Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1778

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>>68895166
>Hambeast OP

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>>68895166
I miss you /a/nons! When will you come back home?

>>68895664
Never we have been exiled

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>>68895166
I've seen some of her porn videos, my god she does some of the most disgusting shit i've ever seen.

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In case it helps anyone, I made a shitty python script for rote learning words. It works similar to those kana rote mashing tools. Using python2 it'll work fine on linux, but I've not tested with windows. (There's an OS specific function but I added a check for windows, in theory it should work.)

I included some files for the usual culprits, days of the week, numbers, "numbers of things". Making your own word lists for those bullshit similar/contradicting words is simple enough though.

https://bitbucket.org/Kresna/brainwasher
Clone it or go to Downloads and download brainwasher.7z

>>68896178
dos she have videos with a white guy ? pls link

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>>68895166
>non-anime OP in my /djt/

does this trigger anybody else or just me

although i will really say she looks like the main character of that one american cartoon with that girl that wears a green shirt and glasses all the time. can't remember her name.

>>68896366
No but she pukes when a guy with a massive dick thoroughly drills her and eats the puke, or has a guy lick her eyeyball and cum in it, etc.

>>68896413
ewww gross i'm not interested

link me to jav with white guys pls
i've been trying to search but it's a pain the ass, i don't find any real website or real category for this
if anyone knows about this it's people like you itt

>>68895647
What is 'Can you drive a truck?'

I'm having trouble relearning cards. If I get a review wrong it will then come back but only require me to get the answer correct once before it gets pushed off until tomorrow. How do I make it so I have to review a few times before putting it off for the next day? I don't see interval settings for old cards like the new cards have.

>>68898524
Its under lapses.

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/int/ I have a problem

I recently got a new computer and used AnkiWeb to move my deck to a different computer

This of course was the 2K/6K Core vocab deck listed in the OP

-but-

Something went wrong. In the decks now, it only lists 1 version of a card instead of all possible versions

As you see, Yen does NOT list Circle. It only shows money and doesn't show the "Circle" part like it did before I moved computers

So I might have to re-download the deck, EXCEPT, I don't want to lose all my progress in this deck. What do I fucking do?

>>68898964
Are they meant to be shown on the same card? From the beginning, yen and circle have been two separate cards for me.

>>68899263
they were on the same card for me

>>68898964
They're two separate cards in the Core6000 deck.

Yen and Circle are big enough differences to get their own cards. Similar to 起きる. Chances are you're confusing yourself.

What do I do when a card gets suspended? Put those in their own deck?

>>68900769
Up to you, you can leave them for a while then unsuspend them to bring them back in. Maybe do some rote learning with that card to help it stick. You could even turn off suspension and just keep at it until you get it.

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>>68900610
oh now i know what it was

i had an add-on called merge duplicates that automatically merged them into the same card

i should probably re-get that add-on

>ねこが れいぞうこの うえに います
Does it have to be like this, or is れいぞうこの うえに ねこが います valid too?

>>68900906
どちらでもいい

>>68900906
no problem.
「ねこが」 and 「れいぞうこのうえに」 are exchangeable.
And 'うえに れいぞうこの ねこが います' is wrong.

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>>68895166
>三次元女
出て来い!!!

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>>68900905
there.

this is must better

>>68896451
please respond

>3DPD OP
Back to /jp/ for me

>>68901569
How do I get the stroke orders and pictures?

>>68901583
>/jp/
>literally 3DPD /a/ and 2hu

>>68901632
http://djtguide.neocities.org/anki.html

don't skip the (optional step for images) part this time

as for stroke orders

https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/1964372878

download and install that, then edit it's sourcecode (Addons>Kanji Color-rizer>Edit)

change srcField="Kanji" to srcField="Vocabulary-Kanji" or whatever the field for the Kanji character is in your deck. For the core 6k we're using its "Vocabulary-Kanji"

then Tools-->Kanji Colorizer--->Regenerate all

you're done and enjoy your new deck.

>>68901161
「出て行け」のほうがいいと思うよ
出て来いってのは、come out of there!みたいなもので

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i wish we could just delete this thread and make a new one

fucking OP had one job

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>>68901583
>>68902922
今度は猫を使おうかな

>>68895166
>That op pic

How this thread has fallen

>>68903754
maybe we could just make a new thread then forget this one exists

jesus fuck my handwriting sucks ass

>>68904259
Good thing we don't live in the 1800s then

>>68903775
仕方がなかったらそうする自由があるけど、お前らは自閉症患者だよ

>>68903775
Why? 3D is perfectly acceptable here.

Japanese women are disgusting unless they are royals. Please stop showing up our whores.

>>68904430
Pubic hair is the best fetish and Japanese goddesses never shave. They're perfect.

>>68904430
Introduce me to your sister, Takato.

>>68895664
/a/nons don't post 3DPD.
Whoever made the OP is a fucking disgrace.

>>68904623
you are right, I haven't been on /a/ for years because they mostly are retarded manchildren

>>68904873
From what I can see, Germans are generally retarded manchildren.

>>68905084
Germans are generally terrorists these days

maybe this thread should just merge with the japanese thread, but on the other hand it's so cancer ridden with literal autists who do nothing but spaming their 3D waifus over and over again...

>>68903601
thanks my penis just vomited white stuff

>>68905340
そうおっしゃるのはリア充だけ
いやなら出て行きなさいよ
これはオタク勉強スレ
下げ

>イラストの程度によりますが一点10万円程にて承っております。

Earlier I sent an artist a request to commission a drawing, but a) my Japanese isn't very good, and b) I've never done this before.

