Chinese vs Japanese

Look at the negatives of each language and decide which you don't want to deal with.

Chinese is slightly harder.

>>67090468
Do you want to communicate with your own people and expand to Chinese business, or get a deeper understanding of Japanese media?

>>67090538
>Chinese is slightly harder.
You are so wrong.

Chinese characters are easy to memorize and have only one pronunciation each. In Japanese those same characters can have a bunch of different meanings and pronunciations, so Japanese vocab is more taxing.
Grammar-wise I'd say it's up to you. Chinese is an analytic language, so there's no inflections/cases/conjugations/bullshit to learn, you just need to learn specific constructions and how to play with them. Japanese is an agglutinative language so you get all the inflections/conjugations/suffixes you'd expect from a European language. In that sense Japanese grammar will probably be /slightly/ more familiar to you, depending on your language experience.
Overall though I'd say study the language you're more passionate about, because they're both roughly equal in terms of 'usefulness', but you'll always do better learning a language whose culture you're interested in (in whatever way anime and h-games count as """culture""").

>>67090663
I'm really not.

>>67090602
What about Japanese business

>I consume a lot of anime and h-games
Japanese is the perfect language for a degenerate like you

>>67090716
Forget about it. Nips are xenophobic assholes and most of them know & prefer English anyways

>>67090774
Japanese people are awful at English. And even when they know some they're too shy to use it.

>>67090468
you don't actually USE japanese though
everything you consume was probably fanslated or properly dubbed and there's no need to change that
sooo chinese

>>67090708
You are. You have shown that you know neither language.

>>67090823
how do you converse with your waifu without japanese

>>67090468
Japanese

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>>67090929
in english, of course

>>67090872
I believe you're talking about yourself, because you're yet to profess an argument.

>>67090992
I see, so that confirms my suspicion. That we, anglos, are all your masters.

>>67090823
There are literally billions of h-games that are untranslated.

>>67090468
Never ever dare to learn chinese or you will be doomed permanently
Chinese people are dicks and if you know their language any company you work in will send you to deal with them and you don't want to deal with them because they are dicks

>>67091002
>because you're yet to profess an argument.
As are you, but I know a decent amount both languages and therefore am speaking from a position of knowledge instead of ignorance.

>>67091092
Well you're yet to contribute anything of substance to the discussion so i'll just leave you to aimlessly shout
>no-no you're wrong!

>>67091157
Even the US government agrees you are wrong, which you would know with any amount of research. You're just making stuff up because you should up to Mandarin class for one day and realized you were tone deaf.

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>>67090992
that reminds me of this

>>67091187
Oh now you're invoking the US Government for help.

Okay.

>>67091264
kek

>>67090538
Incorrect.

>>67091264
DELET THIS

>>67091297
I'm glad you've finally admitted you're not interested in facts.

>>67090468

Learn Mainland (simplified) Mandarin first. Once you got enough 汉字 to be functionally literate, you'll basically understand most Japanese 漢字 anyway. If you're gonna take classes Mandarin is better too, since you're gonna need to immerse yourself in the language to get the tones down correctly (if you don't speak it at home).

t. Japanese that took Basic Mandarin

>>67091423
When you finally provide one you can let me know.

>>67091544
>If you're gonna take classes Mandarin is better too, since you're gonna need to immerse yourself in the language to get the tones down correct
I agree that it's important to immerse yourself but keep in mind that in a class you are immersing yourself in non-native speakers speaking with incorrect pronunciation

>>67091423
>>67091297
is this a satire

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>>67091679

Well I got taught by a qt Beijing teacher at a local CCP Language Center. They got a Confucius Institute pretty much everywhere at this point.

>>67091423
Japanese is only harder to learn if you're too much of a retard to memorize symbols, becoming fluent in Chinese is way way harder because of the tone gimmick.

>>67090468
If you're going into anything media related learn Japanese.
Otherwise Chinese will be your best bet.
Do be warned that in the current job market, if your employer knows you speak Chinese they will try to send you to deal with Chinese people all the time, which in itself is a curse.

>>67091777
You mean one on one teaching? Because yeah that's definitely the best.

