So what's the best type of Anarchy /int/?

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>>68312563
None

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>>68312563
transhuman anarchism best anarchism

>>68312563
Anarcho-Communism is the only non meme type of anarchy.

That said, anarchy in general is trash.

>>68312563
What is the orange one and the grey one?
>>68312784
They're all memes

>>68312837
Mutualism

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>>68312784
At least Anarcho-commies have some credibility

the buried in a mass grave kind

>>68312896
the orange one I mean

>>>/x/

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Lolbertarianism
An anarcho capitalist society would of course not be functional but it is a good counterweight to todays status quo of extreme leftist ideology and globalism. I'd vote for a libertarian party.

>>68312837
gray is agroism

>>68313086
why wouldn't it function?

>>68313110
agorism*

>>68312784
>Anarcho-Communism
>extreme right wing
>extreme left wing
How does that even work

>>68313132
People are greedy and would abuse the shit out of the situation if there was no / very small government

>>68312563

That's like asking what is best type of cancer.

Nah actually that's unfair. Cancer doesn't actually implode on itself until it has killed its host.

Even so, only good anarchy could ever be is a benchmark on how the government deals with pretentious faggots.

>>68313022
How is this even remotely /x/?

None.

Anarchy is a retarded idea as a whole.

Lore of Shadows is the best one desu

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Ancap is the best desu

>>68313198
>Anarchism
>Extreme right wing

nigga what?

>>68312563

The only way anarcho-anything works is if you're 1 guy alone on his own island. Any time there's a relationship of people in a community there will be hierarchy, it's the way human's relate to one another

>>68312563

None.
It is just a delusional fantasy.

>>68312902

Kek
Which credibility? Your culture is falling apart in front of you and want to giving them some credibility?

>>68313838
This

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>>68312563
None. Fascism is the only way forward.

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>>68312563
I prefer anarchism without adjectives, but if I had to choose I'd go with anarcho-pacifism.

Also fuck Ancaps they aren't anarchists.

>>68315411
This. I used to go through mental gymnastics trying to rationalize Anarchism, but it's a fairytale. People making decisions on a local community level is still a form of government, and people living with a 'get off my lawn' mentality is ridiculous.

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Khmer rogue best anarchism

Anarchy is shit.

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>>68312563
>Anarcho-Communism
This.
Sad that anarchy actually can't be realised now since some people won't acting consciously with moral. Some fuckheads will do shit for sure cause
>lel, why should i work for the goods when i can just steal it?)0))
>lel, no police and shiet so i can do crime without punishment))0)
and it will be just a chaos instead of anarchy.

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>>68319850
>Anarcho Monarchism

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>>68321412
>He's not an anarcho-fascist

>>68312563
Mogadishu

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>>68323111
>he's not an anarcho-statist

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>>68323239
>>68323111
Both pretty good answers.
Have a rare pepe.

>>68323239
I actually find fascism pretty interesting though, still unclear about the economics of it which I plan to do more research on.

>>68321412
>Anarcho Shit
You may mean "feudalism"

>>68323177
>Mogadishu
Wut

>>68315098
Right wing is about wanting a small government. Left wing is for big governments.
Anarchism is the most far right ideology possible, as in an anarchy there is no government.

>>68325711
The entire right-left bullshit doesn't really work anyways. The left is authoritarian economically, yet liberal culturally/morally, and the right is the oposite. The original right-left distinction showed a pro-strong state to the right.

The point of anarcho-communism is that it's basically the same as communism, as the communism Marx predicted, was basically a state-less society, only seing the so-called "Proletarian dictatorship" for a long enough time to fend off any possible counter-revolutions by the borgeoisie. As soon as this danger, and the natural antagonism between the proletariat and borgeoisie disappeared as the classes of society dissappeared, the state too, would dissappear, leading the world into a global, anarcho-communistic world.