Are they saying it can could up 100000￥ or up to 10000￥?

And do the Japanese use paypal? Not totally sure I would send them payment.

>>68905424
>これはオタク勉強スレ
そうなら/jp/に行っていいだろう

>tfw can't even write あ correctly

sad

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>>68905553

>>68905493
I've purchased stuff from Japanese using paypal, routing money from your bank may involve paying some crazy fees.

>>68905571
that looks like shit

>>68905553
Good thing we don't live in the 1900s then

>>68905606
it's supposed to

>>68905585
I've bought things from Japan before as well, but with a credit card. And the conversion fees were not that bad. Don't know if paypal would be different.

>>68905610
wasn't it 1800s

>>68905493
It depends on the kind of illustration but he/she normally asks for about ￥10,000 per.

>>68905708
Alright, that's what I thought. 100,000￥ seemed kind of extreme.

Thank you for helping me clarify that.

>>68905907
I missed a zero, you weren't wrong.

>>68905585
>routing money from your bank may involve paying some crazy fees.

these are some crazy fees, anon

>>68905952
4% is pretty bad.

>>68905947
Wait, sorry, you confused me.
Was I right about it being 100,000￥ or it being 10,000￥?
Because 1,000 USD for a single drawing seems like a lot.

>>68905340
>it's so cancer ridden with literal autists who do nothing but spaming their 3D waifus over and over again
I don't even know which thread you mean so yes, they should merge

>>68906162
10万 is one hundred thousands, so unless she made a typo she wants ￥100,000.
I missed the 0 in 10万 when I was reading.

>>68905571
らぷらしあん

>>68906255
あっ そうよ

>>68906179
if you don't know which one I mean then you haven't spend much time on the japanese thread

>>68906234
Yeah, that seems like a crazy amount to ask for a single drawing.

But yeah, anyway, thank you again for helping me clarify.

>>68906365
Really depends on the size, quality and how in demand the artist is.

Could also have a surcharge because anon asked for degenerate subject matter.

>>68906918
You can look at what I asked last thread.
>>68886788
>>68887071

>degenerate subject matter
I really don't think so.

>>68907016
>Yuri
+50%.

>のろう
>まじなう
>both have the exact same kanji with the exact same okurigana
>they have completely different meanings
なぜええぇ

>>68907600
One is about ten times more common than the other, and since the meanings are basically opposite it should be obvious from context when they mean まじなう

I changed my Anki settings and it stops with 10 cards on learning saying no cards due yet. What did I mess up?

>>68910770
Put them back to default. I can't tell what you "messed up" if I don't know what settings you changed.

>>68910770
Your learning step (1 10 20 30) is longer than your learn ahead limit. You have to wait until enough time passes for the learning step delay to go below your learn ahead limit to see the card. You can change the learn ahead limit in tools>preferences

Should I up my new cards from 20 to 30?

or would that make retention worse?

>>68896178
lol you wish

>>68910962
>>68910984
I changed my new card interval to "1 2 5 10 30 60"
Should I change learn ahead to 60 or change my learning interval to something else?

>>68907600
shit happens. even Japanese can't read them properly without context. by the way the latter reminds me of fortune-telling.

>>68911150
Up to you. However you want it to work.

>>68911100
You can try increasing it.
I was scared that it would hurt retention, but no, I'm doing 100 cards per day on average and have like 95% retention rate. The number of cards will probably go down as I get to more obscure vocab that I haven't heard before, but I don't set an arbitrary limit if I can keep going.

>>68911531
>100 cards per day on average

what the fuck? Don't you have a job?

>>68911531
>Up to you. However you want it to work.
I just want to make sure I have settings that are effective.

>>68911693
100 cards per day is not that much, should take about 30 minutes or so. Unless he was talking about new cards.

Post the last japanese song you listened to

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnWQNUzcPpU

this is a very moving song and I suggest you give it a listen.

>>68911797
my review limit is 9999.

i'm talking about new cards. if he's doing 100 new cards per day with 95% retention i'm going to wonder how he's able to get by without a job

>>68911799
https://youtu.be/7y1uIV3Hni0

>>68911799
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7I2Ryji_9Js

This should be summarized as /DJT/ - The Song

>>68911858
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPF7lit7Z00
On loop 24/7

>>68911693
No, I'm NEET.

>>68911797
New cards. Spend 8+ hours studying. This isn't just time in anki though. I look up extra stuff with jisho and google to learn more about some words and kanji. This takes a long time, and results in good retention.

>>68911799
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBHjj7BlHYs
どんなに変わった花にも名前があるとしても、
こんな奇怪な気持ちはなんて呼べばいい?

Sources say spending more than 30 minutes in Anki is a waste, and its better to use that time to read instead.

>>68912293
source: your ass

>>68911799
this is the fucking second time in a row that you are requesting music on djt, faggot
fuck off already

>>68912293
I bought the kindle version of harry potter 7 in japanese, it's pretty fun but i don't spend much time on it

is it possible to study more cards in anki after you hit your new card limit? say my limit is 10 cards but it's my day off work so i decide to do some power studying, how do i plow through 50 cards that day? would i have to increase the limit for that day only or is there a way to 'custom study'?

>>68912454
>harry potter
Are you the same deutsch who posted the 3DPD picture on the OP?

>>68912464
Is this question a joke?

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>>68912450
Yo dude, literally half the time you spend in this general is time telling people to fuck off. Why are you here, brazilian?

