keep ur chin up hon

remember to stay hydrated and don't do reps on an empty stomach

if you're having trouble with a word look up some sentences that contain it. remembering vocab in isolation is difficult. I find I'm waay more likely to forget a word that I first encountered in a precompiled deck than I am a vocab I caught in the wild and added to a deck manually. because there's no context for the former

>>68970254
don't study the kana without a textbook.

for japanese/arabic/russian sometimes they just teach you the alphabet first but that's dumb.

just read genki. IIRC the very first words/grammar are romanized but it switches over to kana quickly enough. that's much more sensible than studying symbols in isolation

>>68970182
That can happen if you're tired.

I had to start taking naps when I get off work because the fatigue fries my brain and fucks with my retention.
Just remember, if you're feeling ill or whatever it's better to turn off/reduce new cards than to skip a session. Setting a precedent is not something you want to do early on.

>>68970182
Study in small sessions of 15 minutes each throughout the day, you are clearly one of these ADHD-crippled cyberkiddos.

>>68970254
Karaoke. Don't you know some weeb songs you can sing from heart? I knew a lot of them back when I knew only romaji. They were a great way to exercise kanas without a vocabulary.

>>68970299
>>68970259

It's the review cards that kill me for the most part. Is it normal to get like 80ish cards to review each session? Just feels like too much each day.

And yeah, I am tired as hell which is no doubt why that was so agonizing.

>>68970294
what kind of textbooks? i am using tae kim, as the guide suggested. what makes genki any different? i would like to hear other opinions.

>>68970303
no i'm not a weeb.

他動詞と自動詞の違いは、自動詞では「を」+「動詞」の形にならないと読んでもらいましたのですが

フェイトを読んでいた時、「垂れる」という自動詞をその形に目に入りました「頭を垂れよう」って

使っている辞書の問題の可能性もあるが、どういうことだ?

>>68970343
>Is it normal to get like 80ish cards to review each session?
Yes of course.

I deliberately try to ensure at least 100 a day (and that's before my review of the forgotten cards). some people do far more

But if it's too much for you then it's too much. There's zero shame in taking at your own pace. Just set it to show you less reviews a day.

>>68970346
tae kim is just a laundry list of grammar and assumes you know the alphabet, which you clearly don't

genki is a textbook for people with zero japanese experience and starts off with roman characters so that when you do learn the alphabet (very soon) you can write actual words and sentences with it

tae kim should be considered harmful at this point. I don't know why some guy's blog is recommended over actual uni coursebooks

>>68957313
Why do customer service Japanese women smile at me when I say Konnichiwa back to them when they greet me? J-men don't say anything and basically ignore them. I'm pretty I have perfect pronunciation so It's not that - do they think it's cute? I'm pretty attractive desu.

>>68970355
頭を垂れる
糸を垂れる
範を垂れる
教訓を垂れる
小便を垂れる

>>68970431
okay.

so i download the genki books (is it a lot?)

by then i would have memorized the hiragana and kana, yes? and then i move on to tae kim, and as i study tae kim i do the kanji remembering stuff everyone else is doing. is this a good plan?

how long will it take me to finish genki on average?

>>68970439
women are socially conditioned to smile and laugh at everything

(I hate women)

How do I remove the furigana from the sentences in the core 2k/6k deck? Even if I remove the furigana, the [reading] shows up beside the kanji so it looks even worse.

>>68970049

>>68970475
There's just two volumes. I think they just take you to around N4 level or so? You'd have the whole phonetic alphabet, a couple hundred kanji, and survival level Japanese.

I wouldn't bother with Tae Kim personally. I'd use the Kanzen Master series after getting the basics out of the way, but we're getting ahead of ourselves.

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>>68970480
Yeah, but I think they just love my deep and boomy voice coupling with the fact I'm a 6'2" muscular white guy and 99% of J-men have zero charisma. It probably makes them wet when they see my pecs bounce even under a sweatshirt. I need to form a harem of petite busty j-girls like pic-related.

>>68970383
I thought the number of reviews per day would eventually settle to around 10 times the number of new cards per day?

>>68970565
That's the case for me. I have around 550 reviews for Kanji with 50 cards a day.

normalfag 外国指導助手s with something to prove should refrain from blogging

>>68970543
alright thanks. i will follow your advice. how long have you been studying jap? how advanced are you?

>>68970565
maybe? I haven't done the math

I find my limit is something like 200 a day, which happened when I was doing a full RTK chapter every day.

Introducing 20 vocab words a day puts me around ~100-120

I'm polishing off my N2 deck before downloading the N1 one and it's around 60 a day

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>>68957313
小説とライト in AZW3 format, seems to have a bunch from the dead links page on the CoR. Found them on a hard drive after making some space and checked out of curiosity if they were the same as what is already up only to find a few of them being listed as dead links.
List of contents:
http://pastebin.com/XFs17zrT

All uploaded in archived folders for individual series, containing AZW3 files. The files were last modified in late 2015 so perhaps I downloaded them from the CoR before they were removed from their mega accounts.
https://mega.nz/#F!JU5AXT7a!fHJgZVqGACSNDq11sJO_og

>>68963683
Which ones? There's been a fair handful of different OP images over the past year and a bit alone.

