>Americans and their electoral system are so st-

>>68240261
>what is population density

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>CÜCKSTRIA
>CÜCKSTERRIECH
>Elect ethnic jewish, religiously athiest son of an immigrant that hates your country wants more refugees and globalist integration and was the former green party leader and socialist party member

>>68240261
So rural folks get ruled by cities full of immigrants and cucks. Nice continent you have there,

>>68240401
We've got the same thing going here.

>>68240435
Trump lost the popular vote by 2.5 million (I think, haven't checked recently) thanks to 12 million Hillary votes from NYC and LA. He is our next President.

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Wow. So the superior Europoors with their great intellect and democratic institutions have nothing to say? That's a first. All they can do is meme against us because deep down they know they're fucked and nothing can save them.

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[CLAPPING INTENSIFIES]

>people from bumfuck vote anti-immigration
>even though the immigrant are in the city's
making me tink

>>68240261
>Rural uneducated cocks voted for right wing candidate
Made me thought for a moment.

>>>/pol/
>>>/trash/

>>68240261
> rural people are angry that the cities are full of foreigners
> people in cities are angry that the environment is getting raped

Ironic, dontcha' think?

>Implying Austria exists outside of Vienna

>>68243419

>not wanting your daughters rogered by Ahmed
>uneducated

wot

>>68240398
>American banter

>>68244981
>the incredibly shrinking country

like 90% of the population live in Vienna which is 90% leftwing/immigrant, riddle solved

>>68244878
Really drives one to contemplate ...

>>68240398
Sounds pretty good desu and no I'm not being sarcastic. Most of those things are objectively good, others are matter of preference or just shitty interpretation on your part.

I applaud Austrians on their sound judgement.

>>68245257
>Sounds pretty good desu and no I'm not being sarcastic.
Of course, it's not that absurd to believe that people exist that are as delusional and autistic as you are

>>68245341
>
Oh the irony

>actual democracy happened
>americans hate this
???

It's a shame, but that's what the people want.
Suits me, really. Every rapefugee they get is a rapefugee we don't have to deal with.

>>68245610

>dictatorship of the majority
>51% of people matter, and 49% don't
>Candidates only have to campaign in the most populist regions and can completely ignore the rural regions

Sure, call it democracy, but it'/ far from just.

>>68245904
>More people want one thing but lets give them another
>This is much better

>>68245610
>hasn't read The Federalist Papers
>thinks he understands American politics

>>68240752
This. Europe is fucking pathetic. Bunch of arrogant fart-sniffers who deserve their fate.

The Electoral College is fine for American politics, but I don't see it for unitary countries like Austria.

>>68245933

>the majority group votes to genocide minorities
>this is right because the majority wants it

>>68240512
He would've won the popular vote if illegals didn't vote

Elections are Jewish memes. Should be banned.

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>>68246129
The main issue with Austria is they let fucking 16 year olds vote

>>68246131
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for dinner."

>>68246211

Honestly, you shouldn't be able to vote if you don't pay taxes.

>>68246236

Therefore an unfair system that oppresses the minority. Republics are the superior systems.

>>68246211
thats fuckig retarded desu
leftists over here want that too but they wont get it kek

>>68246266
It should be only taxpayers and only one vote per household should be allowed.

>>68244878
Ironic how? That cities are the areas destroying the environment the most? I don't follow

>>68240261
>carinthian slovenes voted for green party
but why?

>>68245058
Not even this is true anymore.

But yeah the map shows just the winner of the district. Its no electoral collage so the "looser" votes also count.

>>68243228
Maybe they don't want foreigners in their country period?

>>68246621
FPÖ discriminated against them in the early 00s, wouldn't allow them to put up road signs with both German and Slovene on them. they're never voting for them.

>>68246790
The point is the people living with foreigners are the ones who are cool with them.

>>68246140
>falling for this meme

>>68246961
They don't "live with them", all the brown people live in designated brown people neighbourhoods and white left wing people never interact with them beyond getting a kebab while out clubbing.