>>68912550
are you going to post the /lit/, /tv/ pasta about harry potter now?

How do I make kana and kanji font on my computer not small as balls?

>>68912594
i've only been here for a few hours now so i don't know what you are talking about
maybe you mistook me for another person? well i mean i do tell people to fuck off a lot but it's because they deserve it besides requesting music on a japanese learning thread is complete nonsense if you want to request music maybe go to /mu/ or something just don't go here this kind of stuff only attracts more outsiders who don't even want to learn japanese for example shitposters and that one lebanese who stayed in the thread for a bit but just fucked off afterwards after i told him to fuck off so that's why i tell people to fuck off because sometimes they just deserve it

>>68912638
Buy glasses. There is a reason why all asians wear them.

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Where can I find Japanese novels and manga downloads?

What I found via google never has what I'm looking for or incomplete.

>>68912873
I heard Japan is a good place to get such things

>>68912791
すごい物語、兄弟

>>68912638
You can try adjusting your DPI settings in Windows to make the font larger.

>>68912873
maybe if you weren't such a fucking newfag you'd know that there is a site called "nyaa.se"
also if you didn't find something this trivial through google you didn't try to find it

>>68912908
Didn't know they sell downloads in stores.
You massive fucking faggot.

>>68912638
Ctrl +. When you want to go back to reading English, Ctrl 0.

>>68913024
Nyaa fucking sucks for novels and manga.
It's fine for VNs and anime but that's it.

>>68913122
how about you use a streaming site then
yes a STREAMING site, since it would probably fit how much of a newfag you are
easily acessible and free, as long as you have adblock you're set

I wanna go to japan next year for a couple weeks. Money, transportation and a place to stay will not be an issue. What's a good period to go visit and have a shit load of fun while also seeing what's japan renown for? I'm inclined to go in the winter because comfy and I wanna go to one of those hot springs while it snows outside. I also wanna get a tattoo with something that really signifies japan as a whole (I'm getting a tattoo in every new country I visit). What do you suggest?

>>68913357
during tanabata

>>68913307
>>68913024
What are you even talking about you fucking hue hue shitskin?
Just stop replying or are you still salty about the 7:1 game faggot?

>>68913357
>has tattoos
>hot springs
Good luck

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>>68913357
>I also wanna get a tattoo with something that really signifies japan as a whole (I'm getting a tattoo in every new country I visit). What do you suggest?

>>68913357
Don't get a tattoo before you go or else you can kiss those hot springs goodbye.

>>68912952
>>68913066
I was hoping for a way that didn't require that. :^|

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>>68913357
wrong thread m8
go to >>68897227

also
>getting tattoos

>>68913467
not all of them

>>68913357
what tattoo did you get when you visited the usa?

>>68913420
nice argument
looks like you admit that you are newfag, but don't worry about it, you won't be one forever

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmHXtMHiUhI

>>68913440
>>68913467
I'm a white baka gaijin going to japan. Literally nobody would ever give a fuck about me and I'll be forgotten within the day, my buddies in japan assured me.

>>68913505
>Wanting to go to a onsen filled with the dregs of society
Well, I guess being a gypsy he'll fit in at least.

>>68913683
my uncle has been to bath houses with yakuza there plenty of times and said hes had interesting conversations with them. they may be bad people but its about the experience.

>>68913510
I haven't yet but I plan to next summer, going to Florida and I'll get a Colt SAA on my left shoulderblade pointing at 11 o'clock

>>68896133
Good riddance.

I hope no one studying Japanese in here jerks off to porn. It's bad for your Anki gains.

>>68896413
What's her name? I'm sure she has some normal shit.

>>68913784
>Colt SAA
>not a hamburger

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>>68913890
>about to procrastinate anki to look at this one doujin
>see your post
>mfw

>>68895166
she's cute

>>68912159
How old are you you fucking canadian NEET?

I wish I could go back to being a NEET for just one year.

>>68896366
>>68896451
She does gravure, no porn.

I have shit retention. When you remember new words, do you remember the kana writing, or do you remember the pronunciation? I usually remember the pronunciation rather than the writing, which is why I think I have such poor retention. It's easy to get the order of syllables mixed up, or confuse a similar sound in your head. However, whenever I try tor recall the kana writing for a word on a card, I can't help but remember the pronunciation first, and then come up with the writing from that, rather than remembering the writing. Is there a way I can break this bad habit, or is this just normal and fine, and by poor retention is probably due to something else?

Japanese ASMRtists are the best for listening. Actual ASMR not some anime girl screaming in your ears while licking them. I mean a gentle voice speaking slowly. Really moves at a nice speed for listening. Post some Japanese ASMR.

>>68914470
Thanks for ruining my day camarada. She looked like a big-titted version of a cashier at my local Family Mart who always stares at my chest and gets flustered that she can't control her eyes.

>>68914611
ASMR creeps me out and makes me feel like mentally ill neckbeard.

>>68914611
ASMR makes me feel lonely and depressed.

>>68914683
>He doesn't know Ai
Ayy

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"Anime was a mistake"

What did he mean by this?

>>68905571
That is 'S' in cursive.

>>68915163
he's pretty arrogant

Howl's moving castle and ponyo sucked

>>68914594
You're not doing anything wrong there, the pronunciation does come first. Lots of words have sounds which aren't represented in kana or can be said in different ways with casual speech, so being anal about hiragana "spelling" won't do you any good.

>>68916187
t. monolingual retard

>>68916429
t. retard who replies to deliberate shitposting

>>68905553
Practicing sheets with stroke order and tracing might help in your case.
>>68916187
Things don't get much better than that, unfortunately.

