Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1763

>>68175190
愛されない人なら
しかたがない

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何を読んでいるの?

「ジョンとジャックの友達は」

What is the topic?

"The friend of both John and Jack" (one person)
or
"Jack's friend and John" (two different people)
or is it like saying
"John and Jack's friend" which could mean either of the previous two

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>>68175949

>>68175949
>"The friend of both John and Jack" (one person)
This one I'm pretty sure. Everything before that is describing that friend.

>>68175970
Thanks.
This actually explains it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oI0KUwILtKQ

Okay what the fuck.
Towards the end of this, why does she count to 3 using 'Hitotsu, futatsu, mittsu'? She's not going anything in particular, so why not just use ichi, ni, san?

Why is 医者へなる。incorrect?

Wouldn't it mean he is heading towards being a doctor or "doctorship"?

>>68176156
へ is only used for physical destinations.

>>68176132
it sounds cooler

>>68176132
She's counting seconds and seconds are things.
Therefore you can count them with つ

>>68176175
But what about 勝ちへ向かう。

victory considered a physical destination but a phd isnt?

I'm starting to think that Subahibi is too hard as my first visual novel. Should I go ahead and keep reading it or should I move to something else?

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>>68176132
ゆっこは

ばかだなあ

>>68176218
That is a poetic usage, more like an exception to the rule. The verb 向かう should also be taken into account.

>>68175970
How do I follow the lines properly?

>>68176645
The ones connected like this ^ are describing each other.

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Who /going to JLPT with a cold/?

Can I even bring tissues with me?

>>68176747
>going to JLPT
Stopped reading there

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>>68176747
Ask the proctor when you get there. If not, have some tissues and a mask ready. Shove the tissues up your nose and wear the mask to conceal it.

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>22 posts in 2 hours

全ては終わりです・・・

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What's the deal with this kanji 國? Why use it when you have 国?

When are we going to /jp/?
I can't take /djt/ on /int/ serious.

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みんなの日本語能力試験で不合格が出てほしい
俺の嫁への最高のプレゼントをさしあげよう

>>68176980
10円硬貨には日本国って彫ってあるけど

10圓硬貨には日本國って彫ってある

5圓硬貨にも日本國って彫ってある

>>68176980
國は古い書き方

>>68176980
you'll love 體

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>>68176962
We slow and comfy now
ゆっくりしていってね

>>68176980
舊字體(きゅうじたい/旧字体)

>>68176980
That is because old Kanji characters give us a traditional impression, and some people find those characters cooler.

おにいちゃんおなかすいた

やきいもか、やきざかなのどっちかかな

やきにく…は、さきだつものがたりない

>>68176994
slow and comfy thread is alright

maybe /djt/ will move back once /a/'s "make /a/ great" again fails horribly

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more like slow and deadw

>>68178631
have a nice dream

こうなったら久しぶりにゆめ2っきでもやろっか

>>68179201
どうなったのかはきかないけど

ぎゅうにゅうのんで

よくねれば

なおるよ!

wow a bunch of the alt right japs aka netouyos here

UGLY IGNORANT JAPANESE ALT-RIGHTS ITT

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こんばんは

>>68179575
>netouyos
小池知人 go home

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>>68175970
How English speakers deal with such complex
construction in English?

>>68180029
Context, just like Japanese だろう

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>>68180029

>this kinda chart
is this common? ok thanks. I gave up

>>68180096
同情しました

Welp fuck it I'm out.
/djt/ on blue /pol/ fucking sucks,

Well at least I'm not going to be distracted by /djt/ anymore and can focus on learning.

>>68180096
It is (or used to be) taught in middle school in America, but most people don't use it at all after that.

>>68180029
The red-headed cat ate the fish.
The cate ate the red-headed fish.
The cat with a head that ate a red fish.
The head is a cat that ate a red fish.
The head is a red cat that ate a fish.

Some of the sentences sound a little weird because of the lack of context and the weirdness of the situations they describe, but they illustrate the difference that word order can make in English.

>>68180061
what's the actual sentence here

>>68180061
Her decision was to go to the police and report everyone had been looking for the terrorist that was her friend.
What a sentence. It's easier just to feel it out based on context than to apply grammar terms to that shit.

>>68180162
None of those phrases form full sentences but rather describe the cat.

The cat with a red head that ate the fish
The cat that ate the fish with the red head
The cat with a head that ate a red fish
The (man with a) cat head that ate a red fish
The (man with a) red cat head that ate a fish

>>68180209
Isn't it
>Her decision was to go to the police and report that her friend was the terrorist that everyone had been looking for

>>68180246
Yes, you are correct. わるい

>>68180246
>>68180197
>>68180209
Her decision was to go to the police and report that her friend was the terrorist everyone had been looking for.

>>68180162
given those arranged things, English looks smart. but I lose direction when subject or object in a sentence consist of long phrases/many words.