>>68246961
or maybe there's so many immigrants who now have children that get to vote who overpower the natives that don't want them there

>>68247024
t. CTR

dumb hicks voted for the nazi, nothing to see here

>>68244878
But cities are more environmentally friendly?

>>68247024
>make it possible for illegals to vote
>complain when people question whether illegals voted and demand evidence for it

>>68243228
>Brown people keep coming in and voting against you
>Gee whiz why don't rural areas like immigrants

>>68246961
you don't actually know that

For all you know, if you completely ignored immigrant vote, Vienna would have voted differently. I know that in my case, living in a city with an extremely high immigrant population, polls have shown that there is a significant difference in voting intentions between non-immigrants and immigrants. So even if the pro-immigrant party wins the riding (because immigrants are so numerous), it doesn't mean it's necessarily representative of what the non-immigrants want.

>>68246211
We let 17 years old vote in the primary if they're 18 by the time of the general election, but that's different.

>yfw that embarrassing tweet from a few years ago when Lena Dunham said she gets scared when she's walking down the street and there's a black guy behind her

>worst bait I've ever seen on /pol/
>53 replies plus mine because I had to express my respect to rightards who've engineered the youth to finally fall for anything over the years

>>68245257
>Most of those things are objectively good,
Why?

>>68247354
Who says it's bait?

>>68247354
t. refugee

>>68245904
>>68245970
At one point I thought america was a democratic nation
Thank you for opening my eyes.

>>68247493
It's a republic, not a direct democracy.

>>68247050
>>68247120
I think you overestimate how many brown people Austria has.
>>68246482
It should be male landowners, with a number if votes proportional to their assets

>>68247588
What do you think austria is?

>>68247037
t. Expert in the demographics of Vienna

>>68247611
>I think you overestimate how many brown people Austria has.
>According to Eurostat, there were 1.27 million foreign-born residents in Austria in 2010, corresponding to 15.2% of the total population. Of these, 764,000 (9.1%) were born outside the EU and 512,000 (6.1%) were born in another EU member state

>>68247664
A bunch of brush-living shitposters

>>68246200
*checks flag*

>>68247664

A EU puppet state

>>68247493
America was always designed in a way that prevents mob rule and the founding fathers thought very lowly of tyranny of the majority. America is not supposed to be a country where it's easy to change things, and that is why they have been so comparatively stable compared to most of Europe over the last 250 years.

>>68247698
I used to live in Vienna and my girlfriend is Austrian, so yes, I at least know what I'm talking about. It's just as segregated as any other major European city with high immigrant populations. A lot of areas of the city that I am seeing returns as high as 70% in favor of VdB are almost completely white.

>>68245257

Van der Bellen is a Russian, does it still sound good to you?

>>68247493
Nope we're a federal republic, but good guess

>>68248117
>Van der Bellen is a Russian
hmmm

>>68247493
I can understand that misunderstanding since we throw around the word "democracy" pretty loosely to mean things like egalitarianism and civic participation.

>>68248395
His parents were Russian nobles who fled to Europe after the commies took power

Here both parties would end up ruling togheter. :^)

>>68248868
And took an obviously Dutch name in Austria?

>>68248941
>The Van der Bellen surname is believed to originate from a Dutch glazier who emigrated from the Netherlands to the Russian Empire around 1763
read his biography

>>68249026
well everything is better than a commie

t. tanned slim austria

>>68248941
>>68249026
also
>The surname was spelled von der Bellen in Imperial Russia, but the family had to change it to Van der Bellen (alternatively spelled Van-Der-Bellen) in the Republic of Estonia, where all privileges of the nobility had been abolished, and the use of the German particle von as an indicator of noble origin in surnames, as was common among Russian nobles, was prohibited by law

>>68249026
On the Dutch wiki it says they came from the Spanish Netherlands, before they went to Russia.

The Spanish Netherlands is Belgium.

>>68249026
Russian-born father of mixed Baltic German, Dutch, and Estonian descent, Alexander Konstantin (1898–1966),[11][12] and an Estonian mother

>>68243419
People in rural Austria are usually well educated.

By the way, one fifth of Austria's population lives in Vienna.