>>68916551
>Things don't get much better than that
What did he mean by this?

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>>68916549
t. retard who replies to retard who replies to deliberate shitposting

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>>68916641
let's not start this now, deutschman

>>68915163
Shitposting 101

>>68915163
Did he say that in english?

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>>68913357
>I also wanna get a tattoo with something that really signifies japan as a whole (I'm getting a tattoo in every new country I visit). What do you suggest?
Get this on your back.

>>68903601
She farting

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So this is how japanese people talk about going to the bathroom...(read from bottom to top)

>>68916973
That is a story of the Ghost Cat in Nabeshima clan, isn't it?

>>68920240
shoulda let the thread purge instead of bumping it

we need an op that isn't 3dpd

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>open manga
>see this
>close window

>>68920465
That's really simple, just takes a long time to read.

>>68920465
At least some kanjis are accompanied by furigana.
According to the DJT's guide, Yotsuba&! is a great manga for beginners.

>>68920607
>kanjis

>>68920428
>>>/jp/

>忙しい
>忙しない
ほとんど同義か

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YES
FINALLY

>>68921193
10k? How long did it take?

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I personally don't mind the 3DPD picture, but can we stop opening DJT with random, lazy pictures?

At least write DJT in it, tell people to read the guide and all that jazz.

OP pictures are an important part of our rich cultural heritage.

What decks to you guys use for Anki?
I've tried a handful of different decks, and I don't really like any of them. Two even had really ugly yellow card format.

>>68922087
Core 6k

>>68922087
My own deck

>>68914594
While I study everything in Japanese, I find it easier to remember readings in romaji. So I pay attention to the pronunciation, check the hiragana reading for duplicate/long vowels and then memorize it mentally converted into romaji.
Does anybody else do this?

>>68912159
I'm impressed. How long have you been doing it for?
Even if I could study that much I probably wouldn't spend on new cards/kanji, but grinding other skills, since I like kanjis to sink more slowly.

>>68896391
Lisa Loud?

>>68905340
Germany, you're trying to sabotage DJT since the move from /a/. Aren't you tired?
Besides, you created this thread in an unfitting manner that resembles the Japanese Thread then said it's better we merge. Give it up, stay there if you like it so much.

>>68913357
>tattooed gypsy
That would be a nice asset for Yakuza, actually. Maybe tattoo something that will tickle them fancy.

>>68922763
>I pay attention to the pronunciation, check the hiragana reading for duplicate/long vowels and then memorize it mentally converted into romaji
You're not gonna make it at that pace. That's one of the shittiest habits that you could develop while learning japanese.

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>>68921832
I agree with Brazil-fag.

I enjoy the real womenz and I think it's healthy for you f/a/ggots to get some real women in your eyes before you end up masturbating to loli porn and thinking tomboys are for [spoiler]hugging[/spoiler] or w/e other dumb ass faggot shit goes on in /a/.

Personally I've always hated /a/ and I'm glad we're away from that filth. They're not far from /jp/ in my eyes.

>>68923002
My whole life I have seen written words, not pictures in my mind whenever I think anything in Portuguese, English or any other language. It's a tough job to rewire your brain...

Can anyone comment on how difficult it is to read visual novels written by Eushelly? Would you recommend it for a first reading or is it too difficult for a first visual novel?

>>68926101
You should just read what is compelling to you. They will all be hard if it's your first time

>>68914611

got any recs?

>>68926101
Eushully has different authors that differ quite a bit in difficulty. They all have fantasy shit though.

>>68901766
this didnt work for me, help

>Learned mandarin
>can't speak japanese anymore
whoops
at least I (almost certainly) got my N1

>>68926878
what didn't work?

I just went on Tae Kims site for the first time on an actual computer, am I retarded for using the mobile apps Grammar Guide or should I be using the Complete Japanese Guide

>>68928144
Grammar guide is the only important part

>>68928158
cool beans

(●・∋・)ノ

>>68929102
お兄ちゃん、まじクール!!

>>68920465
honestly the furigana make it harder to read
my eyes can't focus on one line at a time

>>68920465
Reminder that furigana is fucking terrible if you want to learn to read.

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I'm quite sure I know only around 1800. Does KanjiGrid count radicals?

>>68915163
because anime was, is still reproducing weebs

>>68920465
mostly you can skip it in such a case. probably that scene means she is too professional and talking gibberish.

>>68927579
kanji color-rizer, im pretty sure i followed the steps

fuck you nippons
your fucking black'n'white cartoons deprived me from the sleep

>>68929882
No it counts kanji

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慰安婦の中に売春婦はいたと記述した教授に検察が懲役3年求刑した。戦争犯罪の被害者を侮辱したと言う訳で。

慰安婦全員が娼婦だったと言ったこともない。慰安婦は騙された人も徴用された人も娼婦もいたと言っただけなのに。

歴史的真実が何かはよく知らないが、侮辱だけで懲役三年って、なんだよ?この国はレイプも3年くらい求刑する。狂ってる。

ここに韓国を話しをしたのは、誰かこの記事を開会反応とかのまとめブログへ伝えてほしいから

韓国は恥を知らなきゃ

このままではいくら豊かになっても先進国になれない。

できるなら日本のマスコミでも報じてほしい

彼女の言うことが真実なら、これが歴史歪曲、捏造じゃないの

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翻訳処理した。

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Stop this cuck.