>>68180355
The cat the caught the mouse that ate some bread that I had baked yesterday came into my room and threw up a hair ball on my bed that was given to me by my wife's daughter who had married a black man.

How is that?

>>68180397
garbage

>>68180355
Happens to me in japanese, apparently its zooming in but english is zooming out. Easier said than done.

文例はやっぱり文学的な本から出さないとな
>He did not use
the phone to call the woman who'd promised to come because if he tied up the line and if it happened to be the time when maybe she was trying to call him he was afraid she would hear the busy signal and think him disin-terested and get angry and maybe take what she'd promised him somewhere else.
いいな

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>>68180397
ah "that/which S + V +O/C + α" looks easy. "that/which + S + V/C + α" sometimes makes me confused because I wonder what the relative pronoun is referring to.

>>68180437
You're back?

>>68180656
>*"that/which + V +O/C + α" looks easy
oh shit

>>68180397
>The cat the caught
Lost me after four words.

>>68180702
Pbviously I meant to type
>the cat that caught

It's 4:52am here and I haven't even started my reps yet == fuck.

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>>68180657
Not really, I just drop by every so often to check how the thread is doing.

I'm a bit disappointed that the section about the guide being free to distribution and copying/modification was removed. I specifically told her to keep that part when I handed it off.

>>68180656
come on コダック you can do it 頑張ろう

>>68180736
>I'm a bit disappointed that the section about the guide being free to distribution and copying/modification was removed
Anyone can download the page/document and alter/distribute it.

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>>68180775
Yeah I know, it's more a matter of encouraging people do to just that.

>>68180656
>that/which
気の向くままに交換できるというのは、大きな嘘だぞ

>>68180803
People don't need encouragement to take shit without soft permission or "encouragement", online. They do it anyway. Internet 101.
Stop with fucking photos already, you goddamn attention whore.

>>68180656
The relative pronoun is always referring to the thing that comes right before it, 先行詞.

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Is this true?

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日本語を勉強するのは面白いです

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日本語を勉強するのは面映いです

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>open vn
>see this
>close vn

Good luck on the JLPT sempai

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>>68181130
八時十分を知らします

>>68180862
>Stop with fucking photos already, you goddamn attention whore.
I'm not sure how new you are but he's been posting those for like two years now, he's not gonna stop just cause you sperg at him.

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Good luck to everyone taking the JLPT tomorrow!
がんばってください!

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>>68175970
>>68180029
You gotta understand English is also heavily dependent on context and has many overlaps from a word covering multiple grammatical classes. That's why the sentence

"Police police police police police police police police." is possible.

Or those Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo ones, or James hadhadhadhadhadhadhahd blablablabla.
Here are a few: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_linguistic_example_sentences

The solution for that? Either verb conjugations that make clear the subject or noun cases. Both lacking in Japanese and English.
It doesn't clear up all ambiguity, but does a decent job.

>>68181193
Not even a hard passage, www
Two uncommon words and no bullshit.

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>>68181333
Thank you

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>open porno
>see this
>close porno

ほむほむってガチレズ?

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>open vn
>see this
>close vn

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>open this
>keep struggling

>>68181425
ガチレイピスト

>>68176962
it sort of proves a point of the mods though, all these niggas never really learned japanese and just shitposted

あす、ですね。

>>68175145
>being able to read many sentences without needing a vocabulary.
>can grasp what they are saying even if I don't know the word
>grammar structure doesn't give me a headcache anymore

Am I reaching low intermediate finally?

>>68181572
Seems like lower mid intermediate to me desu

>>68182045
Im a year in and still slow as shit, when does it get better

>>68182142
should have gotten better by now

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>>68182142
By year 2-3 you'll be able to read without a dictionary if you don't give up.

>>68182215
thats worth looking forward to

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Question:
How did you guys start learning Japanese?
The subject of this question is "You" by the way, not "Japanese". Because obviously there are a lot of people that learned without access to the guide materials, and I was wondering how successful the methods are that predate the OP.

[spoiler]Also I'm a dumbass supplicant that did Kanjidamage and tae kim, started reading Yotsuba&, got snowed in under all the anki reps/vocab mining, then gave up- but wants to try again now I've hopefully forgotten everything Kanjidamage taught me wrong.

>>68181651
>no fun allowed
I mean come on, check out /a/s catalog, the whole board is low quality shitposting general anyway.

>>68182471
Looked up hiragana and katakana worksheets online, found some basic grammar explanations, then I took courses in college.

>>68182471
first I did Remembering the Kanji for six months. It didn't helped me remembering the kanji, but it helped me remembering the radicals, wich is much more valuable. Then, I learned kana in three weeks; I read the tae-kim guide/did the anki 2k deck and after that I started reading.

