Is this accurate, /int/? What is the HARDEST language to learn?

According to my hungarian friends their grammar is way easier than Slovak one

>>68350884
i hate spanish now

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GEORGIAN(Kartvelian)
Grammer

>>68350884
isnt arabic actually easy to learn?

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>>68350884
I no think the image has russian grammar
Russian grammar important

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>>68350884
Portuguese Grammar

the hardest point in arabic grammar is vocabs
the grammar is not so hard like hungarian and cantonese

>>68350884
>Indo-European languages are easy
>Non info-European languages are difficult
Reminder that difficulty is all dependent on relations and this picture is made by monolingual yank.

That said, Japanese supposedly have the simplest grammar.

>>68351426
Don't you mean pronounciation?Japanese is like mumbo jumbo language.la-le-li-lo-lu as an example

>>68350884
Coming from English and Irish, having studied French, some Spanish, Mandarin, and Russian in that order

Found Russian to be the hardest relative to this language exposure, the learning curve to get to an intermediate level was the steepest

>>68351476
Japanese is pretty straight forward grammarwise. I mean, everything in a sentence is a given, for one and you often draw from context.

Kanji is a bitch though.

>>68351744
counters suck too

Latin languages are all easy.
your meme anglo-germanic grammar is obnoxious as fucks.
it's too complicate to simply put present - past - future???

no no present perfect preterit what the fuck is this bullshit? fuck you

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>>68350884
Try to translate : "нaхyя дoхyя нaхyяpили? pacхyячивaйтe нaхyй."

>>68351859
Just looked it up. Thats fucking autistic and seems unnecessary.

>>68352076
>нaхyя дoхyя нaхyяpили? pacхyячивaйтe нaхyй
>Nasuya Dohuya Nahuyarili? rashuyagivaite nahui

I only know basic cyrilic and Im on phone so I cant properly latinize the phonology. Idi nahui stalker.

>>68352055
here in portugal we call:
Past-Perfect preterit(simple),perfect preterit(compound),preterit more than perfect,imperfect preterit,
Future- future,future of the present(simple and compound),future preterit(simple and compound)
Present- conditional present,conjuntive present,subjunctive present

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>>68351193
>actual Spanish grammar

>>68351302
Nah not really I'd put between the Cheetah and the Tiger

>>68350884
Ours should be a suicide bomber since it's all over the place.

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>dutch grammar
>easy

Its rare to see a written article without any grammatical error's

>>68350884
Yes, that's why English will continue to be the lingua franca, while your special snowflake languages die off lel.

>>68352456
>not having preterit ssj4
>not having preterit perfect form
>mfw

>>68350884
Hebrew and Arabic grammar is very easy though.

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>>68350884
For me,English grammar is like this

>>68352291
зaщищaющихcя

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>>68352987
tkni i vzbzdni

>>68352076
The fuck you fucked this fucking much? Fuck it fucking back.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_grammarhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_grammar

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Chinese grammar.

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>learning Italian
>got a good grasp
>go to Italy
>don't understand shit
>I don't understand half of what they're saying because references and quotes
>everyone seems to have memorized every history book and literature of the past 2000 years
>use historical references to describe attributes (e.g. Pyrrhic, knew that one but that was the easiest one)
>feels like I'm at a historian convention or a philosophy convention in normal conversation
>often can't follow at all

How the fuck am I supposed to know about Sappho or what Aeolic means

>>68353118
Honestly, they didn't have any other Uralic languages in there at all, much less any of those interior-Russian languages that are sort of closely related to Magyar.

>>68350884
I think Japanese
I've been trying to learn kanji for months now, it's so hard
But the language is so beautiful I will keep trying.
TFW no Japanese friend

Indonesian grammar is baby tier. I think they don't have tenses. Actually they don't even have genders, plural or conjugations. It's amazing how those subhumans are able to have any kind of civilization at all.
>>68352844
English is a nightmare to spell. The spoken language is so disconnected from the written language. English is an embarrassment for germanic languages

>>68353118
Xdddd jts so epic this rage conic meme

France, apologize RIGHT NOW for irreversibly fucking up the English language.

