Russian real incomes fall 5.6% this year from last.

>>68868762
>5,6%
Ha, who cares. We survived the 90's with 400% inflation.

I often wonder how desperate is the West for needing so much to bash Russia at every opportunity

>>68869227

you dont win at life by enduring a shit environment;

hopefully all those churkas left with the economic downturn

yikes

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>>68869336

>>68869336
Why do you care so much about Russia, the tundra is an unsuitable climate for monkeys.

>>68868762
most russians are paid ubder the table

average russian have better living standards than any eastern europans and better than greeks and portugese

THIS IS JUST WESTERN PROPAGANDA

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>>68869687
>than any eastern europans and better than greeks and portugese

>>68869687
> most russians are paid ubder the table
true
> average russian have better living standards than any eastern europans and better than greeks and portugese
false

>>68869817
>false

everything is super cheap in Russia(gas, groceries, cigaretes, alcohol) and actually quality is excelent

average wage in Russia is 500euro..most people get another 500 under the table

so living standards(purchasing power) is better than in greece, estonia, czechia or portugal

Why are Russians so fucking poor and die so early

>>68870050
No, come on. It's fine here, but not better than any of these countries.

>>68870050
>average wage in Russia is 500euro..most people get another 500 under the table

maybe in moscow and norilsk

>>68870102
Communism.

>>68870050
> A Czech lecturing an actual Russian over the quality of life in his own country

>>68868762
Boy, I sure am glad i dont live in Russia.

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>>68868762
Russians earn more than Latvians, Mexicans, Turks, Brazilians and South Africans.

>>68870050
500 under the table? I've heard that an average Russian makes 5000€ monthly plus free healthcare and fitness club membership.
All this under the table of course, so that the werstern pigs are deceived.

>>68870350
Even my Russian gf talks about these under the table salary and she completely hates Russia.

>>68868762
Look whos fucking talking.
Hows your dad handling slaving away for his corporate overlords just so you and mommy can munch on cancerous food in front of your new Panasonic™ TX-40DS400B 40-Inch 1080p Full HD Smart LED TV with Freeview HD.

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>>68870350
no under the table money in bolan? just working like a idiot in german factory :D :D

>>68870263
would you mind it if i moved to your cunt but stayed home most of the time

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>>68870050
t. retard

>>68870393
but you don't have a russian gf, only your chinese cartoons

>>68870476
only if u learn Estonian (gl with that its literally inpossible language even estonians cannot speak it correctly)

I wonder how butthurt Putin is seeing how Estonia became hugely successfull after leaving USSR

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>>68870050
Either you are living in Suddetenland or just trolling.
Some goods might be relatively cheaper in Russian, but living cost is higher, pay is lower and public services are abyssmal.
Source: My dad drives trucks for living.

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>>68870516
>posts statistics that take into account homophobia and politics

Bravo Estonia, truly the best country in the universe.

>>68870516
I'd rather live in eastern europe than Sweden

>>68870564
ok
thanks
> cannot speak it correctly
kek

>>68870462
I wish I could emigrate to glorious Russia and enjoy their world-class infrastructure, welcoming people and unrivalled safety.

Meanwhile I live in poor, disgusting and nazi Gayrope, Sad!

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>>68870593
polska market

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>>68870544
Excuse me?

>>68870593
5 Rubbles added to your account tovarysh.

>>68870606
have a banana little monkey u seem stressed. Dont u have any drug cartels to supply or any zika to catch?

>>68870657
me on the left when buying my first pig after 10 years of work

>>68870570
and I have family in Russia so I have bretty gud sources

>>68870631
They can, put not perfectly. Its one of the oldest and hardest languages in world

>>68870564
>how butthurt Putin is
Why should he care about you being more successful?

>>68870669
You're both ugly in your own way.

>>68870669
>Russian
You got the Tatar model, you got scammed Paolo.
Varanty should be still good. If I were you I would demand my money back.

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>>68870606

>>68870641
> welcoming people
that's actually true
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCHD1YdOiEo
>>68870737
wonder why would you need 14 cases

>>68870669
OUT OF HERE NORMALFAG

>>68870762
he sure makes it his heart thing to call us Fasists, nazi supporters or fucking with us

>>68870792
>Russia is pretty close to Latvia and Lithuania
Didn't expect that.

