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cara

>>68034080
23 and cannot drive. Can you lads drive? Do you have a car?

>>68033982
The US tax code is retarded though, 90% of taxpayers have to get an accountant or get software to do it for them.

If you think the US tax code is an example to follow, you're a moron.

doing a make of an arrangement

>>68034144
cant drive
20

>>68034144
yes
yes

>>68034144
Learn anon. Even if you rarely use it, having the car to nip to the shops instead of using public transport is a godsend

>inb4 hurr durr i'm in London

If so, don't ask silly questions

you lads know anything about the national audit office

>>68034094
no
u

>>68034144
>Can you lads drive?
yeah
>Do you have a car?
yeah

INCREMENTAL
INFILL
DENSIFICATION

>>68034144
yes no

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Janny at the range

>"We demand that you cease to use animal products in the production of currency that we have to use," the petition reads.

>On Twitter annoyed vegetarians and vegans have said it's "not cool" and "disgusting" and asking whether their rights have been considered.

Brits...

>>68034117
>FB_IMG
kys

>>68034117
hmm, i was born in 95, am i a 90s kid?

honesly i hope not because 90s kids are the most fedora-tier generation

>>68034144
23 and have my driving test next Friday

>>68034214
maybe
i dont know

>>68034217
Our bank notes are literally made of pork, people only just noticed

>>68034080
Nigel is clearly the bottom bitch in that relationship

I honk what I hate most about single mums is their sense of "I'm such a warrior and a fighter my life is a daily struggle but I get through" when their life circumstance is a result of them being a slut fucking some Chad in a nightclub that never returned her phonecall and having to rely on their chubby best mate Stacey to hold their hand in the birthing room

>Janny sees a thread posted early

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQGGQ-FCe_w

>>68034252
So what are you gonna do to make those people happy?

>>68034217
democracy and a nation where fear of reprisal for opinion is very low. you should be glad when retarded people are allowed to have a voice without penalty, listening to them is stupid but allowing them to speak is the very height of modernity.

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>>68034217
>yanks

>>68034274
>when their life circumstance is a result of them being a slut fucking some Chad in a nightclub that never returned her phonecall

nice projection

>>68034080
ah yes, special relationship
in my day we called it pederasty

would it be weird if i stashed away a pair of my gf's panties before she leaves tomorrow?

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Why do you still live here?

>>68034229
It's past your bedtime kid

>>68034274
is it necessary to honk at them?

>>68034316
Nothing apparently. They had 9 years to raise these concerns BEFORE the notes were circulated

>>68034357
Only if she notices them missing

so getting older quite simply is this:
basically, you start to empathize more

you even start to understand what inanimate objects might feel if they could feel. like you understand what a cup of water is feeling when it is getting boiled.

>>68034252
the imam will be hearing about this

Snoopers Charter

Thoughts?

>>68034401
Love it Ms. May, pls don't kill me

>>68034274
to be fair its mostly stupid when they were young, though i am not denying there are plenty of generally stupid ones. people grow up at different speeds and lets face it teenagers are stupid, their brains havent even finished growing, its to be expected that people make mistakes its just some have different ramifications.

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>>68034362
Haven't saved enough money to go to Freedomland yet

>>68034373
Good lad

Are the new 5ers fun to try to cut up and light on fire and shit?

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bulking now

>>68034401
Very big fan of the charter and of Theresa May and her government. I'm very happy to be British

might go for my fourth wank in as many hours

>>68034455
As many hours as what?

>>68034362
Because it's still better than anywhere else

Americans are citizens

The British are subjects

>>68034473
>UK comprehension

everyone

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can burgers ever recover?

>>68034391
>basically, you start to empathize more
yep until your breakdown some time between 28 and 50 where your empathy kicks in like a thousand new monkeys in your head screaming at you. after that its hard not to empathise with everything but you are just more sanguine about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U41IK1G2iWQ&feature=youtu.be

which of you is this?

>>68034427
>being an ameriboo
fucking state of you lad

>>68034401
nothing to hide nothing to fear

>>68034427
You can live with me :3

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>>68034422
>I was young and naive anon, you have to forgive me for the 3 children I have by different fathers it's all in my past

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>>68034483
Its literally not though

>>68034080
Making these things must take ages

>>68034401
I hope to meet Mrs. May dressed in leather ready to interrogate me after forcing me to take a viagra pill so she can slap my dick for long hours

>>68034500
both really, we are citizens up until the monarch dissolves parliament, at that point without a commons we are temporary subjects until a new one is appointed.

