>Americans sharing this unironically God, I hate my country.

>>67669246
This is the norm. I regret that 8 years ago I went studying to be a lawyer. Better to go to serve in the Navy.

>>67669246
I served for 8 years, fuck serving alongside people that did not volunteer to be there.

I wish conscription were a thing so that I could do something respectable with my life. I'm too pussy to do it out of choice

I actually think this is a good idea for you yanks. Might turn you less jingoistic and might kill the "soldiers are literal heros" idea.

>>67669678
>Might turn you less jingoistic
Lol fuck no

>>67669678
might make them lose weight too

Why do you hate our mercenary army?

nobody else will really care if americans go with it

>>67669713
yeah

now that I think about it it's better if they don't do it, I like my yanks fat and naive

>land of the free
>"patriots" want a forced military
Topkek America
I also hate my country

Conscription only works in countries that never fight any wars and Russia.

>>67669246
DO YOU SUCK DICKS ANON?

>>67669246
freedom of speech bro
fuckin stupid speech, but still

they forget about their wights tho

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I'm OK with so long as it only applies to immigrants.

Want to be an American? Come fight for us for 4 years. Then you're in.

It worked for Rome.

>>67669597
But why would you want to be on a rustbucket Russian ship tho

>>67669246
there's literally nothing wrong with instilling survival & defense skills, along with a sense of civic/national solidarity. and this is coming from a life-long progressive liberal.

>>67669818
Freedom is fake.

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I'd be okay with that.

>>67669944
>It worked for Rome.
Remind me again how Rome fell?

>>67669944
Pretty sure it should apply to everyone who wants full citizenship. Just because your mother gave birth here doesn't mean you've done jack shit for this country

>>67670104
You got him there.

let's change the premise a bit, what if it was 2 years in the national guard

>>67670104

It lasted over 500 years. And Brasil?

>>67669246
>it ain't me starts playing

>>67670158
That would work if the USA did not deploy the national guard to warzones.

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>>67670261
We're getting there

Yes military service is fun. :^)
You get to sleep in rusty 1960s beds in a room together with 20 others.
You can experience nature in exciting 48hour combat simulations.
And you can learn how to use guns civilians aren't allowed to own anyway.

What a waste of my lifetime...

>>67670004
ur mom's fake

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>>67669246
I'd say we do the same deal as in WWII, you guys go fight and we pacifist mexicans we'll take care of things home.

Don't fall for the mandatory consctiption builds character meme

Israel would be Scandi tier if we didn't have mandatory service.

>>67670581
Explain your reasoning breh

>>67669246

are you a fucking pussy anon?

>>67670581
>Israel would be Scandi tier if we didn't have mandatory service.
No you would be an Arab hellhole with food shortages every 5 years, Israelis NEED conscription to keep their country alive.

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>Conscription for 2 years, no exceptions

What a hilarious meme

>>67669246
I think the point of the image macro isn't to make conscription forced, it's that if everyone was conscripted they'd want to give a shit about veteran benefits. The way veteran's are treated in America is pretty horrible for what is supposedly a very patriotic nation.

>>67669822
>Conscription only works in countries that never fight any wars and Russia.

Willing soldiers beat conscripted soldiers pretty hard so I can see why nations that fit your description so it (they have to come up with a meme force that ultimately won't amount to much).

>>67670734
Arabs can't fight for shit.
Israel already has enough willing fighters.

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>2 years
Good luck with trying to find anyone to actually go through that bullshit

>>67671078
>veteran's "benefits".

Getting a disability pretty much fucks you hard. Especially if you did a trade while in the forces. not to mention the high amount of unemployment and physical/mental issues post duty.

>>67669713
>>67669787
I literally rather fucking die from eating a AIDS infect porcupine than do that.

>>67669246
>God, I hate my country.
Yet you expect to receive the same rights and privileges as those who have served their country?
Yeah, "Ironic"

>>67669246
>>67669678
Nah, all it'd do is create more draft dodgers tbqh, just like Vietnam.

It does seem a bit odd that we are so gun obsessed but oppose conscription.
It wouldn't be horrible if we were properly trained for our favorite hobby.
Still wouldn't want to do it though.

>believe in the rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness
>believe that the government should be able to take away your liberty and pursuit of happiness (and possibly life) for mandatory military service

Pick one you authoritarian fucks

>>67671576
It's really about freedom, as stereotypical as it sounds. Mandatory military service, much like mandatory anything except at most taxes and occasionally jury duty, is Unamerican, and we do somewhat idolize military service. Basically it boils down to "you should, but shouldn't have to."

>>67669246
I disagree because conscription is literally slavery where I'm expected to put down my life if need be.