We'd presently look like a dialect of Friscian right now, all comfy, and shit, without Normaniggers.

>>68353339
>English is a nightmare to spell
This is why Finnish should be the next lingua franca 2bh

>>68353185
chinese grammar is ridiculously simple

>>68353339
Genders in german don`t match with ones in russian. It`s so damn disgusting to study it. I wish I didn`t have genders in my own lang.

>>68352856
We have preterit perfect...It's literally the first thing I put there,
Pretério Perfeito,Pretérito-mais-que-perfeito,Pretérito Imperfeito
Pretério perfeito conjuntivo,simples
Futuro do conjuntivo,futuro simples,futuro do presente,futuro do pretérito
Presente do conjuntivo,presente indicativo,presente conjuntivo etc

Your lanaguage is baby portuguese

>>68353403
As-tu... Malocul? Héhéhé...

Basque is the memest of languages, but it's hard as fuck.

>>68353339
It makes me really mad when I think of it.
What was script made for? To convey sounds. So if you're not spelling the words as they are said, you betray the whole purpose of writing.

Seriously, what the fuck.

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>>68353426
Agre :ddd
binaland :D

>>68351571

Hi Italy.

>>68353487
it's not hard,the rules of the language are the same as any other romance language

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>>68353463
Yes I am angry.

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>>68350884
fixed*

>>68353528
>same as any other romance language
You know Basque is some ayy lmao tongue left over from pre-Indo-European migrations Europe, right?
They're outright alien.

> no Sanskrit
Shit, uninformed thread.

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>>68353403
Too late Larry, we lingua franca now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLCbp_8ljbM&list=PLHSLJI8oVymyfjRwb4HY4YCXUoLLrrkwI&index=24

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrBLW7rtSWk&list=PLHSLJI8oVymyfjRwb4HY4YCXUoLLrrkwI&index=3

/int/ has to see these videos.

>>68352987
>зaщищaющихcя
>zashishajushihsya

t. grzegorz brzęczyszczykiewicz

>>68353671

>White guy speaking Japanese.

Nah senpai.

>>68353687
>zashishajushihsya
>зaшишaюшихcя
not quite right

>>68353821
Latin alphabet cant immitate a slavic phonology (look at polish) so I already knew.

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japanese grammar

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>>68353972
>Latin alphabet cant immitate a slavic phonology
zaŝiŝaüŝihsä

>>68352955
>>68353323
now kiss

>Dutch grammar
>Kitty
No, Oh no. Fuck you

>>68353339
English spelling isn't hard at all, not even memeing.

I wouldn't see much of a difference between swedish, dutch, spanish, italian and french

i'd say turkish and hungarian should be more difficult than icelandic

afrikaans or indonesian should be the easiest

>>68350884
>Is this accurate, /int/?
No
>What is the HARDEST language to learn?
Depends on your native language and personal preferences.

>>68354732
jawel jongen

hoe je het ook went of keert is nederlands kankermakkelijk

>>68350884
>via 9gag

>>68353207
hahaha faggot, italian schooling system is simply superior

This?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIPrQYtUNaI

>>68353489
English's script was perfectly phonetic when it was standardized in the early 15th century. The problem is that hasn't been updated once since then.

>>68353403
>We'd presently look like a dialect of Friscian right now

that's a meme, frisian and english had already lost mutual intelligibility before the norman invasions

>>68355604
>all those phonemes
>all that clicking

FUCK

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>>68350884
>Cantonese grammar

>>68355604
>chewing gum is a language

>>68351193
que lindo el animalito

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>chilean grammar

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mecxian grammer

>>68352710
>error's
Errors. Ik weet in nederland bruikt man "menu's" ofzo, maar in engels is het veraanders.