I use the desktop app but daaamn that 24 dorra price tag on the mobile app
Kek those knockoff apps are shite

>>68970914
if you work outside the home, it's ultimately worth it imo

there's always the web interface though

>>68970465
>小便を垂れる
That sounds very Australian; "just going to hang a piss".

>>68970914
>Using ishit
The android app is objectively better, free, and open source

>>68970914
>but daaamn that 24 dorra price tag on the mobile app
Are you referring to Anki(droid)?
Is this the Apple iOS version?

>>68970914
Just use the website?

>>68970431
We leddit now

>>68970998
ios

>>68970355
水が垂れる means 'Water drips.'.
頭(こうべ)を垂れる means 'He bows his head'.
That verb has two meanings.

>>68971064
whats wrong with that the guy said?

>>68970914
The reasons not to use iShit just keep stacking up

>>68971243
genki is mediocre but reddit loves it
also universities are garbage at teaching languages so anybody who acts like a resource is good just because universities use it can be instantly disregarded

>>68971266
so what do you recommend then?

>>68971285
Reading the guide

please keep this OP, I can find it so easily when scrolling

>>68971647
Here's an easier way, bookmark >>>/int/djt

>>68971844
>>68971948
Drop the namefaggotry and stop using thematic images to identify yourself. It's essentially avatarfaggotry.

It's taken me four days just to memorize thirty kana by heart, all of which are Hiragana.

I heard that it should take way less... Am I just retarded?

>>68972040
this isn't /a/ you fucking faggot
go be an autist somewhere else

>>68972121
Everyone's pace is different, as long as you make progress and learn every day you'll get there eventually. If you feel you've got more drive and time then spend more time learning, else take your time.

>>68970565
It keeps increasing. Logarithmically if you're perfect. The proof is left for the studious reader.

>>68972651
>知ったかぶりはよせ
お前が言うな

Please translate

どっちも笑笑(FF外から失礼します)

>>68972121
the best and only way to master a foreign language is just to see it as oft as possible.
it doesn't matter at all wherever you learn it as long as you can continue studying.

>>68972651
>You can not communicate with native Japanese ever
I'm not here for that, you fucking trollop. Why the fuck would I come to 4chan to discuss things with Japanese natives when they have their own anonymous image and texboards?
You really are a cancerous piece of shit who adds nothing of value to these threads.

Use the following name filter:
/^Anonymousness( Pantuya| パンツ屋)?$/

>>68972773
then why do you spend your precious time in such a board?

I guess you don't have any chance in real life to communicate with someone in Japanese except here.

>>68972773
>>68972811
永遠に日本語ができない君に、このスレにいる意味も
/int;/に来る意味もない
/int/には、元々、我々のJapanese Threadがあるのだ

>>68972773
>pantsuya
>native

What does

ありますよ

mean?

>>68972915
simo haeyhae

>>68970824
Thanks

>>68972121
To fully memorize them, and be able to reproduce them on command is not bad at all in four days

If I asked if someone had read some book, and they answer ありますよー!

What does it mean?

>>68973012
Ich habe es.

>>68970383
What the fuck is wrong with you /int/ djt? Recommending genki is maybe understandable if you really hate weeb media, but limiting reviews? If you limit reviews your spacing will be disrupted and the backlog will just get worse and worse, this is elementary shit that we have known for years.
At any given time most of your reviews will be new cards from the previous several days, so the answer if you are being overwhelmed is still to cut down on new cards.

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>>68973012
>If I asked if someone had read some book, and they answer ありますよー!
>
>What does it mean?
本を読んだことがありますか
Have you read a book ever?
ありますよー
yes, l have done

in this case
本を読んだことがありますか=本を読んだ経験がありますかDo you have the experience that you read a book?
→Have you read a book ever?

>>68970343
It is wrong that there is /DJT/ on /int/
Go to /jp/

>>68973711

Thanks

>>68973496
>so the answer if you are being overwhelmed is still to cut down on new cards.
yeah maybe that's what I should have said

my main point is just that if something feels like too much for you, it probably is. you want to enjoy studying and not get burned out

This word is supposed to be known by every kid but then it looks like this - 警察

>>68974577
Don't they just know お巡りさん

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>>68967461
>the light of tsukini manor
Wtf i hate brazil now

Alright so let me get this straight

は is used when:
"I am a faggot"

But
が is used when:
"Who is the one who is the faggot?"
"I am the one who is faggot"

>>68974641
サツとかポリとか呼ぶことが多いよ

あとシフク

>>68975363
That is one of multiple ways to use wa and ga.

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>>68974577
お巡りさん
サツ
ポリ公

刑事
デカ
国家権力
犬

岡っ引き
and so on

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>>68975545
>犬

>>68975363
Tae Kim's english is weird sometimes. "I am the one who is faggot" is not something people say, just "I am the faggot" will do.

