PISA 2015 /sci/ Edition

Bravo Estonia!

>>68302885
Pisa is for autists i don't recognize it

Bravo Japan!

>>68302908
To be honest Estonia is very weird, I remember that I saw that it was the only country where kids in from single parent families and kids that didn't went to pre-primary schools performed better than their counterparts with more than one parent and with pre-primary education and this was after accounting for socioeconomic factors, wtf

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UK stronk

>top 11 all asian

You mad white bois?

Man we are fucking retarded only 4 places above A*abs what a disgrace.

Its fault of hungarians here they cant read slovak properly so they fuck up tests

>>68303564
only like 40% of Singaporeans in the PISA test are English native speakers and yet they scored the highest and not only in science but also in math and reading

>>68302908
Truly a wonder of a country.

>>68302885
Bravo Sweden! Passed the average :^)

>science chosen as the main thing to base the ranking on
this ranking is shit

>below argentina yet again
It's not fair!

>>68302998
Thank the pajeets

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feels depressing when i think of how bad most of the people in my school were and yet somehow finland is still better than any other western school

>>68304191
asian countries just send in their best students obviously the fucking cheaters

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>>68302885
http://www.oecd.org/pisa/pisa-2015-results-in-focus.pdf

>>68304184
>Thank the pajeets
Thank you based Pajeets

>>68304240
Indeed, if we banned these cheaters Estonia and Finland would be number 1 and 2

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>>68304191
wrong file lamao

>>68304240
i remember that 6 years ago we were just given lists of who have been chosen for the test and if that person wasn't available another person from the list was selected

im currently reading a newspaper article about korean school system, kid goes to school at 8 and comes back home at 22 quite sick 2bh

>>68303984
What does that have to do with being a native English speaker?

>>68304318
>i remember that 6 years ago we were just given lists of who have been chosen for the test and if that person wasn't available another person from the list was selected
Sounds rigged.

>>68304318
(((another person)))

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>>68304368

>>68302988
our schools are very uniform. there's a very small difference between say a school from a small country village and one from the regions of the capital. of course there are some schools that are consistently head above the others (the so called 'elite' schools), but overall the picture is shit loads better than in other euro countries.

the only problem we have is that the ethnic russians are 1 year behind in school for some reason. if they start pulling their weight we are gonna top the chart every fucking year forever.

>>68304420
>the only problem we have is that the ethnic russians are 1 year behind in school for some reason.
literally every country has this handicap

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>>68304420
>From Estonia's profile from PISA's site
Why are Russians always ruining everything?

>>68304489
probably so

not pointing any fingers or anything, but sweden probably could improve if.. you know, they didn't have the nu-swedes :D

>>68304533
they're not so bad. i think they have a hard time because we are making them transition to full time estonian being the nazi fascist hitler that we are

>>68304571
one can only speculate what a heaven bestonia would be if it hadnt been infested with filthy gommies

>>68304346
Slovak Republic pointed out that the reason why her scores are so low is because there is a sizeable part of the population of her country that does not speak the language of instruction, in that case the Hungarian minority, and therefore she was implying that that could be a disadvantage to her and other countries, but there is not even a correlation between the language of instruction spoken at home and average performance in the three PISA subjects, I remarked a very extreme example with Singapore, because it has the highest performance of all countries/economies but one of the lowest share of 15 years old speaking the language of instruction at home (all of the lessons in Singapore are in English, except for Mother Tongue Literature and Third language)

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>>68305128
maybe the hungarians want to intentionally sabotage the slovak results?

>>68304240
>asian countries just send in their best students obviously the fucking cheaters
there is actually not even a correlation between the coverage of the sample and average performance, for example the sample from Japan and Macedonia represents 95% of the 15 year old population and yet they have very different results, the figures from B-S-J-G (China), Costa Rica and Lebanon are 64%, 63% and 66% respectively and again, very different results, see more here http://all4ed.org/debunking-seven-myths-about-pisa/

>>68302885
fuck this all """test""" garbage. this will prove what? nothing. it even disgusts me

>>68302885
That chart is not important

>>68305128
Who's to say that the PISA tests are conducted in English for all of the Singaporean pupils, though?

