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Relations between Finns and Fennoswedes

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I have a question for any Finns here.

I've been reading a bit about the relations between Swedish and Finnish speakers in Finland lately, and to me, it appears that there is a really assymetric relationship between them.

The Fennoswedes are a minority in Finland. Most of them seem to be descendants of Swedish functionaries or nobility, and they seem to be mostly upper middle class. Whatsmore, they seem to be concetrated in the larger cities.

According to what I've read, it seems that the Fennoswedes are an extremely isolated community. They prefer to mingle with other Fennoswedes, and many promptly refuse to learn Finnish. When I browsed Yle recently, I saw an article about a Fennoswede mother who didn't want to send her children to a Finnish speaking school.

Despite not wanting to learn Finnish, most Fennoswedes seem VERY positive towards having mandatory Swedish education. You often hear them use arguments like "If all Finns don't know Swedish, how can we Fennoswedes get proper service at all public institutions, stores, etc?".

Everytime someone in Finland critisises mandatory Swedish, the Fennoswedes have two possible retorts:
>1. Boohoo, why is everyone so racist against us?
>2. We're a BILINGUAL country, don't you get it you stupid Finnish white trash?

My question is: why does Finland allow this to happen? Why is such a small minority allowed to boss the rest of the population around? How can this small urban elite constanly get away with shitting on the silent majority? Why should an entire fucking nation study Swedish just so this minority won't have to learn Finnish?

I'm baffled, honestly.
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>>68932559
>no knife on the Finn
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there was a fennoswede who complained about not being able to talk to some girl who was flirting to him on the bus because he couldn't speak finnish
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>>68932559
All the Fennoswedes I know are farmers.

I'm pretty sure they do jack shit to influence Finnish politics except for "muh EU grants".
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>>68932559
we're a nation of cucks, simple as that. All our history is basically just getting pushed around by others
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Fennoswedish girls want my cock.
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>>68932680
>>68932559
Shame on you. Finland is the land of the Finish people. This divide over language must not hamper their prosperity. Swedish is a historical language of Finland, not a foreign criminal, conspiring against it. Embrace each other, brothers!
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>>68932559
Bög
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>>68932816
Fuck off and die, Fennoswedes are a remnant of imperialism and they were predestined to wither and die.
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Well fennoswedes are ridiculous cunts. They think everyone must know swedish so that regular finns can communicate with them, instead of them learning finnish. Also they are literally most racist people in europe probably, hating finns and everyone that isnt finlandssvensk. They are way worse than rikssvenskand I want them to fuck off not even back to sweden but I want them to fuck off completely from face of earth because they are somali tier in shitheadness
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>>68932816
>Swedish is a historical language of Finland
It is a foreign intruder that must and will be eradicated.
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This happens because finland is historically swedish and we have nothing else really so we "preserve it"
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>>68933756
t. Cai-Göran
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>>68932559
>Most of them seem to be descendants of Swedish functionaries or nobility
not entirely true. the first university in finland was strictly in swedish so if you wanted to advance academically you had to lernu swedish or switch language altogether. Most of the well off fennoswedes are finns who cucked themselves while the ones that have swedish background are the coastal hick farmers. As for the mandatory swedish, it's ridiculous and should be at least reformed to be optional.
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>>68932559
>Most of them seem to be descendants of Swedish functionaries or nobility

The majority of Swedish-speaking Finns are descendants of locals adopting the language.
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>>68932559
Actually they are mostly in small villages along the coast and aren't particularly wealthy. Some of the city-dwelling ones have old money though. And those do speak perfect Finnish for the most part.