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>>68930498
Korea is not the democratic State but the totalitarianism State
早く亡命しな

>>68929285
This

It's honestly great if you want to learn how to speak, but for reading it only serves as a crutch. You're gonna end up remembering the furi' and not the kanji.

That's why I had to turn off my furigana setting on Kotoba. It was making things 2easy4speaking and 2nothing4reading.

Noob here, How do I use Anki effectively? For example what should I do if I see a word that's new? Should I just write it out 20 times? What about a word I've seen before but can't for the life of me remember the definition?

>>68933462
The word is second nature > Easy
Remember immediately > Good
Remember after a short or long pause > Hard
Don't remember or fuck it up > Again

Doesn't matter how old it is, if you don't remember the reading or definition then click again. For new words I think it's good to have them at the start of the review so that you can get multiple exposures as you do your revision. I just mash again until I remember them. If it's really fucking me over then I might write it down or do some other kind of rote learning.

I also recommend doing Custom Study > Review Forgotten Cards > 1 or 2 days, so that you get even more exposure to those new words and words you forgot.

>>68929882
That number is your total kanji in the deck. Unless you expect me to manually count all those rows and check if there are more than 1800 kanji there. In this case, you are out of luck.

>>68930058
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSLCKPjkaZo&feature=youtu.be

here you go anon

>>68933592
>Review Forgotten Cards > 1 or 2 days
What does this do? Isn't flunking a card naturally going to put it to be reviewed in 1 or 2 days?

>>68934047
It's just extra revision to help short term memory of new and forgotten cards. If you do anki in the morning and want to do revision of those cards same day in the afternoon or night, set it to 1 day. If you do anki late at night and want to revise the new and forgotten from yesterday in the morning, set it to 2 days.

Once you're done the cards go back into their main deck. Or, if you just partially do it, deleting the Custom Study Session deck will return them to their own deck.

>>68933592
I always do review forgotten cards -> 14 days after I finish my normal reps.

It seems like overkill but it actually saves time in the long run because it really irons out those sneaky bastards you read wrong every time for whatever reason. I realize that redundant brute force study is what SRS seeks to avoid, but there are special cases that call for it.

>>68929285
I just read whatever I want to read.
Whether or not it has furigana doesn't really matter to me.

>>68929285
I agree.

There's so much shit out there that I would have no problem reading if there weren't furigana, but I avoid it because the eyes are always distracted by it, and you wind up reading so much slower

>>68936000
14 days? How many new cards do you do each day, and how many cards are added in the 14 day custom study deck?

>>68936925
At this point it's usually 60 cards a day

and the accumulation of the mistakes in the past two weeks is another 60 cards

I know I'm doing well when that second number shrinks. Also really incentivizes me not to make lazy mistakes, or else I'll be seeing that card again every day for the next two weeks

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"Open the borders. Stop having it be closed."

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So, /djt/, a question for you about speaking practice.

I've lived in JP as a graduate student for half a year, came here N3+, now close to N2 (took it this session, not sure if I passed, but wasn't outright failing either). But that's understanding-wise, I still can't really speak or write without making a dozen grammatical mistakes in a simple frase.
So, anyway, a Jap girl from the university invited me out a few weeks ago, and we chatted at a cafe for a few hours. Fast-forward next week, same thing. Still interested in me, that's surprising. I'm your average socially awkward /a/utist, and not really interested in anything to do with 3DPD (besides, she is 6/10, and that's being pretty generous), so I consider these meetings pure language practice.

Is it worth continuing, or is oral practice a meme unless you are at a really high level, where you just need to hone your ability to express yourself the way natives do? 'Cuz my greedy little kokoro breaks everytime I shell out those several thousand yen for the both of us, and besides these events scare me shitless.

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>>68937942
>thinly-veiled "I talk to girls" post

what kind of response are you expecting?
"no, speaking to people in Japanese is actually BAD"

fuck off

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njN-pBqvNMI

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>>68937942
凡人、出て行け

>>68937554
Interesting. Though 14 days sounds too much, I actually might incorporate a longer revision span, maybe 7 to start with. It sounds like it's really helping you.

>>68938181
sure, "average gook girl scares the shit out of autistic anon" is such a bragpost.

And I wanted a response if this kind of practice at my level is worth all the goddamn trouble.

>>68938299
once again, take a step back and think about how retarded your question is:
>is having natural immersive conversation actually helping me
god /a/ niggers are the worst

>>68938291
Yeah go for it lad. 7 is fine too.
The review block might be large at first, but if it winds up helping you, it will shrink with time.

>>68938408
well, it didn't in English until I was
> at a really high level, where you just need to hone your ability to express yourself the way natives do

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風邪を引いちゃったと思う、やることはたくさんあるのに

>>68938451
if you're talking for hours in a natural setting with a native speaker it is helping you

you're posting like a teenage bitch right now, except instead of saying "guys Im soo ugly >_<" and waiting for the compliments to roll in, you want us to massage your language prostate for you and say "go get em tiger"

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I love Japanese niggas, just look at these niggas they goin to fuck you up if you talk shit about anime

>>68938549
please dont post pictures of my son

>>68938012
She's so sweet and cute <3

>>68938598
please dont talk about my daughter that way

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(´・ω・｀)

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>>68938598


>>68938549
"Heard you say my waifu a shit"

>>68938622
I'm sorry, don't be offended sempai.
I meant : she's so hot and fuckable.

