Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1768

Opapai wo momu
Oppai wo momutoki
Oppai wo mon de
Oppai momitai
Oppai Momasete
Oppai Momi Momi shi te

>>68300044
Oppai ga momarete shimau

>>68300044
oppaisuwaritee

>>68300128
>>68300095
yamete

>>68299530
Well yeah, he corrects 俺 to 僕 because he wants to communicate respect and recognition of his lower social status. But doing that in general, even if the situation doesn't warrant it, suggests a subservient mindset because using 俺 does not take any extra effort and expresses that you do not see the other party as having higher status. Using 僕 amongst equals, except perhaps when politely asking for a favor or something, does sound beta.

>>68300128
oppai suwaru >no suwaru> sit sawaru > toutch
oppaisawaritai 〇

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>>>/jp/16210877

>>68300201
arigatou
nankamatigatterujanaikatoomottetandakedoyappamatigatteta
amariromajidekakanaisi
yapparikanjinohougaiine

>>68300198
People who argue that men shouldn't use 僕 in casual situations always end up using words like "beta". It's a meme.

>>68300431
>beta is also a meme
Well, that explains a lot.

I'm confused, the mods are allowing DJT over /jp/? I just noticed the thread over there that hit bump limit with like 600+ posts.

Are they testing the waters or something?

>>68300482
It always boils down to "you shouldn't use 僕 unless you really have to because it makes you sound like a fag," and that's just a person's opinion about a language they don't even speak natively. There's nothing inherently beta about 僕 and if someone uses it in casual speech I don't automatically think "boot-licking people-pleaser." Just that they don't speak very gruffly.

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>mfw 入れる shows up in anki after I see it in a doujin

Is Tae Kim's grammar guide + Michel Thomas a good idea?

>>68300994
I don't think the effect is all that pronounced (pun intended), no. But now that we've gone there, let me put it like this. Imagine, if you will, a certain couple of fags. One of them uses 俺, the other 僕. Which one would you presume to be the pitcher, which one the catcher?

>>68300970
Yup, DJT is allowed on all boards now. We won. Feel free to post wherever you like, although try and maintain the same high quality of posting we had on /a/.

Are there any good offline dictionary apps i can use on the fly ? I hate to be using jisho.org all the time when im searching for words

>>68301716
So the real reason to use 俺 instead of 僕 is to make sure that no one mis-casts you as the catcher in their yaoi fantasies.

>>68302199
Actually, it's the other way around.

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>>68302088

>>68302088
tagaini jisho

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>>68300198
>he wants to communicate respect and recognition of his lower social status.
IF HE WANT SO,
HE SHOULD USE 私(わたくし)
>>68301716
僕は、公式な場では使わない

>>68302488
我が名は通います

>>68302488
is the meme that 僕 is "childish" or mostly used by children true?

>>68302518
you probably shouldn't be asking someone who has completely shut himself off from society

あたしは男だよ

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>>68302199
>>68302274
>yaoi fantasies.
腐っている
>>68302516
意味不明
>>68302518
YOU ARE RIGHT
WE FEEL IT AS CHILDISH WORD

>>68302589
>意味不明
勿ロン

>tfw I being beta actually use ぼく in casual speech, but place accent on く not ぼ that usually has accent to try to reduce my betaness.

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>>68302733
>not using 俺様
あんたホモじゃない

根版は

>>68302733
I really don't like either ore (too normie/pushy) nor boku (too gay/passive), I would probably stick to watashi, or maybe washi for the giggles.

>>68302531
私←polite
あたし←shemale

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Pretty advanced sentence, this one. I need to stop for a sec and analyze it but exposure fixes everything

>>68303513
うそつき
あたしは決権の方言使い方やぜ

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おはようおにいちゃん

ちょっとおしえて

琺瑯の容器がほしいとき

えいごでなんていえば通じるの

>Could you tell me where is the enamel coated stuffs department?

アテクシ→最強

>>68303706
Could you tell me where the enameled dishes are?

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こんいちは

日本に住んでいます! 今日の天気は良かったです!

埼京線の痴漢を注意くださいね!

>>68303873
どこからそもイメジだした

>>68303913
-> どこからそのイメジだした

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>>68303924
s四s

>>68303947
3q

>>68303569
>決権
決権って何?どこかの方言?
’アタシ’を使用している男性を見た事がない。
’私’は社会人の男性は使うが。

>>68303873
埼京線の車内で4chan見てる外国人みつけたら通報しとくわね

>>68304132
ごめん、ごめん
冗談滑るみたいな

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>かくかくしかじか
This expression is useful.

>>68304320
>エコカー減税

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あたしは空条承太郎
どうも

>>68304484
Guessed the reading as Kuujou Shoutarou, I'm actually learning!

>>68301566
Please, respond.

>>68304771
I don't know what michael thomas is.

