So basically there's going to be no separation between these

>>67135451
probably 9 million

Net immigration from Mexico is negative
The Mexican wave is pretty much over, Central America and China are the new waves

>>67135451
That number's probably reached its peak

>>67135497
>>67135507
Why? America is better than Mexico in basically every way. Once they know there's going to be no consequence for hopping I don't see why more wouldn't

>>67135526
No

>>67135526
There's more work down there.

>>67135526
>America is better than Mexico in basically every way

yeah, for the desperately poor. It's not like Mexico's middle class is trekking across deserts at night with sketch coyotes in order to make a few greenbacks.

The Mexican poor have been doing it for years so the amount illegally in the US has been established and most likely will decrease as economic conditions improve in Mexico

>>67135526
Family
Culture
Patriotism
Not that I expected an Aussie to understand any of these concepts.

>>67135451
nobody is going to USA anymore

>>67135526
>no consequence for hopping I don't see why more wouldn't
but there are consequences, families are teared apart very often and the risk of being strip of what your earned by migration agencies is very latent.
The point where an individual decides to either migrate or not is when the benefit outreaches the risk, and nowadays america is not a pleasant picture compared to how it was in the 90s.
House pricing has skyrocket, unemployment is huge compared to mexico, start up your own business is almost imposible without legal counsel to guide you through the dense bureaucracy, tax is way higher up there.

>>67135526
What >>67135627 said

Anyone who isn't absolutely dirt poor in Mexico has a nice life as long as they're not fucking idiots who get involved with drugs.

>>67135582
>>67135629
>>67135640
>>67135649

What do you Mexicans think should happen to the ones (and central/south Amercians) who are already living in USA illegally?

>>67135678
Its up to the US, not of our bussines

>>67135678
whatever the fuck American citizens want, they are a sovereign country, they don't need to ask us for our permit.

>>67135695
>>67135711
It's still relevant to you since the most prominent option is to send them back to your country. Even if it weren't you can still have an opinion on what a foreign country does

>>67135451
Once Hillary announces general draft, the NEETs will be glad, there is no wall

>>67135809
only people who have strong opinions about illegal migration are families from illegal migrants which are inside the same socio political spectrum (aka poor).
Also, having them back wouldn't be so harsh at the long run since they are used to higher living standards than the rest of the population (lazy assholes won't work for dimes).
Anyways, I believe in the state of law, and I think is ludicrous that illegal migration has reached the numbers we see today.

I watched literally all videos with narcos in Mexico.

My final conclusion is that the wall won't be enough, you have to nuke the whole thing to see an improvement

>>67135933
t. Mesero

>>67135451
Net migration between Mexico and the US has been ~0 for several years.

>>67135526
Mexicans that aren't poor would rather be in Mexico.

There's already over 500 miles of barrier on the border.

>>67135980
I'm not memeing pal. Mexico should be nuked for the sake of all humanity.

why dont we just become 1 country?

>>67136061
don't be so rude :(

>>67136071

whoa whoa whoa there sanchez. That wall may never get constructed but that doesn't mean we're going to become Los Estados Unidos y Méjico

>>67136071
nah fa m, I pass, though army intervention to end up the cartels would be a very nice gesture.

>>67136071
No, fuck you

>>67136124
I want a latina gf!!!!

>>67136071
No, lad I mean, we kinda like you some times, but we need our own space, and free healthcare and universities

>>67136160
Please don't curse at me.

>>67136156
i agree. I frown on fast and furious, but that doesn't mean anything to anyone.

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>>67135451
>Any Canadian that gets caught is immediately deported. Known a few people who didn't even last a month.
>10 million Mexicans not only live in America undocumented but have "Sanctuary cities"

It's not fair.

>>67135678
Do whatever you want to them, to us proper Mexicans they're nothing but people who gave up.

>>67136175
I understand and respect that. It seems to be for the best that we remain separate countries for now.