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>>68938639
汗だらけのおっぱいを舐めたい

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>>68938847

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>>68938639
>>68938012
太い

>>68938941
アメリカ人は太い女が好きじゃないって前代未聞だろう

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>>68937942
>paying
Holy shit, get your shit together.
Speaking is always a good thing. There are people who can barely write their names in Katakana but can hold a conversation because they learned the language by pidginning their way up.

If you don't like spending money, go to the local park instead and talk to old people around, just stop pretending you're out of alternatives for finding Japanese people in fucking Japan.

>>68938439
>Check what 7 days forgotten words is
>160+ cards
Fuck. Well, as you say, it'll get smaller.

>>68938847
Who is this

>>68940349
Megumi Yamano, she isn't very interesting though, I just love dem tits

Do you lot still do the rote memorization of vocabulary flash cards and using a dictionary program when you inevitably forget said vocabulary while "read"ing "VNs"? Or has the technique evolved beyond that by now?

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>>68940494
I don't know what you mean. I do anki everyday though

>>68940494
I hope you're at least trilingual if you want to advocate on how to learn languages properly. Your personal Nippongo experience alone is by no means a trustworthy ruler..

>>68941790
Is it really hard to be trilingual in these days? A monkey could learn spanish, and you can use your spanish to learn french, and assuming you speak a language originally that's 3.

>>68942184
Well, even a monkey can learn Japanese, eventually.
What I'm saying is you're mocking a method that works, even if it's not optimal to you.

I learned English through English media and Wiktionary still saves my ass sometimes. I don't see why doing the same in Japanese would be a bad idea (although that's personally not how I approach my Japanese studies).

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>>68942457
>I don't see why doing the same in Japanese would be a bad idea
There may or may not be far more English media out there than Japanese and the quality may or may not be far superior.

>>68942457
The method in question leaves the learner completely unable to speak or write, and doesn't do much for their listening either. All they can do is have kind of an idea of what's going on in erotic story games. Which is why I was asking if the method updated.

>>68942626
English people don't speak at a million miles an hour in blurs of syllables indiscriminate of when one word ends and the other begins.

>>68942626
>There may or may not be far more English media out there than Japanese
It's not like I'm going to run out of Japanese media to consume

>There may or may not be far more English media out there than Japanese and
That's subjective though

>>68942765
>English people don't speak at a million miles an hour in blurs of syllables indiscriminate of when one word ends and the other begins.
Well, they do. In fact you may find yourself hard-pressed to find words that extend past two pronounced syllables in English in daily conversation.

For instance, the words I've used: instance, hard-pressed, pronounced, conversation.

All of it is compressed in two clusters of consonants with some vowel cues.
[ins - tans] [hard - prest] [pro - nounst] [conv - sayshn]
Arguably I might be going a bit too far with the "conversation" compression, but you get the gist, it's not like nips don't have tri/polysyllable words themselves.

I got myself thinking about this recently, and I even did some tests in Portuguese. In our case, trisyllable words are pretty common if you only count up to the stressed syllable, but that already shows a bit more of structured grammar dependency than, say, English, where word order cuts a lot of corners in a way not possible in Portuguese.

But if you take in account dialects, there are some around here that really manage to compress the language past even native comprehension, like PT-PT, Minas Gerais and Northeastern accents.

cont.

>>68942626
If the volume and quality of Japanese media isn't to your liking, that's too bad. In that case your journey will be much harder, both practically and in terms of motivation. When this thread was in /a/, it could be assumed that everyone was capable of finding raw Japanese content that they enjoy, but perhaps /int/ isn't quite so capable...

>>68942765
On the method discussion, I agree a crutch is not the best approach, but it is the easiest approach to get things done. Many wouldn't have the motivation to learn it in an "ideal" way. Me included, as I bruteforce vocabulary via Anki.

But as long as you keep a conscious mind about your studying and try to apply what you learn (discussion forums, watching Japanese media [which I think 99% here do anyway], studying production in parallel), all the previously mentioned crutches will become useful.

Words often won't come out of the tip of my tongue, but after looking up at Jisho and actually using it, somehow it becomes a stronger method of reviewing than Anki for that particular word. Building memories play a great part in this.

>>68942626
I for one consume English and Japanese media in a similar proportion, and there's a virtually infinite source for more. Not sure what you mean here.

>>68942765
Speaking and writing can be added to "the method" with a microscopic effort, and there's nothing to prevent you learning those things later even if you completely ignore them.

>All they can do is have kind of an idea of what's going
What the fuck does this mean?

>>68943430
Don't be a retard. You ever watch Japanese TV? Or do you just watch anime and call it at that?

>>68943905
>What the fuck does this mean?
See? It's not a good method for learning languages.

>>68944005
I don't watch any TV, japanese or otherwise. Even if they speak a whole other language just for the TV I wouldn't give a fuck, but it's probably just the same language they use everywhere else so why on earth would it matter?

>>68944535
>why on earth would it matter?
Try watching Japanese TV sometime. 90% of it is variety shows and soap operas.

>>68940460
It seems that Megumi is Furuya Megumi now.
She was popular ten years ago.

>>68940494
$10 says this guy has been studying for over 2 years and still doesn't have N1

>>68944653
So you are actually saying NOT to watch TV, right?

I will never understand the "anime is not Japanese" meme. You have to be really retarded to think any televised media anywhere depicts actual common speech.

And you have to be doubly retarded to think learning more stiff/artificial language used in these pieces of fiction add no actual knowledge to your repertoire.

Nobody's going to go out there and speak like Kokoro-nyan, even anime shows there are more slurred and formal ways of speaking. Unless you consume SoL 24/7, you can be in contact with several speaking styles and get a feel for the social context in which each one is used.