>>68301566
>>68304771
Who is Michael Thomas

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Going through old screenshots, have this image named "DJT" for some reason, please enjoy

>しかし正門の、学園でいえば学園の名前が掲げられるべき場所には次のような名前が掲げられていた。
What does this mean? Context: Guy arrived at a gate to a building that reminded him of the entrance to his school.

アンキやりたくない
でもやらなきゃ・・

>>68305167
Given the 次のような there, I figure the next line is needed to figure what kind of name is laid upon the school gates instead of the school's name.

>>68305167
>But on the gate, where the name of the school should be, another name was in its place.

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これは良いわ
日本たちのアシスタンス

本当の日本人かしら

>>68305216
>>68305229
Ah, I get it now. Thanks

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ITH is not reliably getting all the text for this particular VN, sometimes it only gets a kanji or two of the whole sentence, like in this picture.

It worked perfectly fine for another VN, how do I solve this?

>>68305317
>how do I solve this?
Obligatory some games simply don't work well with a texthooker, and some require tedious implementation of H-codes, such that if a game doesn't work it's sometimes best to just read something else that does.

>>68305317
1) Make sure you're using ITHVNR and not ITH
2) If you're already using ITHVNR, check for updates
3) If the above two fail, you need an h-code
4) If you can't find one, you're screwed. Try "hook any text", it's the last resort.

>>68305251
いいえ、その"""日本人"""は英語教師やプロキシしかいない

>>68305359
>>68305393
I found the h-code, thanks!

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>>68305251
>>68305404
あたしでよかったら

assistするよ

12さいが書くような

えいごで

かいてくれればよめるよ

Give topics to write about on lang8 please

>>68306166
>what is the difference between chinchin, chinpo, and chinko?
there you go

>>68304400
>エコカー

N1~N2

>エコカー購入時には税制優遇があるが
>下取りする際の畜電池交換は所有者負担であり
>売却時にバッテリー交換の債務が付加されるため
>無計画な減価償却での購入は後で泣きを見ることになる

>>68306166
-Bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki
-Unit 731
-Replacing the japanese imperial system with a republic
-How all east asians look all the same
-Asking when is the 大日本帝国 going to revive

>>68306166
Japanese war crimes

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>絆
>hey that sounds like that one shitty ani-
>oh

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>>68306199
>>68306288
>>68306338
Well... I can relate, these sites are geared towards people who have actual lives to blog about.

My general approach is to write fictional, short stories with dialogues. They are pretty weird, but Japs seem to like it - when they understand them.

>>68306644
Like a movie script? Can you give an example?

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>>68306644
>write fictional, short stories with dialogues
I'm afraid I'm too shy and not autistic enough to do such a thing and post it on a blog-type site

>>68303545
It's easy, he's having Italian Ramen for dinner

にほん流行語大賞が決まったよ

1位は「トランプ」

>>68306644
just talk about the weather, the lastest book/movie you read/watch, what you bought for groceries and plan to make for dinner.
Basically talk about what you did recently.

>Inb4
今日は一日中4ちゃんで投稿した。

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>>68306740
>>68306821
http://pastebin.com/kgbD7L8s - エンジョイ!

I believe this is similar to a LN format, although I haven't read any to tell for sure.
I posted this one on /a/'s DJT back when I wrote it, but no one read it. ;_;

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>>68305928
じゃあ

アルミ缶の上にあるみかんって何?
何で笑う?

>>68307200
音が同じだから駄洒落になってるの

あるみかん
のうえに
あるみかん

So I have just learned the superior 朝食 昼食 夕食. They're cool because they give me access to words like 昼食会 昼食後, etc. Recommended

>>68307531
What's the actual difference between those and the ○ごはん? formal and casual respectively?

>>68307200
It's not a funny joke lol

こたつの中でちんこ立つ

>>68307899
なんで立ってるんだ?

>>68307638
Yes. 食>ごはん>メシ in a formality order

>>68307959
It's joke
こたつ と こ立つ

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>>68307959

>>68308222
冗談だといってもな
現実には珍しくないんだよ
ピチピチギャルと足を触り合っていれば勃起してもおかしくないさ

日本語能力試験の現地でかわいいおばさんが人にやたらと話していた
「こんにちは!元気?」といってた
日本人はすごくかわいいよね

>>68308722
>元気?
>not お元気ですか
馴れ馴れしい女は嫌いだ

>>68308722
ここは試験があった学校の前に日本人の記者さんが集まって、受験者とインタービューをしようとしていた

俺は俯いて早々通り越したけど

>>68309230
日本の記者はしつこいからなぁ

>>68308272
source?

>>68312085
妹が挑戦的なので強気にでてみた

>>68312276
thanks but why do you know the source lol

>>68312327
It's one of the many ero-manga scenarios my 妹 has asked me to recreate with her.