ITT: butthurt Pepes

>>68249157
His father's father was a Jew.

>>68249232
oy vey

>being named bellend

>>68249232
>russian + jewish
literally the worst thing you can be

Heil Hofer

Sieg heil

>>68240435
Trump literally won because rural states get more votes per population than urban states, you doof.

>>68249466
hillary would have still lost if she won every single state worth less than or equal to 5 electoral votes.
right-wing candidates combined got a supermajority of the popular vote

>>68249311
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>>68249429
>>68249481
Reported.

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>>68249524
>>68249466

>>68249567
Heiko please

Note how there are ZERO Cuckstrians in this thread right now.

>>68249675
It's almost 1 am

>>68249675
austria is one of the most underrepresented countries on /int/, probably the most underrepresented european country

>>68249708
Sorry.

>>68243228
Actually, it's the opposite, refugee camps are set at rural areas and rich people who vote for globalist shills in the cities are kept away from them.

>sidestepping
>name calling
>selling on some painted regions in green that reached 51% as if a referendum has anything to do with the number of painted regions
>implying the 49% in those particular regions were disregarded
>similarly, implying the regions painted in blue are decisively dominated by the blues
>basing all of this on annulled election results with very close votes, unlike the land of freedom where a recounting or revoting never had a chance to happen
>implying hofer would do a better job saving us from mudslimes anyway
brilliant

>>68249079
Green Party is basically communists dyed green.

>>68249616
kek

>>68246140
How exactly can a person who does not have citizenship vote? I thought that was a meme.

>>68249949
literally just register to vote and go vote
you don't need to show any ID at any step in half the states

or skip voting and just vote as someone else
https://youtu.be/pZMU2oMJNHU

>>68250026
>or skip voting and just vote as someone else
er, skip registering*

>>68240401
Yeah, they should let dumb fucking ignorant blue collar baby boomer hicks decide who will run the country. Worked really good in USA.

>>68240261
This is just for prez, yeah? I assume they elect houses of government through different means? Educate me.

>>68240261
Austrians have the same cuckgenes as Germans, i hope some Muslim enriches those cucks with some terrorist attack this christmas

>>68250086
reminder that trump won the white college educated vote, and won every income bracket above I think it was $50k iirc, maybe $30k

>>68249867
>Latvia
>Greens are allied with the Farmers
>are center-right

kek

>>68250026
What the fuck, does that mean people can even vote in multiple states by simply taking on a different name?

>>68249849
>getting hyped about presidential elections
>Austria is a parliamentary republic

lol

>>68250087
The President of Austria is elected directly by those eligible to vote in Parliamentary elections.

>>68250087
ofc >>68247354 , >>68249849

>>68250130
hi hofer, I knew you and mudslimes were on the same side

>>68250131
He did win the white college educated vote 49% to 45%, but lost the post-graduate vote by a whopping 30%.

Pretty embarrassing tbqh

>>68250183
yes
here's a video of the new york democratic election commissioner admitting they bus people around to vote at different precincts
https://youtu.be/jUDTcxIqqM0

>>68250328
not really, have you been to an american university lately?

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>>68250328
>win wealthy vote in a landslide
>lose the post-grad """educated""" vote

There's something embarrassing here alright.

>>68246129
>Austria
>unitary country

>american education

It's a worldwide problem. Only just recently, for the first time, do a majority of humans live in cities. That would've been unthinkable just 100 years ago. We thought you can't run a society without a large farming workforce.

>>68240398
>>68249232
>Jewish
Proofs? I can't find anything at all. Where are you all getting this from? (I can only speak English so that's probably why.)

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>>68240261

>>68240261
What is wrong with this?

>>68250086
I'm sorry you have issues with your father, Pietro.

>>68252115
American are too dumb to understand that most of the blue area is mountains with a few villages.

They also have a superiority complex and believe their 200 years old voting system that cucked them twice since the 2000s is superior to modern european voting systems.

>>68250328
where the fuck does this idea that university degrees make your political opinions matter more come from? How does having a degree in marine biology or pharmacology make you more qualified to speak out about immigration or trade policy?