The main difference is that anarchists of the time saw the temporary dictatorship as unnecessary, and would rather see the state be removed effective immediately. Marx was basically an anarchist that predictet a short dictatorship.

>>68325711
It's not necessarily the size of the government, but about equality.
left = society works best when everybody is equal and everibody gets the same voice and input.
right = society works best through a hierarchy, be it by tradition or election or divine right
The left believes intervention is necessary to fight inequality and the right believes inequality is natural and good.

>>68326181
Right-left is relative though

Doesn't mean much at all. The "right" in Canada can still be an extreme left in another country.

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Any thoughts on Voluntaryism?

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>>68321329
a flat thing that stretches throughout thousands of square miles

>>68323320
of course it's a leaf

>>68327917
how is Voluntaryism fascist?

>>68329019
I'm not sure why I quoted your post

>>68327804
Literally the same shit as ancap

>>68312616
Your strawman isn't anarchy you dumb nigger

>>68328013
Woah...

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>>68330514
>anarcho capaitalism
>not part anarchy

>>68330619
Except in that scenario they aren't free and, unlike socialism that breadsticks aren't funded with tax dollars.

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>>68312563
>>>/his/

If you aren't an anarchist you're either
A. An autist who wants to "rule over da insherior mashes with my shuperior euphoric interect"
Or
B. A cuck

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>>68312563
There is no other anarchism beside anarcho-communism. Everything else is fake trash.

>>68330883
>the government and law appeared magically and everyone would all the sudden be "le evil" without it
There are far better arguments against anarcho capitalism yet everyone always comes up with the worst ones. In general anarchy, if you rape or murder someone there isn't anyone to stop the town from lynching you for it

>>68331017
What if you leave to the next town over?

>>68331045
You can put a bounty, or the people of town can go out to look for you. Also if the next town over finds out what did they probably won't like murderers or rapists either.

>>68312563

anarcho communism/ syndaclism.

Anarcho capitalism is Feudalism II: recreational nuclear boogaloo

>>68331165
What if a strong gang emerges that acts as the defacto government after a while?

>>68319774

I miss Mahkno.

>>68331250
Then that happens, I'm not an anarchist so I don't have an argument for how you keep anarchy from going to non - anarchy, but I don't see how that necessarily makes lack of anarchy something to be strived for or moral and anarchy something that necessarily shouldn't be strived for.

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Anarcho-communism/municipalism

>>68331420
Besides the fact that it's retarded in every way?

Literally which part makes sense to you or do you think could work long term outside of a Utopia in lala land?

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>>68330883

Anarcho-Anarchism

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>>68330969
>>68331422

None of them

Has anyone who wasn't mentally retarded or some sort of societal reject ever unironically advocated for this shit?

I don't think I've ever heard or seen a well adjusted member of society say "DUDE we need like, no government. It'll be perfect and will work"

>>68332135

>not understanding to each their own according to their need

shit meme desu. Read Kropotkin

>>68332230

Pirate Party in Iceland.

Also

>not knowing what autonomy means

>>68332232
How to determine who needs what?

Can I need more than everyone else?

>>68332232
When has that ever worked with a group of more than 30 people?

>>68331250
that is exactly what happened

>>68332293

Ukranian free territory and Anarchist spain.

Also Rojava.

>>68332283
Yeah. If you want to keep your family healthy, want to build a project, need certain resources etc.

The only tolerable type of anarchy is in international relations, and only because we've found no legitimate alternative.

There is no civilised life without power and order. Anarchism as a political philosophy amounts to infantile, ineffectual whining. In my view, if anarchists don't like the state, then they should rebel - and be shown neither quarter nor mercy as enemies of civilisation.

>>68332424
What would happen if I formed gang in an anarchic society and we were the strongest around?

>>68323403
>still unclear about the economics of it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism
>>68316885
okay thats even worse than your mom dying

>>68332490

Depends. Most anarchists don't believe in opressive forms of heirarchy. Sounds like you've got a union of egoists.

