Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1762

Why did we wait until the previous thread was dead to create the next one, creating confusion as to where DJT Discussion can take place?

Because you guys said you wanted it last thread
>>68116542
>>68116742

Same OP image as last thread? Booo.

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Just took the J-CAT for the first time after almost 9 months of study. How did I do?

>>68146405
You did 230

>>68146442
Is that good?

>>68146541
I got 251 after 3 months

>>68146632
You've watched about 5 times more anime than me, though.

>>68146405
>Giving DJT University a bad name

If you are fluent in Japanese which will you be trilingual, quadrilingual or more?

I get confused which thread is djt and which one is the regular Japanese thread. I just look at the /int/ part of the tab name as think its the Japanese thread

>>68147558
You can filter DJT to always be at the top of the board if you use it a lot.

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>>68147636
I have them both filtered and open in tabs but when I see the /int/ part I just assume it is the Japanese thread by habit I guess

>>68147550
Trilingual, but it's still too early to think about that.

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足が付くている女性と結婚したいです。

壮大夢を持っていません。

Man, flags make asking stupid questions way harder...
So what if I used the sentence 俺のおチンコを舐めるな! to mean "don't underestimate my dick" would it be 面白い, as in funny and not interesting?

>>68148130
>not knowing spanish
Seriously?

>>68148410
Portunhol != Spanish.

>>68148323
なんでやねん!

>>68148323
なかなか面白いよ

Oh cool, I thought DJT is gone for good.

>>68148323
わろたwww

>>68150072
It would be for the best if it was

こんにちは!

>>68148323
I asked a stupid question yesterday and I got ignored and trolled. It made me feel more できない. And since I still consider myself a beginner, even though I'm almost finished reading all よつばと!. Perhaps I may need to reread TK. I only see like one other flip poster here in /djt/. These flags need to go. This is no better than trip posting desu senpai.

>>68151059
The alternative is /jp/ and have you been to /jp/?

Also, I find that when I ask questions that people don't know the answer to they'll just ignore it. There's probably very few people here that actually learned Japanese to an advanced level. And people are less willing to answer old questions so just re-post it later. It helps sometimes.

出来ないちゃんのチャレンジャー きた!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S86ppy4jdxg

What's the program to download if I want to make an "Anki deck"?

i'm so fucking lost

>>68151506
Anki.

>>68151498
出来るのか?
無理だぞ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPF7lit7Z00

The day I get my scores I will drink a beer for every question I get wrong on the N1.

>>68148323
Flags on DJT wouldn't matter if you studied hard enough. Either way, everybody makes mistakes and learns.

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>>68151506
I think you can do it straight with rikaisama's live import. Picture related is a bit old, but you can also use this method.

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>>68152357
RIP future anon. Alcohol poisoning is a helluva way to go though.

>>68152362
なぜ君が寝ていない?寝よ!

>>68152633
まだ早いぞ
お前子供か?

>>68152917
はやい? 1時30分夜中だよ!夜更かしが体にわるいよ!そして、わしは子供、かわいい子供、可愛い女の子。覚えるな!

>>68152498
Hey I just said I would drink I have no plans to die

わたしわがんばるます

>>68153508
You said you'd drink a beer for every question you got wrong.

>わたしわがんばるます

You're gonna die, man.

>>68153934
that's obviously not my real nihongo chikara i'm estimating 10 questions wrong at most

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Hm my eyes were drawn to the fixed thread here on /int/ and its image shows us some ways to say hello in various languages. It has "oi" and "olá" side by side and in the same color to stress the point that they're from the same language and you can use either
But then it goes and shows 今日は in a random color and こんにちは in a different one...

>>68153322
Jesus

>>68154964
Well 今日は is technically correct but might as well be wrong so you can't just use either

こんにちもついたちがんばるぞい

>>68155160
>今日は is technically correct
I'll read that as きょうは then. It's still technically correct anyway.

>>68155160
Yeah, it is a bit strange to see it in kanji but it's the same word and that's what I found odd

>>68155317
The colors are basically random it's not that odd

>>68147550
Japanese is my fourth language. But if you count Spanish, which is a free bonus for every Portuguese speaker, you can say I'm already at five, even though I won't pursue Spanish. Choo choo!

Someday I'll learn Russian and Finnish too and, depending on the market of weebshit, Chinese/Korean.

Make it stop.

>>68156325
>Finnish
Don't bother, it's completely useless

>>68156406
I know, that's why I'm postponing it. But it's the prettiest language of all, I want to learn it just so I can speak it to myself.

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So I started actually using Rikaichan's Anki-export feature, installed anki, and now i'm building my deck (haven't started using anki yet, in the preparation stages)

Using Memrise on the side while learning tae kim's grammar guide.

Hoping I can get myself N3 ready by July's JLPT but if all else fails I can try again in December

it's actually happening brahs

>>68156586
>Memrise
WHY

When can we take this thread back to /a/? Please?

Example: 「村人Aさんに村人Bさん」
Why is it に instead of と?

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>3 years ago all I wanted was to be able to read moege, watch anime raw and harem light novels
>Finally got the the point where I can read quickly and watch anime raw but my taste have changed since then
>Now I spend my time reading stuff like Lovecraft, Murakami, Otsuichi in japanese
>Moege and Light Novels make me rage when I read them because of how poorly they are written
>I have not watched anime in a year
>The last visual novel I enjoyed was Sakura No Uta

Learning japanese was a mistake.

>>68157029
Why would you read Lovecraft in Japanese?