The original reason for the electoral college was because the Founders didn't want large, highly populous states (which at that time meant Pennsylvania, New York, and Virginia) to dominate small, underpopulated states like New Hampshire. They had assumed that sectionalism would occur between big and small states, although of course it ended up being north vs south.

Today however, it prevents New York and Los Angeles from deciding every election. :^)

>>68252297
It objectively is better than most European voting systems, most European systems can't even go 50 years without collapsing or morphing into something else. How the fuck is "it's old so it's shit" an argument when clearly that just means it's more stable? Who exactly here has the superiority complex?

Subtract illegal immigrants, dead people, people voting multiple times, and convicted felons voting and Hillary loses the popular vote by 3 million.

>>68252394
The American political system survived the Civil War and the Great Depression which were probably the two biggest occurrences of domestic turmoil we've had.

>>68252405
It doesn't matter, the popular vote matters as much in the American system as what the candidates ate for breakfast on election morning. Both candidates knew the rules of the game when they started playing and can't complain about them now that it's over.

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UKIP got 4 million votes and only one seat

>>68252394
How much better are European political systems anyway? A whole bunch of those countries have laws against hate speech or forbidding religious proselytizing or banning cartoon porn or certain political parties.

I can fap to Lisa Simpson smut pics and own a copy of Mein Kampf without going to jail. In Germany and a bunch of other countries, that's verboten.

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>>68252489

>>68252528
Another thing is that most of those countries have no term limits on their president/head of government. What kind of bullcrap is it that Angela Merkel is serving yet another term as chancellor? We took care of that problem in the 1940s and Trump now is talking of term limits on Congress as well.

>>68252394
The US is weird because it wasn't really designed as a single proper country, states even used to have their own currencies.

>>68252572
What is wrong with that? If the people don't like someone they won't re elect them. You can't just say something is different ahn the US so it is bad.

>>68252615
Term limits serve a useful purpose because people always instinctually prefer the safe and familiar which is why 80% of incumbents get reelected.

t. it's necessary to bring in fresh blood and prevent elected officials from thinking they're entitled to their seat

>>68252653
I don't think we have had that problem in the UK, usually people get sick of the PM but that might just be a UK cultural thing though. I doesn't seem like a problem for people at the top of government but I could see it becoming a problem with less high profile people being able to slide.

Even before the 22nd Amendment, it was an unwritten rule that presidents never served more than two terms. FDR broke that tradition which is why after he died, they edited the Constitution to prevent future multiterm presidents.

>>68240261
So you're saying that a square meter should have a vote?

>>68252489
I didn't see anybody on here saying the system should be changed after that, can't say the same of the butthurt Clintonites.

>>68252528
I think he's just blathering about the ebul electoral college. The EC is a stroke of fucking genius and don't listen to anybody that says otherwise. It is the only thing that prevents politicians flooding urban centres with immigrants when they can't win over native voters a bulletproof strategy.

>>68252576
The US was basically designed to be as difficult to change as possible. What we on the outside (and lefties in America) perceive as gridlock is actually a completely intentional and complicated series of checks and balances between branches of government and between the federal government and state governments that prevents. The electoral college is just another element of that, it prevents mob rule and forces candidates to do their best to appeal to the broadest range of states and demographics possible instead of just banking on California and New York to throw the election to them every time.

>>68252734
It was an unwritten rule, but several had tried before FDR but just failed. Grant was rejected by his party and Wilson died before the convention.

>>68252380
Every representational democracy has voters split into different electorates. Normally the people that organise it aren't completely retarded, though.

>>68252765
>that prevents.
*that prevents radical change to the country
I need to stop lateposting

>>68246536
He's implying that the people who live in the cities have never seen the "environment" that they want to protect.

>>68252828
US states aren't mere electorates, they're constituent states of a federal republic that need to come to somewhat of a consensus with each other on who their leader should be instead of simply outweighing each other with large population centres. This is how unions are kept together.