>>67671604
You guys are entering a third Bush jr. term. I remember this stuff was all over the place back then.

We've only ever used the draft in five conflicts (Civil War, WW1, WW2, Korean War, and Vietnam), and in all of them except for WW2 there was large opposition and resistance to it.

We've had conscription several times in US history and aside from WWII, it nearly always turned into a case of "jam the square peg in the round hole".

>>67670507
Pedro, don't forget to water the tomatoes and olives, or your economy will collapse.

the large conscription army is one of the main reasons why yugoslav economy went to shit after 1960s

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>>67669960
To sink American ships!

>>67670137
Oh, you do a lot by arguing with teenagers on obscure internet websites.

>>67671959
It wasn't much of an economy in the first place then considering conscription is the cheapest form of army there is aside from having no army at all.

>>67671959
Forced labour in Uzibekistan fucks up it's economy hard. Life just stops when the government is like "everyone pick cotton". On top of that there's on need to upgrade equipment or get new modern tech because you have a labour pool of forced folk to do it (many kids)

>>67672123
They do this every ~September I think.

>>67672105
having 800.000 conscripted soldiers doesn't sound cheap to me t b h

>>67672180
800k conscripts that are paid peanuts are cheaper than 100k professionals that will get be paid more and claim benefits for life.

>>67672180
>don't pay them salary
>feed them cheap shit
>make them do all the menial labor
>no money for vacation so vacation unnecessary
>if they refuse take them behind the outhouse and shoot them
Cheap as fuck.

>>67672244
800k conscripts that aren't really eager and willing.

Moral goes a very long way.

>>67672244
>>67672352
huh it seems that yugoslav conscription was a bit different than the one in the west

>>67672468
Did you actually pay your conscripts? Lol. We don't pay ours even now.

>>67672521
yeah, people also tell stories about the quality of food and equipment there. manual labor was also mostly reserved for civilian volunteers (youth actions and so on)

Conscription was so widely detested here that Jimmy Carter was pressured into granting amnesty to all the draft dodgers in Canada.

>>67672460
>Moral goes a very long way.
Towards what? The quality of the potato peeling?

>>67672556
That does sound inefficient as fuck - high number of unmotivated conscripts that waste as much money as proper soldiers.

>>67672598
the conscripts almost forced yugoslavia into war with italy (and whole nato for that matter) in 1947 over fucking trieste

>>67672564
>Start wars
>Get mad when soldiers get recruited for them

????

>>67672641
Do you people ever not want bloodshed?

>>67670581
Conscription USUALLY builds character, but there's always some asshats who can't be helped. It works for the majority.
We have conscription too, I don't see how you would be on our level if you got rid of it.

>>67672660
a) Vietnam was a highly unpopular war among the people, both because Vietnam wasn't a direct threat to the US and because it happened while the whole hippy thing was going on. Remember, the US Government doesn't necessarily exactly align with Americans.
b) There is a big difference between recruitment and conscription. As said earlier ITT, conscription other than for WW2 has always encountered significant resistance among the American public, and the majority of our wars have been fought entirely with volunteers.

>>67672698
the top god of the serbs was dažbog, slavic god of death and darkness, so make your own conclusion

I am morbidly obese.
If they tried to force me into military service, would they force me to not be fat or would they just feel silly trying to make me do PT?

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>>67672810
Why do clapistanis always take the fucking bait

are you guys completely retarded?

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>>67669246
>tfw just remembered that you elected trump into office and anything is possible

>>67672846
Depends on how motivated your drill sergeant is. A good sarge can do fucking miracles. We had a dude in my regiment who was about 125kg when he was conscripted, he lost more than 30kg in three months.

>>67672877
We don't need conscription for fighting because we do it well enough voluntarily. Same thing with baiting.

>>67672897
What I'm saying though is what if I don't want to willingly lose weight? If I just continued to eat enough to maintain a large size, what would they do about it?

>>67672880
True, although I don't see what wars he could cause, especially those serious enough to warrant a return of conscription.

>>67672751
We have conscription too. The saying is "the army fix nobody" is a constant here. Heard a lot of colonels saying the great qualities the army inputs into the conscripts and heard way more privates saying it does not change anything in the person. I tend to believe the ones that used to be conscripts more than the ones dealing with inside politics.

What I saw in our army is that the ones that are hardworking by nature keep being hardworking. The ones that aren't work hard when ordered and avoid work when no one is noticing.

Probably Norway treats conscripts like human being instead of cheap labor that cannot refuse work like in Brazil, Russia, etc, so your views might be different than mine.

>>67670410
what has never risen
can never fall

>>67672951
>implying the size of your rations and the time you have to eat them isn't limited
Kek. If a conscript isn't hungry and deathly tired at all times during his training it means that his drill sergeant is slacking off.

