what do you think of aztecs?

>wearing a bird suit

>>67295794
Cortez and friends didn't actually tear all that down overnight, did they? That's just a historical hyperbole, isn't it? It must have happened more gradually.

>>67296394
cortez wrote it all down, most likely it was just a regular city that was very primitive and he wanted to make himself look glorious.

>>67295794
WE WUZ

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>>67296565
More like tore it down, didn't bother to clean the rubble and built all over it. That's why they keep finding shit like pic related when expanding modern Mexico City

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>>67296565
he conquered it with like 500 people after all.

>>67296650
yes, very primitive things.

>>67296565
It wasn't, it was a massive city
>>67296394
Months of siege and inner rebellions burned it, later the spaniards dried out the canals, even until 100 years ago some streets of the center were canals, and in the 70s the remaining rivers of the city dried out with the exception of Xochimilco

>>67295794
Don't know much about the Aztecs but your country's flag is sexy as hell and I have cousins from there.

>>67296664
>American education
He had thousands of Indians backing him, because they hated the aztecs

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>>67296565
The temples are all there though. They're well known archaeological sites.

>>67296565
>>67296628
>>67296664
>>67296699
>>67296736
Do American schools even teach anything about the Aztecs at all?

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literally nothing here, stone age shit.

The Löwenmensch figurine from the Swabian Alps in Germany is the oldest known statue in the world, and dates to 30,000-40,000 years ago.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lion-man

>>67296842
>Teotihuacan
>"Aztec ruins"
American education

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aztecs shit was in the 1400s
this colosseum was from like 100bc.

>>67297098
Wow the American education doesn't even cover the hundreds of years of difference between settlements on Europe and the americas
Truly the most expensive system on earth dog bless

Think this mexican has a bit of a chip on his shoulder lads.

>want to have rational discussions
>see flags
>usa flags
Nothing to do here

>>67295794
Meso-America was unironically a nascent civilisation before the Spaniards chimped out on then and made them Mexicans.

>>67298108
>nascent
>1500ad
>stones
>stones

>>67295839
still better than human skin

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This is some Canada tier shitposting US.
Very disappointed of you guys

Savage spics that cut peoples heads off.

>>67297098
100 AD*

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Wish they were still around, imagine all the culture.. imagine a shining city of stone temples alongside skyscrapers in the middle of the lake. Imagine if their religion fought off Spain and like Japan's shinto, folk worship was still the norm

Imagine instead of bland names like Jose we had awesome Nahuatl names

And fuck Spain for raping my ancestors and culture, I'd rather be pure Aztec than just some colonial halfie

>>67295794
I don't like civilisations that performs human sacrifices in a massive scale.

>>67302930
God the horror

>>67296809
Unfortunately not much. Not their history, more like an overview of Incas, Mayans and Aztecs like "They had temples that looked like this, calendars like this, dressed like this". The culture is taught but not any history of their origins or dates. American history education after the bronze age is painfully Eurocentric. Aztecs and Incas are only relevant when Spain is conquering them, likewise we only start learning about Black Africa (aside from Black History Month) when Europeans get involved, nothing before Mansa Musa. Same with India, aside from the two religions spawned there, it's a void of information from the Indus Valley people up till Europeans conquered it.

We hvae to take 3 years of a language though and if you take Spanish you have to learn Latin American history and pick a country to do a boring history report on. No offense, but European/Ancient history is just a lot more interesting than Honduran etc.

Don't know why the other American is shitposting so much, I have no clue why anyone here would have such strong feelings about Mexican history

>>67296565
trollop retard

>>67295794
what a horrible fucking thread

Sage

>>67296394
>>67296565
>>67296702
/int/ told me spanish allied natives tore down the temples because it was standard practice to do so
c/d?

>>67302930
There is no greater argument against race-mixing than modern-day Central America.

>>67307208
Yeah, kinda. Temples were burned, but the pyramids remained since they were strategical structures for defensive, religious and astronomical purposes.

>>67296565
>cortez wrote it all down

>"Our astonishment was indeed raised to the highest pitch, and we could not help remarking to each other, that all these buildings resembled the fairy castles we read of in Amadis de Gaul; so high, majestic, and splendid did the temples, towers, and houses of the town, all built of massive stone and lime, rise up out of the midst of the lake. Indeed, many of our men asked if what they saw was a mere dream. And the reader must not feel surprised at the manner in which I have expressed myself, for it is impossible to speak coolly of things which we had never seen nor heard of, nor even could have dreamt of, beforehand."

-Bernal Díaz del Castillo

They were doing in public what they do now in private circles.