What would your gang do? Provide protection? Sell non-lethal drugs? If you start harassing people and killing people within the community, people will get pissed and unite against you.

If you're like the black army on the other hand, people will respect you.

>>68332490
history

>>68332436

>he hasn't heard of autonomy

You've got some reading to do m8.

Here's a vid, this will give you the prinicples of anarchy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RwlaNva_4g

>>68332556
>people will get pissed and unite against you.
Oh, so then there'll be a stronger gang.

>>68316885
kek

>>68332556
>most anarchists don't velieve in oppressive forms of hierarchy

But what is hierarchy is natural and we believe in it?

>What would your gang do?

We would establish a hierarchy through the use of violence.

>People will get pissed and unite against you

Will they also become a gang?

>>68332602

Well technically it'd be a shit load of unions forming against you, then people will go back to whatever they were doing.

>>68332230
That's because most non-meme anarchists don't say that.

Government is not the same as the state my dude.

>>68312563
H+?
What is that supposed to stand for, proto-anarchy?

>>68332587
>reading
>vid

>implying I don't know most of this shit

Those values are rubbish. I reject them.

>>68332654
Nah, I'm going to become a bandit.

>>68332629

>But what is hierarchy is natural and we believe in it?

Again, opressive heirarchy. Often power is regulated amongst the people and they elect representatives.

>We would establish a hierarchy through the use of violence.

Wouldn't last long m8. If you're trying to impose opressive forms of heirarchy with an anarchist soceity, chances are, no one is going to take to that lightly.


>will they become a gang

see >>68332654

>>68332683

>implying I don't know most of this shit

You really don't. If you're going to criticise and ideology, it's best to know what its about.

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>/int/ has better political discussions than /pol/

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>>68332424
>ukrainian free territory
Annexed by the larger "socialist" country after a few years.
>anarchist spain
Churches were burned and factories weren't running due to widespread incompetence. Collapsed after a few years.
>rojava
I love this meme. It's been around for two years, and it's surrounded by enemies that are stronger than it. It will collapse within 3 years.

>>68332683
Also

>im going to become a bandit

Not stopping you there m8, do what you want.

>>68316885
I know this is fake, but fuck child support.

>>68332770
All the ridiculous theory in the world simply doesn't matter if the foundational values are wrong - and they are. The video is bullshit built on bullshit, which is a fair representation of anarchism (and basically every other modern political religion).

>>68332793

>Annexed by the larger socialist country

Wasn't conquered by Imperialists now, wasn't it?

>churches were burned
>implying that was a bad thing

>collapsed after a few years

Yeah, due to them being dragged into a war by communists.

>factories weren't running

Jeez, it's almost as if working class people wanted to live in relative peace as opposed to working everyday as wage slaves.

>Rojava will collapse

Doubt it.

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/what-the-syrian-kurds-want-18564

>>68332799
Good. In a world of anarchy, bandits are the last hold-out for civilisation.

>>68332910

>the foundational values are wrong- and they are

Spooky m8.

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>>68332939

Well that's debatable, but hey each to their own.

>>68316885
Wow, brutal.
>>68317050
What ball is this?

>>68332927
The ukrainian free territory was still annexed. It couldn't defend itself.

>hurr churches r dum
Nice meme, edgelord. And, yet again, it still collapsed. Even without getting BTFO because it couldn't defend itself, it would have collapsed from its non-existent economy. No factories means no goods. No goods means no money. No money means no country. This is common sense.

Rojava isn't even communist, either. Private property is respected, and the means of production are in the hands of private citizens. Rojava isn't an anarchy because there's a central government and a police force. Your meme countries were failures. Ancom societies cannot prosper, and can barely survive a few years.