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>>68305326
http://oecdeducationtoday.blogspot.mx/2013/12/are-chinese-cheating-in-pisa-or-are-we.html

>>68305382
They are, they are conducted in the language of instruction of the country/economy, as far as I know the only exception was in 2000 in Luxembourg when they fucked up or didn't have time to translate the booklets I don't really remember but the results from Luxembourg in 2000 are not comparable to the other cycles because of that

>>68303984
Everyone under 30 years speaks English natively here. I don't know where you got that number from

>Luxembourg's education system is trilingual: the first years of primary school are in Luxembourgish, before changing to German; while in secondary school, the language of instruction changes to French.[121] Proficiency in all three languages is required for graduation from secondary school, but half the students leave school without a certified qualification, with the children of immigrants being particularly disadvantaged.[122]
what a lovely mess that is

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>>68303984
>only like 40% of Singaporeans in the PISA test are English native speakers
Well meme'd

>>68305754
>he doesn't speak at least three languages

more than just a meme in luxembourg

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>>68304240
>>68304315
and actually there have been some countries that have cheated on PISA surveys for example in 2000 the response rate of schools for the Netherlands was too low and it excluded some schools and the sample was not representative, this was done in order to get a better ranking and therefore the Netherlands was not taken into account to calculate the OECD average in reading in 2000 and is also excluded from trend analysis, this same thing happened in PISA 2015 with Argentina, Malaysia and Kazakhstan (but not with any East Asian country)
>>68303473
>You mad white bois?
Yes, they mad

>>68305852
if i was the master educator of luxembourg i would change the system so luxembourgish is the language of school throughout and german/french are first/second foreign languages with optional third/fourth etc. foreign languages taught if students want to learn them. anyway, that's the way it is here, if you can't speak at least 3 languages you sir are a retard :D

>>68302885

>tfw Serbia too dumb to even show up in this chart.

At least we have Kosovo in there.
378 YAY!

>>68305754
>>68305852

I like them, they are good neighbours.

They have 60% Immigrnats though, wierd shit.

>>68305952
pretty much all of those immigrants are from the EU though, i myself might become one of them in the near future

>>68305920
Thats hard to pull off due to identity politics going in for hundred years in that region.

Alsaccians were forced to speak german and french according who won the last war and are now on the best way of losing their local (german, kek) dialect..Luxembourgians became mad after WW2 and made french the official business language, while still speaking a dialect of german and ..well german at our side of the border.

Its a hot damn Nazi mess, I swear.

>>68305993
Ooh, nice.

Luxemburg city is amazingly beautifull.

I love how they integrated the old fortifications and battlements into a modern city.

You better start learning Letzeburgisch now though, they are very insular and its hard to get into their really close circles.

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>mfw we are actually doing alright in this
We're not utter shit for once

>>68306016
last time i talked with some luxembourgish guy here on /int/ he told me that being fluent in german is usually enough, although i plan on learning french too later on

>>68305952
Kek, Luxemburg is pretty much a portuguese colony by now m8

>>68306099
And I dislike it, at least you are better than °other° groups...but still.

What a shitty decision.

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>>68306069
excuse me? there seems to have been some misunderstandings

just LFMAO @ this gay shit

studying is for pathetic nerds

>>68302885
Can't wait to post this when that Polish dickhead with the Japanese proxy posts the 2012 PISA results next

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>>68306142
I feel you, we dont like them aswell.

They dont depict the average portuguese though. The average portuguese imigrant is way dumber and far less classy (its kind of a meme round here, check pic related, the car driven by the average portuguese imigrant. Yes that's the logo for the portuguese football national team)

It doesnt create a good image.

>>68306268
Kek

>>68302885
UNFAIR UNFAIR FINLAND SHOULD BE NUMBER 1 RÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ

>>68302885
Finland is the best nordic country in PISA, but still the worst country then it comes to living standards except Greenland.