>English grammar is supposedly the easiest
>Non-Anglos still struggle to speak it properly
Wow, this really took my noggin out for a joggin'

>>68356306
Not really. People mostly struggle with syntax, not grammar.

>>68353557
Underrated post

>>68356330
what do you think syntax is

>>68354140
It's hard for people to get used to the whole が and は system and the SOV sentence structure. Also あれ versus それ is weird, and the honorific system is just the icing on the cake.

>>68356393
word order

>>68356393
Word order.

>>68356421
>>68356464
which is a part of ____

>>68356518
Not grammar.
t. Linguistics major

@68356518
No (You)s for you this time.

>>68356518
which order you give the words in your sentence.

>>68356571
why would you lie on the internet? or have you just started linguistics 101 yet?

>>68356626
not started*

>>68356626
Halfway through first year.
Syntax is not grammar.

>>68353207
what are you, dumb?

>>68356721
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammar

>In linguistics, grammar is the set of structural rules governing the composition of clauses, phrases, and words in any given natural language. The term refers also to the study of such rules, and this field includes morphology, syntax, and phonology, often complemented by phonetics, semantics, and pragmatics.

>>68356780
>wikipedia
Let me rephrase, most people say syntax is not a part of grammar. It's debatable.

>>68356413
I think stuff other than grammar is what makes Japanese hard, like kanji, and keigo, which japanese people don't even understand and which you'll never use outside the classroom even if you have japanese friends

>>68351309
Just wait until you start learning advanced conditional grammar. also poetry is almost impossible to read if you are not a native.

>>68356832
No, it's not debatable, except maybe if you live in the 18th century.

everything else.

>VIA.9GAG.COM

>>68357200
9gag is pretty good
thanks to them I discovered 4chan in 2015 :)

>>68357348
;)

>>68356892
Contextual features of any language is the real challenge.

I'd recall reading one English teacher mentioning that he took his first practical Japanese lessons in a class where teachers were Japanese middle aged women. He learned idioms and other ways of speech only older women normally use. And then his Japanese friends started at some point telling him that he sounds like an old woman.

>>68357465
In my experience it seems like Japanese has more of this than english (although I think some of the distinctions between male and female speech styles are disappearing with the younger generations)

>>68350884
turkish finnish and hungarian grammar are pretty much equal to each other.
if you are speaking a highly-evolved agglutinative language as all the brighter men do, the grammar is easy for all of these languages. if you speak some retarded i-e language then you are going to have a hard time because i-e languages come with mental problems.

>>68356571
grammar*
t. linguistics major

>>68350948
This, funnily enough I don't think that German grammar is that hard but I learned German after English so there's that.

>>68357896
but you are kebab your opinion doesn't matter

>>68357978
the dead is laughing at the beheaded here

>>68357978
you are a bit late for the kebab memes, whitey. you have to post "cockroach" now, if you want to fit in.

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:c

>>68358124
Oh, okay, sorry. I will remember.

>>68358226
Speak Italian, colony.

What is Esperanto grammar?

>>68358277

We speak, but only 30% of the time.

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>9gag

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>>68358778
braindead easy

>>68350884
>icelandic and arabic grammar harder than polish
doubt.jpg

>>68353972
Wrong. Latin alphabet imitates polish phonology much better than say english, german or french phonology

>>68356265
error's is wrong even in dutch. it's errors in dutch as well

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>mfw my language has a relatively normal grammar, but an absurdly complicated vocabulary.

>>68350884
getting tired of the english=babby first language meme

>>68362448
u mad?

>>68350884
the finnish one is retarded, a T-rex is stronger than the dog from Prince Of Persia

>>68350884
Why is Italian not easy at? Why is Icelandic hard at?

>>68357596
I think so too, however I would take it a sort of "seriously" for now, due to that traditionally prevailing distinct gender gap, which is in the process of closing down to Western gender related social standards.