>>68332952
>the fundamental values of anarchism and socialism

>liberty/freedom
A tool to enhance productivity by allowing relatively open competition in an economic context. More broadly, this is mediated by power in chaotic/anarchic state of nature (the war of all against all); left unchecked by power become authority, liberty is generally opposed to civilised life. Liberty or freedom is not a fundamental value, but rather the lack of values.

>equality
Demonstrably false; pretending otherwise is purely destructive. A fundamental value, but one incompatible with survival in reality.

>fraternity/solidarity
At core, useful instincts, but limited, by our nature, to the familial and tribal impulses; can only exist meaningfully in a context of conflict. Fraternity and solidarity are not fundamental values but rather politicised distortions of an evolved instinct. Trying to expand the application of this instinct undermines its usefulness.

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>>68312784
>Anarcho-Communism
>non meme

>>68333272
lmao

>>68333126

>he's never heard of mutualism

>nice meme edge lord

I'd give a shit if they were Islamic churches too.

>non existant economy

Doubt it

Burnett Bolloten was the first mainstream historian to document the radical social changes that occurred in Republican Spain; most earlier historians took the disclaimers of the Republican government at face value, in spite of the fact that the Republicans had every reason to conceal this radicalism in order to win military assistance from Britain and France. Bolloten explains that the CNT and to a lesser extent the UGT took advantage of the chaos to seize control of the means of production:

"In Valencia, a city of over 350,000 inhabitants, nearly all plants, both large and small, were sequestered by the CNT and UGT, as were those in the province of Alicante, while in the region of Catalonia, where the Anarchosyndicalists were in almost unchecked ascendancy during the first months of the Revolution, collectivization in many towns was carried out so thoroughly that it embraced not only the large factories but the least important branches of handicraft. The collectivization movement also infringed upon another preserve of the middle classes. In Barcelona, the capital of Catalonia, with a population of nearly 1.2 million, the Anarchosyndicalist workers collectivized the wholesale business in eggs and fish and set up a control committee in the slaughterhouse, from which they excluded all intermediaries; they also collectivized the principal market for fruit and vegetables and suppressed all dealers and commission agents as such, permitting them, however, to join the collective as wage earners. The milk trade in Barcelona was likewise collectivized. The Anarchosyndicalists eliminated as unhygenic over forty pasteurizing plants, pasteurized all milk in the remaining nine, and proceeded to displace all dealers by establishing their own retail outlets."[34]

>>68333126

>private property

Which is made to benefit its people, not its owners. Not to mention means of production are also in the hands of workers as well.

Does anyone have any of the Mutalism or Agroism memes? And can someone explain what they mean?
What's the difference between Mutalism and Ancap?

>>68333191

>liberty/ freedom

These are to an extent, true but ultimately abstracts. Anarchists tend to seek autonomy.

>equality

Meaning that people have equal opportunity to compete and not be discriminated against because they're white or black. This does not mean equal outcome.

>limited by our nature
>he bought into the human nature meme

k

>>68333380
>hurr muh mutualism
>what is human greed

Wanting to burn down churches is edgy no matter what religion. Go back to /r/atheism.

There was nobody running the factories, you silly goose. The workers had no idea what they were doing.
>"After the first few days of euphoria, the workers returned to work and found themselves without responsible management. This resulted in the creation of workers' committees in factories, workshops and warehouses, which tried to resume production with all the problems that a transformation of this kind entailed. Owing to inadequate training and the sabotage of some of the technicians who remained many others had fled with the owners the workers' committees and other bodies that were improvised had to rely on the guidance of the unions.... Lacking training in economic matters, the union leaders, with more good will than success, began to issue directives that spread confusion in the factory committees and enormous chaos in production. This was aggravated by the fact that each union... gave different and often contradictory instruction."

Gr8 job on ignoring the rest of my argument, though.

>>68333483
>Anarchists tend to seek autonomy.
I.e., they want society to degenerate to a state bereft of values.

>le equal opportunity meme
There is no such thing as equal opportunity.

>human nature
>meme
If not, then what?

