What went wrong?

communism

lack of communism

Mongolians.

>>68767878
Thousands years of slavery and poverty

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some vatniks didnt do communism correctly

next time it'll work

>>68767878
It's interesting what would happen if Russia was dominated by Novgorod with its "republican" traditions.

>>68767878
r*ssians

>>68767878
Capitalism

>>68768006
The real problem is more that Russia after about the mid-17th century got too big to be easily manageable.

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Also Free Masonrt


Novos Ordu Seclorum


purging the only intelligence of their society whom were monks and priests


when all you got left is a nation of half witted idiots you get russia

>>68768006
They are not much different between current oligarchic Russia with Merchant Republic Novgorod either. US, Russia or any modern civilized are quintessentially merchant republic.

Feudalism was never really established in Russia during medieval times, thus unlike France or England, they didn't have a political tradition of limiting the king's power (eg. the Magna Carta). Ivan the Terrible broke the backs of the nobility and made them subordinate to an all-powerful, authoritarian state.

>>68768168
you understand the russian history better than russians themselves. it's sad

>>68767878
20th century, financial crisis, riots, The Great War, Red Revolution, Communism and 70 years without any financial progress and growth of economics.

Orthodoxy desu. It still has the medieval notion that man is the slave of God rather than the child of God.

Also Orthodoxy doesn't really emphasize moral codes or performing good deeds that much, it's more just about performing a ritual or venerating saints or something (somewhat also true of Catholicism).

>>68767878
russians and communism

>>68768301
>Protestants talking about religion

>>68768487
All Orthodox countries are pretty shitty desu as well as the large majority of Catholic ones.

>>68767878
Corruption. You can't get _anywhere_ in Russia without massive bribery or stabbing people in the back. They have a culture that doesn't encourage or value honesty and niceness, just this caveman "the strong take what they want from the weak" mentality.

>>68769238
The weak should fear the strong

>>68767878
Basically everything, right?

>With the exception of Pskov and Novgorod the Great, there has never been autonomy in Russia, as there was in the cities of medieval Europe. There is no tradition of controlling expenditure for the needs of all, nor any experience of the democratic approach to paying taxes. Taxes are regarded as a tribute to one's rulers, rather than a pooling of resources for the common good. If a peasant has paid the prince tribute, can he ask him to account for how he spent it?

>>68767878
In the 90s, everything was taken over by Mafia barons who often took to providing essential services since the government had become incapacitated. Now, the military and security services greatly resented their loss of prestige and power during that time and wanted revenge against these noveau rich, and they got it. The 90s Mafia barons were all purged and numerous assets including the oil industry and media returned to state control.

Since as >>68769238 said, Russian culture has the pervasive belief in the strong dominating and crushing the weak, it limits the possibility of responsible government by consensus. They also tend to adopt the idea that the vozhd is always right and in no way responsible for the ills that befall the nation. People in the gulag archipelago convinced themselves that if only Stalin knew what was going on, he would put a stop to this and it must be Trotskyite saboteurs who put them there.

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>>68770076
>In the 90s, everything was taken over by Mafia barons who often took to providing essential services since the government had become incapacitated. Now, the military and security services greatly resented their loss of prestige and power during that time and wanted revenge against these noveau rich, and they got it. The 90s Mafia barons were all purged and numerous assets including the oil industry and media returned to state control.
What kind of brain damage you have to write shit like this?

>>68768168
If feudalism was never established in Russia, then who were the Boyars? They were essentially Russian noblemen.

>>68767878
over expanding, having to keep up the cold war and nuclear proliferation with the USA, they should have built more agriculture equipment instead of nuclear bombs and then they would have been more food to eat

>>68767878
To be honest Tsar Nicholas 2 deserves more teachings about ruling the country.

>>68768908

That's why all protestant nations are areligious or atheist now, right?

>>68767878
Its more a case of what didn't go wrong?!

They've had tyrannical rulers
Tyranical communist rulers
Communism destroying both enterprise and accountability.

Failure to float the rouble resulted in economic collapse.