>>68947012
>I will never understand the "anime is not Japanese" meme. You have to be really retarded to think any televised media anywhere depicts actual common speech.
there really is a big difference between dubbed stuff and actual speech though

in anime they always speak very clearly, almost never mumble, slur or other shit

The Remembering the kanji link in the guide appears to be broken

>>68947012
>So you are actually saying NOT to watch TV, right?
No, I'm saying there's a big difference between English media and Japanese in terms of quality and availability. If you don't like variety shows, the news, soap operas, or anime, you're pretty much stuck. Whereas in America there's so much content you can satisfy pretty much any niche genre you want to watch at the moment.

And therein lies the difference between learning something like English which a lot of people do through media, and learning something like Japanese which a lot of people struggle with: compelling content.

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Do you guys want to live in Japan or why do you take JLPT?

I personally consider working there for 2-3 years to get better at the language and have fun.
The problem seems to be that you already have to be fluent to work there I guess.

I really would like to stay in Japan for a while, but I can't really imagine living there forever.

>>68948345
>Whereas in America there's so much content you can satisfy pretty much any niche genre you want to watch at the moment
nah it's all just tv series

>>68913665
Depends. I know a girl who was refused entrance at a public bath because she had a tattoo even though it was just a little music note on her arm.

>>68948345
>learning something like Japanese which a lot of people struggle with
That projecting tho

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>>68948405
>>68948509
Nope.

>>68948509
I don't think he's projecting, he's rather made a fair assumption there.

>>68948391
I have zero intention to ever live there

> Long work hours
> Low salary for Programmers
> Xenophobia

I just want to sing along to J-pop and read VNs... Is that a weird reason to learn this language?

>>68948610
omg what did he mean byt his

>>68948624
same here, sort of... I have no interest in VNs, they seem to be concentrated autism

>>68947723
Did you stop reading there?

>>68948345
Ah, I see. Personally I haven't learned enough Japanese to go after more niche stuff, but can you name a few types of content formats that wouldn't be available in Japanese?

I have watched a few documentaries, interviews, vlogging, instructional videos and drawing tutorials in Japanese and they seemed pretty watchable.

Of course there will be less content as Japanese is not a lingua franca, but eh, Japan is still relatively big when it comes to audiovisual media.

>>68948755
>concentrated autism
>4chan
>djt

>>68948624
Anything that motivates is fine. On another note, Japanese doesn't seem to be a very practical language in such a context.

>>68948624
>being scared of xenophobia
are all leafs pussies?

>>68948909
They've been hard at work since the 60s to erase Canada's real history and replace it with a foundation of multiculturalism (the first country in the world to declare such ridiculousness)

>>68949034
i bet you believe that jews are controlling america
just admit that you are a pussy

>>68948280
Fixed.

>>68949170
Well it is a project stemming from marxist theories, and Marx was jewish, so in that sense yes. However the globalists attempting to erase borders and centralize their global hegemonic power structure are far from being only jews.

As for Canada, Pierre Trudeau (father of our current president) was best friends with Castro, and he labeled Canada as being first and foremost for migrants and multiculturalism. It's not tin foil shit, but I wouldn't expect a brown mutt like you to understand the importance of ethnic and cultural heritage.

>>68949406
where does japan fit in this
also where are all your immigrants, apparently canada is supposed to be "multiculturalist" but i only see leafs there

>>68925989
Are you me? I tried to explain to people that imagining images is hard for me when I hear conversation. Easy for ideas from books, but when learning words, I just see the words

>>68949766
You have autism

>>68949737
I was replying to your ignorant comment implying that jews don't have disproportionate influence in America. Where the fuck was Japan in your comment you stupid sub-human.

>>68949915
you still haven't explained how japan has anything to do with your tin foil fantasy and you probably don't know how

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>>68937812

>>68950076
Nice reading comprehension. I'm starting to see why you guys couldn't even maintain a good ph balance in your pools during the olympics.

>>68948909
It's not so much being scared as it being aware that I'd be worse of their.

>>68949034
Canada is sort of multicultural, Acceptance and stuff is preached in school but if you go to any major University, you will see allot of racism. Brown people hating white people . White people hating brown people . Chinese people hating white people ect...

This country is still a very nice place to live in my opinion.

>>68949183
Thanks!

>>68950210
lmaaaaaoooooooooo roasted xDDD

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Do we get to go back on /a/ now that Modcat is dead?

>>68951051
Yup. Go make a thread, we'll be right there.

Japanese may be xenophobic or not, I don't know, but they are certainly civilised. So long as you show respect and support yourself properly what's the worst that can happen?

>>68949170
>>68949406
>>68949737
>>68949915
>>68950076
>>68950210
Yep, we /int/ now. Also, all of those conspiracy theories are laughably ridiculous. Conspiracies of that size would be sniffed out very quickly, especially with all the tinfoil nutjobs whining about it all the time.

>>68948855
>Of course there will be less content as Japanese is not a lingua franca
It's not about Japanese being a lingua franca. It's about economy. Think about the amount of Canadian, British, and Australian shows that get made every year and how many are watched around the world. They just can't keep up in quality because their home markets don't have the advertising support. American TV shows are made for ads, not DVD sales (which are paltry in comparison).

I mean, look at what America did for The Office. The British version was done in 2 seasons, the American version had 11 and was watched worldwide. The American version was just better entertainment.