As for the mandatory Swedish thing, it's pretty silly but the trend seems to be that its removal is getting more and more likely.
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Fennoswedes are the jews of Finland.
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>>68932559
/r/ing the version of this with blacks in America and blacks in the rest of the world
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It's in the constitution, difficult to change.
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>>68935167
No it isn't
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ironic that both bastu(sauna) and memma(mämmi) are swedish creations.
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>>68935339
(You)
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>>68933690
>Also they are literally most racist people in europe probably, hating finns and everyone that isnt finlandssvensk.
Even the swedes?
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>>68935403
IIRC, they believe that they are safe-guarding the culture and language that the original Swedes have lost. So yes.
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>>68935261
No onhan vitun kaulaparta-autisti
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>>68935544
Ei ole. Siinä taataan "ruotsin kielen asema", mikä ei käytännössä tarkoita sitä että suomenkielisten sitä pitäisi opiskella. Ruotsia ei edes opetettu pakollisena kuin vasta 60-70 -luvuilta lähtien. Ei liity mitenkään perustuslakiin.
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>>68935597
Puristaako fedora?
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>>68935724
Onkos koululaisilla jo lomat alkaneet?
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>>68935544
>>68935597
>>68935724
>>68935774
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>>68935774
Tänää oli kirkko
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>>68935837
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faK22VFdzcc
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>>68935540
they are right though
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>>68936121
such amazing culture. so traditional!

such a beautiful beople.

:.)
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Fennoswedes should all just move to Åland where they belong.
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>>68935597
Your language sounds like music
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Unless you believe in ethnic nationalism, there is nothing wrong with Finland-Swedes. They are protecting the culture of Finland, whereas most Fins just want everyone to conform and speak their language. Them supporting mandatory Swedish in schools is them fighting to keep one of the languages of Finland, one of the historic pillars of the whole country, alive.
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>>68936121
The Finnish embracing their Mongolian / Tuvan heritage.
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>>68936384
Traitor! They are your countrymen
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>>68932559
You got it right with how butthurt they are about removing mandatory swedish. Also they like to consider themselves "Bättre folk" even though they are mostly middle class. t. fennoswede
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Also why is Åland part of Finland again?
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>>68937122
They voted to become part of Sweden, but Finland wouldn't let tem.
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>>68937122
League of nations shenannigans
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>>68932559
>I'm baffled, honestly.
this
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>>68937122
Because geographically it's part of mainland Finland's archipelago. The only successful decision (or decision of any sort) that the league of nations made during it's existence.
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>>68936403
Literally nothing wrong with ethnonationalism you pathetic cuck. Fennoswedes have to be eradicted or we will never be fully united as a country.
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>>68932559

Almost everything you said is a lie.
30% of Swedish speakers marry Finnish speakers which means bilingual children equal the number of monolingual Swedish.
They aren't wealthier on average although their top 1% is overrepresented among the top 1% of the wealthiest Finns.
There's a fuckton of poorly educated farmer and fisher Fenno-Swedes outside Helsinki.
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>>68937122
It's very important defence structure against Russia

Swedes can have their gay lobsterparties elsewhere

Also Swedes of Finland Are just finn who speak both language but they tend to be constanty happy as swedes usually are
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Not all fennoswedes rich upper class. West coasters are similar tomato farmers they even look inbred
t. nyland
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Fennoswedes are not the enemy, brussels and moscow and washington is.
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Imagine if we could completely block RKP outside the cabinet. Fennoswedes would be totally excluded from national politics as they all vote for the bloody buggers.
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>>68932559
>upper class/elite in big cities made up with Swedes
That explains why are there so many somalians and niggers in Helsinki, amirite?
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>>68932559
Why does finland get depicted as orientals?
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>>68944735
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYPhXA2zHCU
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>>68944735

Memes. Western Finland is genetically more Germanic than Sweden has been in millenia.
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>>68944798
>mfw i watch these vids
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>>68944828
>germanic
Fuck off back to your boat.
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>>68936121
>>68936250
>>68936575
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFCqUROWEKU&t=83s
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>>68944991

We were here before you. This snake Amphisbaena proves it.
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Swedes are overrated desu

Finns are where its at
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>>68945020
>this is my hole! it was made for me!
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>>68932559
All true, and