>>68252765
>The US was basically designed to be as difficult to change as possible. What we on the outside (and lefties in America) perceive as gridlock is actually a completely intentional and complicated series of checks and balances between branches of government and between the federal government and state governments that prevents. The electoral college is just another element of that, it prevents mob rule and forces candidates to do their best to appeal to the broadest range of states and demographics possible instead of just banking on California and New York to throw the election to them every time.

I know...I remember leftards whining how the Chinese system is better and they wished Obama could just issue edicts like an emperor and not have to be obstructed by those evul Republicans in Congress.

>>68252808
Andrew Jackson wanted to run a third time, but by 1836 he was 70 and in poor health, so that was out of the question.

Ulysses Grant almost gave in to the suggestions of the crooks in his cabinet who wanted their thievery to continue, but Congress passed a resolution reminding him of the two term tradition, so he quietly backed down.

Theodore Roosevelt tried it in 1912 and it backfired because he'd said after the 1904 election that he wouldn't run again, so he came off as a flip-flopper and a wannabe dictator.

Woodrow Wilson still wanted to go for a third term in 1920 despite being partially paralyzed, but that wasn't happening either.

>Letting your rural population vote

wew lads

>>68252898
Yes. The way it's intended to work is that the president is elected by the majority of the states as opposed to the majority of the population.

>>68252898
We're a federation of states too. The lower house of parliament allocates seats based on population, the upper house allocates senators equally to all states. You could argue that the UK is more of a federation between England/Wales/Scotland/NI than anything else.

Whilst it's not ideal to have populous states dictating terms, on the other hand it's definitely counterproductive to have minority states holding the others to ransom. As it stands we currently have a similar issue here with the balance of power in the upper house resting with the NXT party (SA) and senators from QLD and TAS, naturally they use this leverage to get better deals for their states at the expense of others. WA is largely irrelevant on a federal level, and as a result constantly gets shafted by both sides of government.

Although our system has a few issues, it's leagues better than burger elections. I didn't think anyone would have the lack of sense necessary to argue for their """democracy""" besides burgers themselves.

>>68253113
And that, friends, is the attitude that sank the Democrats. :^)

>oh no, you're just all stupid toothless Jesus-hugging hicks you're not as enlightened as Rachel Maddow, Oprah Winfrey, and Beyonce

>>68252982
I find the whining about filibusters in congress and "lack of bipartisanship" far more annoying. American political parties are not meant to "team up" or make things easy for each other, they aren't anywhere.

If they had their way America would alternate between being a Scandinavian social democracy and a conservative theocracy every four to five years because according to them whoever holds the majority at any given time should just be able to pass whatever they want with the opposition just bending the knee.

>>68253163
Little unfair considering Australia has only seven states against our 50.

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>>68253168
>Complains other people don't take them seriously

>Does something completely retarded

THIS IS WHY DRUMPF WON

>>68253187
>If they had their way America would alternate between being a Scandinavian social democracy

I only wish the present day Democrat Party were that. Maybe it was true in 1965. Today they closer resemble Castro's Cuba ideologically.

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>>68253244
>Democratic Party

>Closer to Castro's Cuba

American Education

>>68253163
FPTP is shit, but other that that and EC there's not that much different between our elections.

>>68253187
Also true. A greater possibility of cohabitation among the branches of government is how we obtain our compromise since the two-party system means that a single branch of government is almost always going to have a single party have a majority.

>>68253302
Whatever it is, this past election clearly showed that these guys are if nothing else staunch believers in Leninist vanguardism.

As I said, they sent the message out in this election that you're stupid racist hicks that need Oprah, Beyonce, and Huffington Post to "guide" you.

>>68253163
You're ignoring the fact that America has more than five times the number of states in it and has had an actual all-out war between them over some states not feeling like they were being heard at the federal level due to smaller populations. There are also far more completely rural US states, the US has more rural people and more even population density, etc

The US system has existed continuously for longer than any other in the western world besides maybe Switzerland and arguably us to some extent. It does what is needed to keep such a huge union together and produce leaders that appeal to the broadest range of people possible and as such shouldn't be "fixed" as it's not broken.