>>68182471
Let me tell you, the same methods will always lead to success, and those methods are reading/listening to native Japanese, doing flashcards, and reading grammar guides. Everything else is a minor detail (like writing out kanji, reading graded readers instead of normal books, etc).

The only thing you did wrong, really, was give up.

What Japanese font does DJT prefer?

>>68183024
メイリオ
(というのは建前で本当は游ゴシックを使ってる)

>>68182471
Hilariously enough, I stumbled upon some old Soviet textbook while working my way through the ancient library at my step-mother's summer home in a shitty village full of gypsies. That happened all the way back in middle school.

I was bored since there was no internet in that place at the time so I taught myself kana and some very basic grammar using said book, leaving it to oblivion after I left the place and returned to the city in order to get back to school after summer break was over.

I didn't pick up Japanese again until later but the whole experience pretty much led to my weeb phase, which served as the main incentive for me giving the language a more serious look at a later stage in my life.

>>68180736
I didn't remove it, it's still in the Google Doc linked at the top. The anon who converted the guide to HTML just didn't include that part.

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>>68183218
Oh, my mistake in that case.

Thanks for letting me know, and keep up the good work.

>>68183162
それ日本語フォントじゃねえから。メイリオ・ゴシック・明朝のどれかを選ぶのが無難

>>68183366
だから『游』ゴシックだ
それがフォントじゃなければ何がフォントだよ?

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The most difficult question of my life: Should I take a job in Tokyo and move there (probably forever) or stay in Germany? I really miss Japan as I used to work there for one year. Food, polite people, the nature, etc.
The only things that makes it difficult for me are: earthquakes, long working hours, no holiday and I would miss my parents and they would miss me

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>>68183533
>no holiday

>>68183516
使ってもいいけど、すでにメイドインジャパンのフォントがあるのに

メイドインチャイナの日本語フォントを使う理由はなに?

>>68182939
Fair point.
There seems to be a commonality in >>68182656, >>68182850, and >>68183180's responses that reflects your assessment. I tried to study at least an hour every day, but towards the end all the reps started killing me- so I guess I never tried hard enough when it began to matter most.

Thanks guys.
後にはがんばります

>>68183624
>メイドインチャイナの日本語フォント
へ~。そんなものがあるんだ。初耳

>>68183643
It's okay even for reps to get to be too much, it's just that when that happens, it's best to briefly go at a slower pace (like limiting reviews) than to give up entirely. Being overwhelmed is bad, taking it too slowly is bad, but it's giving up that kills.

>>68181349
Possible, but you are absolutely never going to hear a sentence like that.

>>68183533
If the job is something you enjoy, go for it - even if you tsukareta like hell, you will be a productive human being.
If you work is doing monkey shit and being yelled yet, you might as well stay with your parents.

>earthquakes
Yeah, I would like to wait for the Big One to pass before moving to Tokyo, but on the other hand I believe the statistics of being killed just going out in the streets here in Brazil are higher than my chance of dying on that earthquake. And I take my chances here EVERY day, not just during the earthquake.

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>>68183533
>The most difficult question of my life: Should I take a job in Tokyo and move there (probably forever) or stay in Germany? I really miss Japan as I used to work there for one year. Food, polite people, the nature, etc.

Take this from someone that understands the extreme gravity of your decision.

Are you trying to find an excuse to not realize your dream? My parents had to die before I realized I was just making excuses.

Remember there are only a few people in this world that can make their dreams come true, you can be one of them.

Go for it, anon

>>68184048
You're projecting there, he said he misses Japan not that it's his dream to work/live there.

I hear tomorrow is the day of examination of Japanese language.
Do you guys sit for the examination?

>>68184080
True, but sometimes you have to read between the lines on these matters.

I live by the "You can't hold on, or Life won't Change" philosophy.

>>68184250
The problem with human communication is that the "reading behind the lines" you speak of breeds errors and miscommunication out the ass. Thinking carefully about what the other says and being sure to avoid assuming things without clarifying is important to remain on the same page. To me, it seems like he just liked Japan and would really enjoy going back, not as a dream but just as something he'd like to do.

>>68182471
My jap friend got me into learning Japanese. She taught me everything I need about the language and gave me a grammar guide book.

>>68182471
Watched 10000 hours of anime and realised I understood it without subs so I spent a week learning the kanas and went from there. Never read any grammar guides

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>>68184336
>The problem with human communication is that the "reading behind the lines" you speak of breeds errors and miscommunication out the ass

That's true. However, you cannot have a payoff without some degree of risk.

When it comes to a life-changing decision like leaving your family behind for permenant indepdence, there is indeed a degree of risk, and I took a chance that perhaps his reasoning for going to Japan might be something a bit more rooted.

If it wasn't a serious decision i wouldn't have even attempted making such a claim.

>>68183869
>Being overwhelmed is bad, taking it too slowly is bad, but it's giving up that kills.
In my case I had 3 decks on the go:
Core6K, Kanjidamage, and a vocab mining deck I was assembling while reading Yotsuba.

