Did the punishment fit the crime?

>>68773458
Germany should've been abolished desu senpaichi
>H >R >E was the way to go

Yes.

They stole our bikes.

>>68773458

Nope. Lubeck should have gone to Denmark and without the Germs of coruse.

>>68773589
I thought that you guys loved Germany
wtf I hate Holland/Netherlands now

>>68773589
why didn't the Netherlands get any clay, like Belgium did?

>>68773458
No, Germany should not exist today

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>>68773458
Not enough

>>68773458
The frogs got butthurt by lesser punishment, I don't know what they expected after the first war.

>>68774199
They did, but they sold it back

>>68773458
Clay changes are about keeping some kind of balance in international politics and being the winner or loser of a war. Not about punishment and justice.

>>68774275
Wouldn't that basically turn Holland into a German majority Country? Denmark as well maybe?

>>68774558
stop rewriting history

No, Berlin is a polish city

>>68773458

If anything, it was too lenient. Germany should have been annihilated.

>>68775790
Dutch and Western Germans are basically the same people.

>>68773458
If Yugoslavia doesnt exist, neither should Germany

>>68773458
No. They ruined Europe as revenge.

>>68773458
no they did worse to russia in ww1
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Brest-Litovsk

>>68776385
Russia didn't lose any its rightful territories.

>>68776385
i mean yes they deserved it , sorry i'm a bit confused

>>68776415
Neither did Germany.

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Yet we are, Germany's influence and economy is fucking you sideways and there's nothing you wankers can do about it than posting the same old maymays over and over again.

lol

>>68774260
>>68775923
>>68776136
>>68776259
>>68776385
I am sure this is just banter, nowadays we are all friends

>>68776728
S-Sure. Of course my... ((((friend)))))

>>68776728
hi, Angela.

>>68776770
you can keep Elsaß-Lothringen, friend

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>>68776650
hows that birthrate doing Klaus?

>>68776728
>I am sure this is just banter, nowadays we are all friends

I unironically think Germans should be exterminated.

>>68776728
there isn't problem with nowaday german it's the one before who were a bit you know, but it's not a problem ancient french were kind of aggressive

>>68776728
You know what they say: keep your friends close and your enemies closer

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>>68776728
I presume they mean some sort of Roosevelt plan where there's no single German state, and not some kind of final solution to the German question

>>68776916
I find it hard to believe
care to elaborate your reasoning?

>>68776916
well you are canadian so this is not a surprise :)

>>68776728
Nope

>>68777257
Greeks beeing ungrateful is nothing new

>>68777311
>ungrateful

LEL. My god that detachment. Do you ever leave your house?

>>68777455
I dunno if you have noticed it, but Germany and other Eurozone contries (some of them even poorer than Greece) are currently helping you to pay the denbs you caused by your own fault

>>68777044

Germans keep trying to destroy Europe, through 2 world wars and the EU. Thus the key to lasting stability and prosperity is the destruction of the German people.

>>68777607
>through 2 world wars and the EU
I lost you there. Isn't EU exactly the opposite of destruction of Europe?
Also, please keep in mind that EU was a French idea, and Germany was forced into Euro in exchange for German reunification

>>68777573
Actually those debt payments were used to bail German and French banks. Unless you haven't noticed.

>>68777754
well yeah, you owned debts to German and French banks, among others, and we helped you to pay those debts.
What would you suggest? That we reward your lack of financial discipline by giving you free monies?

>>68777879
Yes yes Hans. It's always the others fault. Don't forget that Spain and Portugal also underwent refinancing programs and Schäuble pushes another one for Portugal. I wonder why? Everything was cool when we bought your products and used your funds. Now that the whole system collapses you found your scapegoat on the corrupt PIGS. Your hypocrisy is showing. Go tell those poorer countries that they're bailing your failed banks not Greece.

>>68778152
Its not always the fault of others. But it is a fact that Greece faked their data to get into the EU. And it lived for years above its means.
I dont really understand how you can ingore that

>>68774558
TRIANON
R
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Fuck off, magyar

>>68777607
No, you fucking chink. We don't try to destroy, we try to conquer. Look at African colonies that were under German rule, they were more developed than French and British colonies. Look at France under Nazi occupation, it was more peaceful than ever before. Is that what you call "destruction"?
Destruction is always done by the British and the French. Prime examples of that are their collaborative effort to bring war to the Middle East with the Picot-Sykes plan and the British fuck-up of South Asia.