Even after the breakup of the Soviet Union and the fall of communism, they failed to properly implement property rights.

Yeltsin botched privatization, selling state assets for much less than they were worth.

Yeltsin also destroyed the newly formed democratic system, and let the oligarchs control the country instead.

Putin came in, and started to address the economic problems caused by Yeltsin. But then he started treating his political enemies like state enemies. Which means that again, Russia has a tyrannical ruler. And he's a dangerous one, as events in Ukraine show.

Russia really needs the rule of law. Instead it has the rule of Putin. But once he's dead, it may become a prosperous country. Or it may just break up a bit more.

>>68769238
>niceness

>>68772814
I meant they didn't have a good concept of feudal law and rights, no political traditions that would check the king's power. In England, the nobles stopped King John from aggrandizing power and forced him to sign the M-C. This wasn't possible in Russia.

>>68772855
>they should have built more agriculture equipment instead of nuclear bombs and then they would have been more food to eat

Russia has never been a great place for agriculture due to the climate and geography.

>>68768211
>it's sad

Sad, but nothing surprising. Some things are more easy to observe from a distance than from inside.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HE6rSljTwdU
This video sums it up pretty neatly

>>68773089
>as events in Ukraine show

Opinion disgarded tbqh

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>>68772982
>all protestant nations are areligious or atheist now

USA is extremely religious despite being predominantly protestant.

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>>68773089
>Yeltsin also destroyed the newly formed democratic system

Would you prefer nazis or commies to democratically take the power in Russia in 1993-1996?

>>68773399
Aren't they evangelical? Or is it the same?

>>68773520
It's mostly mainline Protestantism that leads to people being atheists, because those are just social clubs posing as a church.

>>68773509
I mean, yeah. The results weren't going to be pretty any way you slice it, but Yeltsin was the guy the West wanted in power because he was the least likely to start a nuclear war out of revanchism. Also foreign corporations could loot Russia unhindered. :^)

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What went wrong?

>>68773374
The lack of contact with the outside world or foreigners (due to the country's geography and size) is a killer. Most Russians just don't know that there's a better way of running a country. They think living in shit and being ruled by a god emperor is all there is because they have no clue how people in Western Europe or the Anglosphere live.

>>68767878
Based putin didn't get in power quik enough.
>russian population used to dwindle at the rate of over 600k people a year
>putin comes along and now the population is rising with a birth rate that is superior to most of europe
>implying it's all chechens and siberian natives
>implying their birthrates ever took a dive
>implying it's not the white russians who were lifted by putin from their state of degradation

>>68773509
>Would you prefer nazis or commies to democratically take the power in Russia in 1993-1996?

Of course. Yeltsin basically killed Russia.

>>68773799
It's getting a little better now thanks to globalization.

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>>68773814
>>implying it's all chechens and siberian natives

It's mostly immigration and high birth rates among non-russian minorities (mostly, muslims). The number of ethnic Russians is reducing the same rapidly as before Putin. The only Russian cities that have positive natural growth rates are Moscow, Petersburg and rich siberian regions with a high quality of living like Tyumen, Tomsk and Novosibirsk. While the rest Russia is dying out.

>>68773814
There was a little bit of a baby boom in the mid-2000s, but it's dropped off by now.

>>68774058
>The only Russian cities that have positive natural growth rates are Moscow, Petersburg and rich siberian regions with a high quality of living like Tyumen, Tomsk and Novosibirsk. While the rest Russia is dying out.

This didn't begin in the 90s-2000s desu, it started in the late Soviet era. By 1980, the birthrate of ethnic Russians was almost flatline and only Central Asians had above replacement fertility. Also the drift of young people out of the countryside and into the cities was already underway at that time.

>>68774058
So churkas will literally take over? That makes me sad.

>>68774223
>So churkas will literally take over?

Yes, maybe sooner, maybe later, but it's inevitable.

>That makes me sad.

Aren't you supposed to celebrate it? I thought Finns hate us Russians with a passion.