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>>68868762

>>68870669
>Russian

also what the fuck are your eyebrows

>>68870835
>to call us Fasists, nazi supporters
When was the last time Putin made any public statements about Estonia?

>>68870776
>the Tatar model
You mean the Finnish model, ushanochkin

>>68870803
Indeed, he got almost killed only twice there. In Europe he would be bombed immediately.

>>68870736
Just because your familly sells old cars and young whores in the better part of Jekarinburg doesnt mean the Russian overall quality of life is better than here.

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>>68870792
like I said

500euro wage+500euro under the table

so REAL RUSSIAN NUMBER IS 140

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>>68870847
When they tell u how good baltics are they really mean how good estonia is. Lithuania and Latvia are shite. Btw Estonia is the #1 smartest cunt in Europe

>>68870920
My calculations say it's closer to 300

>>68870669
Your girlfriend is the epitome of "meh".
But I would fuck you Favelachkin :3

>>68870920
Are you retarded?
Money under the table is made everywhere, thats not exclusive to russia. You can easily make a few K a month extra here when growing weed for example.

>>68870937
>these stats
Estonians are honorary Mongols, I see.

>>68868762
But what about other countries?

>>68870900
true
>be European
>get cucked
>then trucked
>then blown the fuck up

>>68870989
yeah but EVERYONE in Russia is paid under the table

not lie some dutch hippie students

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>>68870669
>So desesperated to convince that unironically bost a photo

>>68870920
hahahahaha no son
>>68870895
We have a gigantic military hike to remember those who died in WW2. Putin called it "glorifying nazism", thus deeply insulting Estonians.Its like saying 9th of may celebration is celebrating Stalin killing all those Russian people

>>68871086
nice argument you fucking fashist

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>>68870920
You can find skyscrapers and at least one good mall everywhere.
What we are dealing with here is the cost of living and quality of public services and that will go below the already low leve it is in now.
Who gives shit about hospitals when Batuska Putin needs to stock up fro ww3.

>>68871052
>dutch black money market is estimated around 100 billion yearly
thats even more than putin was able to steal during all of his career)))))))

>>68871086
>Putin called it "glorifying nazism"
And when was that? I remember 10 years ago media were calling you "fashisty", but those times are gone.

>>68871228
Last year

>>68869227
>We survived
pls you even didnt exist back in the days
>>68869687
>>68870050
you're idiot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhGea7un3zk

>Russian get 500 Eur in a month
I wish to know where?
My friend gets 110 EUR per month

>>68871358
lies
you are proxy ukrainian and a nazi as well

>>68871328
>didnt exist back in the days
I was born in the USSR, btw.

>>68870669
If this is real she's gross.
>>68870707
You look pretty happy. Congratulations.

>>68871358
lol whut is the minimum wage? Its 410 euros here. Btw i make 2400 euros as a cyber security specialist

>>68871415
Nah. I am just a medical worker

>>68871469
7500 rubles if I recall correctly

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Hey russia! Poland's toilets are dirty! HAHAHA

>>68871534
lmao whats that in Euros

>>68871534
Where do you live? Telephone operators get around 25k here

>>68871358
Try finding a job instead of whining about Putin. Fuggin gommies.

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>>68870669
why would you ever post your girlfriend on 4chan

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>>68871612
average polacks have just 6´% higher living standards than indian

so mb tey have toilets but polacs are poo tier

>>68871635
Tver

I am a medic so there is that. You need at least 2 jobs to be able to pay for the room.

My groupmate has 3 jobs

>>68871635
Minimum wage is not the average wage.

>>68871722
purchasing power isn't a proxy for living standards. it just shows you what you can get for a standard amount of money

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>>68871635
you are stupid as fuck.

>>68871828
hey, you're welcome to move to DC
>>68871846
Right. I sometimes mix up average, median and minimal wages

>>68871641
kys

>>68871470
PROXY HOHOL

>>68871722
how many cows can an indian afford?
me 2,5

>>68871961
Are you offering him to kill himself so you'll have more work as a medic?