>>68034582
That kind of sex is banned now though

>>68034562
HDI is not an argument

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>>68034508
Americucks BTFO

>>68034362
you can trivialise anywhere just the same

if someone isn't happy living here they have the option to fuck right off

>>68034362
because as bad as it may be its still home

>>68034520
wew. glad i'm not there yet

>>68034533
i want to shoot some stuff
>>68034549
sweet

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/build-a-whole-new-capital-city-in-the-north-of-england-government-told_uk_583d9ad7e4b072ec0d606e46?xueg66r

business idea?

i have a black and white MAGA hat and i wear it in public. i wore it on the day Trump won.

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Thoughts?

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>Klopp: "Leeds are one of the great teams of England - big history, big support. I know because James Milner always tells me, again & again."

I don't get it. Can someone explain the joke?

>>68034634
>And Lord West of Spithead, the former head of the Royal Navy, said parliament should be placed on a ship and sailed around the country.

This is the sort of lunatic in charge of our nukes?

>>68034634
piss poor idea

ah yes what the UK needs is another Milton Keynes full of oxbridge twats

>>68034630
Shooting yourself would be a good start

>>68034666
haha

>>68034649
most british normies would have no idea what it is

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>MAYNE STWEEM MEDIAH

>>68034630
fucking hell lads look at the state of this twat

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>>68034615
it literally is though

>>68034708
love these posts

more

>>68034560
>euthanasing her 3 bastard children just to be with me
I'm honoured

>is X who we want in charge of nuclear codes?

How is this a valid argument and why is it used to often lately?

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>>68034634
>Lord West told the Lords the government could put parliament on “a purpose built ship” which could “visit various parts of England when it was needed”

>>68034634
theyre not wrong that london skews the economy but i couldn't give less of a shite where the capital is

keep it as london, it's a tourist/immigrant trap

>>68034726
>>68034562
damnit you're not australian so I can't post the australian hellhole pictures

As a black person, I don’t feel comfortable in a lot of psychedelic spaces if no one’s talking about the racism inherent to the war on drugs. In the psychedelic community, people will talk about the unfairness of the drug war and how it violates people's autonomy, but they refuse to name racism - ignoring the biggest elephant in the room.

By failing to make the implicit explicit, the psychedelic movement excludes people of color, especially black people, from having their voices heard. The War on Drugs is inherently anti-black. You can’t have a drug war without racism.

>>68034606
No it isn't

>>68034629
forewarned is forearmed lad.

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>>68034745
>purpose built ship

>>68034562
>>68034726
*gets shot*

unironically contemplating suicide right now lads
convince me why I shouldn't put a gun between my teeth and pull the trigger

>>68034229
>hmm, i was born in 95
>90s kids are the most fedora-tier generation
For one thing they certainly are fucking stupid.

wahey

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>>68034763
Got you covered m8

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>>68034763
needs to be one made for us tbf. maybe getting shot at a public event

>>68034508
banter

>>68034808
shit gets better, it really does.

>>68034816
high tier

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>>68034652

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>anon my sexual history is my past, it doesn't matter how many guys I've been with, or that they were much bigger than you, I chose you
What do?

>>68034869
"So that's a yes to anal?"

>>68034117
>Wahhhh, why is my life so hard!
>Everyone else is so privileged!

business idea: insure real estate in regions likely to be warzones in the future and collect when theyre inevitably damaged

I'm a yummy mummy!

>>68034869
THICC

Anyone watching Yuri on ice?

>>68034869
this is true 2bh

your gf's past sexual history is completely irrelevant

>Caring about a womans sexual history as long as she is clean

fedora

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>2015+1
>not sorting that poof out

>>68034274
raised by a single mum tb h

not the case

>>68034869
Wew

>>68034726
Australia only just above America in gross income despite being multitudes more expensive to live here.

>took a minute for the captcha to load
Fuck me.