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>Honto manga delivery still not here

Some Christmas this is

>>68976202
かといって猫は何かの暗喩になるかというと
タチの反対がネコだ

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>>68963683
>Where's the anon-kun that was making all the great DJT OP images? Did he end up in the /jp/ version masturbating to touhou and AV idols?

are you talking about me? i'm still here. someone made a new thread before i could

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>>68979328
Superior Kino op

How RTK is the most recommended kanji study resource is beyond me, it's 90% just distinguishing between english keywords that are synonyms of each other

>>68979766
Wanikani is 100 bucks off by the way

>>68979801
I hope no one falls for the wanikani meme

>>68979893
What's the meme?

>戻ってきたはいいけど抜け殻みたいよ
>戻ってきたはいい
This about "the get better"?

>>68979945
You asked this the other day and I don't understand it

>>68979939
That you're paying for things you can get for free in the OP.

>>68979766
That's why as you move further along in your studies and expand your vocabulary, you begin to pepper your flashcards with notes like "(ぎょ in ぎょぎょう)" so you don't waste time trying to remember which one was "fishing" (漁) and which one was "angling" (釣).

There's a pretty ridiculous number of characters related to confinement, imprisonment, and jails. Like 5 or 6 different kanji that he gives synonyms. No way you can differentiate between them all with just his keywords 1-2 years down the line. I don't think there's any shame in mixing them up in Anki. All that matters is you recognize the concept when reading actual Japanese.

>>68979576

>美しいぞい
"ぞい" lol

What is Japanese shitposting like? Is there a different way that they write?

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>>68979945
戻ってきたはいいけど抜け殻みたいよ=私たちはここに帰ってきたけれども、ここには誰もいない
→though we have come here again, there seems to be no one left here already except us.
>>68980368
come to >>68976813

>tfw you teach an anon to read a kanji the wrong way so they will never become fluent in japanese

>>68980576
What? Something wrong, because this sentence about human.

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>trying to work out the difference between は and が
脳を痛む

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>>68981978
>this sentence about human
yep
ここは抜け殻だ= there is no one (nobody) left here already
can you see?

>>68982166
"(魂の)抜け殻"の方の抜け殻じゃない?

最近何を読んでるか教えましょう

自分は東京グールを読んでる。アニメがつまんなかったしカネキがどうなるか気になったから始めた

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>>68982084
lol
× 脳を痛む
○ 脳が痛む
○ 脳を痛める

脳が震える!!
>>68982241
違います
それでは
「戻ってきたはいいけど」
が意味をなしません

Can you tell me what's wrong with this wolfman?
Is he autistic?
I want to learn the language so I just could read some of these obscure comics the have.
https://comic.pixiv.net/viewer/stories/19125

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>>68970544
>tfw 5ft10 muscular white guy with tiny penis

>>68982462
And you frequent tumblr.

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>>68982241
もっとも、ラノベなら何でもありでありうるな

戻ってはきたけれど、レムちゃんは魂の抜け殻だった

しかし、

魂が戻ってきたはいいけど抜け殻だった

というのは矛盾なんです

明示的な主語が省略されますので、前後のcontextsが必要ですが、最も多いのは第一人称です

>>68982166
>>68982241
This man right

don't take this name fag seriously.

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>>68982357
ohimsan resembled her too much
>>68982722
Please quote contexts

my nip friend reccomended me listen to this Enka song

wtf is this

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>>68983094
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_PZP4A6Bmo

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毎日、日本語を勉強する。

>>68970565
Yes, you thought.
That will only be true though if you can keep your retention at 90% or above.

>>68974897
I didn't even know that was pomf girl, thanks.

>>68983015
Okay.
Name-san depressed, and you talk about him:
Name-san... 戻ってきたはいいけど抜け殻みたいよ

at what point in japanese study should i start dating? intermediate hell or wait until fluent?

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>>68982722
>>68983327
抜け殻
蛻(もぬけ)の殻=蛇の抜け殻

抜け殻; 2 中身のなくなったあとのもの。また、人がうつろな状態であること。「無人の抜け殻になった部屋」「魂の抜け殻」
https://www.google.co.jp/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjZ1snP04rRAhXGgbwKHUPTBfoQFggaMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fdictionary.goo.ne.jp%2Fjn%2F169260%2Fmeaning%2Fm0u%2F&usg=AFQjCNHNLoNWhA4eWp5Aw1XJIAculITVrg

「無人の抜け殻になった部屋」
can you understand this?

>>68983217
勉強、毎日を日本語する。

>>68983517
>「無人の抜け殻になった部屋」
> can you understand this?
Yes, i know it.

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>>68974897
>>68983235
Okay, I had to do this.

>get to choose between going to work today, or going to the hospital, probably getting hospitalized due to literal liquid seeping out of my feet, and able to study japanese in peace for a day or two

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>>68983875
i posted at >>68980576 ;
戻ってきたはいいけど抜け殻みたいよ=私たちはここに帰ってきたけれども、ここには誰もいない
→though we have come here again, there seems to be no one left here already except us.