>>68157143
It's fun to read some of my favorites in a different language. I wonder what Don Quixote reads like in Japanese.

>>68157013
sorry that example's probably a bit confusing

Two 2D lolis arrive at their friend's house and when their friend opens the door, she says 「ああ!ロリAちゃんにロリBちゃんですね!」

>>68156994
why not? what's wrong with using memrise -and- anki?

>>68157013
>>68157269
I don't remember where I read about this grammar point (can't seem to find it in the DoJG page), but if I recall correctly, に can be used in this manner when A is being accompanied by B. Or something like that.

>>68157029
Rip. Last vn I played was Hanachirasu, that was great. I'm finally learning japanese in order to enjoy more weeb content... please make it worth it, Japan!

>隠密
>隠蔽

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>open vn
>see this
>close vn
>>68146154
New here, friend? On /a/, the mods said "only one thread at a time." This was interpreted by some (see: the same few people who always made the new thread) to mean "wait until the thread dies to make a new one". And so it has been, for like four years or something. The inertia keeps it going. Only one thread up at a time. No matter what people want or say or expect. One at a time. Until some int newbie starts posting the threads.

>>68157458
>Open a book
>See text
>Close book

You will forever be dekinai, nothing in your image is particularly hard to undestand. Stop being intimidated by walls of easy words.

>>68157458
This is not /a/, we don't have to abide by any exceptional rules anymore.

>>68157029
Friend when it comes to VNs you are just reading the wrong stuff. There's plenty of darker visual novels like SayoOshi and Lost Colors, or more "intelligent" visual novels like Kanishino and Seabed. Yeah, moege tend to have poor writers, and they're most vns, but not certainly not all.
>>68157560
>what is a meme

>>68157562
Creating a thread ahead of time is stupid though.

>>68157623
>I was only pretending to be retarded.

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>>68157642
I make posts like that all the time.

>>68157458
>>68157623
What you linked really is nothing though, had you showed something with complicated words ok but all of these where in my stupid N4-3 decks from years ago.

>>68157685
That's amazing bravo keep it up.

>>68157641
It's how things are done here on /int/, it seems.

>>68157731
The joke is the text density. And thank you, I will.

>>68157771
Just because you walk into a room full of retards doesn't mean you have to start acting like a retard

>>68157803
It's "board culture".

>>68157739
How can you practice vocab without simultaneously practicing kanji? Do you only read/write/practice in kana?

>>68157887
You can practice kanji without RTK...

>>68157949
That is exactly what I am saying. Thanks for repeating?

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>>68157685
Meme or not, some people truly seem to have irrational fear of wall of texts, wall of text phobia. But we need to fight on, guys, because we aren't 出来ない!

Whats wrong with Memrise you fucking faggots?

Is doing Memrise + Anki the incorrect way to learn shit? Then teach me the correct way. Fuck

and yes, i do plan on buying Genki 1/2

>>68158176
Don't worry about all those confusing things, just take a Japanese class at your school, it's all you need

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>>68158244
>just take a Japanese class at your school

You mean the schools that start you off with a 3-month kana course? $500~1000 and 3 months of your life to learn what I did on my own in 20 hours and $6.99 on a fucking steam app?

Are you FUCKING KIDDING ME?

The ONLY Japanese courses you should be taking in school are History/Culture/Society/Government courses. Pull your own fucking weight for the JLPT

>>68157887
You just do Core. It has the word in kanji on the front and the kana on the back. Not that hard to understand.

>>68158176
Why would you use memrise instead of just more anki though? What does memrise have that anki doesn't?

By the way, the main problem with memrise is that multiple choice is a garbage way to test yourself, and typing the answer takes too much time.

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>tfw too smart for Japanese uni course

>>68158836
languages aren't about intelligence (other than the intelligence required to realize that classes are a waste of time). They are just about putting in lots of work. Good luck.

>>68158712
This is what he's saying, by learning vocab you ultimately learn kanji as well.

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>>68158395
He was being sarcastic, moron.

>>68158836
then it's time for you to take the EJU and apply directly to a japanese college

get a nip degree

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What is it? Please tell the kanji thanks.

>>68158918
Okay, I've been thinking about taking a Japn class since I've been slacking off in muh 自習勉強 and thought the only way to motivate myself if I formally took a class in it. My only problem is if I find it too easy and end up wasting money.

>>68159042
A級 切渡 麻美

>>68158176
Why do you guys insist on using Genki 1/2 when Nakama 1/2 is just about the same except it isn't filled with romaji bullshit, everything is kana in Nakama and it's the textbook given for japanese courses in the best universities.

>>68158395
>steam app
Seriously, nigga?

>>68158836
>just finished entry level uni spanish course
>tfw didn't even get to past tense

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>>68159153
>A級 切渡 麻美
Thanks. What about this one?

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Is it bad that I'm sticking to kanji-only study until I have a bit of vocab under my belt? I tried the TK guide, but it was really hard to follow with my minimal understanding. That said, the kanji study is incredibly slow and I feel I don't have much to show for it.

>>68159464
>sticking to kanji-only study
what did he mean by this

>>68159399
東京支部所属
「尻陰陽師」
日影 唯

>>68159484
Yes, yes, I know it's a fucking meme.

>>68159464
Try Japanese: the Manga Way.

>>68159464
It's always a matter of how eager you are to actually use the language.
There's an anon at 55chan who read the whole RTK book for 8 months without studying any vocabulary or readings, only focusing on kanji recognition and creating mnemonics for their general meaning. No grammar either.

