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Why are Europeans so obsessed with putting random lines over,

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Why are Europeans so obsessed with putting random lines over, under, and even on letters of the Latin alphabet? What the fuck is wrong with you?
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>>66887121
I think they should get on our level to make their alphabet perfectly phonetic.
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ô ö è ê ë ï ä â û ù
you forgot these, they are the most important ones as they are French

special mention to mämmi with their ÿ
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>>66887121
Because an "a" or an "à" can change the meaning of the sentence for instance, or sound differently. But since you probably studied French at school you already know that.
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>>66887184
>ÿ
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>>66887171
How do you deal with dialects? Americans pronounce it cunt and brits pronounce it coont.
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because, you mongoloid, it serves a purpose, so we don't end end like anglos mispronouncing sure, marie, warm...
french pronounciation makes sense, I do not understand the memes
english should be memed upon, not french
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>>66887121
>tfw we invented Ç
>tfw we don't use it anymore (well, except for catalans)
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>>66887279
Change the letters, simple. "I" in Northern Vietnamese is tôi and in Central and Southern Vietnamese is tui. These two are pronounced and written differently.
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>>66887207
weird, I thought you had a ÿ
sorry friend, with your meme language made with stacking double vowels and consonnants and putting umlauts on every vowel I got confused
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ZNAJNESKORUMPOVATEĽNEJŠIŤ?

Stvrtzmrzlina?
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eur*pe was a mistake

I hope you all burn in hell
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for the craic lad
tá mo teanga go háilinn.
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because töpörödött törpördögök would sound extremely lame without the ö sound, my speech impedimented anglo friend
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>>66887376
Co to kurva meleš cartmane?
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>>66887437
just pronounce it the way it's spelt without the umlauts and everything is fine
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>>66887184
What a pretentious faggot language. Brits had the good sense to keep the alphabet simple.
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>>66887585
English is the most confusing if you never heard it spoken. I prefer French because at least I know how it sounds like.
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>á â ã à ç é ê í ó ô õ ú

Feels very comfy, desu.
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>>66887768
Why is French so appealing to Muslims and Blacks?
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>>66887585
that would be the o sound and its not the same, making it more difficult thant it should
>>66887727
bong asslicker royalist detected
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>>66887287
Both orthographies are retarded and memeworthy.
German's too, but faaar less.
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>>66887810
>someone says something about France
>a Muslim replies
Everytime
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>>66887349
It's OK Pierre, it is a meme language but we only use ä and ö. Our alphabet also has å but it's not really used in finnish
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>>66887768
http://vocaroo.com/i/s140nZmyHpZV

rate my french please

I can't pronounce trois my mouth is physically incapable of doing it
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>>66887334
If you are given with a text written in a dialect you don't speak, can you read aloud that text in that dialect?
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>>66887800
Written form and spoken form should be almost or exactly the same. French at least explicitly tells you in the written form. Much like if you are learning the Quranic Arabic. If I never watch youtube, I didn't know that flour are supposed to be pronouce as flower, where when I first read it, I would pronounce it as fluer/flor.
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>>66888101
Yes. Vietnamese dialects are pretty similar anyway, apart from some Central dialects.
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>>66887800
Former colonial government
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>>66888103
Some Negroes showed me French text and it's full of silent letters and bizarre chaining of words so it's not explicit.

French appeals to Muslims because half the French vocabulary is Arabic.
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ᎪᏴᏨᎠᎬᎵᎶᎻᏗᎫᏦᏞᎷᏂᏅᎮᏩᎡᎦᎢᏌᏙᎳᏔᎩᏃ
Why would someone "invent" this set of alphabet?
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>>66887121
To avoid pronouncing 20 different sounds per vowel depending on the surrounding letters like """"""""""""""""""your"""""""""""""""" retarded language.
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And why ł
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>>66887962

you can't pronounce trwa?
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>>66887900
>Hungary
>muslim

So American of you
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>>66888461
I have a hard time putting the r in, it usually comes out as twa
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>>66887962
your french is pretty good
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>>66888475
Try to pronounce it as a medieval by rolling soundly the r, then shift it
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>>66887962
I'd give a solid 7.5/10, it's totally understandable.
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ɒnJsli ɛvɹiwan ʃəd dʒast ɹaJt in aJ pi eJ
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>>66887121
Hebrew influence
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>>66888519
>>66888480
Thanks but I still can't write it very well at all, that's my next area of improvement

>>66888514
Good advice
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>>66887962
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0x0R3aOZlZZ
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>>66888676