You should have been able to understand the above.

Got almost 17k words in my Anki deck and almost 3k kanji recognition, but there are still so many new words. When does the pain end?

>>68984213
Literally not a single person gives even the tiniest bit of a fuck

>>68984288
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/1199078757
When you finish this deck

>>68984288
Post stats

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>>68984288
>When does the pain end?

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>>68984457

>>68984457
>>68984533
Well shit, rock on brother.

>>68984342
are you that british NEET?

trying to pick a fight with americans again? worked out so well for your country in 1812

>>68984348
>the deck doesn't say how many cards are in it

do...do i want to know?

>>68984533
You go the mining route? I would never accept knowing 600 hyougai kanji without having all joyo under my belt.

>>68984982
>Sample (from 174463 notes)

>>68985174
>174463

if you did 100 words a day it would take you 4.8 years to finish that deck

is this a better chocie than core 6k for cocnstant study?

>>68984668
Thanks. I'm really trying but I still feel pretty much like a beginner.

It'd be cool if someone at ~25k words could post their Anki/kanji stats and tell us how far they feel they've gotten. I'm still messing around with shounen manga.

>>68985174
I just read stuff and if I see a new word I look it up on jisho and manually put it in my deck.

>>68984213
Go make a Facebook account...where the fuck do you think you are?

>>68985440
>It'd be cool if someone at ~25k words could post their Anki/kanji stats and tell us how far they feel they've gotten. I'm still messing around with shounen manga.

Download Core30k and see how it fares on the kanji grid thing.

My vocabulary in both Portuguese and English is around the 25k mark, and that doesn't stop me from finding new words in an almost daily basis.

If you are reading, that's bound to happen. If you just browse the Internet, not so much. Maybe the solution is to stop learning!

>>68985480
>watch me change my proxy
>nobody will notice

>>68985531
Yeah, I originally started with this language for doujinshi, animu and VR porn so I guess I've mostly reached my initial goal, but I'll probably keep suffering until I've read all major classic Japanese works + stuff like 三国志 and 西遊記. It's funny how you develop a taste and get all serious after a while.

>>68985848
Time to start on Korean and get into the pro gaming scene.

>>68986467
Time to start on Hindi and get into the programing scene.

>>68987143
Time to start on American and get into the burger scene

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Years almost over
How much studying have you done over this past year? Are you proud of yourself?
I started this year and can kind of read Yotsuba, I understand it about 50% of the time, make simple mistakes as well.

>>68988577
I started 3 months ago and I can read Gyakuten Saiban and understand most of it. That doesn't say much though, I played that game several times in english. It's just funny to see how much stuff they changed in the western version.

>>68988577
Started about 1.75 years ago.
Just under N2 level now, can read the majority of stuff no problem.

>>68988577
I did ok tbqh

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>>68988577
正直言って今年あんまり勉強していない
でもスマホの言語に日本語を設定したって それに時々VNやってるから 知ってる漢字数も文法も少し上手になってる気がする

>>68988954
Can you please fuck off, namefag?

>>68988577
not too much, lately I don't have the time to study efficiently

Here's a partial transcription of the first volume of SZS.

This is exhausting work, so I'm going to take a hiatus. If someone else wants to finish up the volume, feel free, but please either use the same formatting standards I did or reformat my transcription to your own standards.

This covers somewhat more than half of the volume.

http://pastebin.com/zqDeuDpS

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>>68988577
Started 379 days ago, studied for 293 hours in Anki for a total of 7308 words and 1653 kanji.

I can read yonkomas and get the gist of things when people post miscellaneous raw pages here.
I can write and be understood by natives, although I need some Google Translate or Jisho help with correctly interpreting answers.

I can watch TV shows aimed at kids and even though I can't into grammar, I can watch subbed (English) anime and recognize a fat majority of the words being said in Japanese.

What I am most proud of is not having missed a single Anki day in over 10 months.

What I am most regretful about is not having finished Tae Kim yet.

But yeah, I'm pretty proud of my progress. I had an epiphany about 1 year ago that I could learn 80% of the language in less than an year (that 20:80 rule pseudoscience thing) and get kanji out of the way in less than 2 years.

So that's what I'm focusing on. Any grammar/production is just extra profit, as I don't have much time to dedicate to Nippongo every day.

>>68989278
Is this post a joke?

>>68989467
I won't indulge your lazy excuse of a question.

>>68990045
So it is

>>68984533
天 heaven
虫 worm
↓
silkworm(蚕)

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What the fuck is this?

>>68974577
桜田門組
Because Police HQ located near Sakuradamon of the Imperial Palace.

>>68991603
何ka問題demo?