I on the other hand jumped straight into the vocabulary mess with all irregular readings and mishmash of similar kanji. Also no grammar.

I also have a friend who read all of Tae Kim's guide without ever touching on any sort of kanji/vocabulary study. He can easily make sense out of a sentence, provided he can put every individual kanji on a dictionary and get a translation. That is really time-consuming, so now he's doing some Anki too.

So yeah, there you go, three "pure" experiences. each has its advantages.
Going for kanji study makes it easy to recognize all of them and really understand their meaning in a compound. Facilitates vocabulary study.
Going straight for vocabulary helps not having to check the dictionary all the time, but brings a bit of confusion with similar kanji.
Going for grammar allows you to understand the text with the most precision, but gives you no independence from dictionaries.

In the end you will probably have to study everything, just put your main focus where you most want to improve for the time being.

>>68158712
How retarded are you?

>>68159885
>There's an anon at 55chan who read the whole RTK book for 8 months without studying any vocabulary or readings, only focusing on kanji recognition and creating mnemonics for their general meaning. No grammar either.
クソワロタ
さすが55ちゃんクズどもめ

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>>68159490
>東京支部所属
>「尻陰陽師」
>日影 唯
please the last one, and thanks.

>>68160100
五尻 龍膽的專屬隊
尻影部隊

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>>68160100
>尻影部隊
>butt shadow squad

>>68159978
I don't know but I know Japanese and you don't, so that's something to think about

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>>68159464
>>68159535
It being a meme was the meme, at least for me. I started out doing Core6k at 20 new cards per day. Plus reviews this ended up taking about an hour a day; too slow for my liking. I then did KKLC for 40 days at 50 Kanji per day (read mnemonics, added to Anki, tested recognition), and picked up Core6k where I left it off. I ended up being able to go at 60 new cards + reviews per hour, triple my previous rate. Moreover, because I learned to see Kanji in terms of radicals and through the lense of mnemonics, I am now less likely to fail to recognize words I should know just because they're in a different font, or fail to identify identical Kanji in occuring in different words, and so on. All in all, Kanji study was definitely well worth it for me, so if you're struggling more than you think you should, consider giving it a try.

Any good short story collections? I only know Murakami's.

>>68160869
Kawabata, Akutagawa. No idea about difficulty level, though, I read translations a long time ago.

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Yesterday I realized I could finally read 2ch without any trouble
This is where it all begins, 初心者たちよ

>>68160635
It's just a shame you can't understand English.

>>68159983
I don't see how learning over 2000 kanji under 8 months can be a reason for you to LE FUNNY TOP KEK in Japanese, but okay.

In Kodansha Kanji Learner's Course, do I just focus on learning the bolded keywords?

Please respond.

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おはようおにいちゃん

これはもうふゆだね

>>68162782
>learning over 2000 kanji under 8 months
Do you legitimately think that's noteworthy? Or even average? That's less than 10 kanji per day, and he doesn't know anything about actual Japanese.

>>68162782
I mean, the book even says it takes 2-3 months. And you literally only learn to recognize the kanji. You still can't read and no exactly 0 vocabulary.

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This is dumb. You're all fucking dumb.
>Ask a simple question, aka, how do I go about learning this language
>"lol if you do it that way, you don't know any vocab&grammar"
>"lol if you do it that way, you won't recognize most of the kanji or know any grammar"
>"lol if you do it that way, you won't be able to recognize kanji or know any vocab"

What is this shit, tell me what to fucking study then to avoid that crap you fucking worthless cunts. Holy shit.
What is even the point of these threads.

>>68162782
>can be a reason for you to LE FUNNY TOP KEK in Japanese, but okay.
The daily Japanese threads on /a/ were replete with those sort of retarded posts in Japanese which managed to almost entirely bypass moderation while at the same time re-enforcing an environment of unabashed shitposting.

>>68162830
You focus on learning to recognize the kanji and associating it to the keywords, particularly the bolded ones.
>>68163537
What do you want to know?

>>68162830
I can only tell you what worked for me, so take this with a grain of salt, but I believe that if you're going to do dedicated Kanji study in order to divide-and-conquer the vocab learning task, there's no point in trying to also learn vocab (or readings, for that matter) at the same time.

I just used the example vocab to check my understanding of the keywords and try to see how the Kanji keywords combined to yield the word meanings, but what I really focused on was nailing down just the Kanji<->Keyword associations so I could proceed with vocab study ASAP. I didn't bother writing anything down, either.

>>68163185
>>68163189
You realize not everyone puts several hours daily into this, right? Your regular Anki Core rate of 20 new cards a day gives you 4800 words in 8 months, with somewhere between 1200 and 1400 kanji.

(Actually RTK covers 2100 if I'm not mistaken), so it's a difference of 900~700 kanji with the benefit of not mixing up them when they show up in vocabulary study.

Not to mention if someone did it in 3 months like RTK suggests, that'd be a 1100 kanji difference.

Once you know the kanji, you can probably crank up the Anki new cards volume and catch up really fast.

For a thread where people unironically take English university courses and spend a semester learning kana, you are really trigger-happy to shoot efficient methods that are not optimal.

>>68163537
If you can't figure the answer, maybe work on your English, Ahmed.

>>68163567
Yeah, kusowarotters are the t b f s m f h phamalan of DJT.

>>68163586
>What do you want to know?
I want to know which resources are worth me dedicating my time into studying to quickly and efficiently get me to a point in which I can read basic Japanese so that I can play my shitty video games without having to wait for years for them to be localized.
That's all.