>>68034906
>inb4 virgins mong out

>>68034869
block the slag

>>68034144
21
no
no

i live in london and take a train everywhere i need to

>>68034869

>this is a 9.7/10 in UK

is it "poser" or "poseur"?

"poseur" looks like a really poncy way to spell it desu

>>68034401
I love British values.

Name one thing more repulsive than a single mum

>>68034869
>i-i don't care, i just don't want to be lonely

>>68034634
At least if the government came out of London now and then they might realise that the whole country isn't a multiculti, muslim loving shithole like London is and change their opinions/policies to better reflect that

>>68034906
what if she got hiv or something

>>68034966
you

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>>68034953
>this is a 9.7/10 in funland

>>68034966
This is like trying to name something that isn't Jackie Chan

#of sexual partners is highly correlated with rates of cheating
not to mention sluts are just plain gross

The biggest runts of all are people who wear 'normal people scare me' shirts.

>>68034966
a single mum with a half-black baby

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>>68034898
do a cummy in my tummy

>>68034996
absolute reddit tier humour

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>>68034869
What went wrong?

>>68034966
germans

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Hello neatos.

Can some one please explain me the grade system in the UK?

This whole
>1
>2:1
>2:2
Is really confusing me. I've seen people saying it depends on the college you graduated from?

>>68034966
Girls named Stacey or Karen

>>68034975
piss poor excuse

barely anyone has HIV anymore and if she did you would only be at risk if you did something stupid anyway

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This site's days are numbered for us lads.

Mummy May is gonna block it to protect the children from porn and everyone with history accessing this site (thanks to the Investigatory Powers Bill passed today) will be under extra survelliance.

Isn't it great!?

>>68034708
ESS JAY DUBBLE YOOS

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>>68035077
I'll miss you x

>>68035046
that's for degrees
a 1st degree is really good
a 2:1 is alright
a 2:2 is mediocre
and a 3 is shit

>>68035077
Tor
infinitechan

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>>68034906
t. looking after Abdul's kid

>>68035077
BUT THE TERRORISTS

GOT NOTHING TO HIDE

xxx

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F

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ah yes

might just go to the ol chalet in the alps

>>68035077
>We /gchq/ now
Feels good, but someone has to show these gchq lads how to craft proper gimmicks

>>68035077
might emigrate to mumsnet and do some single mum roleplay

>>68034966
bitter virgin

>>68035046
1st = 70% average = A
2nd, 1st class = 2:1 = 60% avg = B
2nd, 2nd class = 2:2 = 50% avg = C
3rd = 40% avg = D

If you fail to reach a 40% average mark across all units you can e offered a non-Honours (ordinary) degree. Which is worth nothing, you'd be better off dropping out. Seriously. You also get one of these if you get a good average grade but don't complete a dissertation or equivalent.

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>>68035112
Yes, but can you give the equivalent percentages? Or does that change from college to college?

>>68034975
you can't get hiv from having sex with girls, you can only get it from being bummed

Got called a chubby best mate in the birthing room lads

Ring around the Rosy
Pocket full of Josies
Aisha, aisha
We all fall in love

>>68035122
> Tor

Literally telling GCHQ "hey look at me!

> infinitechan

That will be blocked too. Anyway website that has adult material that doesn't have age verification will be blocked.

>>68035077
>tfw /eire/ takes over /brit/

Alright GCHQ lads

look I'm gonna be honest with you, you're not gonna find much in my internet history I'm a pretty boring guy

I'm into vanilla boy girl porn and I subscribe to netflix so I've no need for download illegal media

>Work in a call centre
>One lad put some MDMA in his orange juice
>Found out on girl travelled 3 hours to meet someone at the second centre for sex

Lots of laughs.

>>68035156
meet me round the lake at night x

>>68035212
>australian education

>>68035238
Yeah, like how they blocked piratebay.....

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>>68035185
Thanks bro!

Are those percentages a standard to all college degrees?

>>68035238
>That will be blocked too. Anyway website that has adult material that doesn't have age verification will be blocked.
they're not going to block things so willy nilly, it doesn't benefit anyone

>>68035238
>basing this off one guardian article about what 'could' happen
You've been meem'd goy

>>68035251
bring the pingers haha

>>68035262
Yes, which is why people obsess over which uni they went to so much.