>>68988577
Started in september (113 days ago) and i'm about to hit 3000 words on core 6k by new year's eve. I need to start reading but it's so painful to keep encountering new words. I just want to keep grinding anki and start mining from there,

>>68991603
nice replacement font mate

>>68991603
this is so often used when clerks ask someone if he /she got offended

>>68991603
what the fuck is that
>気ni障ru

What's the best way to approach mining for words? Should you be tactical about it and ask yourself "do I really need this" or "am I probably going to remember this even without anki", or do you just add everything you see and let the algorithm sort it out?

>>68991603
I 目 no 問題 here.

>>68993898
Most people here accumulate more reviews than they can review in a timely manner, getting all the context they had learned in the manga long-forgotten before the card even comes to the top of the deck.

I recommend having a goal:
>Today I will mine 20 new words!
That way you will mine sparingly, judging whether they are necessary and build your own "core" vocabulary, keeping examples fresh and approachable.

Of course you may go overboard and get 25~30 if you're feeling sporty that day, just make sure your reviews are done shortly after the mining, without incrementally increasing this interval between mining and studying by piling up more than you can chew.

>>68993898
Just keep a notepad file of them and stick the ones that seem important to the top of the file so that they'll be the first ones you add when you run out of new cards.

is someone also learning another language? how does it compare to japanese?

I'm learning french on the side and from my experience I must say that whatever you learn in french you have to put in 4 or 5 times the effort to reach the same level in japanese

>>68996265
Japanese is by far the hardest popular language in terms of actual difficulty. It just makes up for it by virtue of actually having lots of easily available compelling content.

>>68996265
I'm interested in picking up more languages but i'm probably not going to have as much exposure to it to maintain my knowledge of it because i have my filthy weeaboo hobbies to ensure that Japanese is kept in use,

>>68993898
Mine anything with a non-obvious reading. Ignore things with obvious readings (but perhaps less obvious meanings) until you have seen it a few times without getting it, or until anki time is insignificant and you might as well just add anything new you come across.

Also this >>68994183

>>68997015
>japanese is the hardest language
no it's not
if you're talking about kanji, then it's more like chinese is the hardest language, not japanese

>>68997700
chinese grammar on the other hand seems to be pretty straight forward

>>68997700
Check the flags. Japanese is well documented as the most time consuming language for *native english speakers* to become fluent in, even inside well-structured government programs that avoid the pitfalls of normal formal education.

>>68997811
Which ironically only contributes to its difficulty, except for people who speak a very analytic native language.

>>68997811
are you implying that japanese isn't? there are a limited amount of syllables that a verb can end with, the verbs have a single way to be conjugated depending on how they end, etc

>>68997981
apparently chinese has a sentence structure similar to english, or at least that's what I've read about it once
particles and all that are more alien to european languages

>>68998083
>particles and all that are more alien to european languages
they're not, most low-inflection european languages' prepositions are closer to particles than traditional romance language prepositions

>>68998129
>low-inflection european languages
which one?

>>68997140
What do you mean by "obvious" readings? Can you give an example?

Also 20-25 words a day is frighteningly slow. With a pre-made deck 20 words a day can be painful, but I find with mining decks even 50 new words a day isn't that much of a chore, since the word sticks out more because you read it in context.

>>68998502
Half the germanic languages, for starters.

>>68998590
> I find with mining decks even 50 new words a day isn't that much of a chore

You've probably been doing so for less than 2 months if that.

>>68998668
what european languages has anything that even remotely resembles something like は or を

not german, that's for sure... the nordic languages certainly not because they feel like reading german after having suffered a stroke.. don't know about finnish though
french not, english not... spanish, portugese, italian, latin, slavic languages....

like what the fuck do you even mean?

>>68998862
Did you somehow get the idea that "particle" means "postposition"?

>>68998862
german is full of modal particles
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_modal_particle

>>68998862
>english not
Indeed, "not" is a perfect example of a particle.

>>68964584
>fuck this board for not having working spoiler tags.
Why would a board about insulting people based on their flag need spoilers?

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KEK

How long have you been properly studying lads?

How many new cards a day?

>>68998893
japanese uses postposition particles so I don't know what else I would mean when talking about particles

just make your point already because I still have no idea what you mean with this
>most low-inflection european languages' prepositions are closer to particles than traditional romance language prepositions

>>68999190
Depends. Prior to JLPT I was doing 20 new cards a day but now I'm taking it easy with 10 new cards a day.

Been "properly" studying since April of 2015

>>68998919
most of these barely have anything in common with the function of the japanese type of particles

>>68999226
In romance languages, prepositions are mandatory to change the grammatical behavior of the phrase they introduce. In languages with particles, the particles aren't mandatory to change the grammatical behavior of the phrase they introduce. For example, many japanese particles such as を and の can be dropped entirely in some contexts, with their presence marking emphasis rather than behavior; and english has the same selective level of control on the use of particles like "to", "not" and "of".

>>68999345
welcome to linguistics 101, please pick up a jargon file at the initiation desk before you sit down

>>68999365
Or in traditional grammar terms, prepositions make a prepositional phrase, particles don't.

>>68999190
40 recently to hit 3k by dec 31

>>68999365
>english has the same selective level of control on the use of particles like "to", "not" and "of".
example?