How do you manage to learn genders? Does it make any sense to you or you just learn it by heart?
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>>66888246
>and it's full of silent letters and bizarre chaining of words so it's not explicit.
Except it is, you mongloid.
In French, if you have "eaux", it's pronounced "oh". Yeah, it may seem silly, but it's always the same. When you see eaux, you pronounce it Oh. That's the definition of explicit. "fully and clearly expressed, leaves nothing implied".
In English, to get back to his example, you have flour pronounced like flower. But you have tour pronounced completely different. It's not explicit at all, it's completely random. There's no point to the letter combination, you might as well write it "flea" and claim it's pronounced like "flower" because it's so fucking random.
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>>66888804
Yep, English grammar is the most retarded out there.
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>>66888762
I know most of the more common nouns (chairs, the sun, etc) but for the more uncommon words the only way I can guess is if there's an e or ion at the end, that means the word is usually feminine and most others are masculine. It's impossible to speak French properly without knowing the genders, definitely one of the harder parts of the language
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>>66888845
It's not retarded, it's just pragmatic and easy to learn. That's probably why English "won" against French.
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>>66887184
>forgetting œ and fucking ç
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>>66887334
>I is toi
This must have really confused the French
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>>66887121
It's them Latins and Christians fault.
Germanic languages a perfectly suited script the "futhark" .
But the Christians forced the Latin script and Christian beliefs onto the people.
So we had to forge ways to keep our language written on paper as it's spoken, as Latin-script doesn't provide a sufficient range of sounds.

TL;DR accents are about dealing with the insufficiencies that come with Latin and would have never occurred with futhark.
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>>66888560
not really, in french it was used to drastically simply spelling, for exemple ê in old french was always es like fenêtre/fenestre and the later is still used in derivates od fenêtre like défenestrer (throwing out of a window)or forestier (belonging to a forêt)
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>>66887121
I too naïve to go to the café.
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>>66889026
Anglos regularly write it as naive and cafe because we can't be fucked putting the umlaut and accent in
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>>66889047
But naïve and café are the official spelling, correct?
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>>66889047
but without ï naive is pronounced nèv
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>>66889062
Firefox autocomplete says I'm right

>>66889063
Too bad, we make our own rules
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>>66888975
They are not the same, French "toi" is pronounced like "toa" in Vietnamese.
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>>66889062
It's interchangeable.
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>>66889103
But that's how it's pronounced in French too...?
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>>66889112
ok, we learned the spelling with the umlaut in school.
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>>66889103
It was a joke

Regards, jokefrog
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>>66888901
#1) It won because your empire stopped to exist, while Anglo empirialism still continues.

#2) English is pretty easy spoken, because it's basically a Frisian Creol and not a full fledged language.

It would be sooo much better if only they would switch to explicit rules of writting and spelling. It can't be so hard. Only the gods know why they continue to fuck in comming up with a solution to their shitzoid spelling.
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>>66889167
England lost her overseas colonies at around the same time the French did though, India (the most important) was nearly a decade before Algeria and Indochina
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>>66889047
>umlaut
It's a tréma
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One thing is difficult for me in English, it's the "double negative". Since it's absolutely forbidden in French and common in English, it always triggers me a lot. For example: "We don’t need no education".
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>>66889207
England is not all Anglo countries.
Do you remember that dirty fat cousin of yours?
Outside Commonwealth-Mannor this guy is a mover and shaker...
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>>66889167
>>66889207
it was cuz of murika, you retards, the british like the french didnt matter
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>>66887121
Sometimes you have texts that wouldn't be easily understandable if they were all written with standard letters only
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>>66887958
POIS
PAKKORUOTSI
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>>66889267
You french guys cultivate the double negative as well.
You just claim it's meant to be a parentheses.
But it's realy a double negative....everytime.
it sucks.
And you have other fucked up rules. like adjectives....some are to put behind the noun some in-front of the noun... Why? It sucks!
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>>66889267
we don't need any* education
le "no éducation" est une faute, et très probablement faite exprès pour la chanson (surtout que "any" ne passait pas)
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>>66889267
We don't need no education isn't a proper English sentence though
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>>66889363
>You french guys cultivate the double negative as well.
>You just claim it's meant to be a parentheses.
>But it's realy a double negative....everytime.
back up those claims please