In the end I just kept forgetting things. And my number of daily reps became absurd as a result.
We're talking 250+ fresh reviews a day.
That might not be much for some, but with all that and 20 new cards (10 per deck, with front/reverse), it took ~40 minutes- towards the end of which I'd be too exhausted to learn the hardest bits.
Anyway I'll quit whinging now.

>>68182471
Fucked with realkana for awhile, wrote done the kana plenty of times.
Moved on to Tae Kim, did Core for awhile.
The jump into Core didn't go very well, so I picked up KanjiDamage for awhile. Went back to Core and it was a lot easier.

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It seems that 游フォント is standard in recently office application tho.
This is a domestic font, isn't it?
Japanese kanji was already changed for the reason of Chinese kanji code made by utf-8.
謎 was 一点しんにょう until 2010.

>>68182471
I didn't.

I live in a town that does not teach Japanese.

My high schools don't teach japanese. My community colleeges don't teach japanese. There is a social stigma here against people that like Japan because nobody is taught about it. There is a grand total of -one- japanese class at the college here, and it's an online-only history class nobody takes

The social stigma was shared by my parents, who didn't support me one bit, so in all respects I was taught by society and family that japan is bad country and i should not learn language.

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So is Anki designed for mixing new cards while doing reviews or learning new cards before/after reviews?

>>68184931
fuck the haters, do anki and memrise at the same time, even if you're still doing tae kim's guide.

when you start getting comfortable in japanese, make a lang8 account and make japanese friends. you'll be able to do skype calls with nips and help them with their english

>>68184931
Mixed. It gives you time before a new card shows up and makes you able to tell new words apart from old words.
If you know whether or not a card is old before even doing it, it's not really making you use your memory.

「必」の書き方はなかなか難しい

>>68184805
下で醜い

>>68185431
そうかい?
あんまり難しくなそうな

>>68184931
It's designed for
mixed > before > after
After is the worst case scenario and you can only get away with it if you have VERY few relapses. Some people are compatible with "after" and it works well for them, but it's dangerous. That's the only thing you need to know.

Is "Kisetsu Vol. 1 haruchiban the way to successful japanese" a good book to learn nipspeak from if I already know 90% of katakana and hiregana?
90% means I can read most of the respective texts if I guess usually 1 symbol

>>68185709
>90% of kana

Fix that last 10% first.

>>68184931
Idk but I always used to do mixed but changed to doing them after and it has worked out better for me

>>68185550
*なさそう
ググったら日本人(しょうがくせい)にも画のバランスや書き順は簡単ではないらしい)

>>68185745
honestly it's mostly cause I've never actually read Japanese text
this book has nice phrases I'm reading through right now that are making me master them
only complaint I have is that it has no English translation for the phrases so I have to google them sometimes

>>68185796
>*なさそう
あっ、そうだよね
どうも

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>>68185796
俺もアンバランスだなと思う
何度書いても納得いかない

>http://web. ydu. edu. tw/ ~uchiyama/ 1h93fy/ jita. html
fuck spam

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>>68186172
左下が一番いいと思う
書き順は知ってるの?

>>68183624
游ゴシック体は写研から独立した日本人三人が作った会社のフォントだけど(ヒラギノとか作ってるとこ)
それがメイドインチャイナってどこからの情報?

>>68186259
当たり前だ
知っとるわ
バカにしとんのかw

>>68185490
Though that is most standard style.

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That's a chink character in 正直 right?

>>68181483
>>68181572
to be honest, I really hate novels/VN/LN, where written Japanese consists of fucking lame monologue . I really don't understand those who like to read them. English is really vanilla but I take it as I like, I imagine.

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>>68187307
Wrong screen.

>>68186172
時計回りに90度でバランスやってみたいないか?馬鹿野郎。

>>68187387
何故か撮った写真を上げると横になる(´･ω･`)

I got one for you guys.


>"You're a big guy."
>”冬”

>>68187662
This is one of the reasons why DJT should be sent back to /a/. You're an embarrassment to our flag.

>>68187307
>>68187379
Have you seen 直 show up normally elsewhere in the text?

>>68187662
九用世不。

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>>68187662
フィリピンの旗に恥を掻くなっ!

>>68187307
>>68187379
Yes, that's a chink font. 元, 実, 言, and 度 also look like they typically do in chink fonts.

>>68187355
I don't know what you mean. What's wrong with monologues and whatnot? They develop the characters and the writers ideas. Do you just want a constant string of plot? Also, plenty of English books are just the same, so I don't know why you would distinguish between it and Japanese.

>>68187307
>>68187379
>>68188255
What is the difference? Looks normal (or at least correct) to me.

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>>68188514
>>68188158
Is how I'm used to it looking.