If you're gonna be in a class with 30 3rd generation chinese though I'd rather just go on italki after learning a few thousand words and getting help there.

>>67090468
Those who speak Chinese are all Chinese. Those who speak Japanese are all Japanese. You should ask your dick to choose chink or jap.

>>67090468
Learn both.

>>67091854
damn
decisions, decisions...

>>67091797
>Only harder if you're too much of a retard to memorize symbols.
>Too much of a retard to memorize symbols
>A retard
Why must you hurt me like this?

>>67091971
If you're too much of a silly billi to learn with flashcards then I'm sorry, Anon.

>>67091811

Nah, we had 10 people max per class. But all the teachers are native Mandarin Chinese and you gotta master the tones or they don't even let you get past Basic.

I was the only Asian in my class... and a Jap no less.

>>67090538
Chinese is really easy
It's simpler grammar than English

>>67092080
But it's much harder to pronounce than Japanese.

Also the writing system is completely alien to a westerner.

>>67090538
[Citation needed]

Written Japanese and Written Chinese are pretty fucking difficult to learn.

Mandarin is simpler for English speakers to learn than spoken Japanese.

>>67090960
t. WE WUZ NOT CHINKZ

>>67090992
Lol

>>67091002
Kill yourself for being so wrong

That's up to you.

Do you see yourself using Chinese? Learn Chinese.

Do you see yourself using Japanese? Learn Japanese.

If your answer is something related to business blah blah, don't bother learning either. You'll never go through with it beyond basics unless you have a clear goal.

>>67090468
Korean for the superior written system.

>>67092152
Japanese writing system is harder.

Chinese is hard to pronounce at first but Japanese pronunciation is hard at an advanced level when you worry about intonation.

>>67092405
They still use Chinese characters though.

>>67092360
What if your goal is just to become fluent in 1 year and then fuck with people because nobody expects a white dude to know mandarin

>>67091544
what are you doing in Peru? Moonrunes in Peru???

>>67092152
>But it's much harder to pronounce than Japanese.

"no"

>writing system
You do know what Kanji is?

>>67090663
>>67090708

Japanese is way harder than Chinese

>>67092483
It's a MUH heritage

>>67090872

The main problem that makes Japanese way harder than Chinese is that Japanese is extremely contextual. Chinese grammar is relatively easy and characters are straighforward and don't really change often with context.

I think this youtube video explains it best:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcdYKxHT8kY

The more you learn chinese or nipponese, the more your eyes slanted

>>67091002

see >>67092610

>>67092630
No

>>67090468
If you want to make money, learn Chinese. The Chinese economy has been exploding and now the country's filled with rich assholes that'll literally buy anything that's foreign and expensive.

>>67092610
Maybe, it's kinda hard to tell what parts of difficulty come from what. But I think the fact that kanji readings are not regular is one of the biggest factors. I've learned 6k Chinese words and while there's still many I don't know I can usually read them correctly. And I can just type the word into the dictionary even if I forget the tones.

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>>67090468
You'll never make any real progress in either, so why even ask?

>>67092921

Yeah exactly, and Japanese mostly lacks all of that.

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>>67092475
me desu
I'm at a school with ~30% chinese students, a bunch literally just out of asia
they keep muttering in chinese and laughing
I'm gonna find out what they're saying
I'm gonna turn around and roast their asses in their own language
I'm gonna learn a new language entirely out of spite

>>67092610
After watching that video, I feel like being monolingual now.

>>67093010
Yeah I thought you were talking about how Japanese leaves out subjects and shit and the more grammatical contextual aspects

>>67092483

Pretty much >>67092580. After Brazil, Peru has the most amount of Japs in the world.

俺は日本に生まれたんだけど。。。

>>67093221
Japanese was a mistake, it's nothing but trash

>>67092439
Why do people keep saying this? Hanja is functionally dead, its just on fancy signs for style points. They just say / write the hanja pronunciation in hangul.

>>67090699
>Chinese characters are easy to memorize and have only one pronunciation each.
Holy fuck Chinese is so much better holy shit, if that's the case how could the Japanese fuck up so bad with their 1234132 readings for most kanji?