>did the punishment fit the crime?
picture of a map of northern ireland

>>68776916
you're a fucking leaf though, the most pathetic posters on /int/ and your country is a fucking joke

>>68778255
>But it is a fact that Greece faked their data to get into the EU.
no they faked the data to get the € not the the EU

>>68778341
Haha well memed my friend

>>68778333
The Nordie's only crime was loyalty

>>68778255
At various degrees everybody faked their data and everybody violates several EU regulations. Let's not point fingers here. We overspent? Sure, won't deny it. Let's not forget though that that how the system works. Someone's deficit is somebody's surplus. In the EU it's the South's deficit that feeds the North's surplus. Post 08 collapse everybody remembered finacial responsibility again. Laughable.
Again. EU funds bailed German banks. The actual debt repayment is being done by our own cutting down on spending, wages, pensions etc. So you don't get to talk shit smartass.

>>68778723
>At various degrees everybody faked their data and everybody violates several EU regulations.
But not everybody needed a bailout, like Greece. So it seems like Greece faked data and overspent more than others.

>Again. EU funds bailed German banks.
So you thing if Greek takes loans from German banks, they shouldnt be obliged to pay back?

>>68778914
Like i said Portugal is at risk of ANOTHER bailout. Schäuble is very adamant about it. Maybe Deutsche bank needs some more relief.Hahahaha.
But we are paying back the loans. You didn't notice that either huh?

>>68779237
I appreciate that you are paying back your debts and enforcing painful, yet necessary austerity measures.
It just seems to me like the majority of Greek population has yet to realized that the crisis is their own fault.

I hope the Germans will regain their rightful land someday.

>>68773458
Why did Poland steal so much clay? Is it because they're really Soviets and never questioned their USSR masters?

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>>68779470
Lost more than gained.

>>68779429
thank you, friend.
But nowadays, many Poles call our ex-territories their homeland. It would be unpractical to deport them, just to get some clay

>>68773458
its not clay
clay is not even important

the thing is, germany will never ever have their own Blue-water navy and their own nuke while they have always had enough potential to do that

>>68779308
You could say the same Americans during the 08 mortgage collapse. You could say the same about Spaniards, Italians, Portuguese, Irish and let's not forget about Iceland.
You're not doing something noble. You just have the power to dictate the rules. For now.

>>68779470
the Soviets refused to give back the Polish territory they took during WW2 so they gave them German land to compensate them. It also gave them a nice buffer between the USSR and Germany.

>>68779617
Well, Americans recognized that they fucked up during 08 crisis, and didnt blame Germany for their mistakes

If anything, we were too soft with them, even if they are still under American occupation they are still going on their quest to destroy Europe, g*rms simply don't deserve land nor dignity.

>>68779670
That's the catch. They didn't fuck up. That was the whole zeitgeist. Easy money and lending for everybody. That's how money circulates more easily. And when the show was over the moral indignation and smugness from the lenders was already there.
What? Nobody made you take that money. See Iceland too.
Don't worry you'll get your money back. With interest. Just don't pretend you're not benefiting/ed from it.

>>68773589
I hope you made them pay bike reparations

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>>68779470
Because based Stalin knew who's the rightful owner of all of it

>>68779795
Did a german steal your gf or something Jean Phillipe?

>>68780138
do Poles feel resentment about the territory the USSR stole or are they happy with their new borders?

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>>68780250
Majority doesn't care but some nationalists including me feel sad and angry about losing cities of Lwów and Wilno which were the most important Polish culture centres after Warsaw.

>>68780683
then how comes they were inhabited by Belarus/Ukrainian people?

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>>68780733
>then how comes they were inhabited by Belarus/Ukrainian people?
They weren't.

>>68780866
oh thats a shame
so polish people were deported after WW2?

>>68780941
Yeah.

Same as Germans >>68779521

There were also deportations during WW2 and mass killings even before WW2.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Operation_of_the_NKVD_(1937%E2%80%9338)

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>>68780733
Maybe because they weren't. And those "Belarus"/"Ukrainian" people were Polish peasants russified during partitions

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No. "Germany" is a disgusting, barely functional chimera, and as long as it exists, Europe will be threatened.