What's that site that measured the size of your vocabulary again?

>>68313297
https://www.arealme.com/japanese-vocabulary-size-test/ja/

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>>68313498
Thanks
壊れちゃったかな

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>>68314210
しょうがないね

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>Mature rate dropping from 90% to 85%

Is my brain deteriorating?

>>68314865
Maybe, but that started to happen to me around month 10 as well. My Young cards have surpassed matures.

I blame the lack of reading.

>>68314865
Probably just a natural result of doing a lot of non-mined cards in anki.

When you start out, all the words you learn are heavily reinforced. You see them everywhere. So it is easy to have a very high rate with the first words that mature. Then after a few thousand words you start adding things that you might not see outside of anki for a while, so when they start maturing it gets harder and your mature rate drops down to something more normal.

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>>68315749
Y-Yeah that must be it

>>68315852
>that many words
>still mining more a day than you can get through
why

>>68316014
What do you mean by why? And 13k isn't much when you consider an average adult knows 40k+.

>>68316097
The biggest anki addict we've had capped out at like 21k

>an average adult knows 40k+.
These estimates are very inaccurate, and even if it is is true the majority of those are things that they don't use actively and just kinda get the meaning from the kanji and context.

>>68316354
>that they don't use actively
Usage in day to day life? Sure. But if you read novels and consume fiction you will not be able to read anything without constantly looking up stuff with a vocabulary of only 15k~. If someone with only so few words opened up an eroge by Mareni and read for 10 minutes he'd probably mine 30+ words.

Although I do agree that at the 15k-20k mark you probably don't need Anki anymore and are better off manually learning things.

>>68317135
>But if you read novels and consume fiction you will not be able to read anything without constantly looking up stuff with a vocabulary of only 15k

There's a lot of different levels of fiction. Mareni is above "native" level. And you're just making up that number. Certainly you can read native material with only 15k words in anki.

Native's don't "know" all words. If natives read a novel, there will be a lot of words for which they use context to infer the meaning. Even in relatively easy novels there will be words that they couldn't list off the definition of but where they can understand the sentence containing the word. I'm not native, but even if I were to read Mareni there would be a lot of words I hadn't seen before but wouldn't actually look up.

<-soft----hard->
おっぱい,乳,boobs

>>68318014
イミフ

>>68303545
How is this remotely advanced? Got it in one go.

>頭の中にアマーティと連れ立って楽しそうにしているホロの様子が浮かんでは消える

What is 浮かんでは消える? What does the は do?

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>>68319862
Just because the information is as backloaded as possible I assume.

Here's a harder one for you

>>68320069
implies alternating repetition of both verbs

>>68320134
ty

Did anything happen to the raw manga thread on /a/?

>>68320878
It's not a general so it's not up 24/7. You're always free to post one if you want, and poach users from related threads on other boards by posting it in such places.

>>68320929
I'm fine. I was just wondering if it had gotten rounded up as well.

>>68321140
Nah, no problems there.

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Do I want to start Anki while still going through my grammar book of choice, or wait until afterwards? Should I be doing Core2k right now?

>>68321222
You know what they say, the best day to start Anki is yesterday. The second best is today.

>>68321286
but today is eventually going to be yesterday

>>68321222
Right away.
Those grammar guides use words. Knowing the words is therefore quite useful.

>>68320929
More like, no one reads manga because VNs are so infinitely superior so it died due to lack of discussion.

>>68321490
Why is there not a raw VN thread then, friend?

>>68321414
>>68321286
ありがとございます(^ω^)

>>68321543
Because it's on /jp/

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Anyone know anything about this book? Or about the info on the website in general?

>>68321569
Sharing Anki is its own reward
>>68321611
Pretty damning evidence. How will vn-fags respond?

>>68321752
No but I can tell you that you'll learn more just by using anki and just going through any popular textbook than you will by fussing about finding the "best" beginner book

>>68321763
The VN thread on /jp/ was made 4 days ago and is only just about to hit the bump limit. A thread like that would die just as fast as a raw manga thread if it was on /a/

>>68299998
Donald John Trump

>>68321752
>Have to give them your email to get a free preview
>The cost of a romaji edition is bundled into all of the packages
It's probably shit

>>68322284
People would deliberately bump it if they had to, it's just being on /jp/ there's no need to. And I've seen threads on /a/ survive ~6 days before hitting the bump limit, we almost made it to the next week's episode but not quite.

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>>68322451
The best sushi is made at Trump Tower Grill. I love Japanese!

>>68322076
> you'll learn more just by using anki and just going through any popular textbook
Well, yeah I'm doing that, but it doesn't hurt to have more resources
>>68322468
What are your thoughts on this? https://8020japanese.com/japanese-sentence-structure/
I'm obviously a beginner so I don't know what information I read is correct and what isn't, like a common thing I read everywhere is that です is the polite form of で when that's not entirely true

>>68320094
>>68323322
Fuck /int/ and their bullshit board who can't register Japanese syntax properly.