>>67096582
to keep the immigrants out

>>67096760
Epic reply mate so original, never read that one before.

It's retarded and you know it you fucking faggot, it's unbelievable how much you fucked it up and how there is no way to unfuck it.

Japanese are literal stupid caveman.

>>67096916
Getroffene Hunde bellen.

>>67096760
these muslim immigrants dont even know english, or how to read and write, not even in their own language, they dont care about japanese, they want to turn every place arabic and muslim, they are invaders

>>67096844
kys

>>67096844
>Japanese are literal stupid caveman.
this

Why are Japs the worst shitposters after Aussies and Finns

>>67097515
My theory is that the weebs sucking their dick made them think they are something special.

>>67090468
Just b urself
I personally chose Chinese because its texts are more foundational and it has a greater reach (you can talk to more people in more places).

>>67093028
desu this is pretty good
Having a Chinese person refer to you as a foreigner in your own land and then telling them they're the foreigner in Mandarin is pretty good.
Also telling a room of Asian students to shut the fuck up with a formal beginning and ending is good.
I've always believed learning a language was not so much an opportunity to learn from people, but to learn how to offend them more basically.

>>67090468
as you know /int/ is basically anti-weeb, full of delusional beta chinkgooks and edgeloard fags who push for a shitty juvenile moral choice-ish argument "useful or die""beneficial or garbage". "i want to learn japnaese" is a taboo here. even those weebs go with the shitty argument because they're too weak to follow their own thoughts. this is like a leddit sub driven by upvotes/downvotes from chinks and edgelords. you should choice chinese ofc, if you only want to be part of the hivemind

>>67090468
Chinese
I think 10 years later Japan would no longer have the power to make anime. But as Japanese have common with Chinese in character and vocabulary to some extent, it wouldn't be a waste to learn Japanese first.

>>67090468
Learn French instead, its the language of the future and not a dying one like Japanese or a meme like Mandarin.

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learn german so you can solve captcha

I'm more interested in Japanese culture and it sounds much better than Chinese in my opinion, so that's why I'm learning Nihongo.

Learn Chinese. Japan is over and China is the future.

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>>67098900
>french
>not a dying language

>>67100771
French is the language of Middle Eastern elites in Lebanon and Egypt and the Mahgreb, and is the language of Africa. Soon, it will be the majority language of Europe, Africa and the Middle East, and everywhere that blacks and Muslims are dominant.

>>67092208
>spoken Mandarin easier than spoken Japanese

...dude are you high?

Is it just me or does japanese sound better than mandarin

>>67091040
Do the Chinese people are dicks which just go through your mom's body? or why u r so familiar to them?

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Learn Japanese

>>67098298
Why do you think Practicalism as Chuunibyou?

Even If you were weeb, There's tons of subs and dubs.

Do you learn other languages except English? Like Deutsch or French?

>>67090468
Learning Chinese will help you with learning Japanese because the Kanji are just Chinese characters.

>>67098298
You really think Japanese is better than Chinese IRL? Learning a language requires large amount of study

>>67091854
WUT ABOOT MI GOOKY? OR MEH 'NAM?

>>67106478
jesus christ, I've been learning madnarin for a year now but never thought about life like that. I will still continue learning mandarin but only for taiwan and singapore, never thought about how "fake china goods" mean for business owners

>>67109480
before that better for what

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>>67106478
>getting a degree in foreign language

>>67115741
Don't fall the bait, every country has scumbags you can't generalize it.

>>67090538
imo japanese it's a lot harder because of grammar.

>>67115741
Good.
One less pathetic sexpat English teacher we need to export to Asia.

>>67091899
This. What the fuck are you waiting for?

>>67125051
just keep the internal sexpat here than aye?

>>67125449
Should I learn dutch? How is eu sex tourism?

>>67090468
>Learning either
Arabic is the language of future. Insh'allah

>>67097139
Hello Korean enjoying Japan life?

don't look at us, you filthy gaijins. you fit Chinese learner.

>>67128691
Not with trump becoming president

>>67129306
>trump becoming president
Yeah but Arabic will still be language of future in the future Caliphate of European Union

>>67129339
Good thing he'll tear up NATO then