>>68871952
I have a better plan.
I will move to Germany to study more once I will get that degree I need.

>>68872055
he's a medic mate not a funeral director

>>68872085
How old are you? Which degree?

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>>68870736
Oh, so you are another Russian living here because you kinda realize Russia is a horrible shithole, but you defend it everywhere you walk anyway. How typical.

>Lmaoing my ass of finding out that 25k rubles is way below our minimum wage and if i lived in Russia id be a millionaire

>>68871981
>a single person in Poland can afford more than 2 cows
Fucking capitalists pigs. My village of 500 people have 2 cows, while one of them is granted by the government. Why is Poland so rich?

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>>68869227
>400% inflation

>>68872220
25k is 390 euros, I wouldn't call it "way below" the 410 euros.

>>68872220
>estonians talking about wealth

>>68872220
>if i lived in Russia id be a millionaire
You dreams may come true, in a way or another

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>>68869227
This.

>>68872358
lol

>>68872337
ivan is still defending his poor shithole. that's why our country always will be garbage. our people even cant face the reality.

>>68869425
That is literally what evolution is.

The Slav is the Waterbear of Humans, he will live long

>>68872224
In my village I'm rich.
Village chief come and say:
"You rich Grzegorz, you truly can afford it all"
And they make me pay in milk for people who used to work in tyre factory
Poland rich in Soviet Union, we make tyre everyone happy
now no

>>68872091
with that wage he is

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>>68872280
I remember playing with Soviet rubles as a kid, money were cheaper than the paper they were printed on.

>>68872459
>390 is somehow way below 410
>accusing me of wrong reality perception

>>68872621
lmao literally noone makes minimum wage here. Actual bottom line is 500 euros. I make 2.5k kek

>>68868762
Poor ruskies, wish we could bring them in as refugees instead of syrians.

It's crazy because you can show Russians how much their situation sucks and they will always shrug and say, "At least it's better than the '90s."

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>>68872474
>he will live long
not if they're too depressed to fuck
and this is with 20% muslim population

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>>68872948
>"At least it's better than the '90s."
I keep telling myself that to not kill myself.

>>68873135
I generally hate extremely nationalistic people whether they are from America or Russia or wherever, but I feel bad for people like you.

Do you have a university degree/skills? Whereabouts do you live?

>>68872948
>their situation sucks
>it's better than the '90s
These two contradict. What we have now is incomparable to what we had in the 90s. And its not just about wealth even, it is also security and many other things.

>>68868762
:(((((((((((((((

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>>68873168
>Do you have a university degree
Yep.
>Whereabouts do you live?
Commieblockburg.

>>68873188
Your situation is much better than the 1990s but it's not very good once you compare it to other countries.

Moreover, the security issue is overblown. The USA spends an enormous amount of money on its military, but it would be much more beneficial to spend it on infrastructure, education, healthcare, etc.

If Russia gave up its big military spending in exchange for better education, infrastructure, and so on, the country would be much better off.

>>68872371
No one actually wants to hurt Russia. No one wants a war with russia. The problem is stupidity of Russian people who always defend their government, which hurts the country much more than any foreign power by isolatioanism, corruption and shit. If the people buy into propaganda and then vote for anti-world isolationist scum who should be blamed for it? The answer is Russians themselves. They chose the path. Not world hates Russia, Russia hates the world.

>>68873406
>>68873413
I'm not talking about military, i'm talking about crime. And our defense budget is ~5%, hardly soviet levels.

>>68873342
Apply to the US visa lottery

>>68873413
>people buy into propaganda and then vote for anti-world isolationist scum who should be blamed for it? The answer is Russians
>people voted for Trump on the other side of the planet
>it's still Russians fault
Kek

>>68873674
I'm playing since 2008.

>>68871612
gg nippon ally

>>68873517
>And our defense budget is ~5%, hardly soviet levels.
The way things are going, it's hard enough to fulfill that much.

>>68873413
>No one wants a war with russia
Yea I am always really confused when Russians say that we (American citizens) want a war with you. I don't even think we hate you, we just don't like your government.