>>68333483
>Meaning that people have equal opportunity to compete and not be discriminated against because they're white or black. This does not mean equal outcome.
how do you enforce this?

>>68333527

>what is human greed
>what is human compassion?

>implying those unions weren't other workers

K.

>gr8 job ignoring the rest of my arguement

firstly 1, see

>>68333426

>what is human greed
>what is human compassion

>actually getting triggered over religion

K.

>nobody running the factories.

objectively false, given the source you provided. Not to mention the unions were also other workers.

While I won't dispute that anarchist spain had its problems, it got substantially better, only to be annexed and diverted by communists.

>>68333583

>a state bereft of values
>values

Nice spook

>there is no such thing as equal opportunity

Which is why its essential. Eliminating affirmative action based on race is one such aspect.

>>68312563
Anarchist-Monarchist.
You abolish the state and basically give the most liked and trusted person in the nation a crown, sceptre, robe, and a really big gun.
Anyone can basically do whatever they want and should probably buy guns too. However, if they try to start building up a government again, the King or Queen riles up an adoring crowd and goes out to fight the statists with their guns.
Obviously the Queen of England would stay the Queen, America would get Tom Hanks and Mexico would get Fluffy.
This is the truest and most redpilled ideology alive and the most stable form of anarchy. Would you really shoot the son of Tom fucking Hanks just for your own gain?

>>68333810
>posts an """""educational""""" video that explains "the fundamental values of anarchism and socialism"
>then calls values "spooks"

>equal opportunity is impossible
>therefore it is essential
No man is equal to any other man in his characteristics, capacities, proclivities or predilections; nor in his circumstances. Opportunities are determined by these unequal factors and therefore cannot be equal. There is no such thing as equal opportunity.

>>68316885
gosh dang it

On Spain:
¡Arriba España!
¡Viva Franco!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfPsWwxqITY

>>68312563
anarcho syndicalism is ok. considering the alternatives

>>68333923

>spooks
I never said they were objective values, rather they are abstracts. Even i'm aware of this.

>No man is equal to any other man in his characteristics, capacities, proclivities or predilections; nor in his circumstances. Opportunities are determined by these unequal factors and therefore cannot be equal. There is no such thing as equal opportunity.

Not disputing that. There's no one like me, except me. However, allowing people to compete or to obtain a position regardless of these is what I mean by equality of opportunity. Everyone, from anywhere can have a go, and if he fails, he fails, if he wins, he wins.

Regardless of his circumstances, he should be able to try regardless, rich or poor.

>>68333923

cont.

For example, say there's a man and he's worked his arse off to get out of a dirt poor neighbourhood. He's gotten good grades, and he's qualified. He doesn't have the money however to afford going to a university (which may be privately owned).

Should he be denied the opportunity to compete and, dare I say, contribute because of his lack of cash?

>>68333762
>human compassion
Nice meme. All it takes is one edgelord to turn an ancom society into an Orwellian nightmare. Just look at the USSR, communist China, Cuba, etc.

Anarchist Spain was a shithole. The factories weren't being run, and it was destroyed in three years because it couldn't defend itself. Your argument did nothing to dispute this.

You've completely ignored 2/3rds of my argument, specifically the argument that the Ukrainian Free Territory and Rojava weren't a worker's paradise, but instead just two shitholes that collapsed and will collapse within a few years.

>>68334154

>anarchist spain was a shit hole

George Orwell may dispute you on that. As well as a few other historians. It had its flaws, sure, but it wasn't an Orwellian nightmare.

Also

>it takes one edgelord to turn ancom society

Firstly, the examples you listed weren't anarchist in mind, they believed in a dictatorship of the proleteriat. So they were never an-coms to begin with.

And I already debunked you on Rojava collapsing, considering alliance with America and Russia.