School results doesnt have that much to say?

>>68306802
our alcoholics and poor beggars drive the average down a shitton, although that's probably the case in other countries too, just milder

>>68306802
PISA gives us information about those three skills in people aged between 15 years old and 3 months and 16 years old and 2 months that are enrolled in school, that is like 1-2% of the population in pretty much all participating countries/economies

>>68306930
So what are you saying is

Finns are the best in stuff until they meet the bottle, then they go to shit.

At 15-16 they're god like, then they start drinking and become mortals.

>>68306802
if you didn't notice, estonia with an even lower living standard topped us all, norwegian intellectuals...

>>68306802
You should try having high living standards without oil and with 1200km with Russia

>>68303984
English is the national language you autist

>>68306357
No wonder you don't realise you're a non-country

>>68302885
Absolutely FUCKING shameful.

>>68307174
i fucked more white women than the entire teams of the top 10 chink countries multiplied by 3

one white woman = ten chink women

you can study calculus 2, but youll never be white.. ugly fucking disposable code monkey pajeet tier gook

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>>68306802
>>68306930
One of the big things that PISA misses is the actual use of those skills, what would be the point of being ultra smart if you're not actually making use of those competencies, to transform that intelligence into better economic and social accomplishments, but fortunately we do have data for that, see PIAAC data (also by the OECD)

Shameful. Shit cunt Jonnes don't know how to count these days.

>>68307262
Top kek mace spray,keep up the good bantz.

>>68306983
no, those spurdo memes are an accurate representation of our youth

>>68307287
Our country's job are pretty much doing a set of things repeatedly.Pretty comfy man,you might get things done before lunchbreak if you do it quickly enough.

>>68307287
slovenia, finland and sweden masterace equilibrium

Did Mexico improve?

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>>68307287
For example, Turkey, Cyprus, East Asians countries and East European countries could extract more value out of the skills that their population has, pretty different for example to Anglo and Nordic countries, where even though they are not as higly skilled as the Finnish or the Japanese (and take note that this is in PISA, let alone other large scale international assesments that are more curriculum based like TIMSS and PIRLS) they do utilize the talent of people, to transform it into better economic and social outcomes

>>68306987
But Estonia isnt nordic.

>>68307055
Has Russia really had that much to say on your deveolpment since WW2? With scores like these you should be blowing Sweden and Danmark out of the park though.

>>68307575
it doesn't matter that estonia isn't nordic, it should have already been enough to suggest that there are other factors too

>>68302885
No surprises there, we'll be below Peru this year and below FYROM in 2017.

>Israel that low
>Jews
>smart

>>68307575
If soviets intervene andthreaten you when you try to trade more with western countries, i'd call that hindrance. Thankfully our politicians could balance our trade as well as they could between east and west.

>>68304129
>>68304240
>>68304368
>>68304489
>>68307237
>>68307703


Proofs how shit our country is.
I wished our Education system was more like Finland.

>>68307666
They have to deal with being a former USSR country and only been independent for ~25 year. Also they are probably the former USSR country with the best living standards so it seems to have payed of for them.

You guys have had peace for 75 years. You should be running leaps and bounds around us others.

>>68307857
They're testing high school students, who gives a fuck?

>>68307444
Yes but that has been done pretty much only on the students with the lowest performance, and actually very few countries actually improved (or declined for that matter), as pointed out in the report and in the press releases from the OECD, even though technology has been advancing a lot for the past ten years the performance, the PISA scores have been stagnated, for almost all participating countries with very few exceptions like Mexico, Peru, Singapore, Buenos Aires, Portugal, Macau, Georgia, Albania, etc. (improving) and Finland, Sweden, Australia, Hungary, UAE, etc. (declining)

>>68307865
even now russia has influence over our decisions

we were also wrecked after the war and our education system definitely wasn't the same as now

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>>68307729
I still remember how everyone was impressed with my math skills in high school after I mentally calculated 32*32 in 20 seconds.
It was a good (for Brazilian standards), private school. We were all either 16 or 17 back then.