Is it :
一人ぐらいと思う気持ちが
ゴミの山
or
一人ぐらいと
思う気持ちがゴミの山
?

>>68323116
名詞です
です as a copula. Alternate with だ.

するです
です as a gobi. Do not alternate with だ.

>>68323386
と思う is unitary here

I have an itch to play Amagami but I don't want to ruin the experience by having to look up every other word since I'm still relatively new.

How's Kimikiss as a first VN?

>>68322720
Just because some autist kept bumping a thread for a week doesn't mean the raw manga threads have someone willing to spend as much time making sure the thread doesn't die

>>68323730
Yeah you have to bump it pretty much every hour and a half to ensure it doesn't die.

>>68323679
VNs go in the /jp/ DJT, this thread is for blogs and meta discussion.

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Explain this thread to me.

>>68305393
>Make sure you're using ITHVNR and not ITH
What's the difference between the two? I don't know which one I downloaded.

>>68325006
Sounds good to me. Where do we get the mods to sign up?

>>68325110
ITH is dead, ITHVNR is based on an updated version of ITH's texthook engine that's maintained by the VNR team.

>>68325118
What do you mean? The threads alive right now, that means the mods have authorised it.

>>68325334
They made it autosage at the 150th-ish post.

>>68325352
On a slow board like /jp/ autosage literally means nothing, the thread would've hit bump limit anyway. The real test will be when the thread dies and someone tries to remake it.

>>68325093
日本語でおk?

>>68307141
>this page is no longer available
I'm sure it was great though.

>>68326855
「おい、ウサギさん、どこへ行ったの、今朝?」
「なーなんと言う。。。俺は全然ここにいるんだ。」
「本当?だったら、この写真に心配するは不要と思いますね。」
「しゃー写真?見せてくれ!」
。。。
「あーあーあーあー当たり前でしょう、内じゃない!他のウサギだ、確信です。」
「あぁぁ、なるほど。すまんな!だって、私は何しろ記者だから、このウサギに写真の出版許可が必要です。」
「そうかそうか、じゃ、頑張ってね。またー」
「けどね、残念さ。。。もしあなたのことになったら、全てが大分に簡単のかなぁ。そしてこのお金の鞄がとても重いさ。」
「かー鞄って言った?」
「はい、この量は財布に入れが無理よ。全く、先はどこに探してだろう。」
「えと。。。記者さん。」
「はい?」
「そーそのウサギのこと。。。知ってる。」
「なに?」
「はは、ほら、にんじんの大会で知り合った、覚えてしまった。」
「なら、どこー」
「言ってことは出来ない、すみません!しかし。。。彼に行き来がある、だから、俺に情報をくれて、要請を伝えます!」
「けどお金のー」
「それも届きます!」
「えぇ、本当ですか?ありがとう、ウサギさん!」
「いや。。。とんでもない。記者さんは親友だからね。。。ははは。。。えと。。。名前は?」
「ん?」
「彼の名前はも出版していますか?」
「うん、もちろん。」
「そうか。。。ならば、大きいく字を使って下さい。えとね、誤解の予報つもりだけね!」
「はいはい。何見当がありますか?この記事は明日の刊のだから。」
「わー分かりました、すぐに行こう!じゃね!」
「気おつけてね!あのウサギは変体ので、注意をして!」
「はーはい!」

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>>68327072
>なーなんと
>しゃー写真
>あーあーあーあー当たり前
>かー鞄って
>そーその
>わー分かりました
>はーはい
くー草生える

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>>68327072
*「あーあーあーあー当たり前でしょう、ウチ(家)じゃない!他のウサギだ、確信です。」
*「けどね、残念なのさ。。。もしあなたのこだったら、全てがとても簡単なのかなぁ。そしてこのお金の鞄がとても重いのさ。」
*「そうか。。。ならば、大きな字を使って下さい。ええとね、誤解の謝罪の告知のつもりだけどね!」
*「気おつけてね!あのウサギは変態なので、注意をして!」
>>68327289
草を生やすな
50歩100歩だろ
目糞、鼻糞を笑うとも云う

>>68327462
山田をエロい目で見るな

>>68327585
やまだが屋根裏にすんでくれるとしたら

あのんはどうする?

Does somebody feel like he is learning some obscure shit like ancient egyptian or something?

Even after years of study, reading japanese still feel a lot harder than reading latin script in any language.