Eh, of course I don't want to appear as an ass here. These things just are something that exist in that culture.

>>68350884
i thought it was agreed upon by all the renowned linguists that finnish/estonian/hungarian are the hardest languages to learn

>>68352076
why did you bring so much shit here, get it the fuck out of here

russian is childs play tbf. no offense

>>68352291
nyet, eto; nakhuya dokhuya nakhuyarili? raskhuyachivayte nakhuy

As someone who studied and/or speaks Dutch, English, French, German, Spanish, Persian and Arabic, I'd say that the hardest by far is Arabic, it's not even close. Among European languages I guess English is ridiculously simple, German is too but that's because I'm a native speaker of Dutch. Persian is not that difficult.

>>68358226
That looks like the bastard child of French, Italian and English

the problem with arabic is that its grammar system is so different that if you are used to only indo European languages , you will find it very weird and difficult , as a guy who learned arabic and french from childhoold i gotta say that arabic can be simpler than french in alot of cases especially conjugation where Arabic has only 2 tenses which is an awesome pro

>>68356306

people struggle with English phonetics and syntax.
5 years ago I could read a newspaper in English with no problems, but had a hard time recognizing "water" with the British pronounciation of words than end in ER, as the word Water.

>>68362113

this

>>68366660
This. English grammar is very easy, but there are next to no rules in pronunciation.

lads, is learning Arabic easy/fun

sounds like the kind of thing that would pretty much guarantee you a job in translation, if nothing else

>>68367287
>>68366660
one word I've always found confusing was Guinea
I've always thought it was pronounced "gwi-nee-a" instead it's "gee-nee"

>>68353429
True, the hard part is memorizing all the words, their "no alphabet" system is ridiculous. Also chinese is imposible to listen if you're talking to a mainlander

>>68367649
the g in "gee-nee" is supposed to be a strong g, forgot about that
like gangster

>>68366660
>>68367287

Fish = Ghoti

However English language has it's crazy strong inbuilt intuitive approach to completely suppress it's logical weirdness. Which carries you only so far.

You simply can't relax with English. The deeper you dive the unexpected it gets.

from what I gather hungarian is slightly more complex than finnish but I don't speak the language so I might be wrong

arabic is supposedly really simple but the spoken(?) language varies extremely based on locations so someone who speaks arabic might not understand someone 500km from him at all or something like that

>>68359047
What about toki pona?

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>indonesian grammar

swedish a cute. CUTE!

>>68350884
Isn't french grammar supposed to be hardcore ? This is something we are used to say because our children are bad at learning our grammar.
Tell me please.

>>68368060
no indo-european languages have hardcore grammar, just plain remembering conjugations. The rest is straight forward enough.

>>68353207
>How the fuck am I supposed to know about Sappho or what Aeolic means

git gud

>>68367781
Spoken arabic is relatively simple, but formal arabic can be uralic-tier in difficulty.

t. Lebanese family

>>68368598
>>68367781
Also, this is true. I have some trouble trying to understand arabic dialects outside the levant. But my arabic is not so gud, it's just my point of view.

>>68355728

not all dialects of the same language are mutually intelligible. For example, Swiss and Standard German.

>>68350884
Arabic is quite easy to learn, except for vocabs

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>the current year
>not having easy grammar

>>68366483
The difficulty with Arabic (coming from a native English speaker who also speaks French) is mostly that there are patterns within the language (broken plurals for instance) that are simply more intuitive to native speakers.

>>68353622
someone always says this in these kinds of threads but the only hard part is sandhi

>>68371768
Would you say it is significantly more difficult than French? Have you been able to make progress in it? How has the experience gone?

>>68370784
Spoken Arabic, sure. Classical Arabic is definitely not. And considering the fact that there are 500 million words in Arabic (largely due to the weird-as-fuck grammar) I wouldn't say vocab is that easy either.