Killing infants, drinking their blood, eating their limbs.
Some people are still doing it during rituals, you need to be aware of this fact.

ERAMOS DIOSES Y REYES Y MIERDA

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>>67296394
2 years its quite close honestly

>>67296664
he started with approximately 500 men that's for sure

>>67310154

>every spanish colony

>>67295794
Pretty much barbaric, but beautiful civilization. Always thought it was a shame that mis hermanos wrecked them so much..

Really wish I could go back and time and visit the Aztecs, Mayas and Inca greatest cities in their prime. /sigh

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>>67296736
Let's not continue with this black legend, the Tlaxcaltecs were Nahuas themselves, of the same ethnicity, culture and religion. All Mesoamericans performed human sacrifice, the sole exception being the Chichimeca peoples in the northern fringe

>>67297098
Yes, there were Olmecs in Mexico at that time doing relatively advanced stuff like pictured

>>67303280
>Unfortunately not much. Not their history, more like an overview of Incas, Mayans and Aztecs like "They had temples that looked like this, calendars like this, dressed like this". The culture is taught but not any history of their origins or dates. American history education after the bronze age is painfully Eurocentric. Aztecs and Incas are only relevant when Spain is conquering them, likewise we only start learning about Black Africa (aside from Black History Month) when Europeans get involved, nothing before Mansa Musa. Same with India, aside from the two religions spawned there, it's a void of information from the Indus Valley people up till Europeans conquered it.
Wow that's dumb...

>>67302930
So it's Mexicans on one side, and at least three of those are fantasy and not Mexicans in the other, three are definitively not Mexicans in the Americas now bit, plus the priest is a guy using a doll for a protest.

Seriously

>>67295839
>not wearing one
no depiction can make justice to their attires desu

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>>67312029
forgot pic

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>>67311882
;_;

Savages, human sacrifices of their own people.

>>67295839
>He doesn't dress in jaguar skin, and hunt down people for sacrifice.
Typical Eurocuck

>>67297098
Amerindians didn't exactly have the same benefits that old worlders did.
Lack of easily available iron for example. Also the lack of easily domesticatable animals sans the Llama.

>>67312100
You do realize this is 500 years ago

>>67295794
Shouldnt have fucked with Europe.

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>>67297098
Pic related is from the Mayans roughly the same time and it's half as tall as La Danta, which might be the tallest structure prior to the industrial age (archaelogical researches of the site are still ongoing, but the place it's as expensive as 20 average sites).

>>67312320
A lesson you learned twice.

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>>67312345
and here's the biggest structure in the world up to this day

>>67312373
It's insane how many huge structures and full blown cites are still totally buried in the jungle down there unexplored.

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>>67297098
200 BC

>Moctezuma had a brother named Huehue

Brazilians confirmed to be Aztecs.

>>67302930
I'm half Asian, people call me Asian, I speak an Asian language and identify with Buddhism

I don't see why Meztizos can't do the same. Especially given that this is literally America, not Europe

>>67312640
Implying Mexicans and Mayans are the same

Kek

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>>67295794
i was really hoping OP pic was a minecraft version of Tenochtitlan

>>67313216
I have Mayan blood or whatever survives from them nowadays.
t. South Mexican

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>>67302930
>Imagine if their religion fought off Spain and like Japan's shinto
It did, but sadly they weren't two oceans away from europe or protected by sea as japan is, nor they were close to the chinese and their technology neither literally taught how to produce firearms by friendly portuguese explorers.
On top of that they were suddenly exposed to all the old world plagues and epidemics. A shame desu

>>67313244
Then you are as Mexican as Kurds are Turkish

>>67313471
t. mexicopro

>>67313471
Mayans are the second largest group after Nahuas (Aztecs) in Mexico, we've got literally dozens of different nations

>>67313471
>Let me tell you about your country.
sure lad

>>67313527
>>67313557
>>67313564

What did the Aztecs call themselves?

Mexica

What did they call their land?

Mexico

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>>67313471
There are fuckloads of Mayas in Mexico still. The entire south east corner of the country is still Maya majority.

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>>67313615
The name was given by our independists since they wanted a centralist republic and Mexico City was the capital of New Spain.

>>67313615
The Aztecs had an empire, they ruled over many different peoples

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>>67313654
proud purepecha here!

>>67295794
Why did they build in the middle of a lake? Isn't that just asking to be flooded?

>>67313654
But didn't they go extinct?

>>67297098
They were in different worlds and different time periods. Not fair to judge them as contemporaries.