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1024, like 5-10 seconds, probably got it wrong because I'm good with applying formulas but bad at just doing basic math in my head

>>68308234
>>68308366
also I was literally the worst in my class when I was in high school and in my vocational college I was the best, since vocational colleges are filled with literal retards

>>68305748
that is from PISA 2012, 40% of 15 years olds that were enrolled in school in 2012 in Singapore spoke English at home, where are you getting those numbers from? according to the General Household Survey 2015, 36.9% of people aged 5 years and over in Singapore spoke English at home, up from 32.3 per cent in 2010, and that is only for Residents (i.e. Citizens and Permanent Residents) the figures would be less if it would be including all the people in Singapore

>>68308366
>>68308399
You got it right, Brazilians are really shit at math so if you're average at it (like me) then you'll stand out as of you were good in a developed country.
The saddening part isn't that we're bad at it though, it's that we're getting worse, and not just at math. You see less and less teenagers who can speak English and it's almost impossible to find one that even wants to learn a third language, cheating in tests is seen as the most common thing in the world for them, it's just not India tier because the parents at least pretend to educate them instead of helping them cheating. It doesn't help that our teachers are grossly underpaid and our system tries its best to not link abstract with pratical knowledge. It's pretty depressing, and our public unis (which are far, far better than our private unis on average) go on strike like once a year, this year some students even decided to occupy unis and schools as an act against the government.

>Brazil
>A superpower in our lifetime
>Implying

>dumbminicans

>>68302885
Wow nothing but Asian countries at the top

>>68304420
Is everything bad about Estonia blamed on the Russians?

>>68305368
ZITTO ANIMALE

>>68307721
>If soviets intervene andthreaten you when you try to trade more with western countries

But that didn't happen to Finland

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WE WOULD BE ABOVE FUCKING NEW ZELAND IF WE WERE AN INDEPENDENT COUNTRY. FUCKING GYPSIES FROM THE SOUTH. CASTILLIAN INDEPENDENCE NOW. REEEEE

>>68308088
You just copied our system. You know, back when it was good.

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>under portugal
we lost guys
REEEEE THE SOUTH IS RETARDED

>>68310833
>>68310691
Everyone bu Castillians and Navarrans are retarded. REEEE

>>68311223
gypsyland should secede

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>>68302885
>Argentina got disqualified for rigging the results

http://tn.com.ar/sociedad/argentina-fue-descalificada-de-las-pruebas-pisa_758681

>>68311295
>Castile
>Navarra
>Madrid
New Zeland tier
>Rest of Spain
Slovakia tier.Gypsiland is not the only problem

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Chinks defeat dirty imperialist west once again!

>>68311347
the north is doing OK
from Castilla la Mancha and downwards on the other hand...

>>68311443
>the north is doing OK
t.Asturian/Galician that wants to feel superior to Andalucians

>>68311555
i am from madrid
look at galicia, aragon and asturias

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>>68302885

>>68308234
>>68308366
What the fuck, I could give the answer in less than 2 seconds.

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>>68312513
I can do it too since I memorized the simple ones like the one I mentioned. I was still in high school and was only 16 back then.

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>>68311337
Kek

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>>68312513
I'm not a smart man

>>68312513
we only memorize tables up to 12x12

>>68307521
This is a problem in every Asian country, they can't solve unexpected problems.
I've read this a lot about Singapore. They learn the norms and are really efficient at doing what they are told, but if anything unexpected happens, they get nervous and do not know what to do, start asking others for help and everything freezes. They act like programmed robots.

>>68308576
Wait, so Argentina is just sampling Buenos Aires? How the fuck is that fair?

>>68315104
sry was meant for >>68308020 tho I gather you're the same guy

>>68304184

They just use Buenos Aires, not fair desu.

Every country would be higher if it could avoid having its rural shitholes tested.

>>68302885
Portugal the smartest southern europe country including france,,norway,austria,iceland,etc.
nice

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>>68306802
You would most likely be at the bottom of out of nordics without oil.