Furthermore, France's natural border is, and has been since Gallic times, the Rhine.

>>68773458

I think giving Prussia and Danzig to Poland, and deporting all Germans there was fair, but Pomerania and Silesia was too much.

>>68780733
Poles dominated in cities while Ukrainians/Belarusians in rural areas.

Also read this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tutejszy

>>68781248
Germania delenda est.

>>68781333
What about the Sudetenland?

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>>68781248
>check the map
>left bank of the rhine is (and will always remain) german
>mfw

>>68781445
Those were the natural defense and historical borderlands of the Bohemian kingdom. Germans were invited to settle there.

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>>68781333
Nobody cares what you think nigger

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>>68781452
The people there are just French people who speak German. If not for Anglo perfidy, they would be perfectly integrated in the French nation today.

>>68781578
"French" people are just romanized Gauls, who name themselves after a Germanic tribe

I'll just leave this here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hZVWuMEbFI&list=RDrOH37W0jPpA&index=4

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>>68781639
Yes, and? We took the best from the Romans and the Franks, which allowed us to reign supreme on the continent for almost a thousand years.

>>68781756
just be happy that you got to keep Elsaß-Lothringen

>>68773458
Nope. Germany should've stopped existing altogether. Everything West of the Rhine to France, everything East of Berlin to Poland, some extra clay to the Netherlands (all the way to Hamburg if it's up to me) and the rest split up into independent countries, none bigger than the Bavarian Free State.

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>>68778341
the pains of being the best

>>68773458
It was too harsh imho since Germany is vital for the balance of power in Europe. They should've been allowed to keep Pomerania and be allowed to repurchase east Prussia (or alternatively have that be given to Poland).

>>68781904
wtf, i thought Dutch are our bros now

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>>68781904
good post

I cant wait for the great jihad ro begin on yurotrash soil, and all these yurotrash be like

HEY POLAN, LETS GO CRUSADE MY SHIATOLIC BRUHS!!!

OUR YUROTRASH BRUH NEED US

and we'll be like.
lol FUCK YOU

WE LOOKING AFTER OUR OWN ASS


GO BEG PISSRAEL

>>68782124
>>68781904
I would think that breaking Germany up into a few smaller countries would have been better

I think that's what they originally intended but the Soviet issue meant that Western Germany needed to be re-united and bolstered.

>>68782124
>>68782177
I was hoping that all the EU development funds we gave to you would create at least some goodwill towards German people

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>>68780683
>hohol subhumans got this pearl
what a fuckin loss and waste

>>68781430

This. Germans should be evicted from Tirolo and replaced by Italians.

>>68781542
it is not like Poland decided it, Stalin decided it for them.

>>68782295
I think it is really tragic that you see your fellow slavs, who just happend to be less well of as you, as subhumans

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>>68782445
slavs just means slaves, dumb ass

modern "germans"are just as much a "slav" as us. :^)

dont forget goymoney


Novus Ordo Seclorum :^)

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>>68782445
>hohols
>slavs
Good joke. They are tatar-mongol-slavic mutts at best

>>68782572
>>68782596
>treat your fellow slavs like trash
>wonder why PLC didn't last
Look, I like Poles, but you guys should be never in a position of power. You are far to selfish and egoistic to make decision that benefit everybody, not just you

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>>68782730
this isnt about being in
"position of power

you stupid retarded subhuman kraut

this is about

not being a slav

>>68782787
let me correct myself, not being a slav means being slightly in the position of power.

>>68782787
I think its sad that Poland, a poor country itself, looks down on countries even less fortunate tham themselves

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>>68782914

if history has shown 1 thing is


this entire continent is infested with viscous predatory jackals, always looking for their next victim.

You either make yourself as least tasty looking as possible, or you get eaten

>>68775833
>>68778292
I'm not the one to blame if the truth hurts.

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>>68782730
>you guys should be never in a position of power. You are far to selfish and egoistic to make decision that benefit everybody, not just you
>reads this
>checks flag
hahahaha oh boy

No, Germans shouldn't be allowed to exist, or should have been left with even smaller piece of lands.