>>68327462
あんな奴と一緒にすんな

>>68327713
t just tro nul lol

>>68327713
>Does somebody feel like he is learning some obscure shit like ancient egyptian or something?
No.
>Even after years of study, reading japanese still feel a lot harder than reading latin script in any language.
Get good

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>>68327585
間違って、metal nameにしてしまったって、マンマやん
絵師Tonyの描く山田はエロエロやね
>>68327740
さよか(左様か)

>>68327700
友達にする
会話相手にする

>>68327870
じゃあそれが

美羽だったら?

>>68327912
誰

>>68327774
ha oué mrd jy avez pa pensait

>>68328160
How much have you read so far?

Like how many VNs, LNs and/or manga.

>tfw utterly addicted with progress
>tfw swole and take 400mg of caffiene and stjohns wort


When did you become dedicated to life and learning japanese and everything?

Would you guys care if I posted a bunch of videos that helped me shape my mentality?

>>68328520
Be yourself

>>68328781
Read dummy

>>68328781
"websites"
There are textbooks

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>>68328068

>>68323386
It's one sentence I don't know what you're talking about

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>>68329599
ひとりが一個ずつ

ゴミをすてただけで

ゴミだらけになってしまうけど

ひとりが一個づつ

ゴミをひろってかえれば

ゴミはなくなるんだよ

>>68329457
加藤英美里のことか
だったらなんで美羽っていうの
すみません、話の繋がりが見えなくなってきた
僕の日本語はそんなに下手なのかな

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>>68323386
you should use comma "、"
一人ぐらいと思う気持ちが、ゴミの山。
→
一人くらいはゴミを捨ててもいいだろうと思う気持ちが、ゴミの山をつくる。
thinking that the one is allowed to throw away garbage makes a rubbish heap.
>>68329753
いや、俺もわからん
山田美羽というのは、確かにいたがね

>>68328520
>Would you guys care if I posted a bunch of videos that helped me shape my mentality?
I would

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>>68328520
>When did you become dedicated to life and learning japanese and everything?

It all started when I got absolutely assblasted on /trv/ about 2 months ago

I could probably link the thread too

Basically i'm going to spend the next 4 years of my life proving that fucker wrong

He did convince me not to go the military route though.

>>68330380
link

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>>68330403
Welp.

http://archive.4plebs.org/trv/thread/1172815/#1173512

Not my proudest day, but it gave me the kickstart my life needed.

>>68330537
You're not gonna make it.

>studied for 4 months and one week
>not fluent yet
feels bad man

>>68329753
「わけがわからないよ」

>>68331042
Nay sir. Since then:

>I ran to college and registered for the next semester
>I put in my 2 weeks at one of my jobs
>finally started learning
>bought memrise pro and will be using anki later on
>already made friends on lang8

I can make it, and I will make it.

>>68331125
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BN_YXNpG2G0

This video will cure your problems.

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>>68331125
このポストは餌ですか。

>>68331183
I think you can do it, just don't expect it to come quickly.

>>68331183
>friends on lang8/hellotalk/whatever
total waste of time desu until you can speak their language better than they speak yours

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>>68330537
>Get a fuckin bike man

>>68331263
>この
その*
目に前じゃないから

>>68331424
そっか、どうも。

>>68331424
「この」のままでいいんじゃない?
それで「目に前」じゃなくて「目の前」だよ
もう・・

anyone have that image about how to create your own anki deck?

i have like 100 words written down and i'd like to make an anki deck with them

>>68331508
心底どうでもいいけど

「これ」が一番自然なんじゃないかな

>>68331508
私はそうも思いました。

>>68331670
ありがとう。

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>>68331740
がんばって

おにいちゃんならできるよ

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>>68331263
釣りです
>>68331424
>>68331462
>>68331508
>>68331670
同じpostのhttp://i.4cdn.org/int/1481071233951.pngを指すため、
「これ」が自然です

>>68331424
「この」のほうが自然ですわよ
相手の画像にむけてなら「その」
自分の画像だから「この」でオッケー

>>68331837
>>68331788
指してるのは相手の画像じゃなくて相手のセリフなんだけどそれでも「それ」か?

数字で引用してるから「これ」でいいと思ったんだけど

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>>68331424
Good ol' Brazil.

>>68331903
レス先見てなかったよ~もうしわけない
「これ」で良いね

Is 芸祭 different than 芸術祭?

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Ankiだいきらいなのに
日本は美しい

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>>68331903
漢字て書くと
此の
其の

あの

ただし、あのは「彼の」ですが、これは「かの」若しくは「かれの」と読まれてしまいます
話者の近くにあれば「この」です
>>68332315
maybe, it's shorting of 芸大祭, University Arts Festival

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今日、仕事に行かなくて勉強もしなかった。僕は遅滞だよ!