>>67136124
To be fair their current name is the United Mexican States officially, so it wouldn't be a huge jump.

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>>67136351
>proper mexicans

>>67136439
Chilango detected

>>67136462
Do you know what chilango means?

>>67136462
wut

>>67136071
We'll have some sort of EU tier thing in NA someday.

>>67136477
Fake Mexicans that don't put cheese on their quesadillas

>>67135451
try 12 million

About the same amount nazis killed during the holocaust.

>>67136351
>Mexicans working in the US and sending pesos back to madre
>not proper

>>67136606
truest words haven't been said in /int/

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>>67135627
>The Mexican poor have been doing it for years so the amount illegally in the US has been established and most likely will decrease as economic conditions improve in Mexico
economic conditions improve in Mexico

>economic conditions improve in Mexico

Do you really think this is ever going to happen.

>>67136803
yup p much

>>67136061
Alright edgelord, you can be european, now gtfo

>>67136606
dats rite

>>67136606
>>67136700
Provincianos

>>67136998
CHILANGOS LITERALLY HAVE PINK TAXI CABS

HOW MORE KEKED DO YOU WANT TO BE?

Wait so Mexicans actually have pride in their country?

Why?

>>67137048
Culture and nationalism is formed out of hardship. Americans have neither, or lost both after the civil war because they've been pampered their entire existence. Instead they have entertainment and patriotism.

This is why Australia has culture while Canada doesn't.

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>>67137031
Just because our mayor is gay
Its not our fault!

>>67137127
Americans have a shit tonne of culture and nationalism. What the fuck are you smoking?

>>67135480
this

>>67137048
Mexico is cool m8, Ignore American swine

I want to move to America.

>>67137176
Shit man, do some research before you come on here.

>>67137282
you can argue that americans don't really have our own culture but to say canada doesn't just isn't true.

>>67137127
What's Australian culture? Kangaroo jack and crocodile dundee lmao

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>>67137048
tight enclosed communities where you never feel left behind, country in America with the most UNESCO world heritage sites.
tbqh the whole we wuz Aztecs and shiet has an historical reason. People back in the early century didn't care or ignored indigenous communities and were ashamed of their racial heritage, but in early 1900 José Vasconcelos took over and reformed the whole education system, making muralism the standard form of artistic expression among public institutions, the whole idea of race, independence and revolution took a great shift towards the less ugly aspects of it.
We are taught at school things like who was the last king of the Aztecs, or which was the first great civilization in Mesoamerica, where the main prehispanic cities were located and who they belonged to.

>>67136071
CHI

>>67137127
>Culture is due to hardships
>America has no culture

It's literally the dominant culture. Culture has nothing to do with Hardship. You just find it the norm because we're living in American cultural hegemony.

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>>67135451
>come to /int/ after a heavy day at uni
>see 3 Mexico hate threads on the first page and being bumped constantly

>>67137343
you forgot madmax and that goy that got killed by a ray

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>>67137402
Don't worry Amigo. Best ally.

>>67137402
algunas vez te haz subido al chepe?
en que ciudades/pueblos me recomiendas bajarme?

>>67136028
He wants an upgraded version.

>>67137433
Me subí a una vez cuando era morrillo y fuimos a Sinaloa
no me acuerdo ni madres casi, solo que hacíamos paradas y un montón de indios tarahumaras vendían cobertores, tazas, platos y uni chingo de artesanías

>>67137468
que awite qe no te acuerdes, he estado pensando subirme con un grupo de amigos, a ver como sale la cosa
por cierto, nieva por halla?

>>67137535
si siempre

>>67137380
>tight enclosed communities
Because you have less welfare I guess?
Its comfy being coddled by the state but your social fabric degenerates in return it seems.

Are pure mesoamerican communities like the zapotecs who are left very segregative or do they manage to survive without secluding themselves?

Now that they get accepted more, where their birthrates affected?