>hear swedish spoken
>pic related
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>>68947169

East Finn detected.
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>>68932559
Do people actually believe this meme? Most fennoswedes are farmers and regular people. In the Helsinki region there are some upperclass cunts yes, but even other fennoswedes hate them, And we do want to learn finnish, its just that it's such a hard language. Also mothers who send their kids to swedish schools only want to preserve the language, it's not like they dont want them to not learn finnish at all.
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>>68947215
I'm almost from the west coast :D
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Native West Finns>Fennoswedes>Swedes>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>East Finns>Sl*vs
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>>68947934
fuck off you feminine sissyboy
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>>68945472
I hate to say this but good post canada
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>>68947697
Why is East Sweden part of Finland again?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bULmuDafMYM
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>>68945472
BAD post
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>>68947934
>>68947215
Cai-Göran detected.
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>>68944828

Bold claim, no source.
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>>68951333
Just some roleplaying fenno-spede. Don't mind them.
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>>68932559
Literally everything in this post is false but what can you expect from swedish education.

Real fennoswedes are farmers who only talk shit about people living in cities, especially those rich cunts

t. Fennoswede
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>>68951507
saved
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>>68951507
>They are still treated like colonial overlords
Most people don't even remember they exist.
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>>68937567
What would this "unity" bring you anyways? You already live in a first world country. Fuck unity, the only people that are really important to you are your friends, family, and those you are responsible too.
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>>68951507
>be sweden
>turn everything middle eastern, nigger and muslim
>dont support your former countrymen at all
Swedish as fuck
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>>68953889
>living in finland
>hating finnish culture
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what the fuck happened? is this some russian psyops shit? finns and swedes are brothers for christs sake
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>>68956357

Yep. Poles are the enemy. Poles and Ruskies.
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>>68956630
Poland is the best country in Europe
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>>68956357
We are, but shouldn't we exist on equal terms?

Personally, I think there should be at least basic mandatory Finnish in Swedish schools.
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>>68956357
This view isn't as common among Fins unfortunately. They have a bit more animosity toward us.
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>>68956667

t. toilet mechanic Przkiwczi
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>>68956681
Don't go there, you're doing it backwards. The only reasonable way to solve this is by removing Swedish from Finland.
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>>68956681
That would be pretty swell, however it's far more likely that Swedish will stop being in Finnish schools instead. As Norway has shown, it's easy to refuse Finland even the smallest of kindnesses.
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>>68956847

>As Norway has shown

You're talking about that mountain shit?
It was their own idea no one here ever cared or thought about it
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Is Alexander Stubb a Fennoswede?
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>>68957012
literally cai-göran
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>>68957012

Half. He doesn't brand himself as one and isn't a member of the Swedish speakers party.
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>>68956681
No, no, no. Forcing people to "study" unnecessary shit will only create opposition. It's a waste of time if you are not motivated.

That's why noone speaks Swedish even though it's a mandatory subject in school.
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We released ourselv from the shakles of Danish and Swedish rule, and now we're the richest in Europe.

You can do it too, Finland! Boot those greedy, leeching Swedes
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>>68957012
Yes
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>>68957163
>We released ourselv from the shakles of Danish and Swedish rule, and now we're the richest in Europe.

is that how oil is made?
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>>68956357
Look, we are brothers. Finlandssvensk is the enemy, they are assholes. We love you actual swedes
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>>68957163
No need for that. We already earn more on average than the Swedes.

All this hassle about them is just autistic.
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>>68957012
partly. He isn't known for being a fenno swede he us finnish speaking and practises finnish culture but he is just as shitheaded as fennoswedes
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>>68957445
>no poor 8/10 slavfu
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>>68935403

They are descendants of "the blood" and shit so yeah, they think they're better than the fatherland dwellers as well (or the majority of us at any rate).