Furthermore, Private property and entrepreneurship are protected under the principle of "ownership by use", although accountable to the democratic will of locally organized councils. Dr. Dara Kurdaxi, a Rojavan economist, has said that: "The method in Rojava is not so much against private property, but rather has the goal of putting private property in the service of all the peoples who live in Rojava."[93]

Rojava's private sector is comparatively small, with the focus being on expanding social ownership of production and management of resources through communes and collectives. Several hundred instances of collective farming have occurred across towns and villages in all three cantons, with each commune consisting of approximately 20–35 people.[94] According to the Ministry of Economics, approximately three quarters of all property has been placed under community ownership and a third of production has been transferred to direct management by workers' councils.

>>68334254
Quit meming. I never claimed that anarchist Spain was an Orwellian nightmare. I claimed that it was a shithole. This is true because there was no production and it ceased existing in three years.

If we're talking dictatorship of the proletariat, that makes my job even easier. No communist country has later more than 2p years without either ceasing to exist or collapsing into a totalitarian state.

Let me explain this again. Rojava cannot be communist because there is private property. The use of private property is irrelevant. If there is private property, it is not communism. Rojava cannot be anarchist, either. There is a central government and a national police force.

>>68334075
Who is doing the "allowing"? How did he get in to that position? Is it not the case that either he, or his ancestors, "had a go", and won? Isn't blocking rivals from the competition just part of being competitive?

Whether a man is rich or poor, his circumstances, contribute to his ability to try. Some men exist in circumstances that prevent them from "being able to try". If you say they "should" have that ability, then I must ask how you intend to provide it.

>>68334136
It's up to the university's owner to decide the level at which fees should be set, and under what circumstances they might be waived (in part or in whole). Perhaps central government might determine goals for "contribution" (albeit labour demand, let alone intellectual labour demand, is difficult to foresee) and provide incentives for or impose regulations upon those who run universities.

Without the right of property or of sovereignty, the stranger's lack of opportunity is of no particular concern to me - though if pressed I don't see why those who haven't created opportunities for themselves had ought to be afforded them at the expense of those who have, and frankly if I were asked by the proprietor or by the government whether to send that man to university for free, my policy recommendation must be that the resources would be better spent on expanding my wine cellar.

>>68334397
Pretty sure he's talking about how Orwell was an anarchist-sympathiser and went over there to fight.

>>68334154

And in regards to the Free territory, they created a society with no state power, no politicians, and subsequently no concept of property.

They called for freedom of speech, press, assembly and unions, not to mention opposed central governments and free peasant workers soviets.

Basically, the communists feared a good example and feared for their power, thus betraying them.

>>68334397

I never advocated for it to be communist so you're putting words into my mouth. And that national police force also happens to be the army. It is, to an extent anarchist, but in the democratic confederalist sense.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Confederalism

>>68334398

>isn't blocking rivals from the competition just a part of being competitive.

No, because then it's no longer competitive.

In terms of how poverty impacts your life, I will not dispute the fact that its effects are negative. What must be done is to limit or at least try to abolish forms of poverty, as it breeds crime, resentment and overall shitty attitudes. But imagine, if you will if a poor man wants to help his community and genuinely contribute and fix it, but is limited by the resources he has? In my opinon, helping your fellow man improve himself is essential.

>it's up to the universities owner

And why should he have a say? Why should there even be a central government to determine what is right and what's wrong and what must be regulated? Shouldn't other people working within the university have a say over how it is run?

>Without the right of property or of sovereignty

Anarchists believe in personal property, and public ownership. They don't believe in private property.

>>68334672
>No, because then it's no longer competitive.
If you're competing in a war, isn't it good strategy to prevent your enemy from being able to fight at all?

You're arbitrarily restricting what counts. In reality, competition is not neatly contained by market sectors, elections, sports games, or anything else - competition is everywhere, always.