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>>68188730
OH SHIT OH SHIT OH SHIT!
Changed every single font in my browser to Arial Unicode MS, fuck this shit.

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>明日は日本語能力試験

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>>68189297
頑張って!

>>>/a/150492017
just right place for you to enjoy chinese cartoon

Anyone else see what's going on with /a/? I hope we don't get blamed.

r8 this man's song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdCWgBpfePo

>>68190000
What's going on, anon?

>>68190281
someone made DCT and janny rekt it so fast

>>68190281
It's getting raided, and also someone made a daily chinese thread that linked a pastebin full of epic facebook frog ASCII text art

>>68187662
わろたwww

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過疎りすぎて草生える

At the previous day of exam, you should only think you get in shape.

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can someone bring that kanji here, thanks

>>68194711
that's chinese

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>>68193849
ワイは起きたけど、携帯の電池がない
>>68194711
それは、中国語

>>68194711
豪尻的龍膽
龍膽美咲
I don't even.

I dream that someday my number of young cards will drop below 1000

漢字なんか怖くない
ANKIロボットになった俺には問題ない

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Advanced Japanese Test: Can you tell why this is funny?
Don't spoil it Japanese friends thank you

I don't want to read. I'm on a really boring scene.

>>68197462
Is 始未 some kind of pun?

>>68197742
Nope.

>>68197462
地震に人を片付けるように命令する意味があるから
と、俺が思う

>>68197462
「人の始末」は「人の終焉」とも取れるからでしょうか
「人の始末を見守ること」ではなくて

>>68197839
>>68197871
Sorry, but neither of you pointed out the "basis" of the joke. Which leaves it ambiguous as to whether or not you actually get it. I'll put the answer in spoilers here if you want to check your work:
[spoiler]It's supposed to be 火を始末 but the dots on 火 got worn off to 人[/spoiler]

>>68197871
>>68197462
>末 and 未 are two different kanji
さすが日本

>>68197951
>no spoilers on /int/
I forgot!
Shiiit, well I hope everyone enjoyed the riddle during its brief period of obscurity!

>>68197951
>I'll put the answer in spoilers
How can you live without an extension for this site

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what is all that stuff?

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>>68197951
*蝉の音*つまんな

>>68198016
What do you mean?
>>68198049
Hey man, I called it a Japanese Test not a Raucous Example of Japanese Humour.

>>68197954
未は、上の枝が短くて、若い木に見える。まだ成長していない、新しい木だ
末は、上の枝が長くて、古い木に見える。命の果てだ

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>>68198080
>What do you mean?
[spoiler]https://github.com/ccd0/4chan-x[/spoiler]

>>68197871
人の始末 implies killing someone already

>>68198241
Oh. Well, aside from this, I can't think of any thing I'd want an extension for, so no biggie.

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>>68198046
それは中国語
>>68198049
閑けせや
岩に染み込む
蝉の声

要するに、「火」の横の点々が脱落したの
>>68197871
>>68198279
ヤクザの使う隠語で殺すことを「始末」と云う
奴を始末しろ=奴を殺せ

I can't learn kanji so good my dudes. My vocab's my strong point, I'm getting the hang of grammar but kanji is just fucked up.

未 末 朱 I've got a one in three shot of guessing what these kanji are. i want kanji to pls go.

>>68199078
>My vocab's my strong point
>but kanji is just fucked up
So vocab is your weak point.

>>68199078
>i want kanji to pls go.

Guess what I mean by "あめがすき”

>>68199118
Is spoken word not vocab? I can understand and speak a decent amount of sentences... just obviously not read them because kanji.

>>68199078
be a little resourceful
sit down for five minutes and consider the differences
>未
not yet
look at the top it's smaller
it's like a *not yet* fully grown version of 末
>末
end
it has finished growing
>朱
who cares about this one it sucks
also it's got a big thing on it you should have no trouble with it
throw 朱 in the trash

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>>68181333
>using the webm instead of the superior jpg/png version
やめて

>>68199200
飴ガス機?

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>>68199220
朱;red
朱に交われば赤くなる
日本語は色に関する単語は多いが訳出は難しい
Picは紅月を浴び朱に染まるSu-metal

>>68199879
なぜ紅にそまらない

How do you stop automatically translating the words you see into English?

I try to internalize the vocab I'm learning but every time I see the word in Japanese the English just pops up in my head.

>俺の、 噛んで含めるような静かで重い言葉たちが、いきなりの理不尽で暴力的な大声によってかき消される。
>俺の、 噛んで含めるような静かで
I'm struggling with this part of the sentence, I understand what it is trying to say, but I do not understand what the の is there for and how it functions. Is it acting as a possesive for both
噛んで and 含めるような静かで?

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>>68199972
紅はcrimson red
朱に染まるは血に濡れたことの
雅語的表現

>>68200191
it's acting as a possessive for the 言葉

>>68199201
Maybe you know 1-2k words but if you don't know kanji you probably aren't anywhere close to the ~10k you need to be fluent much less the 20k you need to be near native level.