>>68783196
I think the difference is that while we Germans certanly made mistakes, we learned from them.

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>>68782229
>my opinion matters

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>>68773561
>>68774260
>>68774275

This

>>68783367
That lad looks like a Nordic Captain.

>>68776415

except that they lost Little Russia and White Russia. Brest-Litovsk was worse than the holocaust

Germany was able to recover from the losses inflicted on them, largely. Russia has been permanently crippled by the loss of those territories

>>68776728
It is. Germans are good guys now.

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>>68783278
You see, we don't have to learn anything because we never made any mistakes. Oh wait, we made one. Not exploiting, raping and genociding everybody around when we had occasion like other countries did certainly was a mistake.

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>>68783278
>we Germans certanly made mistakes, we learned from them.

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>>68782243
Why should we have any goodwill towards you since even if you were to give us money for the next 100 years, it wouldn't compensate what you did to us in WW2?

>>68784226

>Germany murdered 2,700,000 Polish jews

sounds like they did you a favor

plus you got to trade belorussian marshland for rich Silesia and Pomerania

Wish Hitler had won the war at least i would be 100% German

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>>68782124
>Nuremhora
>Berolinsk
>Hamborg
>Francfort

What a joke

>>68784304
you'd be dead

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>>68784275
>rich Silesia and Pomerania

>Poland suffered catastrophic damage to its infrastructure during the war, which caused it to lag even further behind the West in its industrial output.[11] The losses in national resources and infrastructure amounted to over 30% of the pre-war potential.[11] Poland's capital of Warsaw was among the most devastated cities – over 80 percent destroyed in the aftermath of the Warsaw Uprising of 1944.[12] Nonetheless, resulting from forced migration, there was a rapid increase in population to 23.9 million shown in the first post-war census of 14 February 1946.[13] The Polish state acquired more highly developed western territories and lost the more economically backward eastern regions. Already in 1948 the prewar level of industrial production was exceeded in global and per capita terms during the first Three-Year Plan (Plan Trzyletni) fueled by the collective desire to rebuild shattered lives.[14]

>After the Soviet annexation of the Kresy territories east of the Curzon line, about 2 million Poles were "repatriated" (moved or were transferred or expelled) from these areas into the new western and northern territories east of the Oder-Neisse line,[20][21]

> In 1947 Soviet pressure caused the Polish government to reject the American-sponsored Marshall Plan,[16] and to join the Soviet Union-dominated Comecon in 1949.[17] The Soviet forces present engaged in plunder of the former eastern territories of Germany which were being transferred to Poland, stripping it of valuable industrial equipment, infrastructure and factories and sending them to the Soviet Union.[18][19]

>importing polish coal from mines in silesia for free for 40 years
>importing meat from poland for free while the polish starved
>"""""rebuilding"""""""

Thanks.

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>>68784275
>rich Silesia and Pomerania

>>68784496
>>68784500
greatest minds think the same ))

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>>68784500

>>68784496
>>68784500
>>68784547
>>68784553

what makes a territory wealthy is not the buildings or infrastructure but the land itself

these territories were in much worse states when the Germans took them from you, and look what they made of them.

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>>68784496
>>68784500
>>68784553
>tfw poles unironically thought France would help them
Poland would be in a better condition today had it just given up the corridor tbqh

>>68784663
>these territories were in much worse states when the Germans took them from you, and look what they made of them.
Kill yourself. Seriously

>>68784715
Corridor wasn't an issue. Shitty war-based economy of Turd Reich was.

Poland offered Corridor to Germany after Polish-Bolshevik war, but Germany refused.

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>>68784762
Why is it so hard to accept that Germans are superior to you? The fact that Germany is the best country in Europe despite losing the war you really make you think.

>>68784762

>Kill yourself. Seriously

Polish """arguments"""

>>68784663
>what makes a territory wealthy is not the buildings or infrastructure but the land itself
>pomerania wealthier than fertile Kresy
Nope. Silesia is arguable though. Indeed it's quite good when it comes to natural resources

>>68784715

When the Czechs gave up Sudetenland, Germany seized the whole country. Poland wasn't stupid enough to fall for the same trick twice, because everyone knows you can't trust a German.