>>68163537
You're the one who's dumb. You should be able to work out how to study on your own, no one else can give you a perfect study plan because what worked for them might not work for you.
That said, do grammar before anything else. Then watch a lot of cartoons, and study either vocab in kanji or the kanji themselves, whichever goes smoother for you, because you'll need kanji to read.
Honestly it doesn't matter what order you do any of this shit in, as long as you do all of it at some point you'll have a more or less complete picture of the language in your head.

>>68163637
The difference is that Core2k6k teaches you actual words, with fully voiced sentences on every card to boot.

>For a thread where people unironically take English university courses and spend a semester learning kana
No one on DJT advocates that, quite the opposite.

Besides, my post was on-topic. It was about study methods. If you don't like it, just pretend that I called that guy a fucking retard instead.

>>68163537
>tell me what to fucking study
Take a class if you aren't capable of being an autodidact. Asking to be spoonfed is only going to result in mouthfuls of different flavours of shit.

>>68156406
無用の用?

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>>68163637
>You realize not everyone puts several hours daily into this, right?
We're all serious boys here.

>>68163537
You should probably just start working through a comprehensive beginner's textbook like Genki. After a couple of chapters/weeks, you'll know what you're struggling with the most, and at that point coming here for specific advice becomes sensible.

>>68163637
I did RTK briefly because I was convinced by its marketing scheme.

It took me around 2-3 weeks of an hour-a-day studying to get to around 800 kanji. I mean, it's suuuuuuuper easy. And that's with writing it out (on my hand with my finger).

Taking 8 months to do it is either lazy or really, really, really, really slow.

>>68163777
>The difference is that Core2k6k teaches you actual words, with fully voiced sentences on every card to boot.
This is where I went after and even that wasn't too great. Honestly (imo) the best thing is to learn a good 500-1000 easy common words through Core and just start reading. Get your vocab from what you're reading.

>>68163537
There's more than one way to skin a cat, dipshit. This isn't Reddit where we just tell you to get Genki and join a University class.

>>68163537
>Different people recommend different ways of going about learning a language
What the nani?!

>>68163740
Here's the deal: there's no way for us to guess which resources will work best for you. Some people swear by RTK/KKLC/KD, and some people have learned over 3000 kanji purely from vocab. You have to find your optimal path by yourself because it's different for everyone.
There are three resources that I'd recommend to anyone, however: Tae Kim's grammar guide (concise and comprehensive enough for basic reading material), DoJG (by far the single best J-E grammar resource), and the first 2000 words of Core.

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>>68163754
>You should be able to work out how to study on your own, no one else can give you a perfect study plan because what worked for them might not work for you.
Utter bullshit, you can give people a perfect study plan for quite literally every other language out there, so there's no reason why the same cannot be done for this one. It's not some magical fucking impossible language which is what people are seemingly trying to make it out to be.

>That said, do grammar before anything else.
So Tae Kim grammar despite not knowing any kanji at all? And that will be fine for the most part?

>>68164021
>you can give people a perfect study plan for quite literally every other language out there
Utter bullshit.

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>not liking the flags
結構かわいいだと思うけど
皆、友達じゃない?
アノンくんの旗が好き

>>68164021
>you can give people a perfect study plan for quite literally every other language out there
What the fuck?
It's not possible to make a "perfect study plan" for anything. Nothing can be perfect for everybody, that's the point here.

>So Tae Kim grammar despite not knowing any kanji at all? And that will be fine for the most part?
Yes, you don't need to know any kanji or vocabulary to do TK's grammar guide. You can mouse over words to see what they mean. Doing his guide first will give you a nice foundation, then you can reinforce everything and improve your comprehension by watching a lot of cartoons, and reading when you're good enough to read.

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>>68164148
み 見ないでよ

>>68164148
>>68164236
>inb4 this starts a meme of flags being the posters おっぱい

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言語が簡単なことだと推測すんじゃねぇぞぉ

>>68164340
>二十五歳
30才だろおい

>>68163537
1. Learn hiragana and katakana
2. Learn the grammar along with whatever example words and kanji are used to teach the grammar
3. Watch 10000 hours of anime
4. ???
5. Profit

>>68164404
This.
And I suggest Anki after you're familiar with the language. I started it after reading Tae Kim but you can certainly do it sooner

>>68164404
Finland and anime keeps showing up, did you try some hardcore AJATT or something, Jonnen?

>>68164404
thirding this
it's the closest to a "perfect" study plan

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>>68164713
I started with step 3, did step 1 after it and didn't do step 2 at all

>>68164821
>11492 hours of anime
Post N1 certificate

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>>68164404
>>68164553
>>68164775

Thanks, this is the route I'll take then.
If I go at this hard, as in spend the majority of my days working on the grammar as suggested, how long on average would it take before I could theoretically read through basic shit?

>>68164885
I'm not learning this language for a useless certificate. Got 251 on jcat last year with really low kanji knowledge

>>68164821
Bretty good, how much of it was unsubbed? The ultimate approach - how babies learn their languages!

>>68165079
dang, a cumulative year and a half of japanese cartoons and all you got is a 251
>I'm not learning this language
damn right www

自分のいい場所〜

>>68165238
しかしブラジルはくそ場所だ

>>68165124
I still watch mostly subbed because it's just easier to download and I also send them to my brother and he needs subs. I'm not really reading them anymore outside of words I can't remember

>>68165167
It's hard to get grammar, vocab and reading questions right when you can't read half of the kanji

映
What the FUCK is the Hiragana used for typing this piece of shit out?
Nothing from all of the sources I've read is working.
Most are saying えい but it fucking isn't.