>>68253375
To be fair, they are stupid hicks. The choice was between an experienced politicians, like it or not, knew what the fuck she was doing, versus someone with no political experience and who babbled in word salads and basically talked to the crowd as though they were children. Upon retrospect: build wall, trade bad, crooked Hillary, emails bad, more jobs back, all really show how "simple" his audience was.

>>68253383
>shouldn't be "fixed" as it's not broken.
I'd argue it can't be fixed as there's no pathway to electoral reform in the states. Also the reason it's been in place for so long. It's naive to assume something can't be improved.

>>68253383
Yes. Australia has like 90% of their population on the east coast. There's not the widely spread out population centers across the country as there are here.

>>68253447
And with that, CTR once against proves why they went down in flames.

Besides that, exactly what makes Beyonce and Anderson Cooper "smarter" than Jed in Nebraska?

>>68240261
I don't see anything wrong with this.

>>68245904
>51% of people matter, and 49% don't

Meanwhile in the US:
49% of the people matter, 51% don't.

Well done, Burgers.

>>68253447
>knew what the fuck she was doing
Yeah, she knew that she was "doing" the neo-con agenda of Middle East destabilisation and sabre rattling towards Russia that her masters within the military-industrial complex and Wall Street set out for her. What a shitty argument.

>>68253485
Well you certainly can't refute my point cuck. :^)

It amazes me how quick you are to run to shill accusations.

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>>68247664
Mountain Jews

I think States should delegate their electoral votes by Congressional district. The Electoral College is a big meme, and the National Popular Vote is a giant meme.

>>68253447
As might have been said before, fair enough, Trump is a bit of an idiot, but these stupid hicks did decide the election.

>>68253455
I agree that First past the post is shit.

>>68253504
For the last freaking time.

>>68253130

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>actually letting the common man have a say in government policy
Who the fuck thought this was a good idea?

>>68250183
Not really worth it. In-person voter fraud is almost non-existent because the penalties are high for extremely low pay off. Just think about how many votes one person or a group could get, versus what's needed to sway an election.

A smart person would hack the system or spread misinformation to discourage voter turnout for the party they don't want to win.

>>68253485
CTR is out on a fucking rampage the past couple of days

Hillary Clinton has been a known Leninist for decades; she believes that an elite group of Marxist lesbians is needed to guide the sheeple.

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>>68253168
What sunk the Democrats is really voter turn out. Republicans voted in the same amounts as previous years, while Obama got (relatively) record turn out.

>>68253455
How could it be improved? The Democrats have a combined total of 84 votes out of the 270 they need to win just from California and New York, both 100% guaranteed wins for them. If they can't build upon the absolutely massive upper hand they are given by this when people go to the polls it's probably because they're running a shitty, unlikable candidate and their strategy was shit. The Democrats should nominate a better candidate as their nominee next time instead of acting shocked that their strategy of calling everybody they don't like Hitler didn't resonate with Joe Sixpack and his state in nowhereland's combined 3 electoral votes.

>>68253564
Still retarded.
Why should the vote of someone in Comiefornia be worth less than from someone in... North Dakota (or what ever empty state is over represented)?

>>68253656
Ding ding, that's pretty much the biggest reason for Trump's victory.

>>68253662
Elitism versus populism is a battle as old as American politics; it goes back to the Adams vs Jefferson electoral contest in 1800.

>>68253457
It's 69% and that area is still much larger than all of Britain. Significant population centres exist thousands of kilometres away from the east coast capitals (Perth has 2 mil, Adelaide 1.5 mil). Australia is probably one of the only countries in the world that comes close to the US in population distribution.

The true retardation lays in the fact that the composition of the House of Representatives (and thus indirectly the Electoral College) hasn't been expanded since the 1910s, and thus the population aspect of the Electoral College becomes too distorted.

>>68253684
It isn't though. California is worth 55 electoral votes while North Dakota is worth only three. Also California has 53 Congressmen and North Dakota has just one.

>>68253662
>How could it be improved?
Split state votes, make it possible for 3rd parties to get members into parliament. For starters it would improve the situation you just complained about.