>>68997700
>then it's more like chinese is the hardest language, not japanese
Why do you insist on commenting on things you know nothing about?

>>68999190
5 minutes, no anki
I'm pretty much fluent already

>>69000109
why do you insist in replying if you have no reading comprehension

>>68999946
je sais pas qui il est

その方は誰?

>>68998590
期待 obvious reading if you know other words using that onyomi
鰻 not obvious reading because you've probably never seen the kanji before
如月 not obvious reading because ateji
大望 not obviuos reading because it's fucking impossible to know whether 大 is tai or dai, but not as important as stuff like the previous two examples

>>68999758
Example for not:

In "I'm not hungry", the "not" logically binds to "I'm" instead of "hungry". This would be completely impossible for a preposition, which is strictly the syntactical head of the prepositional phrase it introduces ("I'm up" -> "I'm [up here]" not "[I'm up] (and my being up is happening over here").

Examples for "to":

"Wanna go home" is syntactically equivalent to "Want to go home", and shows that "to" cannot be an integral part of a hypothetical prepositional phrase "to go home".

The ability to lack "to" entirely shows up more explicitly in formal english grammar, when "bare infinitives" are used in unusual grammatical moods, such as in "If he would go home". Here, "would" is a modal verb, which is definitely not a preposition or a particle because it's an introflection of "will", so "would go home" cannot be analyzed as a prepositional phrase and "go home" cannot be analyzed.

There's also normal grammar where the bare infinitive shows up like "I made him go home", but I wanted to mention the formal grammar first.

Interestingly, in some dialects of english, the particle "to" forces its way into situations where the bare infinitive is usually used, like "I made him go home" turning into "I made him to go home". In normal english, this would have a different meaning. It shows that "to" has unstable syntax semantics in the english psychogrammar, which is likely for a particle but not a preposition.

Example for "of":

The phrase "lotta stuff" is syntactically equivalent to "lot of stuff", but the nexus of identity is ambiguous. "A lot of stuff" both "is stuff" and "is a lot", and can only be "of stuff" or "a lot of" once you arbitrarily (or contextually) select a single nexus as solitary. With a preposition, there is only one option for the nexus of identity of the phrase: the entire prepositional phrase.

>>69000187
> in
keep digging that hole buddy
you not only don't know either Japanese or Chinese, but apparently don't know English either. Why exactly are you commenting on language difficulty?

>>69000313
i'm gonna keep diging you're mom's whole and you can't do anyhting about it

>>69000137
If you have that time, you of a genius could remember fifty Kanji.

>>69000312
thanks for you answer

>>69000313
to be fair, i and o are right next to each other

>>69000312
Holy shit anon, you delivered.

>>69000259
So you base it solely on reading? What about the meaning of the word? Or does that just come more naturally as you progress further?

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>>69000484
>i'm gonna keep diging you're mom's whole and you can't do anyhting about it
You forgot to capitalize "I'm"

Holy shit anon learn English.

>>68998998
Because it would cause so many problems to have all that functionality here.

>>69000736
what's the matter, boy? want me to dig your whole to?

>>68999190
Apparently I installed anki 4 and a half months ago, and now I'm at about 2700 words. That's all from 20 words a day, except for a short period at the start when I was messing about with radicals and a tiny bit of kd+, and "learning" 100 nouns from nama sensei (2700 does not include those 100 as they're almost all duplicated by now, only this time with kanji and proper pronunciation)

>>69000633
>>68998590
>Can you give an example?
中指
目薬
茶色

They have both straight-forward readings and meanings. The first time I saw them, I could already guess their meaning.

>>68998862
Try to think about particles like cases. In my opinion there is a lot of similarity between them.

>>68999946
Kietez-vous s'il kudasaît.

>>69000312
What the fuck? Wanna and Lotta are contractions of Want + To and Lots + Of. Just like Shoulda Woulda Coulda are Should have Would have and Could have.

Pick better examples, because what you said is right.

>>69000778
Go back to /luso/, monkey.

>>68999365
>>68999379
do you guys know each other by any chance or something?

>>69001036
>Pick better examples, because what you said is right.
If you're allergic to contractions, you could look at things like "do things you want to" or "something I want a lot of", which use relative clause word order magic to delete the supposed prepositional phrase. This isn't as compelling to me as my other argument, though.

>>69000633
> What about the meaning of the word? Or does that just come more naturally as you progress further?

You'll get a lot of the meanings naturally as you read and look words up. At least, a lot more easily than you will get readings. You worry about the meanings that you missed when you aren't as stressed out and aren't naturally coming across more words per day than you can do in anki.

>>69001036
>Go back to /luso/, monkey.
hey how about fuck you you macaque xD

>>69002127
Grade A shitposting.

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>>69002127
>>69002604

This is why no one wants to play with you in online games.

>>69002928
what did he mean by this?

>>69002928
I don't really know whether we're the best griefers in the world or just a bunch of retards. Quite amusing, desu.