>>68165698
You could try the backspace key.

>>68165698
Write 映る and then delete the る

>>68165698
I typed えい and it's the 8th one down in the IME menu. 映

>>68165698
I don't know what your problem is, but I'm going to give you some examples.
映像
映画館
映画
Those are the chinese readings, also called 『音読み』
There are also japanese readings, called 『訓読み』
That being said, you should have known this already.

>>68165698
In cases like this you would usually just type the kun word and use the backspace key
If it's a kanji you need to type a lot for some reason just do this >>68165802 and then it'll be at the top again next time you type えい when you need it

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>>68165698
Strange...

>djt turns out to be filled with shitskin sudacas

who would have thunk it

>>68165918
>shitskin sudacas
I'll never know how americans come up with this shit. Maybe that's where all of their intelligence goes.

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>>68165986
>Brazilians
>intelligence

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>>68165750
>>68165800
>>68165891
Unless I'm mentally challenged (which to be honest, could be the case), backspace is not actually doing anything other than deleting it.

>>68165802
>>68165913
Pic related, not showing up for me at all when typing out えい.

>>68166035
Who are you quoting?

>>68166037
It's designed to type words not kanji.

>>68166084
Welcome to /int/ sudaca weeb trash.

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Feels good being part of the 1,6 million and knowing that I won't be treated like trash when I go to Japan.

>>68166037
What I meant was: type any word with the kanji you want (映画, 映す etc) and delete the rest.

>>68166113
Please keep off this thread. You are not welcome here.

>>68165698
type 映画 ,and delete 画

>>68166146
Please keep off this board first. Sudaca.

>>68166117
Are you a half-shit? Also, did you get taught japanese from birth, at least a bit?

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>>68165986
A lot of people's efforts go into bringing others down and insulting them. Kinda dumb to be honest.

Seeing all of the Brazilian flags is interesting though. I read that Brazil has the highest Japanese population besides Japan. Were you influenced by that or was it just weeb shit like the rest of us?

>>68166189
No and no (unless you count stuff like こんにちは and さよなら.)

>>68166252
Different dude but I know exact one half-japanese guy who I served in the army with. I decided to study the language for weeb stuff too

>>68166037
See that scroll bar?
Mash space enough and you'll see the kanji you want.
Also what >>68166117 >>68166154 said, type 映す etc. and then press backspace once to delete the extra character.

>>68166252
>Were you influenced by that or was it just weeb shit like the rest of us
I have to admit that I do have a few japanese neighbors, but it was mostly just weeb shit that got me into this. Also, the desire to be superior to other brazilians.

>>68166252
>was it just weeb shit like the rest of us?
Yeah.

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I wish TK had more exercises. It's hard to retain this stuff, or even know whether or not I'm retaining it, when I'm given so little practice. You guys say that Genki is slow but I'm wondering if it wouldn't be more fruitful.

>>68166252
>A lot of people's efforts go into bringing others down and insulting them.
True story. You ever try telling people you're learning Japanese? They talk shit like learning Japanese is the most ridiculous thing they've ever heard of.

>>68166577
Just read something

>>68166577
You can find as many exercises as you want, just try reading something and see if you can understand it.

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according to Tae Kim, なければ can be abbreviated to なきゃ, to express things that must be done, can this be done with the conditional alone? Its the only explanation I can find for this sentence: ばれなきゃいいのですよね

>>68166634
Learning an entire language so you can watch cartoons and masturbate to your untranslated visual novels is the cringiest of the cringe.

No wonder why you were kicked off /a/. You were even too autistic for /jp/.

>>68166727
>no, no!!! dont dedicate yourself to something or get a hobby!!! thats bad!!!!
I already told you to fuck off once, dumb burger.

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>>68166727
I'd report you but clearly the mods don't give a shit about us.

>>68166577
He's concise on purpose so his guide isn't long or intimidating
Just take a look at imabi

>>68166725
Yeah, なきゃ is a short version of なければ

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>>68166634
>You ever try telling people you're learning Japanese?
Yes. They immediately asked if I watch anime and I said "sometimes" and they laughed saying that they thought I did. It was only when I had to explain that I also like reading books (basically I'm not just a mindless weeb) that they had a little respect for me.

I don't know, other languages don't get this kind of treatment. It's not fair and it only encourages me to hide it. But I'd choose Japanese and this weird weeb shit over people any day. Thank god there's the internet so I'm not completely alone either. Love you faggots.

>>68166775
You seem greatly upset sudaca trash. Hit a nerve?

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>>68166899
Yeah I know man. "I'm learning [any language except Japanese]."

>who gives a fuck?

"I'm learning Japanese."

>SO YOU CAN JERK OFF TO HENTAI? ANIME TITTIES

And I'm just sittin' there like

>>68166899
>>68166970
Just open with "I know Japanese" instead of "I'm learning Japanese" and maybe things will go better

>>68166970
This is probrably only a problem in america. In Brazil, I get the impression that people cannot believe me if I say that I'm fluent in english, much less if I say that I'm learning japanese. I guess they are just too dumb to learn any other language besides spanish.

>>68166577
I did Genki and didn't regret it. That said, unless you want to produce (speak/write), you can safely skip the exercises and instead rely on subbed anime (listening for known words/phrases/grammar) and the voiced example sentences from the Core6k deck to reinforce all the basic grammar/conjugations until they becomes intuitive. Regular exposure to the spoken language should be a part of your studies anyway.