It's somewhat nitpicky though. But if you already know the word you have a big advantage compared to everyone else who didn't already know the words so you really shouldn't be complaining. As >>68199220 said you just gotta spend a couple minutes with each pair that you mix up and actually look at what is different. I'd recommend reading through the first couple hundred kanji entries from RTK to get used to breaking kanji down. You don't need to do the whole book, just get a feel for how the method works so you can apply it when necessary.

>>68200191
噛んで含めるような as if to bite and hold in mouth
静かで重い quite and heavy

俺の、 噛んで含めるような静かで重い言葉たちが My words, which were quiet and heavy, spoken as if to bite and hold in mouth (not rushing and immediately swallowing)

>>68200065
By focusing on how it sounds in Japanese.

>>68200065
More reading and less anki I guess.

>>68200065
>I try to internalize the vocab I'm learning but every time I see the word in Japanese the English just pops up in my head.

Not translating is necessary to understand stuff at a reasonable pace. If you're focusing on phrases and sentences, especially with audio, you can't understand them without at least temporarily internalizing the word. Also this >>68200393, I focus on reading more than meaning in anki. It basically just comes down to reading and listening more.

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>>68199972
シャナだと紅だが
この場合は炎のイメージ
>>68200191
噛んで含めるような
It is a mere metaphor.
with relaxed and low voice
so slowly

>>68200392
>噛んで含めるような as if to bite and hold in mouth
この「含める」は口に溜まるんじゃなくて、人に教えるって意味じゃない?

>噛んで含めるような言葉たち
words spoken so as to be easily digestible by the listener

>>68200568
>I focus on reading more than meaning in anki.

So if you don't know the meaning 100% you just mark it correct?

>>68200893
Ah I see, it's about chewing it and then feeding to the other person, thus making it easily understandable. Huh.

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>>68200392
>>68200893
主に人を諭す時に使う表現
正確には、
親鳥が餌をやるように
ということ
ただ、引用文にその意味はない
どうせ、ラノベの一節やね
>>68200953
Above

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>>68199200
A MEGA suki? I ALSO MEGA SUKI YOU, ANON!

>>68200953
As long as the meaning is somewhat close, yes. But it's a bit complicated because it depends on the phase of learning. If you're rushing through Core6k I think it's fine to just learn the approximate meaning and figure out the details through native material. But with mining often I mine the word with learning the meaning as my goal.

Also, I tend to get more strict about the meaning with time. If the card has a 4 month interval and I still don't know the meaning very well I am more likely to mark it wrong, but if it's a new card I don't worry about it as much.

Also, this is because I do a lot of anki and am willing to sacrifice some things in order to cover more words. If you're under 100 reps a day then fuck it just learn the meanings properly.

>>68201215
LNs are the highest form of literature.

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>>68201415
どんなラノベが好き?

>>68200065
I've read that translating is bad so you should make flashcards with Japanese on one side and a picture on the other side instead of English, but that is a really retarded idea. You cannot skip the translation phase. Eventually with enough exposure it will naturally go away.

The 1st time you see kawaii, you translate it as cute. The 10th time you see it, you still might translate it as cute. But by the 100th time, you just understand it.

>>68201415
>If you're rushing through Core6k I think it's fine to just learn the approximate meaning
I second this.

I more often than not get myself thinking about the meaning of a word but the English equivalent (or even Portuguese) take a while to come to mind.

But I guess since Japanese is my fourth language, that comes from already being used to attaching new words to abstract ideas, not translations.
If you're EOP, that might take a bit of practice - my English days were a bit of literal translation until I got the hang of it.

If you keep it in mind from an earlier stage, though, you can build better habits - ESPECIALLY because pictographs will give you some sort of abstract, even intuitive meaning to rely on that a language with common alphabet couldn't provide as easily.

>>68201415
>>68200953
>>68201685

I don't think it's actually possible to learn the meaning of some words through a jisho definition. It's just an approximate meaning of the word in english, with no details about how to use it. Accordingly there is no reason to memorize the english definition of a word.

I only do a mining deck, but when I see a word I never worry about whether or not I know the exact vocabulary jisho is going to use. I just think about whether I honestly know the word or not, press the according button ("again" if I get the reading wrong) and reread the daijirin definition if it's something I don't have a full grasp on.

"Just learn the meanings properly" is something you can't do through anki imo.

>raw manga thread died while I was reading raw manga
The thread has a slight problem

>>68200953
In some cases, it will be perfectly obvious to you that you got the meaning of the word wrong, and in those cases you should mark it as such. But you need to be aware of the fact that in many cases, you can't fully understand the meaning of the word just by SRSing it against some English close equivalent. Instead, you need to experience it in a variety of situations and figure out how it is used by natives to facilitate certain communicative intents. This boils down to exposure to a lot of native reading/listening materials and more-or-less informed guesswork on your part.