>>69003141
nah, just retards
if my ping on america wasn't so fucked i would play in their servers

I think we are a real DJT thread by now

most comments don't have japanese in them and 19 mentions of anki

>>68999190
I started in 2014. I studied for a year. Then I went to the hospital and stopped studying for a year. Then I started again last week. 20 new cards a day, mined from manga. But I'm actually adding 50-100 per day because I've been reading for hours. Surprisingly I remember enough to be able to read even though I gave up for a year. This time I will stay strong and focused and try not to get sick again.

I used to be able to read manga without a dictionary but now I have to use a dictionary. ;_; I'm surprised I remember so much though.

>>68984288
19k here. Eventually you'll reach the point where you can't find the new words in a dictionary either, either because they're very obscure and the only definition you can find is in Japanese on some niche website or they're just some pun on another word the author made up.

At this point I kind of feel Anki has outgrown its usage. I doubt I'll keep going until 25k.

>>68984288
When you stop overelying on anki and READ MORE

I have 7k words in anki and 3.5k kanji

>>69001075
no i've just been here long enough to know when linguist-anon is about to go on a rampage

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>tfw nearly 10k card backlog in anki

What the fuck do I even do now. Help me.

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>>69003809
I think you know what to do.

>>69003809
Delete anki
Read like 5 VNs with a text hooker
Then restart anki and be more reasonable about it

>>69003915
自殺は神様に背く行為だ。

そうするわけにはいきません。

>>69004487
神様に背く行為であろうともなかろうとも定めは定めだ
大人しくその哀れな結末を受け入れるがいい
運命に抗うことこそ真の冒涜であってこの世でもっとも否定すべき行為なり

>>69004487
いいえ

切腹は立派な死に方です

>>69003809
Please refer to >>68984025

メリークリトリス

>>69000736
>Because it would cause so many problems to have all that functionality here.
Like what? There's nothing worth spoiling in this board, more often than not people use spoilers for anything but what they were meant to be used.

>>68993898
For me, I usually add it when it's something that makes me think, "I always wanted to express this idea but never had the best word for it" so I can be sure to remember it and start using it right away

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>>68999004
In Kodama no Omacha it's translated as "pimp." I don't know if that's another nuance or just a liberty taken for ease of translation since the word comes up a lot

>>69006250
メリークリンバス

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V399tenKALA

>>68993898
I add everything that I don't already know.

It's a bit annoying though, because there are lot sof words that I know that aren't in anki so I can't use anki to measure my vocab or kanji knowledge. But if I added absolutely everything it would water everything down with easy shit.

>>68993898
I mine everything I don't know that's below 20k in frequency. Everything above I mine sparingly depending on how useful it seems. Everything about 40k I don't mine at all.

>>69008479
What site do you use to check word frequency? I can't find that feature on jisho.

>>69008575
The one built into Rikai.

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>>68984359

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>>69006740
Like you're a BR [spoiler]faggot[/spoiler].

>>69009289
What the hell is that first chart, Pilipinas.

>>69004487
Don't ask questions. Study.

>>69009289
Wow a real live anki addict
you could be watching anime raw by now

>>68997015

Russian is harder honestly. My brain literally hurts at trying to learn cyrillic

>>69009884
Just some add-on

>>69010601
Yeah, I can understand most of the grammar but I still have to look up a lot of words. People usually say around 20k would be fine. I have a looooong way to go.

>>69010917
>Just some add-on
I know, what I want is to know what it measures and whether I should install it for massaging my ego, like True Retention and Kanji Grid.

>>69010917
The problem with anki addiction is you're overvaluing "knowing" vocabulary over just exposure, when exposure is actually really important. You have to read enough to see everything multiple times before you really get it. Otherwise you just end up doing anki forever.

And like, even if it's slightly less efficient, would you rather learn Japanese in 1000 hours of anki or in 200 hours of anki and 1300 hours of compelling content? If you're learning Japanese for compelling content anyways why not just go directly for the goal? You want to read those things anyway right? And you need to read a lot anyway to see the words in enough contexts to be able to use them properly.

The only reason I can see to be an anki addict is if the only material you find compelling is something like manga that does not allow easy lookups of new words.

It's Christmas in Japan in 12 hours

Time for you fuckers to do something productive with your Japanese. Give a present to a japanese friend you know, or at least wish them a merry christmas you fucks.

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Is it better to pick up Japanese class in uni or to study it in Japan?

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今日の勉強のAnkiは済んだ、でも私はもう出来ない思います

>>69011381
Compelling content is not an universal rule.

There is nothing more compelling to me than knowing my kanji count is one step closer to completion (applies to joyo/jinmeiyo only).
That would require 10000000000000 hours of reading, but 500 hours of Anki will already get you covered on the joyo..

>>69011601
Class is a waste of time unless you really need your hand held, but if so you probably will never learn to a good level.

>>69011381
I don't consider myself an Anki addict though, once I get past the minimum number of vocab to feel comfortable, I'll leave my Anki in limbo.