>>68166899
Some people just tend to bring you down when they hear you're doing something that requires time and effort which is not related to work, school, fitness or sex.
They seem to be unable to understand that not everyone is a mindless drone with no passions like them. Of course Japanese has the extra weeb stigma attached to it.

>>68165455
I feel less lonely now. I still watch all of my anime with English subs because of occasional words I don't get. Sure I could watch raw and boast about "how I watch my anime raw" but it wouldn't be worth missing out on whatever I didn't get.

Also I generally watch anime when I do food breaks so I sometimes don't fully pay attention so subs sometimes help.

I wish we had reliable Japanese subs for currently airing series.

Okay I'm back with 1 more dumb as fuck question to try understand something.

明るい. This means bright, right? But if that means bright, why is this Tae Kim and other sources simply listing 明 alone as bright?

Am I missing something incredibly obvious here? Do they both just mean bright and I'm reading into this shit too much? But if so then what's the point of the first one I listed having the two extra hiragana at the end?

>>68167518
明るい is a word (an i-adjective to be exact).

明 is a kanji, which if we had to stick a general English "definition" or "keyword" to it would be "bright" because this kanji is generally, mostly, used in words related to "bright".
See :
http://jisho.org/search/%E6%98%8E%20%23kanji
Under On/Kun reading compounds you have word examples in which this kanji is used.

We agree that 女 is the kanji for woman, right? Well, same logic here.

>>68167462
Don't get complacent.
>it wouldn't be worth missing out on whatever I didn't get.
You won't miss out on anything as long as you make some effort to look it up, and if you do look things up, mine words, etc. you'll learn more and faster.
Intensive listening can be really useful. Watching lots of english subbed anime is good exposure nonetheless of course, but without any intensive listening practice those crutches won't go away for years.

>>68165913
Nice chink ideograms you've got there, champ.
Try typing 誤字 (ごじ) and 直す (なおす) and screenshot the results.
You'll be surprised.

>>68167518
http://jisho.org/

>>68167604
You're probably right, I think it's because I have my hands full with reading as intensive activity so watching anime during my breaks is a way to relax to me. I do intend to take the jump sometime soon if possible.

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私は日本に住みたいが、私の日本語は悪いと私はお金がありません。

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>>68167609
Oh, wth. This keyboard app is weird, it won't give me the kanji for legit japanese words like 輪姦す(bad example, I'm sorry) but it will send hanzi my way...

>>68167857
So much 私

>>68167857
体を売れば日本語は不要

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>>68167969
苛めっ子

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>>68167968
>legit japanese words like 輪姦す
Now we know why you're learning Japanese.

>>68167857
>that と in the middle of the sentence
Just use て-form or し.

>>68168020
>姦
Is this the most politically incorrect kanji ever?

>>68168080
>women are wicked
I don't see the problem here.

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>>68167968
>輪姦す

This is actually the default rule on Google Chrome and generally Android on non-Japanese devices/OSes.
Firefox is one of the rare exceptions.
To fix this you have to root your device and add a Japanese fallback font, else you're getting chinese ideograms.

If you wanna know more about the whole problem, google Han Unification.

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>>68167857
>私は
>私
>私は
なんなんだよ?!もう!

元気してるのか、俺の黒人兄弟

>>68168247
>(私は)日本に住みたいが、日本語が下手で、お金がありません。

fixed. use て form for saying "and".

>>68168176
Oh cool, I'll look into that
>>68167857
Osu. I watched this video that the girl says you can't use 悪い like that, and 下手 or 苦手 or the correct options https://youtu.be/Tf2q36mOCxw

>>68168334
>黒人
いやいや、白人だよ
黄人とか黒人が大嫌い

>>68168457
meant to quote>>68167857

>>68168457
完璧

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>>68168465
>いやいや、白人だよ
嘘をつくなよ、お前の目は茶色だろう

>>68166725
ズルをしているのがバレなきゃ問題ない (バレさえしなければ問題ない)
It is no problem as long as I don't get caught cheating.

宿題をしなきゃなんない(宿題をしなければならない)
I have to do my homework.

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わたし わ ふろんずで

>>68169359
>わ

>>68147550
My 6th language.
After:
>Indog
>Javanese
>Arabic
>English
>Chink

>>68169443
>replying to shitposting

>>68147550
I will always only speak one language and that is American.

>>68167857
体を売るしかないね

ペニス
はは、ペニス

今日も日本語能力試験の勉強をすることなく一日を無駄に使った

>>68168176
>To fix this you have to root your device and add a Japanese fallback font
what about just change the language of the phone to Japanese?
i had to change my phone's language to English to see what you guys were talking about

>>68169729
俺だって神経衰弱するところです

>>68170101
Pelmanism?

I have sat here for about 7 hours doing near enough nothing.
I literally haven't learned a thing despite staring at this shit for half a day. I cannot believe this shit.

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>>68170556
Ah, hello newfriend. Welcome to /djt/.

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>>68170808

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>>68170556
だいじょうぶ

おにいちゃんは

ぜったいできるよ

>>68170556
Are you using your time wisely? Maybe you should change your approach.

>>68170962
Took me like 2 minutes to read just this. I understood the first two lines but not the last one, had to check for the answer on that one.
ありがと though my Japanese friend!

>>68171058
Well I used up 7 hours for essentially nothing, so I thin it's safe to say I'm using my time in the worst way possible.