Why the fuck did you people move this thread off /a/? Everything is so fucking confusing now because there is one thread on /JP/ one on /int/ and a shit ton of people who have no idea what happened to the djt

Anyway

>駅のホームで待っていたら行きたい駅のホームはここでいいのか聞かれて...
伝わったかもしれないけどうまく言えなかった自分が情けないなって思って...

What the fuck does this mean? Context was a girl said that she didn't know how to communicate her feelings in English, and said something about the word 'cowardly'. I responded by asking her what she was trying to say and she responded with that.

Is the v2k anki deck any good? It says the one I use teaches you newspaper shit, and this v2k deck is from japanese media. Here's a leddit link
https://www.reddit.com/r/LearnJapanese/comments/4o4exw/kickstart_learning_japanese_with_visual_novels/

>>68952137
Are you the same guy who always asks questions while giving only his own possibly flawed English interpretation of the context instead of the context itself and then gets called out by me and others for being an idiot?

Because you really need to start posting the Japanese context with your retard questions if you want good answers.

>>68952137
Long story short, mod went on rampage over generals, DJT was the only one kicked off the board (to /int/). Some anons didn't want to stay on /int/ and found that /jp/ didn't delete the threads.
So now we have two. This one is superior though.
>駅のホームで待っていたら行きたい駅のホームはここでいいのか聞かれて...
>伝わったかもしれないけどうまく言えなかった自分が情けないなって思って...
Someone or some people were waiting at a train platform and asked her "Is this the right platform to get to (the train platform they want to go)?" and she fumbled her English and felt ashamed.

>>68952137
>駅のホームで待っていたら行きたい駅のホームはここでいいのか聞かれて...
after waiting at the station platform, being asked if this is the station platform where I wanted to go

I don't quite get the ここでいいのか here though

>伝わったかもしれないけどうまく言えなかった自分が情けないなって思って...
maybe it came through but I couldn't quite express it, thinking aren't I pathetic

>>68947723
>in anime they always speak very clearly, almost never mumble, slur or other shit

In anime they often yell though, which is just as hard to understand. Go watch the "high school girls" sections of nichibros and tell me they are easy to understand.

Drama will be more helpful in terms of understanding actual people though. There's no reason not to watch a variety of stuff.

>>68952738
But yelling just makes the speech clearer. Especially when it's scripted.

>>68951708
>taking Canadians seriously
Why would you do that, they're the worst shitposter on the entire board

v5m,vi

On rikai what do the different verbs means? Like how they conjugate and all of that?

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How to fix my retention rate without decreasing daily new cards?
Or is this normal?

t. on day 6 or 7

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>>68953010

>>68953010
>>68953057
Also how do I change what time I want next session to be due?

I fucked up two days ago by not reviewing until like 8pm and now it won't let me practice until that time, but I'd much rather review in the afternoon instead when I'm fresh

>>68952994
http://rikaisama.sourceforge.net/#abbreviations

>>68952994
vi= verb intrasitive
v5m= go look it up you lazy burger

>>68952994
http://rikaisama.sourceforge.net/#abbreviations

v5m Godan verb with `mu' ending
vi intransitive verb

>>68952713
I didn't ask the question, but the 行きたい駅のホームは part confuses me.

Is it "station's platform that I want to go to" or "platform to get to the station I want to go to"?
I don't understand why they'd ask how to get to a specific platform in a certain station, as though the train may go to the right station but not the right platform or something.

It's hilarious how the DJT on /jp/ gets hate everytime they remake the thread which puts it back on page 1. They are so delusional about the "cultures" being so similar between DJT and /int/, yet half their thread ends up being meta-posting telling them to fuck off even after 3 weeks of trying.

The /int/ version gets a lot less hate and stabilized a lot quicker, which shows it has more of a place here than on /jp/.

>>68953612
>station's platform that I want to go to
That one. And ここでいいのか is basically saying "is this the right place" or "is this the right way".
Perhaps they are trying to get to a transfer point or something.

On reflection, it also sounds like "Is this the place I wanted to go to?" which sounds better.

>>68953664
posters on /jp/ don't like people that actually have a genuine interest in japan and they don't like being reminded that there are people with actual ambitions
anything outside their comfort zone gets attacked, they are very hateful and sad people

>>68953802
Sorry red southern cross, I remember you being the only poster with that flag since the move, and I remember you being one of the autists who shit on here and moved to the /jp/ DJT. Now I see where all the falseflagging accusations over there comes from. You're the ones falseflagging this thread to encourage more traffic on /jp/. Now it's clear why you shitters hate flags, it's because now you can't self-reply and falseflag as easily on here as opposed to /a/ and /jp/.

>>68952854
>But yelling just makes the speech clearer.

No, it absolutely does not. Just try it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELCxExFQLI4

>>68954008
I wonder why mods deleted his post :^)

>>68954244
She just screams weirder than usual, you understand it if you try hard enough
It's a character trait

>>68954424
>you understand it if you try hard enough

In other words, it is harder to understand than normal speech, and your previous statement was completely false. Yeah, that's exactly what I was saying.

>>68951548
Some old men were looking down on me like I was a piece of shit, saying something about gaijins but I couldn't understand them cause they were whispering.

I once went to a restaurant where they didn't speak English and they literally told me to fuck off cause "there is no English menu available" even though I said it's fine in fucking Japanese.

Another guy called me a shitty foreigner cause I took to long to buy a ticket for the subway.

People were rude in other situations as well but I can't tell if this was due to racism or not.
I mean most people were friendly as fuck but I also met some rude people in my 3 week trip, kinda makes me wonder how it feels like having to deal with that everyday.

>>68954680
I deal with rude people here too