>>67673005
>What I saw in our army is that the ones that are hardworking by nature keep being hardworking. The ones that aren't work hard when ordered and avoid work when no one is noticing.
This. Those who want to fight in a war will enlist. Those who don't will find a way to escape the draft, either legally (deliberately failing aptitude/physical tests) or not-so-legally (overstaying a visit to Canada)

>>67669246
>God, I hate my country.
kys

>>67673041
>rations
Do they not have stores in military bases in Russia?

conscription isnt that outrageous, dont be so dramatic

>>67673306
Mine did, but getting there for a fresh conscript was pretty much impossible. After finishing basic training you got to go there a couple times a week, if you didn't fuck up of course, after half a year of service (and old draft leaving home) it was free game.

>>67673005
What people in first world countries and superior nordic countries mean by building character in the context of conscription is increasing stress tolerance, teaching basic independent life management, learning how to deal with tedious and unpleasant situations, increased social interaction and physical fitness.

Arguably in third world countries all these things come naturally to everyone just by living in a third world country so from that angle it's completely useless to them.

>>67669246
I don't think it should necessarily be military service, but I'm ok with 2 years of some kind of service to qualify to vote and participate in a comprehensive welfare program.

>>67669713
You've never met a US military veteran. There's plenty of them from the south.

>>67669246
>have epilepsy
>when WW3 breaks out I won't be conscripted

Feels pretty good, I'll shitpost with you all while you die in the mud

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>>67673674
>implying handicaps won't be made to walk in front and stamp the mines

National service should be introduced to the UK for anyone not in work, training or learning.

>>67669246
As much as I would hate it, it would probably do a lot of good for the country. Look at South Korea or Finland.

>>67670004
Free will is amyth.Religion is a joke. We are all pawns, controlled by something greater.

>>67674318
MEEEEEMS

>>67673571
You don't need conscription to do that and that's just subpar parenting to dump that on the state to do it.

>>67673573
> I'm ok with 2 years of some kind of service to qualify to vote and participate in a comprehensive welfare program.

That's a stupid idea though.

>>67672568
800k willing soldiers getting paid outperform conscripts.
That's why militarizes that have money problems tend to have corruption or shitty soldiers.

>>67669246
they'll probably put more thought into who they vote for if this were the norm

>>67671752
americans were very opposed to joining WWII until pearl harbor. which happened because you froze most of japan's assets, so they had 2 choices: bend the knee or attack.

your elite wanted the war and they needed pearl harbor to get the people behind them.

>>67674548
It's just an added benefit you numbnuts. The primary objective of armed services is still to keep a large reserve of trained soldiers in case russians decide that the grand duchy should once again join the motherland.

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>>67674318

Good goy, come to die for Israel.

>>67669246
It might be beneficial, but I tend to believe it will end up like forced community service. Just makes people less enthusiastic about it all.
It does make a good argument over veteran's benefits, but then again that would just make things more costly, and force us to up our already overrun military budget.

Modern army is Mechanized/Motorised. 2 years service is literally short.

>>67669246
if I was forced to serve in the military I'd just kill my entire platoon or whatever it's called and then kill myself

>>67675304
Veteran's benefits isn't a fucking issue. Just pay the guys. It's like what is up with America and people completely disregarding logic?

I'd say so

The numale epidemic wouldn't be a thing if this happened.

>>67670410

> not even a world power

Brilliant idea to fill your military with people who don't want to be there. What could possibly go wrong.

>>67677273

They have budget problem, paying them isn't easy when they can barely fulfill the current budgetary requirements.

They spend half their money on active military even when it's unneeded by their own Generals admission solely to kepe the high budget status quo going.

They have the highest amount of per capita tax money spend on healthcare in the world despite not having any form of social healthcare beyond old age shit.

>serve 2 years
>be veteran
What

>Civil War
>most conscripts are criminals, mentally ill, and people with physical deformities

>WWI
>leftists encourage people to dodge the draft

>Vietnam
>no further explanation needed

>>67677621
And you are a le manly men i suppose?

>>67669246
You stupid fatfuck Americans cant work as military. You fats cant even train.

Wtf are these stupid Alt-right fatfucks mentally ill pollutional delusions.

The Alt-rights are truly are Netouyos. Fucking socially inept losers.

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>>67669246
>Yes, including the offspring of every politician
>children of politicians are treated differently in a democracy

>>67680485
Just a CCR-level cynic, I guess.

>>67676858
>Americans
>shooting anything but unarmed innocent people
hahaha, yeah sure lad

>>67669246
This ain't YOUR country then, and feel free to fuck off to Mexico you un-American commie scum.