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>>67137558
al putazo

>>67136616
>mexicans working in the us and sending pesos back to madre

You forgot the illegal part.

I'm ok with them doing it when they actually went through proper procedures to get a job in the US, but when we're talking about the illegal majority who has to run from their job as soon as a cop goes nearby then it's definitely not proper.

Specially since a lot of jobs in Mexico pay the same misery as they pay illegals and are actually legal to do and easier to get.

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>>67137420
There's a subimage for that.

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>>67137567
>Because you have less welfare I guess?
we don't have welfare per se, just goverment aid given to marginalized communities.
>do they manage to survive without secluding themselves?
There are a shit ton of small communities with their own languages, writing and customs. They have been developing themselves in isolated places and have evolved their culture to accommodate both Catholicism and their own customs. In the south many of these communities fall into the category of "Usos y costumbres" government, where they alone and without party intervention decide their own leaders, laws and social scheme. But it has its downsides as well, a lot of downsides. But nobody really talks about it, the amount of people who have been in touch with these communities is extremely low, and they don't receive media attention even though they represent a great number of our inhabitants.
>Now that they get accepted more, where their birthrates affected?
tbqh, a lot of people don't know or care about them, specially in the north. They are left to do their own stuff, neither they want to bothered neither the general population feel the urge to help them

>>67135451
>There's already 10 million undocumented Mexicans in American, how many is there going to be in 4 years?

Probably less than there are now. There's more job creation in Mexico than the US right now, and it's far cheaper to live there than the US. Mexicans largely came here out of financial desperation, but once here it's often extremely hard to scrape by, as Mexicans often work for minimum wage or below that illegally yet are stuck paying first world prices. They also typically have to live in shitty ghetto environments here, don't speak English well and have to work crappy jobs. It's far easier for most Mexicans to just stay in Mexico and find a lower-middle class factory and at least be able to stay in their own society close to their families. There's less net misery for Mexicans in Mexico now.

>>67136219
>>67136219
Sanctuary city policies don't only apply to Mexicans though. There are lot's of Asians and other south Americans here. I knew a German guy in high school who was planning to just stay here afterwards because we're in LA and he knew he'd never get deported as long as his address was in the city of Los Angeles.

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>>67137401
>>67137401
Not that guy, but he's right. There is no culture to America. It's all completely surface-level mannerism and trinkets. That's why they've been able to expand across the entire western world and have their "customs" adopted abroad. Because they are meaningless, with no deeper significance for anybody. Most of it is cooking they got from somewhere else, their entertainment is mass produced and made expensively but it has no cultural bootprint to leave, and flows over people like a slight breeze. There is no culture that Americans carry that make them unique. Not even just as a country either. The states are all practically identical. Even the north-south and eastcoast-westcoast divisions don't carry any noticeable cultural seperation.

I probably wouldn't attribute it to lack of hardships, though. I mean Mauritania has hardship up the ass but no culture. And Canada has culture without any real struggles.

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>>67137830
What the fuck Americans

>>67137748
Woah thats interesting.
So they can have parallel societies wihout causing a greater nuisance.
And there I thought theyd be dying out because their youth doesnt learn their languages anymore.

>downsides
They block themselves out from higher education with their seclusivness while crimes or cases of abuse in their communities may get covered up for the sake of social peace Id guess.
Stuff like that?

>>67137843
They were very unique in their own way bit now weve become like them in mamy aspects and the deeper nuances of their own culture die just like ours.

Saying theyve got noone at all is BS.
Their gunculture among other stuff is based on an indeed strong will for individual freedom and a mistrust in humans as keepers of a powerful state.

They created western civilisation as a greater concept, birthed own art and architecture movements like art decor and if you read european accounts of american soldiers in both WWs you see that they were considered quiet alien in some ways so there must have been differences which implie cultural nuance.

You are right however that the country is a monocultural blob as the substates do not differ as much as the subregions of most oldworld countries be they european or asian.