Who is to say how the poor man should contribute? Perhaps a sort of mostly-hereditary caste system (think Plato's metals), where every man has a more-or-less set place, and a guaranteed way to contribute (no matter how humble), is best. It is not poverty itself, but rather the reduction of the multitude of social hierarchies to only one (that of wealth) that makes the poor anti-social (see J.R. Lucas on equality). What is more, given this reduction, shifting resources about by force is sure to breed just as much ill-will - if wealth is the only allowed measure of social value, then reducing the wealth of the rich is attacking them in the most important way. Bread and circuses are a stop-gap - better than having to catch hordes of feral criminals, of course, but these policies don't remove the problem, and seem to have other deleterious effects.

You need to think carefully about who is your "fellow". I certainly care more about myself, my family, and my friends, than I do about a perfect stranger. I probably care more about my pet dog than I do about a stranger, at that.

>>68334672
>And why should he have a say?
If you can "own" something without being permitted to control it then ownership becomes worthless and investment grinds to a halt.

>Why should there even be a central government
Government is necessary for civilised life.

>to determine what is right and what's wrong
Good governments are not in the business of making moral judgements. They just make and enforce the law. Questions of right and wrong are for priests and philosophers.

>and what must be regulated?
Subjects acting on their own are unpredictable and have a high time preference. It's important to craft policies that consider long-term consequences, and the typical subject cannot be relied upon to do this. The purpose of regulation is to create short-term costs to discourage greater long-term cost creation, and to create short-term profits to encourage greater long-term profit creation.

>Shouldn't other people working within the university have a say over how it is run?
Only to the extent that they have real bargaining power over the owner. If they make excessive demands, he can replace them; if he refuses reasonable requests, they can go elsewhere.

>Anarchists believe in personal property, and public ownership. They don't believe in private property.
What I am saying is that, since I do not own the university, and since I am not the king, unless they are asking me for policy advice, I don't much care what happens with the stranger.

Do anarchists really not believe in private property? It seems pretty obvious to me that private property exists. Are anarchists stupid?

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>>68335163

>If you're competing in a war, isn't it good strategy to prevent your enemy from being able to fight at all?

Buisness isn't always war m8. It's no longer a competition, it's a battle.

>Who is to say how the poor man should contribute?

No one. It's his choice. But say he has the potential to. When a person joins the police force, do they do so because the state tells them to? Or because they want to help out their community? Or perhaps they do it to obtain power and abuse it?

Shifting resources by force may be necessary if there's a giant gap growing between rich and poor, and that with the more poverty you get, the more crime and ill fated attitudes may arise.

If there is going to be private property, it must serve its customers, as well as the person making it. I'd actually like to see a phone by apple which isn't easily breakable and bendable and forces the consumer to buy another one.

>You're arbitrarily restricting what counts. In reality, competition is not neatly contained by market sectors, elections, sports games, or anything else - competition is everywhere, always.

Not disputing that at all. But shouldn't people be able to test something and drive it, especially given the fact that companies want to restrict other competition which may put a superior product which may benefit millions of people?

See pic related.

>government is necessary for civilised life

The entity of the state isn't needed necessarily to dictate and enforce how I live. Autonomy is often key.

>Good governments are not in the business of making moral judgements.

So if say a certain ethnicity was being denied access to an institution (lets just say a white guy), would the government have a say? Or perhaps the Jim Crow era never happened? Or maybe those countries letting in millions of refugees who hide terrorists within them, are just lies made by the media. Governments do make moral decisions. Wether they are right or wrong, to us, is subjective.

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>>68335319

>It's important to craft policies that consider long-term consequences, and the typical subject cannot be relied upon to do this. The purpose of regulation is to create short-term costs to discourage greater long-term cost creation, and to create short-term profits to encourage greater long-term profit creation.

which is why people operate as collectives in order to ensure that everyone has a say.

>Only to the extent that they have real bargaining power over the owner. If they make excessive demands, he can replace them; if he refuses reasonable requests, they can go elsewhere.