もしかし鬱がかも知れない。

>>68333177
もう自殺するしかないね

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>want to read something
>so many things I could read
>end up overwhelmed
>don't read anything for the entire day

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>>68333280

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>>68333199

まだ自殺出来ない。

一番ブラジの有名な作家なりたい

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>>68333177
こわいよ

そういうこわいがぞういや

ねむれなくなっちゃ

ぐー

>>68333310
I'm wondering if there is any porn of this girl

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-ThqCkENdA
No matter how hard I try, I can never really tell what they're saying. They're speaking way too fast and it's all computerized. How well would I have to know Japanese to understand what they're saying at all?

>>68333500
N2 + vocabulary relevant to the game

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>>68333322
日本で有名なブラジル人作家

にほんとブラジルって友好国なのに

ブラジル観光ってどこいったらいいのか

よくわかんない

>>68333333

>>68333788
さすがにどうでもe

>海上保安官麻薬取締官警察官自衛官その他司法関係者しか拳銃を持っていません資料免許をお持ちの方は猟銃を持っています

Jesus fucking christ

>>68333772
ブラジルになんて行ったら強盗にあうだけだ

>>68333772
行くのが遅かったな
オリンピックは終わったぞ

>>68299998
Been learning mandarin for a few years in school
how similar is japanese?

>>68334382
Very different but being comfortable with kanji is a big advantage.

>>68334395
do they have similar grammar or not at all?

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So according to the guide:
>learn kana
>research basic grammar
>download anki and core2k
>read, read, read
>research advanced grammar as it comes up while reading, and put new terms into a second anki deck
How hard is reading going to suck when you know less than 2000 words? And how long does it take to get past that stage?

>>68334432
They couldn't possibly be further apart.

>>68334460
oh well
at least I have something to start with

>>68334437
A lot but you can focus on anki until 4k words or so when reading starts getting easier

>>68334437
>How hard is reading going to suck when you know less than 2000 words?
Just imagine what it would be like to read stuff in English while only knowing 2000 words.

>>68334437
Depends a lot of how quickly you're able to make sense of the grammar. There's nothing worse than running into a sentence with a lot of words you don't know on top of grammar you don't fully understand. If it's just the words, though, then it doesn't really suck much. There are a lot of great tools out there to quickly look up words in a dictionary assuming you're reading stuff on your computer.

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>>68334506
Ah, so I should do core6k instead then?
I heard there were a lot of business terms in 6K that made it less useful to weebs like me.
>6000 / 20 words per day = 300 days
Ugh

>>68334584
I'll probably be reading baby's first manga for the most part, so text hooking or whatever isn't really an option. I've skimmed through Tae Kim already and most of it made sense, but I'm going to go through it again and take notes.

>>68334553
I've always had a broad vocabulary so I literally can't imagine that.

Nothing to it but to do it. Thanks guys.

>>68334733
>I'll probably be reading baby's first manga for the most part, so text hooking or whatever isn't really an option.
That's fine. For manga, use KanjiTomo and you're set.

Learning question, do you consider it absolutely necessary to understand a text on its entirety in order to improve your language skills?

>>68334437
Depends on how much dictionary lookup you can tolerate. I was able to ditch the dictionary while reading shounen manga, ending up with less-than-full but more-than-adequate comprehension, after having internalized all the grammar in the DoBJG and being familiar with some from the DoIJG, knowing all the 常用漢字 + a couple hundred more, and being halfway through Core6k. That was much sooner than I had anticipated, but as it turns out informed guesses based on context and Kanji knowledge go a long way toward compensating for a lack of vocabulary.

>>68334748
>Kanjitomo
Hey this sounds neat.
My plan was to use jisho radical lookup to find the constituent kanji of unfamiliar terms, then use rikaichan to import the jukugo into an anki deck. Maybe this will expedite the process.

Thanks again.

>>68334791
The "rule" I set for myself back when I started was to skip it if I can't make sense of it within a reasonable amount of time, but if I'm finding myself skipping so much that I can't understand what's going on, drop what I'm reading/watching and go for something easier.

The reasoning being that if you're able to fill those holes with the context, you're still learning. If you don't understand the context, then that doesn't work anymore and you could be doing something more productive. That said, I have nothing to back that up with and is only based on what I think makes sense.

>>68334872
Wait, you knew the 2100ish jouyou kanji within the span of a year?
Are you a computer?

>>68334791
>do you consider it absolutely necessary to understand a text on its entirety in order to improve your language skills?

I'd say so, yeah. How many times on a daily basis would you say you read a straightforward text in your native language and get confused by a full sentence or sentences and just end up guessing on what it says based on context? Hardly ever right? Especially if you don't move out of your particular area of interests whether they be fantasy novels or scientific articles or what have you.

Of course that's not to say that you have to put everything else on hold until you understand it. You can always just go back once you've read more and perhaps encountered similar conventions that are more feasibly comprehensible to assist you in understanding what you couldn't before.

>>68335019
You could do 10 kanji a day and know well over 3k after a year, and 10 isn't really a crazy amount either, especially if you don't care about production.