Because getting 70% at Manchester Metropolitan and 70% at Oxford are both a 1st class Honours degree. But getting it at ManMet is going to be a fuckload easier.

they are going to block 4chan and there is nothing we can do

this is the end lads

wish david cameron were still in charge

Does the charter mean the governments Internet will be stored too? We're all in this together right

>>68035254
i'm right though

>>68035238
absolute constable state

>identifying with mark or jez
>not with gerrard
FONT

>>68035185
>>68035335

>If you fail to reach a 40% average mark across all units you can e offered a non-Honours (ordinary) degree. Which is worth nothing, you'd be better off dropping out. Seriously. You also get one of these if you get a good average grade but don't complete a dissertation or equivalent.

This completely blows my mind though. Here, you have to repeat the subjects until you get a 50% (at least)

>>68035365
no MPs are exempt to the law because they deal with "sensitive material"

>>68035296
I agree that it is literally impossible to block websites that just display porn. It's not just outright porn sites either. You have Twitter, Reddit etc.

Though our government are tech illiterate retards. They're literally getting ISPs to store internet history for everyone.

This happening months after TalkTalk was hacked by a 17 year old in his bedroom and leaked shit loads of customer data.
Russia is gonna have a fucking field day

>>68035366
no your not

blood, semen, seminal fluids, rectal fluids, vagina fluids and breast milk can all transmit HIV
the hole doesn't matter

>>68035362
>>68035373
>falling for such weak b8
state of you

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3980974/Plane-carrying-72-passengers-including-Brazilian-football-team-crashes-Colombia-reports-say.html

This is the heartbreaking moment a Brazilian footballer found out he was to become a father - just one week before he was killed in the Colombian jet crash.

>>68035424
bet you £50 4chan is blocked by the end of 2017

>>68035423
yes i am

>>68035397
Nah, uni here is expensive. They're quite happy to let you fail or give you the "at least you tried" award

>>68035447
Will gladly take you on
t. Josie Hearn

wait why is the british gov blocking websites with questionable material again?

>>68035427
haha state of his wife, single mum slut, she should just top herself the leech of society

Where does the government draw the line on porn?

I could just go on facebook and ask my non-english friends to send me some porn, that'd bypass all of their dumb fucking filters

>>68035487
Porn is turning our kids into rapists.

the 17yo fwb

>No porn on the internet?
>I better go rape some woman to satisfy my urges
Wake up people!

>>68035487
because theresa may is a vicar's daughter and is completely out of touch with reality
she needs to be deposed really

>how high r u senpai?
>me :
https://a.pomf.cat/xnelyl.webm

>having non english friends
>watching porn
Rasheed

>>68035505
>Where does the government draw the line on porn?

Right over the corona where the glans meets the shaft, if they're anything like the Japanese government.

>>68035546
you could use that argument for legalising CP

>>68035547
>vicar's daughter
>billionaire's wife
>prime minister of a mid-level country

Not done bad. You know, for a girl

>>68035566
sorry not all of us can get girlfriends to satisfy our sexual urges

>>68035589
Don't get any ideas, mate

>>68035558
virus do not click

downloading as much porn as I can before the ban comes in

>>68035558
virus do not click

>>68035589
no because CP requires children to make and they can't consent to the acts portrayed in it

you can HOWEVER make that argument for handdrawn CP

>>68035238
>Tor
>Literally telling GCHQ "hey look at me!

Yeah in the same way that closing the curtains makes people come and try to peer into your windows. They still can't see what you're doing inside.

Doing as many google searches as a I can for Theresa May's tits so when she looks at my history she knows I'm a proper lad.

>>68035447
Bet you £100 it's not

manga lads, is shamo good?

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nobody has any idea what the fuck this man actually did, do they?

>le happy hipster cigar man

>>68034144
19
drive
share a car with the gf init

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I feel for Reece.

>>68035696
NONE OF IT IS GOOD

The gf and I cucked each other on the weekend

we were out in the town having a drink-up and came across another drunk couple

i kissed the girl, my gf kissed the guy, my gf kissed the girl, i kissed the guy, then i kissed the gf and the other couple kissed

feeling very modern

>>68035764
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qimiWfZAtXw

>>68035703
No

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>worrying about the government

They're so fucking inept they can't even block the Pirate Bay

Britain 2020

>Porn becomes a scarce commodity
>People who possess porn are mugged for their precious porn storage devices
>Rape runs rampant and the police is overwhelmed

Daily reminder that socially conservative views in men are negatively correlated with intelligence, social connectedness and physical attractiveness

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@68035764

>>68035764
kekd

>>68035077
Why would going on 4chan put you under surveillance? This site isn't specifically for anything illegal. You might get in trouble if you go on the cartoon porn boards all the time.