>>68873966
The idea of a war between nuclear powers is laughable unless we're talking about India and Pakistan.

>>68873406
>If Russia gave up its big military spending in exchange for better education, infrastructure, and so on, the country would be much better off.

They wouldn't be Russia in that case.

The thing you must understand about the Russian is that he values strength and macho posturing above all else. He can be freezing/starving/living under a despotic government, but if he looks out the window of his crumbling commieblock with junkies passed out in the grass and sees a truck towing a Topol mobile ICBM pass by, he smiles and thinks "Ah, all is right with the world."

>>68873951
Things are going fine in my opinion, and no it's not that hard.

I visited Russia last year.
Very nice place if you have money, but hell on earth if you are poor. If I ever end up rich I will move there. Also good as a tourist.

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>>68868762
>Be Russian

>Drink Bath Lotion

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/12/19/33-people-dead-from-alcohol-poisoning-after-drinking-bath-lotion-in-siberian-city/?utm_term=.764ea4dbbebc

>>68872180
Diaspora are always the biggest, most insecure chest-beating patriots as they chose to live in a Western country on welfare.

>>68874340
Natural selection at its finest.

>>68874415
Very true, they're usually completely insufferable.
Of course, when asked why don't they just go back there if it's so good, they come up with some bullshit excuses.
>>68874079
Modernization has definitely slowed down since the recent economic crisis.
Although you're probably right that it's not too big of an issue if we are to compare other things such as the reliance on energy for exports and general corruption.

>>68874577
>Modernization has definitely slowed down since the recent economic crisis.
Yeah, definitely, especially with the oil prices and sanctions.

>>68870669
You look better than her

>>68874340
>Irkutsk
>Russia’s sixth-largest city, with a population of 1.1 million
It's 22nd-largest city with a population of 600k.

>>68869336
there is a expression in french "qui aime bien, châtie bien" wich mean you bullied the one you like because you care about him. I think everybody like russia here

>>68875384
how peculiar that there is a saying in russian as well that goes: the one who beats you, loves you

franc- sorry, new north africa confirmed for slavic untermensch

>>68868762
So what do you suggest to us? Leaving Syria to Qatar so we would lose 100% instead of 5?

>>68873413
Mamy people just see that russians themselves have no qualitees needed to build succesfull society. They are egoistic and lazy. Most of them, us are. Our government is an essentional continuation of our folk. People un government are like everyone here. Ok, are like most of us. Most russians lie, steal, work badly etc etc etc.That's our nature. Every folk gets life it really wants. This is our zone of comfort: minimum responsibility and work/thriving therefoew minimal wealth.

>>68876521
Nobody cares very much about Russia's involvement in Syria. However, it was a big mistake to annex Crimea and get involved in Eastern Ukraine.

>>68868762
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-12-14/russia-overtakes-china-in-bofaml-ranking-of-top-emerging-markets

/thread

>>68877339
Ahem. Crimea was detached from Ukraine by Khrushchev in the 1950s when he was probably drunk or something. They attempted to secede from Ukraine in 1993 but Kiev refused. Please educate yourself better.

>>68876702
This is true. Russians by and large are too dumb to achieve any lasting success. A lot of it is due to the bad climate and geography, and because most Russians have no contact with the outside world or any awareness that there's a better way of doing things.

Thanks to globalization and technology, this problem may be ameliorated somewhat. But even if Russia did become a functional multiparty democracy, it still will never be a First World economic giant for the simple reason of its unfortunate geography and climate. It's very big, very cold, much of the population far away from civilization, and it's a rather poor place for agriculture.

>>68877605
I don't personally care about Russia doing that, but they simply could have destroyed Ukraine economically without resorting to war and made them rely on Moscow without ever getting sanctions and such.

I'm well aware of the referendums in the 1990s. The issue is that Russia unilaterally occupied and annexed it and went against any sort of international law/norms.

>>68877922
>but they simply could have destroyed Ukraine economically

There's nothing there to destroy.

>>68877993
You're mistaken

>>68878078
I mean, what part of Ukraine's "economy" are you gonna destroy? The CP industry? Lyl.