>>68299998
why is this useless shitty thread still here.

fuck all of you stupid fatfucks who learn the language

LEAVE NOW >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>/jp/

>>68335267
何キレてんのよいきなりw

>>68335259
Did you study them via Remembering the Kanji, or with readings included? I could probably handle 10 a day if it was picture + meaning but picture + meaning + reading sounds crazy.

>>68335353
If you read then you will pick up kanji readings easily.

>>68335267
Having both a DJT on /int/ and here would indeed be a good idea. I'm not sure how many of you realize DJT was polluted with cancerous bloggers who actually enjoy they stay on /int/ right as I am typing this.

Not farther than yesterday some of them were saying about how people from /a/ or /jp/ are autistic about otaku culture and how they're happy about them being gone from the DJT /int/ thread. This and countless messages about how /int/ is nice because no one can tell them to fuck off with their avatarfagging and constant shitposting. "If we can't blog and shitpost there's no point to DJT". So yes, two DJT is a marvelous idea. /int/ is a trash can anyway, who cares if they get one more facebook thread in their catalog.

>>68335353
Learned the readings via words. I just wanted to get as quickly as possible to the point where I could open a manga with furigana, see something like 嘘発見器(うそはっけんき), and guess that it meant lie detector based on the individual Kanji meanings + context.

When studying radicals should I also study the readings for each radical, or just the meaning of the radical in English?

>>68335462
Okay so in other words, yes, you did use an isolated kanji study method like RTK.
10 a day sounds reasonable then. But even just kunyomi readings for 10 a day would make my head explode. I know kanji can have like 10 onyomi/nanori readings and that shit is nightmarish.

Speaking of kanji is there a list sorted by number of readings?

>>68335716
Trying to memorize readings without context is a waste of time, it's much easier if you know lots of words that use the kanji.
10 a day is very little.

>>68335267
>>fuck you guys, it's our sekrit club over at /jp/, you guy are just fat fucks for wanting to learn a language and not solely using japanese cartoons to do it!

wew lad

>>68335770

So I guess that applies to radicals too, right? When studying radicals only the meaning in English is important?

>>68335834
Memorize whatever you want with regard to radicals, chances are you aren't going to use most of the meanings anyway since they get into complicated and useless ones past a certain number of strokes. I don't really know how readings are relevant to radicals by themselves. It's true that a lot of kanji with the same radical also have the same onyomi but you don't really need to intensely study a radical to get that knowledge, you pick it up fairly easily through kanji.
Radicals are basically a tool to help you understand and learn kanji. Kanji also use variants on a lot of radicals.

>>68336009

Thanks

>>68334045
サンバ・デジャネイロってそういういみだったのか

つまり強盗にあうのなら

なにもみにつけていなければ

なにもとられるものはないと

中国語は最高の言語である

>>68335770
So can I ditch the readings of the individual kanji altogether if I'm studying vocabulary at the same time?

>>68335267
>/jp/ - Otaku Culture
anon...

>>68336282
Well instead of ditching them you'd just be learning them through words.

>>68336344
Yeah, that's what I meant.

>>68336282
You should learn the kanji's rough meaning themselves before you worry about readings, yes. In the same way you learned the "ABC" song as a child without actually knowing how to spell.

After you've done this, you will soak up vocabulary and readings.

If you try to do both at once, you will just slow down your efforts.

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>'let's split the /djt/ community even further by posting on two different boards!'

What the FUCK were you guys thinking while I was gone?

>>68336418
/a/ is a terrible board full of idiots.

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>>68336462
>[insert board here] is a terrible board full of idiots.

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>>68336293
>>68336418
on /int/, other Japanese Thread 日本語スレッド exists
im most famous shit poster in it, so-called Pantsuya , as you know
DJT on /int/ bumps our thread

>>68336418
It's only a couple of shitters, most of the /jp/ thread's posts were telling these guys to fuck off with their autism. They'll get sick and fuck off back to /a/ eventually.

>>68336547
>Pantsuya
That's not how you spell Kamen Rider

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>>68336418
The /jp/ one will be slow as fuck and eventually just become the Anki threads they occasionally have there. This one will just get soaked up by the Japanese thread. It's beautiful, DJT will finally die.

>>68336606
Why are you here?

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>>68336588
lol
i am not him
ぱんちゅ屋
pantuya

>>68336656
To see the ship sink.

パントゥ屋

>>68336606
No, the only criticism was flag shitposting and /int/ retards invading, both of which have subsided for the most part. If those idiots on /jp/ can stop splitting the DJT community, DJT on /int/ is pretty much almost back up to regular speed, and without the limitations of /a/ where the shitters accuse people of blogging as soon as thing weren't cartoon related.

We can actually finaly discuss learning the fucking language instead of throwing shit at each other.