>>68774331
I distrust russians with a passion but no hatred. Also whites becoming a minority in their homalands is always sad. Even siberian part of russia should stay white since losing ground is something that should be avoided. I consider the americas already lost so I hope that whites atleast expanded their territory even a little by keeping siberia and australia. Though the way things are going western europe will also be lost to durkas, churkas and other various niggers.

>>68774440
>>68774440
Also the russian posters on /int/ seem to be decent posters, much better than the avarage russian that I have encountered, not that they are that bad people either they just seem a little white trashy.

>>68774440
that's just payback for their imperialist/colonialist past

>>68774511
>Also the russian posters on /int/ seem to be decent posters, much better than the avarage russian that I have encountered, not that they are that bad people either they just seem a little white trashy.

Most of them aren't bad people per se, just very dumb, bydlo, and easily brainwashed.

>>68774223
It will take a long time for them to take over, who knows what will happen by then. Also the really bad muslims are only the ones from caucasia, tatars and the like are ok.

>>68774540
No, that is the end result of their policies which have ended in this result. Embracing globalism while the rest of the world kept looking after #1, themselves. The unprecedented importing of people from the third world into white countries, not trying to keep the birthrate up and sending foreing aid are to blame for this. There is no karma.

>>68767878
Capitalism

>>68774681
I'm pretty sure Russia didn't import anyone except maybe sending east eropoors to syberia.

>>68774642
Chechens for some reason are completely resistant to all forms of civilization despite 150+ years of effort.

>>68774765
That point mainly applies to western europe, though russia has a problem with illegal immigration from ex-soviet countries. Also me being disappointed some of the churkas becoming the majority again in their native lands is hypocritical, I know.

>>68768301
>man is the slave of God rather than the child of God
You say that, but actually that's the attitude most Russian parents have to their kids.
ie not a child, but a slave.

>>68774223
They already did. Russian women are breeding with churkas faster than American women are breeding with Mexicans and blacks.

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>>68774782
They have a different culture that brings insane levels of nepotism and corruption, its hard even for us to understand, europeans just have no clue.

>>68774903
They're trying to prep them to be good citizens, meaning "The leader speaks and you listen."

>>68774440
>I distrust russians with a passion

You're a clever person, I wouldn't absolutely trust most of my countrymen either.

>expanded their territory even a little by keeping siberia

Western Siberia is about 95% Russian currently, but I don't know how long will it last. It would be really sad if my native region get taken over buy "durkas, churkas and other various niggers" as you said.

>>68774611

There are no bad people per se, it's all about culture, education and surroundings in general.

>>68774642

Tatars are de-facto secular, they're the same muslim as Russians christian.

>the ones from caucasia

Their problem is not only islam, but also that disgusting savage tribal mentality. Even non-muslim Caucasian nations like Ossetians and Armenians have it.

>>68773509
Yes.
>give power to the "people" right after decades of deciding fuck all
or
>give power the the leader that knows what would be good
Is a nobrainer tbqh

>>68775064
>Their problem is not only islam, but also that disgusting savage tribal mentality.
Yeah, absolutely.

>>68774890
>russia has a problem with illegal immigration from ex-soviet countries

Russia has a problem with internal migration, which is more serious than some rightless central asian migrant workers.

Yeah for some reason Caucasians prefer to be feral steppe/mountain niggers who raid their neighbors.

>>68773387
>Opinion disgarded tbqh
You don't think a country invading and annexing the territory of one of its neighbours on a flimsy pretext proves its leader is dangerous?

>>68773509
Communists in Russia, with democratic accountability, would almost certainly have been better than Yeltsin's rule without it, and Russia wouldn't be stuck with Putin now.

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>>68775915
>wouldn't be stuck with Putin now.

>>68767878
Somewhere between the foundation of Moscow and the annexation of Novgorod.

>>68775915
>with democratic accountability

It would end up as a tyranny after the first elections, since we pathologically cannot into democracy.

>>68774937
not true

>>68767878
Too much Mongol genes.

>>68773783
Republicans

>>68767878
low population density