Don't get me wrong though, I completely understand the value of exposure, but exposing (i.e. 90% exposure, 10% anki) myself at such an early stage leaves me with too many unknown vocabulary to feel comfortable.

Try visiting koohii, there you'll find the true Anki addicts.

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>all stoked up for some Saturday morning raw reading
>oh wait, there's still ~45min of Anki, Memrise and Duolingo to get out of the way
While it's true that Anki ends up being a monkey on your back when you're far enough into learning the language, it also serves as a hedge against forgetting it.
At times when I was too busy or disengaged to enjoy raw content, daily reps maintained a sort of continuity that let me get back to reading or watching stuff without feeling too out of shape to tackle it immediately.

>>69011638
>That would require 10000000000000 hours of reading, but 500 hours of Anki will already get you covered on the joyo..

Then just add words with new kanji to anki. I got 3400 kanji and only like 100 hours in anki. It doesn't take 500 hours to learn a few kanji.

>>69011708
>12000 words in anki
>early stage
Seriously it doesn't take that much to get high coverage. The problem is you're probably learning tons of useless shit because you're not mining. You should be well at the point where you can watch a couple episodes of drama and not come across more than 30 new words.

>>69011601
>Is it better to pick up Japanese class in uni or to study it in Japan?

Post-Graduate
Study
in Japan

you niggers

>>69011770
>12000 words in anki
uh no, that's not my vocab deck, that's my entire japanese-stuff related deck including grammar, kanji, mined sentences and vocab, etc.

I do watch drama and anime though with the help of 'text hookers' for videos.

>>69011823
I see. It's a lot to have though, like there's no way it's good to go through all of that.

>mined sentences
Worthless, if you do sentences do them with subs2srs (or just making audio files yourself) for listening practice and forcing you to actually learn them.

>>69011770
>probably learning tons of useless shit because you're not mining

I mine my vocab and kanji occasionally, but the thing is it can get tedious at times because most of the time the vocab I come across already exists in my vocab deck, all I have to do is to reposition the card. Doing that every time, everyday can be time consuming.

If there is some automated way to automatically reposition my cards based on some clicks from Yomichan or Rikaican plugins, I'd gladly switch to pure mining. I suggested something like this to the guy who programmed Yomichan but he ignored my suggestion.

>>69011874
By mined sentences, I'm referring to decks I made using subs2srs

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Ruh roh.
I don't even have the excuse of being tired. I just went full retard apropos of nothing.

>>69012900
You learning 40+ new words a day?

>>69015430
Looks more like 15ish, with 30 or so the day before yesterday.

>>69011601
Lots of unis require you to take a language pre-req anyway. Might as well make it Japanese. It's not like it will hurt you.

The /a/-niggers that pollute these threads are all NEETs so of course they'll assume that people who take classes are somehow inferior to them

>>69015430
>>69015707
Doing RTK. The number of new characters varies heavily day to day.
Today was 17. Yesterday was 43 I think.

I need to start doing what that guy suggested and cram study 14-day reviews of forgotten cards.
A lot of it is down to Heisig's stupid keywords though. "admonish", "chastise" and "rebuke" were all in the same lesson yesterday.

>>69015790
It's good that you're doing a full lesson a day. I think that's important.

Even if you don't do one everyday, when you do sit down with a chapter it's good to get it done in one setting since they're all thematically linked.

I'm afraid the English synonyms are something you just have to suffer through at first. You'll come to realize that a lot of them are constituent parts of the same kanji compounds, which is why they have interchangeable English associations.

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出来ない、俺。。。

>>69015845
Thanks. I somewhat suspected that might be the case.

Anyway I intend to continue taking one lesson per day, because there are 56 lessons and 2 months was my target for hitting the 2000 mark in core6K; marking the point at which I wanted to start reading/vocab mining.
However that many failures suggests maybe I should take a day off every 2 weeks and just review shit (comprehensively); might help retention, and will also put me neatly at the 2 month mark.

>>69016121
Because it's still early, that many forgotten words is fairly normal,especially with the amount you're learning. The key to SRS is remembering when forgetting, in theory those ones you forgot will have stronger memories than the ones you remembered.

If you've got the time, try doing more cram study. If you've got the balls, the 14 day cram might be up your ally. (I'm trying the 7 day cram because I'm a fucking pussy and it's still a lot of words.)

>>69016209
Forgetting so many is particularly shameful because I did Kanjidamage a while ago.
But yeah I can appreciate how the SRS thing works.

I'll probably shoot for 7-day review crams. More than that would probably take too long to get through on a daily basis; I only have about 2 hours to study each weeknight, and I don't want anki cannabalising reading time once I'm at that point.

>>69016121
I also wrapped it up in around 2 months. I'm down to about 25 a day a year later. I constantly add new ones though.

I took some weekends off though just to keep my daily reviews floating around 200 for the deck.

Having a good story, closing your eyes, breathing, and really envisioning will save your ass in the long run. It seems stupid but that's what it all hinges on.