>>67137567
It varies by each ethnic group. Some groups like the Tarahumara or Lacandon are pretty much living the same way they did 600 years ago in isolated villages with very little outside contact except now some have cell phones and cars. Others like the Nahua in Edomex and Yucatec Maya have become fairly modernized and adapted their societies to run in parallel with mainstream Mexican society. They'll live in rural areas predominantly speaking their own languages yet you'll still see them in cities working normal jobs. The Maya in the Yucatan peninsula are probably the best example of this. They are about as developed as the Hispanic population yet most still speak Maya and there are bilingual signage where they live, yet they can also largely speak Spanish and interact with the general population. Most of the indigenous simply want to be left to develop on their own and retain their own culture, deciding how they'll function within Mexico on their own, and most of the Mexican population pretty much shares this desire and let's them stick to themselves.

>>67137901
>They block themselves out from higher education with their seclusivness while crimes or cases of abuse in their communities may get covered up for the sake of social peace Id guess.
Couldn't have said it better

>>67137843
the thing is we ARE culture, we're the thing that unites cultures at this point. its scary how much its spread, our art is everywhere(movies/tv,vidya) our media is used and viewed worldwide, you eat our food, and most of you speak our language. just because you think our version of those things is bad doesn't mean its not culture.

>>67137974
"..you eat our food"
by this you meant burgers?

>>67137901
>They block themselves out from higher education with their seclusivness while crimes or cases of abuse in their communities may get covered up for the sake of social peace Id guess.
Stuff like that?

Somewhat. They actually seem to care about education slightly more than the average Mexican, but that's mostly because they're often poor and gaining a skill is pretty much their only path out of poverty. A big problem is that the older generation doesn't speak Spanish so it's hard for them to interact with mainstream Mexican society or gain much economic standing. Legally metropolitan governments in Mexico have to provide services in indigenous languages but Mexico has some 62 languages spoken within it's borders so that usually doesn't happen. Only the major indigenous languages like Nahua, Zapoteca or the larger Maya languages typically get any real recognition, so smaller indigenous groups are left ostracized. On top of this some of the older people are averse to the younger generations learning Spanish even though it will open up opportunities for them, because they think it will lead to a slow death of their language. It's mostly just old conservative indigenous being paranoid at their children's expense, but it's not entirely unfounded, as just a few generations ago the government was trying to force their languages out of existence and people would get angry and demand they speak Spanish if they spoke their languages in some public settings.

There is a fair amount of corruption in indigenous communities, especially those in Guerrero, where some are in league with drug dealers, though the most common ways this corruption manifests is via extreme nepotism. Some have actually gone proto capitalist and started selling off communal ejido land to private interests. There was a recent scandal over an indigenous leader selling farmland to Bosch who's building a plant for auto parts manufacturing, subsequently screwing the farmers out of their land.

The wall is a dumb meme. What I don't get is apparently in the USA illegal immigrants can legally get drivers drivers licences and send their illegal children to shool. That simply wouldn't be possible in Australia, they wouldn't possess the necessary ID. Here there are typically two types of illegal immigrants:

1. Europeans who have overstayed their visas and assume nothing bad will happen (eventually their workplace gets raided by the feds and they get deported immediately)

2. South East Asians who work in family restaurants for practically zero pay

If you just make it difficult for illegals to live in your society, they will not have any incentive to come.

>>67138018
i mean mcdonalds, burger king, etc. what i should have said is you consume our goods or something.

>>67138059
Neither of those restaurants are popular in Germany. Their seen as novelty garbage. That's like a German saying their culture is a major influence on the US because our electricity is generated by Siemens systems or because Mercedes are popular here.