>>68253684
Because North Dakota is still a member of a union and should not have no voice in who its leader is. Even with this slight handicap for North Dakota California still has like 20 times more electoral votes than them.

>>68253761
Two states have split electoral votes, Maine and Nebraska.

>>68253844
How did this happen? Why don't other states do it?

>>68253761
>Split state votes
this already exists in Nebraska and Maine, so it could be doable and seems fair enough.
>make it possible for 3rd parties to get members into parliament
Well what are they supposed to do, make people vote Libertarian or Green? It's ultimately the people that decide that. There have been a few independents in the Senate.

Unless you're under the impression that there are no third party candidates on the ballot, which isn't true.

>>68240261
is that island part of austria? is it in the north sea? (i don't remember where austria is exactly).

>>68253656
What a shitty ass turnout

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>>68253910
if you're trying to be put in an American bear meme, be a little less obvious next time

>>68253882
>Why don't other states do it?
Same reason why guns are easier to get in some states than others.

>>68240261
>people under 16 years old are allowed to vote in Austria
wtf

In early times, a bunch of states had split electoral votes however today only ME (since 1968) and NE (since 1991) have it.

>>68240261
lots of memes today
but tomorrow when the blue sector gets their independence... actually even more memes

>>68254007
What states eliminated it? I see no reason to do that besides pressure from the national parties.

>>68253814
>still a member of a union

Who gives a fuck?
They are one nation now and vote for their president. There is no reason the vote of anyone should be rated higher than then one of someone else.

This time it was great, tho.

>>68253938
OK I'll try. So is that Vienna and vicinity? Are there multiple electoral districts there?

>>68254072
The US doesn't cease to be a federal republic just because you don't care about it. It's the United States, not the United Provinces.

>>68247664
Now? EU State 5.

>>68253882
If your party has a strong hold on the state, would you willingly split the vote for the other party?

>>68249466
>Trump literally won because rural states get more votes per population than urban states
It's like you have never heard of New England

The split electoral vote method is known formally as the "Congressional District Method", where electoral votes are distributed according to the state’s congressional districts instead of the state as a whole.

Massachusetts was the first state to have a split electoral vote and they had it until the 1820s (MA split their votes three times--in 1804, 1812, and 1820). At that time, Maine, which had been a part of MA, broke off to become a separate state, but decided to keep their parent state's split electoral votes. However, Maine dropped split votes after 1828 and went to the normal "winner takes all" electoral vote.

No states had split electoral votes again until 1968 when the three-way contest between Nixon, Humphrey, and Wallace caused the voters in Maine to fear that a candidate with only 33% of the the vote could win the state, which was unfair to the majority of its population. Thus they dug into their history books and revived the ancient split vote system from 140 years earlier. However, Maine did not actually split an electoral vote until 2016, when Trump took one of the state's electoral votes.

Nebraska decided to follow suit in 1991, and since then have split the vote once (in 2008, when Obama claimed one of that state's electoral votes).

>>68254267
It shouldn't be up for the party to decide.

>>68253761
Agreed, those would be good.

>>68253882
One of our bigger follies is to have State Legislatures redistrict themselves and their Congressional districts.

>>68253898
>Well what are they supposed to do, make people vote Libertarian or Green? It's ultimately the people that decide that. There have been a few independents in the Senate.
I guess getting rid of FPTP would be a good idea, though it might take a few years for a third party to reach any traction given how ingrained the two-party system is in American culture.

>>68240261
>being a part of the KuK

>>68254615
My guess is that the state governments decide to get rid of it to help their national counterparts. It's obviously political fuckery but short of a constitutional amendment split electoral votes can't be implemented at a national level.

>>68254673
I could see the Libertarians eventually filling the same role as the Liberal Democrats do here eventually. They actually have a clear ideology and agenda that is different from the two major parties and isn't just a more extreme version of an ideology that is already represented in them like the Greens or Constitution Party are.

>>68254774
Agreed

>>68254615
People in Democrat dominated and Republican dominated states won't go for it either.

>>68247100
>?
Make a statement, be sure of yourself?