>>67315166
>Why did they build in the middle of a lake?
the Aztecs(after being kicked out of a kingdom to the north) wandered for weeks, searching for a place to settle. Huitzilopochtli(their war god) appeared to the Mexica leaders and indicated a place where a great eagle was perched on a cactus killing a snake. This place, smack dab in the middle of a marsh with no proper ground at all, was where the Mexica founded their capital.

>>67315183
thousands of Maya still live in Mexico, as well as Guatemala, El Salvador, and Honduras. Today the Mayan people are estimate to number over 7 million.

if you wonder about the Nahuan peoples(the people Mexica belong to) they actaully make up the bulk of mestizos in Mexico. it would not be exaggerating to say most Mexicans have Nahuan blood

>>67315166
>>67315183
>>67315283
>thousands of Maya still live in Mexico
by this I meant actual full blooded Mayas, as for all people with Mayan blood, like i said, over 7mil.

We learned about the Aztecs in school. We did a whole unit on them

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>>67315183
No. The eastern Maya kingdoms collapsed into anarchy in the 12 century, maybe that's what you're thinking of? There's literally millions of Mayan in Mexico. The work in factories and lynch drug dealers in rural villages.

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>>67315332
>some random Canadian learned more about the Aztecs than my Mexican ass did in 12 years of "American Education"

>>67315372
I don't know about the rest of the US, but in California we learned about Amerindians as a whole in elementary school, then learned specifically about American Indians, Aztecs/Mayas and Incas/South American Natives in three separate units in high school.

>>67315436
what a fucking load. I always knew I was indigenous, but never knew shit about my people(or who my people even where) until I got interested in history during high school. Even then everything I learned was all self taught.

did you ever learn about Canadian native like the Cree?

>>67315436
that's base af. Most of my knowledge about Mayan history comes from books I've read.
And they are in fact written by British or American scholars most of the time, we just learn the basic, the history periods and main cultures in primary school, the languages and territorial extent in middle school and almost nothing but their interaction with Spaniards during Highschool.
We learned about Amerindian cultures very early and that's the main problem

what's your average Mexican's opinion on La Malinche

>>67315658
>La Malinche
cunt with a capital K. only person to fuck over Mexico more was Santa Anna.

>>67315551
I would have assumed that most of the education we received would have been from Mexican writers too, but most of the material we got was either American or was written by Brits, Guatemalans and Germans. I went to a magnet school in chicano central where they'd try out new curriculum before implementing it on a wider scale so I don't know to what extent this curriculum is taught outside of Los Angeles, but I know the department head was trying to push for more Pre-Hispanic history state wide as well as more Asian history. I think it's important that this shit be taught. We had an option to learn Maya too but I gave up after the course was over. Still have the textbook.

>>67315498
We did a whole half school year on North American Indians which included Canadian First Nations. Apparently even regarding Natives, Canada isn't considered different than the US.

>>67312100
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:German_cannibals

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>>67315680
>only person to fuck over Mexico more was Carlos Salinas de Gortari

ftfy

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>>67312100

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>>67315722
>German cannibals is it's own category on wiki

>>67315658
Why LA Malinche and not simply Malinche? Is it correct to use articles before proper names in Spanish? As far as I know, it's correct in Portuguese, but never in Spanish.

>>67315551
recomend me some good books

>>67315829
because it's a nickname

>>67295794
Deserved to be nuked.

>>67315786
>people

>>67315719
>regarding Natives, Canada isn't considered different than the US.
damn i though they were better
in my U.S. history class we went from war to war and only mentioned Native Americans ONCE. and that was only because of the natives Lewis and Clark encountered.

interesting historical fact: "The first white men of your people who came to our country were named Lewis and Clark....All the Nez Percés made friends with Lewis and Clark and agreed to let them pass through their country, and never to make war on white men. This promise the Nez Percés have never broken. It has always been the pride of the Nez Percés that they were the friends of the white men." -Chief Joseph

eventually the Nez Perce were forced off their lands when whites found gold in a river. after a long and bloody escape attempt to Canada, the Nez Perce were put on a reservation where many of them died.

one of which was a man named "Day-Time Smoke" who is said to have been the child of William Clark

>>67315778
thanks, i forgot about that cunt. it's his fault my family lost our Farm

>>67315839
Chilam Balam de Chumayel transalated by UNAM
Historia Mínima de México by Colegio de México
Both books by Heather Irene McKillop (they are actually fun to read and have a lot historical context)
Popol Vuh

>>67315283
Then why did all of those 2012 documentaries say they went extinct and predicted the same fate for humanity?

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>>67316014

>>67316014
wich documentaries?