>>67138044
Its hard to do that when meme states like California have entire cities where they are allowed to stay without punishment

>>67135526
Only burger wannabes from the north and extremely poor people from farms got the united sharts of america, exucated people sray here to work in the brand new factories, either in management or as working force

Ive been offered an internship there by a family member but i said no, theres no industry there, fucking shithole

>>67136061
Said the illegal inmigrant living in la condesa working as a waiter

Kek, kys, southamerican chimp

>>67138644
>Said the illegal inmigrant living in la condesa working as a waiter
Srsly what's with this? All the fucking waitstaff at the hotels in DF were fucking Argies and Colombians, I would have thought they'd be Chilangos.

>>67136803
>he still lives in an ejido in the north where nothing happens

Lel, kys

>>67135497
True which is why us Americans would benefit from a wall on the south *mexico* border. Ironically Hillary is going to do this kek

>>67138687
Lol no, most service slaves like waiters and shit like that are southamerican inmigrants (mostly illegal but no one gives a fuck) and half time students, a proper mexican is an engineer or has a degree in something while working in a big company as a godinez, like myself, i work for a bank

When i used to work as a waiter and study there was an ugly peruan bitch who disappeared after a couple of weeks, she said she was living with her uncle or some shit, last week i saw an argenigger asking for money in the street near the tracks where the beast passes by, fucking hillarious

Inmigration here is worse than in the us but we just dont give a fuck about it, theres a whole toen in Jalisco full of old illegal american inmigrants leeching of oyr free healthcare (IMSS) and they think that shit is top shit, KEK

>>67138878
god, you're a fucking moron

>>67138908
What? Its not my fault you dont leave your shitty town once in a while where only growing corn is the only shit you do

>>67138940
just stop

Would you say Mexico is a good destination for someone who wants hot weather and no muslims?

>>67138044
>1. Europeans who have overstayed their visas and assume nothing bad will happen (eventually their workplace gets raided by the feds and they get deported immediately)
And honestly fuck you for this.

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>>67139032

I met some folks in Goteborg that were studying in ITESM Campus Monterrey and they loved living here.

So, I think if you want some hot weather and big city lifestyle you can visit us.

The best food and most cultural places are located in the south tho.

>>67135497
t.sudaca

>>67139032
if you want to die, move there...80% of mexican territory is like morocco, really poor and filled with criminals.


sven , mexico is not USA....or is morocco part of Europe? the same thing with them, it is a poor country filled with criminals and indians and if youy are european "Wero" you can die in meshitco

>>67140528

Wow, such a character.

We don't have anything against you Spain, actually we don't give a single fuck about you tbqh.

Peace!

>>67139169
Oh that's cool, I can do abroad studies exactly there from Lund University.

>>67140528
That's a meme I'd assume. As long as you stay out of the ghetto and the cartels you should be fine. In fact I think Mexican random vioelence is less than here due to our muslims.

>>67137402
Well, make your country better.

>>67135451
>There's already 10 million undocumented Mexicans in American

Over half of them aren't Mexican, and around half of them entered the country with a visa.

>>67135451
south west US is Mexican clay desu

>>67140865
being honest with you, i kill myself if i live in mexico.

mestizo meme is a job mate , they are indians

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpfO_QSB5BA

>>67141564
a joke*

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>There's already 10 million undocumented Mexicans in America

>5.6 in 2014, even less today.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigrant_population_of_the_United_States#Impact_of_the_global_financial_crisis_of_2008.E2.80.932009

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/20/us/more-mexican-immigrants-leaving-us-than-entering-report-finds.html?_r=0

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration_to_the_United_States#Visa_overstay
>In 1994, more than half of illegal immigrants were Visa overstayers whereas in 2006, about 45% of illegal immigrants were Visa overstayers.

http://www.insightcrime.org/news-analysis/mexico-plans-to-tame-the-beast-cut-migrant-route-north