And why should he alone have the say and control everything if he's only doing it for himself? Just saying.

>Do anarchists really not believe in private property? It seems pretty obvious to me that private property exists. Are anarchists stupid?

Depends on the school of anarchy. Mutualists and democratic confederalists do. Private property=/= personal property.

Anarcho-Primitivism

>>68335884
>Buisness isn't always war m8. It's no longer a competition, it's a battle.
Business and war are both competition. I used war as an example to illustrate a general point about competition.

>No one. It's his choice.
You mean, he alone is to say. This is wrong. It's not (just) his choice.

>say he has the potential
That depends what potential he has.

>When a person joins the police force,
How can someone become a policeman if the police already have too many staff and aren't hiring? How can someone become a policeman if he likes the idea of the job but can't earn enough doing it to live as he likes at home? How can someone become a policeman if he has no arms and no legs?

>Shifting resources
Maybe killing the criminals (as their penalty for losing in the competition of life) is more sensible. Get the losers out of the gene pool and out of society. What you seem to want to do is scrub away the sorting process.

>private property, it must serve its customers, as well as the person making it.
It does serve the customers, or else they wouldn't be customers. It also serves labour with wages that they accept, or else they wouldn't be labour.

>phone by apple which isn't easily breakable and bendable and forces the consumer to buy another one.
Then don't buy the ones that do; clearly you think they aren't worth the asking price. Perhaps others agree with you, or could be persuaded. Nobody is forcing consumers to buy Apple products.

>>68335884
>>68336689
>Not disputing that at all
You need to establish what makes some competition okay and other competition not-okay.

>But shouldn't people be able to test something and drive it,
What are you going to do, force companies to produce certain products that don't even exist yet? This is cart-before-horse thinking.

>companies want to restrict other competition which may put a superior product
Surely if the product is superior then it is more profitable; the most competitive companies will not just block out competitors but take their good ideas.

>may benefit millions of people
Your consumerist-welfarist mindset is bizarre: since when is the benefit to the public the chief concern of companies? This is an inadvertent outcome.

>pic related
Who says I'm a "capitalist" or an ancap? And why does this poster think that Darwinian selection is a bad thing?

>state isn't needed necessarily to dictate and enforce
How do you propose to be forced to do things without the power of the state? Would you prefer to be threatened directly with a gun to your head?

>Governments do make moral decisions
Governments make policy decisions guided by morals that come from elsewhere. Governments don't decide what is moral; they decide what is to be done, based on a given idea of what is moral.

>>68335988
>why people operate as collectives
How does this relate to the problem I outlined?

>to ensure that everyone has a say
This makes the problem I outlined worse, not better. Letting every dopey turd have his say on policy increases the likelihood that you wind up with a dopey-turd policy.

>why should he alone have the say and control everything
I just explained how he doesn't decide anything alone. Students, staff, industry, accrediting bodies, employers, etc. - all free to decide how they engage with or recognise the university. Students can enrol elsewhere, staff can work elsewhere, industry can fund research elsewhere, accreditors can dismiss degrees as worthless, employers can deem degrees worthless when hiring, and so on. The owner has to consider all sorts of things. The balance of power will vary depending on all manner of factors, and this determines whose interests dominate.

>if he's only doing it for himself?
Every man is, in the end, only doing it for himself. Why should such men have "autonomy"?

>believe in private property
My understanding was that anarchists disapprove of and would like to abolish private property, but unless they are insane, they must recognise that it exists.

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That's like asking what type of poo you like the best. I dunno. The one shaped the best? No i know, they're all utter garbage carried on by delusional idiots with no cope to reality.

Amen, peace and good morning.

>>68312563
ITT: people dont know the difference between

>an anarchist state

and

>non-recognition of the state

Just because I'm an anarchist doesnt mean everyone has to be.


>not everyone believes what you believe!

>my beliefs do not require them to

>>68316885
Spadaj muzyn