>>68936205

No, because they're preserving a very specific part of it only. Them being protectionist of their shit is no more preserving Swedish culture as a whole than, say, the """"people""""" in Malmfälten doing so.
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>>68957163
Finland-swedes are finnish. Completely. They want a strong and prosperous Finland as much as all other Fins. Discrimination towards Finlandswedes is a purely internal Finnish matter, they have no more connection to the country of Sweden than any other fin.
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>>68957884
Like you knew shit. They believe in themselves being better than anyone else, even you. They live in tiny communities and some 1600's fantasy bubble, the finlandssvensk in bigger towns arent like that, but majority is.
They spite actual finns even most of them don't know any, they just have inbreeded in a tiny coast and islands
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>>68957884
>Discrimination towards Finlandswedes is a purely internal Finnish matter

Discrimination against Finlandswedes doesn't exist if you discount some VERY rare occasions. Come on now, seriously. I know this stuff.

Wish we could get along and stop this pointless shitflinging.
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>>68958141
this, what the fuck is discriminatiom against them? They get everything they want. All discrimination towards them that exists is school kids yelling BÖG
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>>68957824
They aren't even descendants of "the blood" ad 2016. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1783413

They're predominantly Finnish who speak Swedish.
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>>68957824
I don't know how well they've managed to preserve Swedish language and culture, but they're certainly right in spotting the need for it. Every day, the American dominated business-world and media is further eroding the place of the Swedish language, both in Swedish society and in the minds of the youth. Soon we'll just be a breeding ground for high-skilled workers and consumers of mass produced products in the global marketplace, nothing to distinguish us as a people from any other, just another self governing district.
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>>68958141
I know, I really just meant that it WOULD be a Finnish matter, and nothing that Sweden is involved in.

Although there seems to be a lot of hostile sentiment towards them, which could evolve into discrimination in the future.
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>>68958295

>BÖG

Don't you mean "BÖÖÖK"? :^)

>>68958314

Shit, that's even more retarded then.
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>>68958527
Don't mock our pronouncing youre responsible for it all
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>mfw "Swedes" are literally Finlands version of happy merchants
>mfw Swedes are literally Norways version of carpet bagging beaners
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>>68958836
It's true, Fennoswedes are the biggest proponents of multiculti to shatter Finnish unity that might threaten their extravagant privileges.
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>>68932816
>Swedish is a historical language of Finland
So is Russian
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>>68959144

Why didn't you station a shitload of fifth columns in Finland like you did in the Baltics, anyway?
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>>68959179
Ask Putin about that tomorrow, I have no clue.
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We have more problems with immigrants and Russia than with fennoswedes.
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>>68959144
No it isnt you didnt force russian in here at all untin 1910s and we all know what happened soon after
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*kicks fensvenksar in the nuts nuclear tier*

OI!!! ÄNDS OFF MI BRUDER
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i want to build a giant underwater prison/theme park with finland in the baltic sea
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>>68959494
Granted Russians weren't too clever to make Finns say "Da, Molotoff"
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>>68959144
>be russia
>invade eastern sweden
>tell locals to be themselves
>fuck up and create bestest nation
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>>68959617
what? too busy decorating the shed?
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>>68959667
are you implying there was anything good about communism
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>>68959689
they are too busy to replace eachother with arabs and niggers to do that
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>>68932559
It's the same thing in every bilingual country, tbf
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>>68959784
>implying post-20s USSR had anything with communism
It became just Great Russia, m8.
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>>68960589
the question is whether a country should be considered "bilingual" just because it has a minority language.

I mean, in Sweden, Finnish, Sami, Romani, Jiddish and Meänkieli all have official minority language status. that doesn't mean that every Swede is forced to learn all those languages.
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>>68962250
A country is bilingual when the government is OBLIGATORY using two languages.

Do your government is forced to use Finnish, Sami, Romani and Yiddish ?
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>>68964446
In some public institutions, yeah. No one is forced to learn them, though.
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