>>68185431
>>68185550
>>68185796
おはようおにいちゃん

しょどうはおさめがたいよ

>>68199078
If any two characters are similar you will tell them apart by context 95% of the time anyway.

>tfw I stopped studying Japanese to study Economics and work on my career.
>will maybe study Japanese once I get my life together.

>>68202425
ok

>>68202394
for that you have to tell them apart outside of context first

A year in and katakana words give me more trouble than kanji. It wasn't supposed to be like this.

>>68202033
yeah people were using sage despite talking about manga

>>68202425
Not going back to the army again?

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>yfw you realize Japan might close its borders if Donald Trump fucks up the U.S./Japan alliance

don't fuck this up trump please

>>68203404
Japan would die if it closed its borders.

>JLPT IS TOMMOROW

T O M M O R O W


WHY ARE YOU NIGGERS STILL IN THIS THREAD

CRAM STUDY

RIGHT THE FUCK NOW

Which N are you registered for?

いまこそ

ひごろのがんばりをみせるときだよ

がんばって、そしてかならずかえってきて。おにいちゃん

>>68203515
>Which N are you registered for?
6

>>68203515
why would you register for anything that isn't N1
also tomorrow is spelled tomorrow

>>68203515
Just watch some anime and ゆっくりしていってね

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>>68203509
yeah but they might make it "harder" for americans to enter the country.

it's already really hard to enter, but japan's been slowly easing restrictions on americans. if Trump royally fucks it all up, we're going to see no hesitation in them increasing the restrictions.

now would be the time to get your work visa if you want my honest opinion. you have no idea how this shit is going to go under trump

but i'm still 3 years away from my bachelor's so i just have to hope trump isn't retarded

>>68203515
Why would I need to study?

N1 of course

>>68203391
No just working 12 hours a day and doing job trainig on computer stuff tbqh...im two yeras into Japanese and i have progress but it should just be a relaxing hobby really. It doesnt add value to you in the marketplace which is all that matters at the end of the day.

>>68203703
being fluent in a foreign language does add value to you, though

>>68203572
>why would you register for anything that isn't N1

not him but my plan is to register for N4 next July, then do N2 in December, then do N1 in 2018

seems like the safest path

>>68203794
why would you register for anything that isn't N1

>>68203794
>N4 next July
Do you plan to only study for a week before then?

>>68202808
That happens. I struggle with lyric booklets that have no kanji, too.

Here, even the Japan-immersed Canadian Inbred Demon goes through it, skip to 3:18: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RURhXc2DWW4

>>68203951
i just started tae kim's guide last week. you think i can get myself N1 ready in just seven months while doing college and a job at the same time?

is such a thing even possible?

>>68203735
4 years to learn a language or 4 years to get a degree and learn a useful skill with technology.

Japanese adds value to you but it isn't the best use of time imo.

>>68204030
You don't have to take the JLPT just because it's offered

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>>68204030

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>>68204030
My negro, taking anything but N1 is completely useless. 以上。

>>68204030
You can become fluent in Japanese in just Six Months

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IOZbJ7PCPk

Six
Months

>>68204136
i'm confused, does something screw you over if you get the N3 before the N1? do the japanese try to turn the tables on you and say you used to suck or something like that?

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>Tfw I have given up everything I've ever tried to learn because I'm a faggot with no motivation
>Tfw I've tried to learn Jap a few times over the past 10 years but usually stop halfway through Hiragana & Katakana
>Tfw this small amount of work that I've put into learning Jap this time (which has been significantly more than the previous times) has been the most effort I've put into anything.

I don't just want to learn Japanese. I NEED to learn it.

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>>68203515
>tfw skipping it

>>68204187
"fluent" is different than N1 level though

>>68204030
are you even reading my question or are you just playing dumb
if you can't do N1 then just don't sign up for anything
it's pointless

>>68204103
"best use of time" etc. all that stuff is on a per person basis
if I genuinely enjoy studying japanese and want to be fluent then why in gods name would I drop it just to give myself some extra time to do something I don't enjoy doing as much
also this
>4 years to learn a language or 4 years to get a degree and learn a useful skill with technology
is kinda stupid
language learning is a lifelong process and doesn't exactly overlap or seriously conflict with earning a degree in the first place

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>tfw JCAT score is lower than last time I took it
I'm ready to fail N2 tomorrow.

>>68204249
Very similar to me Britfriend. Except I'm a few thousand words in so far.

But I still can't form a single sentence. 9 years and nothing to show for it. ADHD is some shit.

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Whats the Japanese version of COPS called?

>>68204246
No but it means you've thrown away money that could have been spent on something useful

>>68204340
>166
>N2
がんばってね

>>68204402
いや無理もあるだろうが

how much do you pay for taking JLPT test?