Reminder that there is a yank on holiday here posting anti-britain stuff in these threads with a british flag on his posts

>>68035805
I'd rather be dumb than a cuck

>>68035739
whats his job?

manager at JJB?

My girlfriend sung me a song

https://youtu.be/Z1bGYdyQX8c

>Jessica Ennis-Hill to be awarded 2011 world heptathlon gold after CAS announced Russia's Tatyana Chernova stripped of title due to doping

GO 'ED ARE JESS

>>68035805
political views don't correlate with intelligence

try again

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>>68035153

>>68035805
correlation doesn't mean causation

>>68035838
Jaguar Land Rover plant in Solihull

>>68035829
>going on holiday to the UK

fucking howling. I enjoyed my time there sure, but would rather be in nearly every other western europe country for holiday than the UK

>>68034144
21 i both drive and ride a motorcycle

Although im losing my licence for speeding for 3 months lel

trying to only hold opinions that are shared by intelligent people according to studies. might catch a bit of the smarts haha

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>>68035795
>a hypothetical article in the guardian gets spammed here for a few days
>all the plebs suddenly believe it is actually happening tomorrow

>>68035894
Solihull mentioned

huge party in hackney this weekend lads who wanna get in

>>68035764
don't think that's actually cucking tbf

fair play though, sounds like you have a fun relationship

Why do the croats and serbs hate each other?

>>68035805
t. London tranny cuck

Are there any lads who work in the government here? All of /brit/ will be on a watch list no doubt.

>>68035739
rutn life

would top myself without a second thought

>>68035961
The same reason you hate proddies, because everyone is a spastic except me.

>>68035961
the balkan war

>>68035874
Amusing

who /chesnoid/

>>68035897
Good news, the less fat retarded yanks here the better

>>68035961
religion

>>68035874
>can't put it down
Put what down? The toilet seat?

>>68035964
no but have a m8 who works at the food standards agency

he will be able to see how much of a degen i am now

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Yanks? No thanks.

>>68035805
so is being a nigger

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>see a group of yank tourists in york
>it's a bunch of black men and blonde lefty bints stood in the middle of a cobblestone street blocking it while they try to figure out directions

>>68036019
Slang for "getting it on" or "intercourse"

not a fan of this radical centrist gimmick lads

>>68035964
There are at least three guys that post here that either work in Westminster/security services

Thinking of becoming a masochist, anyone know of any good sadists?

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>>68036042
Probably autism induced hypersensitivity >>68036064
>>85258160_Warren_Allott_Daily_Telegraph__Commission_May0067195__Publication_Daily_Telegraph_Secti-xlarge_trans++CjWi45DX1ptcMBvOy6PVucB-sUSW_HSA3KZvrbT_B5o.jpg

>>68036006
>Yanks
>Retarded
>leaders in science
>leaders in tech
>largest economy
>most powerful country

Ah yes, so retarded!!!!

>>68036091
Cool, maybe one of them can tell us how we're all going to be sodomised in prison for posting on here.

yank tourist in the metro this summer wearing cargo shorts and those daft sunglasses while chugging on his 1 liter fanta bottle

Daily reminder that homosexuals have higher average intelligence.

>>68036080
get out

/brit/ is a radical centrist general now

>>68036129
I wouldn't mind, just as long as I can share a cell with you.

>>68036072
>Yank tourists
>York

Literally no. No one would pay thousands of dollars to visit fucking york hahahahahahahh

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wish I was a tribal tb h

want to die

>>68036131
Which sunglasses?

>>68036116
Accidentally double clicked that text right before the post timer was done

>>68035805

t. half black spongehead

>>68036131
this is reasonably accurate

There will come a time when China's GDP overtakes America, and then they will be done as a nation. I think the only thing holding their culture together is that they can chant USA USA USA and still feel #1 because they are actually the richest nation.