>>67316014
well their main cities fell due to famine, social conflicts and sickness, there's not much mysticism on why societies fall besides the Folklore given by certain narrators.
The cities fell but the different towns remained up until these days. Isolated for most part of Mexico's history and left alone in their uncharted lands.

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>>67316014
goddamn new age hippies.
they learn one fucking thing about the Maya and they get it wrong.

>>67315883
>thanks, i forgot about that cunt. it's his fault my family lost our Farm

NAFTA killed about 70% of Mexican agriculture and almost the entirety of the fledgling Mexican automotive industry. Now it's actually backfiring and reversing.

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>>67316300
but the farm is still gone...

>>67296394
>Manolo and venancio didn't destroy all temples
perhaps they thought they could be some sort of decorative stuff...that or they get tired of tearing eerything down and said: joder hombre, ¿para qué seguir?
>Miiiiiiiiiiiiieeerda

>>67297098
Meanwhile the American natives were making huts and doing drugs.

>>67312100
>Germany 1939
>attempts to kill all jews
>even german jews

Didn't learn much if anything that I remember. My impression is they were far behind on tech compared to Eurasia for obvious reasons and got blown the fuck out once the spaniards came along.

>>67316487
>My impression is they were far behind on tech compared to Eurasia for obvious reasons
true, by he time the Spaniards came along, the natives were living in a time similar to the late bronze age

>>67315778
>salinas de gortari
he is by far the most disgusting treacherous politician this country has ever had, his signature contributed to fuck this place beyond repairing; that agreement destroyed our agriculture, created hordes of unemployed fellas whose offspring are now nogging in burgerland or robbing people here, made the country became more dependent upon US and now it's backfiring because his friends in that party of thieves never invested in anything. i would come at that bastard and allahuackbar myself if i could, motherfucking baldie.

>La Malinche
>turned her back on her own people
>a woman
nothing surprising at all...

>only person to fuck over Mexico more was Carlos Salinas de Gortari
indeed, although spaniards were moving sacks of diseases.

I wonder how different things would be if colombo lander there first instead of that near haiti island with the peaceful natives

>>67316608
The emperor he would have encountered wasn't a bitch like the one Cortez met. And the empire was stronger too.

Cristobal Colon would have got rekt

Technotitan is a pretty badass name for a city.

>>67316863
It's funny hearing people try to pronounce it for the first time

Little do they know it's one of easier words to pronounce. Let's see them try to pronounce "Huitzilopochtli" or "Tzintzuntzan"

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>>67316590
>mfw Trump repealing NAFTA is actually going to end up wiping us from the Mexican industrial supply chain and benefiting Mexico through removal of subsidized US agricultural goods

>>67317006
>and benefiting Mexico through removal of subsidized US agricultural goods
That won't matter since half of all farm land in central Mexico is abandoned or neglected since the people who workedit died of old age or live in the US

>>67317048
Most of that land was vast plots of ejido land divided amongst hand tool using subsistence farmers. Mexico didn't have widespread industrial machine/vehicle dependent farming until the late 80s, right before NAFTA hit. All that furrowed land can be put to much better use now that it can be farmed far more efficiently with a smaller labor base. Even with that all said and done, a revitalized Mexican agricultural sector, even if smaller than before means, a significant number of jobs opening in Mexico.

what's with all these spanish rapebabies defending Aztecs like they're descendants of them? fucking mexicans are literally nothing but a cum rag

>>67317092
I'm half purepecha Indian. My native father actually need with a mostly Spanish woman.

I think Most Mexicans care and think they are descended from the aztecs because they are so well known

>>67317141
>actually need
>>67317092
I meant had me.

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>>67317092
>defending Aztecs like they're descendants of them?

Because the Aztec were pretty cool desu. They literally built a city on a lake.

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>>67317092
My ancestors :')

>>67317089
>tfw the last bit of land we own could still be put to good use
>tfw the man who worked it(grandpa) is dead
>my father is too old
>and I don't know shit about farming
God dammit.

>>67317216
WE WUZ TLATOANI NO XIUHCOATL N SHIT

>>67317226
Literally just hire some poor experienced farmers from Guerrero or something and offer them half the revenue for the first seasons pay off in exchange for land to work. Easy solution. Mayas do this shit in their communities when one party is landless pretty often.

>>67295794
losers

>>67317260
>Literally just hire some poor experienced farmers
One of my uncle's did that on and off for a couple of years. Then he stopped and I think he's planning to sell it all when my grandmother dies.

At least I still have the house my dad built and a small triangle of land my mom owns. I'm actually thinking of buying the little triangle of land next to it(which belongs to my aunt, I don't think she'd mind since her son's are fuck up's) when im older and have substantial money and have my own little thing.