Only thing that came from those 7 hours is now I know how to say which, who, when, why, how, where. Nothing else has stuck at all.

>>68171280
>Took me like 2 minutes to read just this
If you can't read something like that, you need to stop shitposting on DJT and study. And I mean actually study.

>>68171280
Have you used Tae Kim yet? The general consensus is that it's great for beginners. I think learning grammar while easing into basic vocab might be a good way to go. It should feel like you're learning something too.

>>68171422
I've literally been on this page for 7 hours
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/particlesintro_ex
Trying to learn the kanji and vocabulary he's given.

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>>68170962
で...出来る?

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>>68171492
why are you so stupid
just read the guide don't waste your time

>>68171492
How are you trying to memorize it? Writing it down helps a lot. Also flashcards. Have you been using anki?

>>68170556
Close this fucking tab.
Focus on TaeKim or Anki or Hiragana/Katakana.
Don't rush it on one day. Do it everyday.

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>>68171602
The guide and literally the entirety of this thread has said to do tae kim. That's what this is.

>>68171630
By just sitting here and looking at the screen, pronouncing it a few times, and then forgetting it as soon as I move onto the next one.
I think I'm mentally exhausted from yesterday, because I learned a lot then.

>>68171664
I've fucking been looking at Tae Kim for the entirety of those 7 hours. It's not doing shit, I don't understand any of this grammar crap and I can't get any of this vocab stuff to stick.

This is so fucking aggravating.

>シーチキン

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>>68171728
シーチキンたべたいなー

白菜と一緒に炊くとぜっぴんだよ

>>68171718
Pretty sure I got through tae kim just fine without making an active effort to learn the vocab.
Are you doing anki alongside it?

>>68171718
If you're tired just end it for today because nothing is going to sink in when you're like that. Then give this a try.
https://www2.gwu.edu/~eall/vjgnew/vjghomepage/vjghome.htm
Maybe it will be good for the material to be presented to you.

>>68171782
日本のツナって本当に海の鶏なんですか

>>68171718
>The guide and literally the entirety of this thread has said to do tae kim. That's what this is.
use your head a little, figure out how to "do tae kim" in a way that doesn't waste your time
if you're not resourceful enough to do even that then you seriously belong in a classroom

vocab won't stick if you have no context for it this is just a fact
here's an honest suggestion from me personally
don't try to memorize all the vocab
that will just slow you down a lot and make it harder for you to remember grammar points
focus on grammar and grammar alone and mouse over the words in his example sentences if you need a reminder on what certain words mean
if after giving it the old college try the grammar still doesn't make any sense to you then you're just going to have to drop the notion that you can learn japanese

>>68171819
ぎょるいからりょうせいるい

はちゅうるいをへてちょうるいへ

しんかしたんだから

tinaもchickenもおんなじだよ

>>68171790
>Are you doing anki alongside it?
Yes

>>68171809
Nice one, I'll check that link out and see if it's any better.

>>68171833
>if after giving it the old college try the grammar still doesn't make any sense to you then you're just going to have to drop the notion that you can learn japanese
Not going to happen. I'll brute force it eventually.

>>68171959
>I'll brute force it eventually.
might as well start now
in language learning brute force equals exposure
fire up those cartoons

>>68171882
仮名君、漢字を使用できますか

>>68171882
お、恐ろしい理屈だね

>>68171718
Maybe try copying down what you're reading
Having to go through everything like three times might help it stick
You could also try getting someone (like your mum) to read what's giving you trouble and explain it in a different way

>>68171959
I'd also like to suggest the dictionary of Japanese grammar. To be honest even though TK is a fan favorite I couldn't sit through it for some reason. DoJG is more in-depth with a lot of example sentences and explanations.

>>68171959
>I'll brute force it eventually.
Better start watching anime then

>>68172033
だからあたしたちは

にんげんがにんげんをころす

しけいせいどdeath punishmentを

さいようするよ

>>68172088
Seconded. DoJG works so much better for me than Tae Kim. I think it's the brevity of TK that makes me skim through it so fast that I don't actually learn anything.

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>>68166634
>>68166899
Everyone I've ever told that I was studying Japanese thought it was the coolest shit in the world. They look at me like I'm some kind of genius. I think you all live too much in your own heads.

Maybe I just live around better people.

団子大家族

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>>68172422
>They look at me like I'm some kind of genius
>I think you all live too much in your own heads.

Mhm. It's us, right?

>>68172422
Same, though I don't tell anyone unless I have a reason to or it comes up for some reason.
Basically I treat it like a mental illness

>>68172422
They only say that because you're a fucking humble-brag normie who seems to seek praise and attention by telling people stuff like this. They only do so to avoid making things awkward.

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>>68172475
For real. The world isn't wasting its time silently judging you for watching anime like so many of you seem to think.

>>68172552
Shh he doesn't know they're actually laughing at him behind his back.

Just look at that expression. >>68172564

>>68172422
I mean, it's not like I've never had positive feedback from it. Honestly I don't care as much anymore since there is literally no reason to tell anyone anymore.

>>68172564
>The world isn't wasting its time silently judging you
I'm sorry anon but people judge others for the pettiest shit.

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>>68172595
>Delusional

>>68172422
yeah unless you live in new england that's pretty much the standard actually
sometimes I wonder what kind of shitholes the other anons here have worked themselves into

maybe some of you just smell bad in addition to learning japanese and that's why you get sneered at for gloating at people about it

See this is exactly why I had to learn some words for this stupid Tae Kim test section.
There's no English next to these sentences so I'm left guessing them and taking forever to figure them out.