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>>68784715
kek

>>68784762
>Poland offered Corridor to Germany after Polish-Bolshevik war, but Germany refused.

Never heard this before. Sauce?

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>>68782445
>your fellow slavs
Don't even try to comapre us to those barbarians, idiot

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>>68787078
lol

keep kvetching you butthurt polish kike

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>>68787186
t. hohol diaspora
Choke yourself, air waste

>>68784896
Marshall plan and no communism.

Rings a bell?
>>68784902
Illiterate piece of shit.

Deathcamps.

Bombing London and Coventry.

Not listening to Erwin Rommel.

Fucking Czechs and Poles.

So ... yeah.

All is forgiven, since you learned how to behave. Now deep friends.
Sorry about Dresden.

Let's see... Death camps invading Poland making Czechoslovakia at your bitch not listening to Erwin Rommel... Yeah pretty much

>>68776916

You sir are a cowardly asshole then.

There's banter, and there is your nastiness. Not the same thing moron.

>>68777607

Wrong.

Hit in the head with a hockey puck?

WW 2 was their fault. Naziism. Now Germans are peaceful and productive and even fun. Good krautish porn too.

You are simply dull.

>>68778152

YOU Greeks are ingrates, lazy, and stupid.

>>68781578
Why don't you fix your Muslim problem Francois before you go seeking other problems?

>>68781904

Well thank God the Americans ran the post-war policy. Now we get to take advantage of the Germans in engineering to help us go to the Stars!

One planet, dickhead.

>>68782787
Yo dude, pretty tribal. You get to stay behind on Earth while the rest of us to explore the Galaxy.

>>68783278

You did.

Thank you.

Welcome.

Ignore these losers and crybabies.

>>68773635
Lübeck? It was never part of Denmark and had nothing to do with it.

>>68784226

Fuck reparations Polefag.

You were not there. You don't get shit.

Begger.

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>>68773458
No

It straight up should not exist it
Maybe split it up between France and Poland and Denmark and Czechoslovakia then outlaw the German language and displays of German culture such as beer gardens and lederhosen
Couple cultural suppression with mass sterilizations of the Germans and they'd be gone in no time

The German people are the worst thing to ever happen to European peoples

>>68784275

Fuck off alt right puke.

You're not fooling anyone.

>>68775790
Austrians would be a minority, too. Even Bavaria alone is larger than Austria or Czech Republic.
Denmark would have a huge minority of 4.6 million Germans against 5.6 Danes.
The Netherlands are outnumbered 25 mil to 17 million Dutch.
Only Poland might be able to control its area.

>>68780866
>>68781114

Masurians didn't consider themselves to be Polish and rather left everything behind than share a nation with you. So be decent enough to don't count them towards your nations in your little graphic,

I am German

>>68787315
Marshall plan wasn't that big for Germany. We paid as much for the service of beeing occupied than we got as loans from the US. Great deal...

>>68794272
I think it would be better if Soviet Union took all of Germany

>>68794243

I'm not. I'm an American secular Jew.

Focus on the future, not the past. The past sucks.

>>68784762
are you still butthurt over ww2?

>>68794272

Ungrateful liar.

>>68794350
>Americans who don't understand their national interests
You are just like trump

>>68794387
Hans-Ulrich Wehler: Deutsche Gesellschaftsgeschichte 1949–1990. C.H. Beck, München 2008, S. 91.

Costs for occupations was even with the beginning boom still 13% of GDP in 1953.

>>68794395
Not an argument

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>>68794170
almost responded, 2/10

>>68774260
This

>>68794499
There were reasons why you kept Germany and there were reasons why you allowed Germany to reunite, Read Condoleeza Rize's memoirs if you don't know hat I'm talking about.

>>68794473

We are why you are not a Soviet client state now. Price that one.

>>68794617
You know it's true or you would've come up with a real argument

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This thread...

>>68794785
We are the reason why your sphere of influence reaches as far a the baltic states and the Ukraine, price that.

>>68794911
As our American founding fathers said as well as dr. Ron Paul, America was never supposed to be an Empire. Thanks a lot.

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>>68794800
https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazurzy
https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plebiscyt_na_Warmii_i_Mazurach#Przyczyny_niepowodzenia_opcji_polskiej

Now gtfo roach because I'm already getting annoyed