There are absolutely zero significant brands or inventions from norway

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>>68315825
>There are absolutely zero significant brands or inventions from norway

>>68302885
In portugal we'll keep having better and better pisa rankings I assure you.

>>68311337
I like to imagine that we are at the bottom of this survey so I can finally leave this place of all the bullying I would get

>>68302885
Why are polacks so dumb?

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>>68315893
Superior ostehóvl passing through

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>>68315893

>>68302885
I honestly can't believe Slovenia is doing better than every other European country except for mongols. It feels like I'm living in a country filled with clinical retarss

>>68315104
The "rigging" was because the government reformed the education system in 2006, so provinces could opt between a 6 year primary school + 6 years secondary school, or stick with the old 7 + 5, decision to be taken in something like 8 years after the law came to be, so roughly 2014.
Half the provinces opted for the 6+6, wich for a bureaucractic mess made it so a portion of 15 year olds were not elegible and that triggered an instantaneous "something's going on here" and the results were excluded.
The City of Buenos Aires and a few other provinces decided to keep the old system, and since our PISA scores were already divided a few years ago between the entirety of Argentina and the City, and the city complied with the regulations, the scores for it were used.

>>68316294
You should travel more.

>>68316095
Still smarter than kikes from Israel

>>68316412
Man, look at our economy and politics and tell me there is nothing wrong with our society? People here think we are Western, yet most of them live with 800€ a month and vote for the most corrupt and backward political parties (and after the election they complain what a horrible prime minister have they elected).

>>68316401
It's still not a straight comparison, see >>68315220

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>>68316095

>>68316816
nice fake statistics, you surely convinced him

>>68316877
Take a look at fucking american low-IQ chimpanzees. Their country would be a total third world shithole without talented immigrants flowing there constantly. I hope that they build walls all over themselves so they could finally die in their niggerish stink.

>>68316771
I'm aware, but China does that shit too

>>68315779
WE ARE SMARTER WE JUST HAVE A PILE OF SHIT IN THE SOUTH. WE ARE SMARTER THAN NEW ZELAND: ACKNOWLEDGE OUR SUPERIORITY
>>68310691

>>68302885
I told you Estonia would beat Finland next time. We have too much immigrants now.

>>68317017
You do realize you're only cheating yourselves? The whole purpose to PISA is it's a tool to improve your education system, not a vehicle for propaganda.

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japan>korea

this is a fake.

fuck you jap monkey.

>>68307291
The only thing you should be ashamed of is letting mudbloods flood the country and do nothing about it.

https://ktl.jyu.fi/julkaisut/julkaisuluettelo/julkaisut/2014/D110.pdf

Suomen aineistossa ensimmäisen sukupolven maahanmuuttajataustaiset nuo-
ret saavuttivat matematiikassa keskimäärin 425 pistettä (keskihajonta 91) ja toisen
sukupolven maahanmuuttajanuoret puolestaan 449 pistettä (keskihajonta 84) (ku-
vio 5). Molemmat tulokset olivat merkitsevästi heikompia kuin OECD-maiden pis-
temäärien keskiarvo (494), mutta tämän lisäksi ne olivat merkitsevästi heikompia
kuin vastaavat OECD-maiden maahanmuuttajataustaisten oppilaiden keskiarvot:
OECD-maissa ensimmäisen sukupolven maahanmuuttajien keskiarvo oli 454 pis-
tettä ja toisen sukupolven 469 pistettä. OECD-maiden joukossa Suomen maahan-
muuttajataustaisten nuorten matematiikan tulokset olivat heikoimpien joukossa.
Eurooppalaisissa OECD-maissa heikommat tulokset saivat vain Kreikan ja Ruotsin
maahanmuuttajataustaiset nuoret, ja Ranskan tulokset olivat samalla tasolla Suo-
men kanssa (OECD 2013a, 236). Suomessa muiden kuin maahanmuuttajataus-
taisten oppilaiden keskiarvo matematiikassa oli 522 pistettä ja keskihajonta 84 pis-
tettä. Ensimmäisen sukupolven maahanmuuttajataustaisten ja muiden kuin maa-
hanmuuttajataustaisten nuorten ero matematiikan pistemäärässä oli siis 97 pistet-
tä. Tämä ero oli OECD-maiden suurin. Vastaava luku OECD-maissa keskimäärin
oli 46 pistettä. Toisen sukupolven maahanmuuttajataustaisten nuorten ero muihin
kuin maahanmuuttajataustaisiin nuoriin on kapeampi, 73 pistettä. Myös tämä ero
oli OECD-maiden suurin; vastaava luku OECD-maissa keskimäärin oli 31 pistettä.