これは水。これ___そう。

What the actual FUCK is Sou?
This is water. This is....not?
I don't know what the fuck sou is. I only found one thing when googling it which said it means 'seems like', so what? 'This is water. This seems like it.'?? The fuck is that even supposed to mean.

>>68172645
>>68172656
I miss when my power level was this low.

>>68172598
Yeah, there's no reason to bring it up out of thin air, but you shouldn't feel like you have to be ashamed of it. If I get asked what I spend my time doing, I'm going to say as much.

>>68172656
I do live in New England, and we're not like that at all up here. I honestly don't know where these anti-animefags are supposed to be living. I saw a hood rat wearing a Tokyo Ghoul hoodie and a Cowboy Bebpop snapback the other day

>>68172372
つまり死刑制度はとても恐ろしい理屈っぽくの考え方ってこと?
しかし共感で感情的って考え方は日本人でもできることはずでしょね?!

>>68172734
I want to agree with you. There is nothing wrong with enjoying any of this. But I have found that people's reactions to it have made me feel awkward. It doesn't help that people feel like they have to label others in order to understand them.

>>68172088
I've recommended tae kim on djt for years despite never having used it once

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>was planning on doing reps fast and doing a lot of studying for the JLPT
>end up taking 12 hours to do my reps
Why do I do this to myself?

>>68172727
You should read tyler kim. It is explained in there somewhere along with こう

>>68172900
A body in motion likes to stay in motion.

In. this case, doing reps.

>>68172727
これ が そう

だよ。がんばっておにいちゃん

>>68172755
たべるならばころさなくてはならない

わけがわからないよ

どうしてあのんくんは

感情なんてものにこだわるんだい

>>68173008
食べれるならば殺さなくてはならないのはわかったが
死刑で殺されたのは人間だとしたら…
まさかカニバリズムのつもりなのか

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Epic. Simply epic.
Only took me 20 minutes to figure out what half of these question were asking, but thankfully I was rewarded for my hard work by failing all but 1, and the best part is, I still don't even understand why.

>>68172564
>またそのさくらちゃんのやりまんポスター

>>68173204
Can you explain your answers or were you just guessing?

>>68173167
だからあたしとけいやくして

まほうしょうじょになってよ

>>68173304
結構です

明日の試験を受けるの?

>>68173204
>>68173415
Oh wait that says "failing all but 1" and not "failing only 1"

Yeah I guess you need to reread that chapter.

>>68173204
いやいやいやいや

「は」と「も」の使い分けにしても

どっちでもいけるよ1.3.5.6はね

2は「〇は×も」だね
4は「〇は×も」だね

「でも、~ない」の文は「は」でくっつかないとおかしいんじゃないかなあとおもうよ

>>68173425
ここはまだ2日だけど受ける
覚悟じゃない

What is the difference between

友達が書かない絵 and 友達が書かなかった絵?

>>68173500
どっちも不自然だよ

しぜんにくっつけるなら

>友達の書いていない絵

だよ。がんばっておにいちゃん

>>68172900
What level will you take?
何級?

>>68173570
2級

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>>68173293
Depends if I understood what was being asked.
1. Today it is raining. Yesterday it was raining.
I thought the topic would be 'today' since は was in front of today, so I figured since the other sentence was referring to yesterday it would have the も.

2. The topic is Jim, no? So I figured when the other sentence was referring to somebody else (I think that Kanji means 'I'? I dunno), it would be a change in topic which would again warrant the も.

3. Guessed because I don't know what 'Sou' is, as I mentioned in an earlier post.
Something like "This is water. This is ???"

4. Something about this pen being mine while the other one isn't?

5. Something about work tomorrow but no work today? Again I thought because the first subject was work, that it would mean when the subject switched to 'today' it would need the も.

6. Don't even know how this one ended up being correct if the same train of thought I used for the previous questions were wrong.

>>68173500
What are you trying to express with these sentences?

>>68173500
Both don't make sense
see >>68173522

"Friend is drawing that doesn't draw"
and
"Friend is drawing that didn't draw"

>>68173592
2級はそんなに難しくないと思うよ
頑張れ~

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>>68173500
*友達の描くことがない絵
漢字が違います
>>68173522
漢字の誤りも指摘できないの?

>>68173599
>>68173602
I want to say "A picture not drawn by my friend"
Opposite of this 私は、友達が書いた絵を見ました

>>68173667
Then you want to use >>68173522 or passive tense. It's kind of like 現在完了形, present imperfect tense. "The picture that my friend hasn't drawn", so use the て form and 友達の描いていない絵 or 友達が描いていない絵.

If you really want to use passive, then you should say 友達に描かれていない絵.

But these all sound a little forced.

>>68173667
Also technically 友達が描いた絵 is not "a picture drawn by my friend" but "a picture my friend drew" - do you see the difference?

>>68173785
Yeah, the voice of the sentences. Thanks a ton, anon.

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>>68173667
「それは、彼の描いた絵ではない」
絵は「書く」ではなく「描く」な
A picture not drawn by my friend
私の友達により描かれることのない絵

>>68173822
とっとと温泉に入れやはげやま

>>68173667
see >>68173751

Passive form is super useful for what you're trying to do.
www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/causepass

You can change
書く - to write, to draw
to
書かれる - to be written, to be drawn

>>68146113
KINO NO TABIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII

今日も一日憂鬱だ