>>68036129
>the prisons are overflowing Ms Prime Minister, what should we do?
>let's lock up any one who is caught browsing a chinese cartoon image board
Ah excellent

>>68036123
>imported talent

ah yes, the american way

>>68036162
great bantz here lads

>>68036123
Poo in loos and other imported foreigners run your science and tech industries, as well as the majority of your other industries

You have to import smart foreigners because yanks are retarded, sorry to break it to you

>most powerful country
>israel & china's bitch
o i am laffin m8

>>68036167
aviators
lad also looked like he just walked out of a furnace, was red as fuck
sun wasn't even that hard that day

>>68036207
anarcho tyranny

>>68036204
pleb post

china's institutions are too extractive

>be me last year
>Upper sixth at school
>Hear there's some kind of Swedish exchange programme or whatever going on
>Whole bunch of them in the common room
>Literally half of them black/mixed race
>Mutter "they dont look very swedish to me" to someone
>Get a glare
Howling at the state of everything

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I'm actually a central radicalist

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>>68035988

his life is immensely superior to yours

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Not even being funny in saying that I could actually knock out anyone ITT

>>68036265
fuck off underage

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>>68036265
It has become quite extreme

>>68036159
Apart from retarded yanks hahahahahahahaa

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Is it cancer, lads?

>>68036265
i can assure you, nobody cares

>>68036224
not one thing in this post is accurate. nice try.

Most of our unis and largest tech and science companies were founded by and filled with a majority of american born citizens. keep trying.

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>>68036297
Fat cunt

Tfw y fopt q and bioly like a brick eihousr
Reels oof kjowing that f eveyon in h8e yhrad was put ib a ct4 8 eoulr geniinlu b ge laet mn rtanfing
I cany help vut cuicklr ehrn o drr.all tj4 mug loytpr oyete you students ans neets make knit 5hwt i could pit wah and evry one pf you in gh ground if iy camryo a oyd8xap wltrtxw5oon

Right bollocks to you lot, I'm going to play Watch Dogs 2

really cringy reading runts trying to slag off the US

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i NEED it

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>yank tourist ask me for directions
>heard his yank accent so pretend I don't talk english

>>68036379
so LEASE it

>>68036260
the chinese are superior to europeans

>>68036359
sorry i don't speak Scottish

>>68036319
yes
carve it out with a kitchen knife

Texas bringing the banter

>>68036379
>needing any material posessions
Good goy

>>68036332
>not one thing in this post is accurate
Must be nice being so naive. Or maybe you know the truth but are just pretending otherwise in the typical deluded yank way

should I do dominos two for tuesday?

y/n?

>>68036445
ah what a counter point!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHOAAAAA SO SMART!!!!!!!!

>>68036392
>so beta Pierre can't even tell a tourist to fuck off and has to play passive-aggressive games just to cope

jyj

>>68036293
The exact moment I start wearing makeup and plucking my eyebrows I will pay a highly trained assassin to land a decimating blow to my bollocks so hard that I am sent into space and reach light speeds

>>68036465
stop screaming you mong

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Sapphire chan is kawaii!

>>68036492
>>68036492
>>68036492

>>68036462
i'll do you two for tuesday

>>68036397
And especially superior to Americans, China already owns at least half their country

>>68036472
why would I tell a tourist to "fuck off"
what type of education did you have mate

>>68036314
Eh.Isn't the actual point to make them act like swedes or whatever aka whypypo.

I imagine adopting children from Ngieria or whatever god forsaken land and raising them by
eruopean values or whatever is going to make them decent citizens ,no?

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wow, goosebumps

>An average of 12 travellers have died each year since the year 2000
Stop dying on our country god dammit!

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jf no

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>>68036499

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thinking about getting this outfit

thoughts?

>>68036521
some of them yeah

depends how far removed they are from the endz

what did janny mean by this >>68036499

QUICKDRAW

>>68036489
FUCK OFF TEXAS

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>>68036499

>>68036364
It's as if Germans will literally cuck themselves to any one, like bending over is a national pass time

>>68036588
Bender

>>68036521
yeah they are
everything relies on education mate

This runt from Texas is riling me, going to put him out of business

how do dashcams work? won't they get full after 1 drive?