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>I measure a countries worthiness and standing in the world by only measuring economic data given by the (((IMF))).

>>68877802
>it's a rather poor place for agriculture
http://www.world-grain.com/articles/news_home/World_Grain_News/2016/08/USDA_Russia_to_become_worlds_l.aspx?ID=%7B60FDD356-F68F-43DA-AFEE-4E486EA8548F%7D&cck=1

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>>68870641
I don't know who you are trying to mock here, Russia has a better infrastructure than you.

>>68876702
I wouldn't say Russians necessarily dislike having a successful society per se, problem is their idea of "success" is how many nuclear weapons they have, not having adequate standards of living or non-corruption or transparent government. By that metric of course, Pakistan must be a superpower because they have nukes. We'd all laugh at that notion pretty hard.

And of course having a stronk army to defend yourself from invasion is ultimately tilting at windmills when your country is so shitty that nobody actually wants to invade it and there's nothing there to plunder.

>>68873413
>No one actually wants to hurt Russia
Tip fucking kek. Eastern Europeans almost get a heart attack when they hear the word 'Russia' and literally shit bricks when they hear about Putin. A Pole would sell his family without hesitation if he had the chance to nuke Russia in return. Your country causes so much butthurt, I'm jelly.

>>68878264
MOAR

>>68874577
>Very true, they're usually completely insufferable.
>Of course, when asked why don't they just go back there if it's so good, they come up with some bullshit excuses.
Exactly. Slovaks and Russians are the absolutely worst about this. Ukrainians at least all realize and admit how horrible it is and are glad they can live here

>>68878561
Ukrainians pretty much know they're an artificial country so it's not as if they can have any real nationalism.

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>>68878482
>>68878446
>>68878264
>>68878167

>>68878147
Eastern Ukraine is very industrial and has a lot of opportunities for agriculture. The weapons and aviation industries are also now burgeoning (see: Ukroboronprom and Antonov).

Russia simply could have started handing out passports and it would have caused significant unrest.
It had been doing that for many years in Crimea in addition to funding groups that pushed for reintegration with Russia.

>>68878821
>Eastern Ukraine is very industrial

Is this 1985? They had some of the most advanced industry in the USSR but it's all gone now. Probably sold off for scrap metal and heroin money.

>>68873045
is that adjusted with deaths as well? thankfully niggers cannot into medicine so they die like flies, surely it gotta even out somehow?

>>68878897
Something like 25% of Ukraine's industrial output comes from the East. It's very significant.

>>68878894
>>68878482
>>68878446
>>68878264
>>68878167
>>68878938
>>68879002
Based anon

some of the people itt shd get investigated

>>68873413
>No one actually wants to hurt Russia. No one wants a war with russia.

It's not true Ivan, politics does not work like that. There's a lot of money to be made off your country and resources to eb sucked from. may eb average Niger/Pierre in Europe doesn't care but highest echelons of governemnts deeply care. Anybody who beleives on words in politics and economics is an idiot. Stop judging global politics and countries by idiotic measures.

USA/EU does not care about human rights, justice or equality. USA is a government, government is being governed by the ruling class of scoiety, ruling class of society has ineterests. If screaming and shouting about justice and human rights is in interests of the governemnt it will do it.

I just don't know anymore. I'm so sick of this world order.

>>68870102
It doesn't help that they are soon demographically like Tajikistan.

>>68876702
>succesfull society
Fucking stop already. This is so childish. Фy блять, фy нaхyй. It's not nature stop this idiocy, этo вocпитывaниe + тoннa внeшних + внyтpeнниe фaктopы. Nothing happens in one day magically, the wealth of wstern civilizations and working habits is not result of 1 day, it's an amlgam of tonns and tonns factors from previous periods multiplied by tonns of factors from present days.

Fucking tired of this circus. it's not black and white, it's not flowers or rot.

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>>68879782
>>68879585
Relax, it's just bitterness on Ivan's part.

>>68870792
>normalized to Poland
Why is this normalized to Poland

>>68879142
what was it?

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>>68870669

>>68873413
Oh hey, we have those problems here too.