>>68317602
Yleensäkin muilla kuin ensimmäisen sukupolven maahanmuuttajilla, toisin sa-
noen Suomessa syntyneillä oppilailla, kodin sosioekonomiaa kuvaavien muuttu-
jien selityskyky oli selvästi asennemuuttujia vähäisempi. Ensimmäisen sukupolven
maahanmuuttajilla maininnan arvoisia matematiikassa menestymisen selittäjiä
olivat edellä mainittujen lisäksi oppilaan lähialuetausta (Suomen naapurimais-
ta muuttaneet menestyivät kokonaisuutena paremmin) ja koulusta pinnaaminen
(pinnaamisen runsaus liittyi odotetusti heikkoon menestykseen). Muiden kuin
maahanmuuttajataustaisten oppilaiden ryhmässä tärkeät motivaatiotekijät sen si-
jaan eivät olleet maahanmuuttajaoppilailla tärkeimpien selittäjien joukossa.


Toisen
sukupolven maahanmuuttajataustaisilla nuorilla näkyy hyvin heikko positiivinen
yhteys, jossa ulkoinen motivaatio selittää matematiikan osaamisen vaihtelusta vain
2 prosenttia. Ensimmäisen sukupolven maahanmuuttajataustaisilla nuorilla ulkoi-
sen motivaation ja matematiikassa menestymisen välillä taas ei ole minkäänlaista
tilastollisesti merkitsevää yhteyttä. Heillä ulkoisen motivaation selitysaste on käy-
tännössä nolla. Näyttääkin siltä, että samalla kun maahanmuuttajataustaiset nuo-
ret ilmoittavat olevansa enemmän sekä ulkoisesti että sisäisesti motivoituneita kuin
muut nuoret, heillä tämä motivaatio ei vaikuta yhtä suoraviivaisesti ja vahvasti ma-
tematiikassa menestymiseen.

man we're retarded, good thing we have allah on our side xd

>>68317602
>>68317640
We are all friends in here faggot, give us a TL;DR.

>>68317365
You do realize that the scores were divided years ago because the City usually refused most of the education reforms the national government tried to pull out? It's not about trying to "cheat" on the tests, you can actually go to older PISAs and notice that the average for the country is and will always be lower than the main city. I'm not denying that. No one with a brain would deny it. If the scores for CABA are presented it's because the OECD decided that the tests on the city were fairly isolated and reliable compared to the rest of the country.
The last government manipulated every statistic they could to make sure they'd win every election, they didn't care about improving.

>All these asia nation at top 10
wew

>>68317640
https://hommaforum.org/index.php/topic,117689.0.html

>>68317699
It already comes clear in my English sentence, everything else is just technicalities.

>>68310505
Well it literally is the russians, SEE:
>>68304533

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>>68317705
>canada

>>68317602
>OECD-maissa heikommat tulokset saivat vain Kreikan ja Ruotsin
>maahanmuuttajataustaiset nuoret
finland 1
sweden 0

>>68317253
Holy shit, i literally remember one finn saying it like a year ago.

>>68302885
>China made the list 4 times

>>68317653
>68317653
it's the K*rds and ayyrabs not Turks.

>>68318047
LEAFED

>>68304283
bravo indonesia

>>68302885
It's interesting to see the insane variation within the USA. In 2014, Massachusetts would have been 3rd on this list, while Alabama would have been be 48th. Certain states drag our national average up or down so far it's like they're different countries.