This fucking greedy ETS took me like 200 usd for TOEFL

>>68204334
>if you can't do N1 then just don't sign up for anything

Please heed this advice. N1 isn't even native or near-native level of fluency. It's just fluent according to polyglots' standards.

>>68204166
This comic made me realize ね and ネ are actually really similar. Woah.

>>68204402
To be fair I got 188 the last time I took it.
I was never expecting to pass though.

>>68204431
It's only like 60 dollars for the test itself, but the test centers are fairly spread out. So for many of us the cost of transportation is as much as the test itself

>>68204441
>It's just fluent according to polyglots' standards.
Wrong, it is completely perpendicular to fluent according to polyglots' standards because it doesn't test speaking, and barely tests listening.

I don't know about the test itself, but if you've looked at practice material for N1 you would know that it actually is near native level in terms of reading. BUT only if you can actually read and understand everything, which is of course much more difficult than passing with a 100/180

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>>68204249
what are you using the jap knowledge for, friend?

so you guys want TOEFL like exam for Japanese language with all reading/listening writing and speaking?

>>68204431
Did you pass?

>>68204815
TOEFL is no pass/fail exam like JLPT it gives you only a score

>>68204441
>>68204334

really? the other thread was saying n3 looks good on a resume, and even n2 can get you to japan

>>68204796
Neah I don't really care I can judge myself, and for most people learning Japanese using normal methods, their speaking and listening will be their best skills. So it doesn't matter so much.

It just means you have to take it into account with regards to what the N1 actually means.

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>>68204878
a plane ticket can get you to japan boya ww

>>68204854
What was your score?

Maybe I can study on my one day off.

Just not do it all day just draw some kanji and enjoy it.

>>68205001
it was almost 5 years ago, i got like 95
>fug speaking

>>68204249
>Nothing in the world can take the place of Persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan 'Press On' has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.

Or think about it this way: If you don't give up, you can't not learn Japanese.

Should I even bother taking the JLPT tomorrow? I know I'm going to fail 2bqh and I don't want to drive through downtown Atlanta during a Falcons game.

>>68205249
You already paid for it?

>>68205249
>he doesn't know the importance of actually taking a test

>>68204379
お巡りさん!
Or are you talking about a TV series?

>>68205249
If you already paid for it, it's worth it even if you fail, just to see what the actual process is like

>if you read manga for learning Japanese you are not learning real Japanese
Why exactly?
Okay I guess some character might talk like a retard or be rude, is there anything else?

>>68205475
>if you read manga for learning Japanese you are not learning real Japanese
who believes this exactly? (aside from the one shitposter who used to spam it daily)

what's a good japanese tv series (no anime) that mostly appeals to western viewing patterns

>>68205552
see my name

いろんなくにの

あのんがいて

たのしいな

おにいちゃんの

けさのちょうしょくをおしえて

>>68205579
What's the best Kamer Rider?

>>68205599
俺はトーストとコーヒー

>>68205475
Who are you quoting (no, really)?
Manga is mostly dialogue, but that's it. Normal people don't talk like newspaper articles or go on long-winded chuuni monologues either, but you need to understand those if you want to "know Japanese".
>>68205599
ヨーグルトだけだった
ねぼすけだから普通に朝食は食べない

>>68205459
It's almost impossible for me not to read this word as おめぐりさん
Of course I can correct myself immediatley but it's still always the first thing i think of

>>68205697
On the other hand newspapers don't use tons of slang and jokes and aren't high context

As long as you're being challenged you're learning.

>>68205683
>>68205697
あたしはごはんとみそしると

めだまやきと焼き鮭と焼き海苔

ふつうのにほんのちょうしょくだね

>>68205459
reality TV series

>>68205599
牛乳1リットル
パンに燻鮭5枚
後はゆったり紅茶啜る

>>68205730
Maybe you need a song to help you remember.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dU440caSIj4

どこのくにのちょうしょくも

やさいぶそくだね

あたしもきょうは野菜抜きだったし

>>68205822
ぶっちゃけ、ちょっと羨ましい。。俺も焼き鮭食べたい

>>68205918
あのん、おまえもか

N2からよめるくらいかな
>2016/12/3(土)12:17 毎日新聞

>徳島県警は2日、女子小学生に抱きつき胸を触ったとして、同県上板町立上板中学校教諭、西垂水大誠容疑者(45)を強制わいせつ容疑で逮捕した。容疑を認めているという。西垂水容疑者は風呂場を盗撮しようとして鳴門市でかつて教えた生徒宅の敷地に侵入したとして、住居侵入容疑で任意の事情聴取を受けていた。

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い>>68204379
おまわり
デカ
権力の犬
>>68205730
おまわりさん
なお、お巡りさんと書くのは
巡査だから

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What's the Kyoto equivalent in America?

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>>68206293
>おまわりさん