>>68336695
You can go discuss your normalfag shit on the other Japanese thread

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>>68336695
>If those idiots on /jp/ can stop splitting the DJT community
I don't know, man. Some of them seem pretty determined to keep it there. In any case, time will tell. I'm enjoying watching this from the sidelines.

>>68336787
No, language learning is not normalfag shit, and if you're not here for that, then YOU go to the other fucking thread where you can discuss japanese culture, cartoons, etc. DJT is for learning the fucking language you dunce.

パンツァー屋

パンチ?

腹パン

>>68336926
壁ドン

>>68336943
顎クイ

>>68336829
>DJT is for learning the fucking language you dunce.
For the purpose of enjoying said cartoons.

If /jp/ is going to be a thing then I might stay there if this is going to be the shitty blogging thread.

>>68336865
Banter-ya

>>68336991
Don't fucking infer or project the reasons why the people here are learning. The thread may had been on /a/, but DJT has attraction a lot of different people in the past years, and people learning solely to read manga and VN or to watch anime are a minority here.

Your reasons are fine too, but if you lack respect towards language learners for not liking cartoons, then you will garner no respect in return.

>>68337103
It is in fact you who is the minority here and needs to fuck off to the other Japanese thread here on /int/

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>>68337103
>The thread may had been on /a/
Yeah, because it was for anime, manga and other weebshit.
>but DJT has attraction a lot of different people in the past years
Yeah, I noticed.
>and people learning solely to read manga and VN or to watch anime are a minority here.
What
> if you lack respect towards language learners for not liking cartoons, then you will garner no respect in return.
Fuck off to the learning thread that's already there for you faggot

>>68337133
No, the other thread is not for language learning, this one is. The other one would suit your needs a lot more.

I'm not even a blogposter or an avatarfag, I just want these threads to be pertinent for language learners, and not simply ingroup faggots bashing beginners with language questions simply because arrogant weebs get triggered by stupid shit.

>>68337103
>The thread may had been on /a/, but DJT has attraction a lot of different people in the past years, and people learning solely to read manga and VN or to watch anime are a minority here.

Well, I guess I'm off to /jp/

>>68337195
You can ask questions in the other thread and get answers just like here. Only difference is they don't talk about anime and manga there so it's a better fit for you

>>68337186
Well this is the death of DJT then, people telling people learning the language to fuck off to a thread where they solely discuss nip culture and lack the epople or the ressources to be helpful in any way for learning the language. You sekrit club fuckers have shat up DJT from /a/ to here and finally to its grave.

>>68337195

Thanks for being right, I appreciate it, but you might be wasting your efforts talking to a brick wall

>>68337237
>/a/ makes something nice
>it's so nice that it attracts other people
>other people shit it up and try to change it to something that suits them
>shitposted so bad that mods kicked it out of /a/
By the way nothing ever stopped you from using the resources. I honestly have no idea why you insist on being here.
>>68337221
Same. Everyone else of our kind better come too. Dead threads are what I worry about.

>>68337221
I would love nothing more than for Australians and Canadians to all 出て fucking いけ

つまんないなこのスレ
/int/では日本語スレが前からあるし、こんなのはもう必要ないだろ
もう立てんでいい

>>68337287
>flag shitposting
Another prime example of why I'm leaving.

>>68337287
Hey flag shitposting! Well it's certainly good if your kind fucks off to /jp/ if you can't contain your autism about pics posted or flags present.

>>68337186
>Fuck off to the learning thread that's already there for you faggot

this IS the language learning thread.

>>68337322
It's a guy wanting to leave to /jp/ who flag shitposted you moron. Let these guys shitpost on the other thread and let us moderate this version from all these assholes derailing the threads every day.

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I hate to say it...

Is /int/ "our board"?

>>68337350
Careful there, your picture will trigger the sekrit club assholes.

>>68337327
>>68337322
Keep being mad that the Brazilians are better than you at Japanese and make fewer off-topic shitposts.

I'm just here to talk about learning Japanese through Japanese media.

>>68337350
No I'd rather be on /jp/

>>68337350
静かにしてください

あなたたちはできないです

それはそうと私はゲイでなくてなんだろう

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who here just studies to relax after a long day of work?

Nothing like watching a lets play writing random stuff to relax ngl tbqh.


Still insecure about my intermediate grammar sometimes though tbqh.

>>68337420

lets just spread across different boards and create an empire.

>>68337519
Yes, let's sperg out for being moved from /a/ to here, but once thing stabilize let's just spread the community as thin as possible throughout many board. Keep those great ideas coming.

Can 時に also mean particularly, or is my mind fucking with me?

>>68337621
特に

>>68337621
Are you listening to something?
You might be hearing 特に

>>68337578
sending ambassadors to recruit and spread the word, colonize etc.

/int/に来てから漫画とアニメの話題が減って残念だ