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bracero_program}
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Reform_and_Control_Act_of_1986
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican%E2%80%93American_War
>Following the Mexican–American War approximately 300,000 Mexican nationals found themselves living within the United States. Throughout the rest of the 19th century and during the early years of the 20th century, Mexican migration was not subject to any restrictions, and were free to move across the border, typically in order for them to work in professions such as the construction of the railway system, or as seasonal agricultural laborers. During this time generally allowed exemptions for Mexico, while being more restrictive to citizens of the Eastern Hemisphere.
>Mexicans received special allowances under United States immigration law due to the importance of Mexican labor in the United States economy. At the request of growers in the southwest who depended on farm labor from Mexico, the Secretary of Labor waived those requirements for Mexican immigrants. The groups interested in the availability of inexpensive labor ensured that the immigration laws in place throughout the early 20th century did not adversely affect the movement of Mexican migrants

>hurr durr, Mexicans

Seriously, fuck off.

>>67135451
Mexico is Canada's unwashed thick throbbing 12 inch dick.

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>>67141625
In short.

Over half of them aren't Mexican, and around half of them entered the country with a visa, not through the Mexican-American border. Net numbers of Mexicans have REVERSED for several years now, Obama has been deporting a record number of immigrants while the migration flow through the Mexican-American border is at its lowest level since the 70s and the main route Central Americans take is about to be cut.

Not to mention, THEY FUCKING INVITED THEM to live there in the first place. They have been moving in and out for centuries, while they actually took a great bunch of our territory with thousands of Mexicans in there.

And the US is attracting illegal immigrants from ALL OVER THE WORLD. We just happen to border them. Maybe it is their fucking fault, and not ours.

Am I being clear enough? Good.

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Don't let the door hit you on the ass...

>>67135451

>he buys the no separation meme

The American/Mexican boarder is the most militarized boarder between two nations at peace.

>>67135451
The problem is they have a bunch of kids who automatically are U.S. citizens despite their parents being here illegally which is B.S. So the real number as other countries define it is much larger and the kids can vote and will vote to protect their law breaking parents. We'd literally have to commit genocide to reverse the impact.

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>>67145400

This. On a recent trip from El Paso to Tucson and back to Albuquerque I passed through 4 roadblocks and had to open the bags on my motorcycle once.

There are stationary checkpoints, and pop-up checkpoints. Everyone has an "M-16", dogs at some, and they ask you where you're from, where you're going, how long, your citizenship, and what's in your bags. It's like Checkpoint Charlie. I hear it's even worse south of the border.

>""Am I being detained""" durr!

I'm not an asshole. They're just doing their job.

>>67145400
>The American/Mexican boarder is the most militarized boarder between two nations at peace.
Maybe before all the refugees started heading for Germany that was true.

>>67139105
It really should be easier for europeans to move around.

>>67145591
Its the same on our side
I remember last time I crossed on our side there´s military checkpoints all over the place

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>>67141564
sure thing familia

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>>67137380
>tight enclosed communities where you never feel left behind
God I miss that so fucking much

>>67137810
>and it's far cheaper to live there than the US.
false

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>>67138591
>extremely poor people from farms
yup, that's my whole family, we got a house, but the farm's gone.

I'll make it simple: Mexico's birthrate is dropping considerably and they won't have surplus population to export much longer

In fact, birthrates worldwide are dropping aside from Africa.

>>67149551
NAFTA killed more than half of the productive farms, so that's not a surprise.

>>67152288

Yep. We gave you maquiladoras and you gave us your agriculture.

Any wonder that ADM, Cargill, Ford, GM, and Monsanto are in favor of NAFTA ?

>>67153871
Yeah, I mean why cry and be mad for our own mistakes? government did the best they could by quintuple infrastructure budget, providing universal healthcare and giving more economical freedom.
We made a huge investment due to the NAFTA deal, now is our turn to get the upper hand.

>>67139105

You have to go back m8

>>67153871
Of course they are in favor, just like they are in favor with the TPP.
It's a shame our governors don't give a fuck and just want to fill their wallets at people's expense. Hell, even the canadian government is calling the US for this bullshit when they usually are the ones who cooperate with them the most.