also when you don't know, always put the adjective behind the word.
an adjective used in front of a word is mostly to emphasize (un rare artéfact >= un artéfact rare)
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>>66889384
I don't know, nothing.
Je ne sais rien....
double negatives all the time
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>>66888804
>"eaux", it's pronounced "oh".
Four letters to pronounce one sound? That's inexplicit. What's the purpose of x? Nevermind. French is a nigger language.
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>>66887121
It would make very little sense for people who speak a language other than Latin to use a completely unmodified Latin script. You'd end up with something like English, where the spelling and the pronunciation at times have only the loosest of correlation.
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>>66889430
Am I allowed to use double negative or is it a mistake?
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>>66888804
>In French, if you have "eaux", it's pronounced "å".
ftfy
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>>66889455
>one sound
That's obviously two sounds - ou
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>>66889349
Even the French get it.
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>>66889010
so you want to go back to writing in runes basically?
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>>66889451
"I don't know, nothing." is "Je ne sais pas, rien." which is different from "je ne sais rien" ("I don't know nothing"). It's the "pas" who's important here.
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>tfw need ä and ö
>don't even use c, x, z ,q, å or w at all, and b and f are also rare
We could use a new alphabet sure
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>>66889349
This, thanks Pierre.
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>>66889533
"Je ne sais pas rien" is a huge mistake.
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>>66889472
surtout pas, double négation en français = double négation en anglais
"we don't need no education" = we need education

>>66889451
our negation works by adding "ne ... pas"
je ne vais pas "I do not go"
here, the "rien" replaces the "pas"
je ne mange pas de pain = I do not eat (any) bread
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>>66889472
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR5ApYxkU-U

only in british songs from 50 years ago
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>>66889472
In German it's bad style.

Code also

if (!b != true)
>>"I suck in logic"

Real code I stumbled upon debugging while the creater of this misscreant of code was vacationing.
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>>66889570
>>66889574

OK thanks.
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Why does Ł exist?
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>>66887121
>start a shitpost
>it's finally a comfy thread

Feels good desu.
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>>66889522
No, it's one sound made with your lips rounded, tongue touching teeth and a finger up your ass.
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>>66889570
"we don't need no" sounds like Southern patois

double negative is common amongst Celtic languages iirc, and American South was mostly settled from Celtic parts of the worlds, might be an explanation
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>>66889632
I thought serbo-croatian speakers used it all the time
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>>66889632
so you can Łick my balls
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>>66889522
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0t3hyQ8tAK5
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>>66889570
"ne" is a negative
"rien"/"pas" is a negative
you just claim it's a parantheses but it's realy double negatives.
Ask any one comming from a Germanic language learning French. your negative feels pretty much like an institutionalized double negative.

>Je sais rien.
No information lost!
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>>66889704
so you can wick my balls ?
kinky pêh

>>66889732
"ne ... pas" is THE negative, they never work alone
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>>66889632
Poles told me it is something in between l and w (not polish w which is v, but actual w) sounds
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>>66889732
je sais rien could be understood as "je sais, rien" = I know, nothing !
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>>66889732
The correct way of "je ne sais rien" is "j'ignore" anyway
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>>66889797
This.
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>>66889732
>Je sais rien.
J'en sais rien*
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>>66889854
je n'en sais rien*
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>>66889879
Je n'en sais rien*
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>>66889797
<_<

>_>

*_*
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>>66887121
ä, ö and ü are ligatures of ae, oe and ue
ß is a ligature of ss
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>>66889349
förfärlig inlägg
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>>66889570
Why do French people never say or write ne in ne...pas ? I only see it in formal writting.
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>>66889985
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>>66887121
Wierd question, considering it happens all the time to all alphabets exept the dead ones.
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>>66890071
vafan jag hatar Frankrike nu
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>>66890071
J'aime les Français maintenant <3
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>>66890029
Because spoken languages always change
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>>66889574
I forgot how good this is
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>>66889732
pas is a cod
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Dutch doesn't really use meme letters outside of loan words
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>>66887121
Ä Ö Ü :^)
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Not a Euro exclusive thing though, see the reds in pic related.
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>>66891129
we use the trema ¨ though
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>>66887900
French means niggers and arabshits.
French government is dedicates to tge eztermination of the French race.
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>>66887334
How do you feel about having the latin Alphabet rather than your old one?
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>>66891336
I suppose it's easier for us to learn it, so i'm good with it.
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>>66891271
true, forgot about that. But it's not that common to see one, only a few words need it. We also use accent aigu for stress, but that's once again quite rare.
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>>66891407
Also old one that based on Chinese characters is literally dead, i've never seen it irl.
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>>66887279
>Americans pronounce it cunt and brits pronounce it coont.

???
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>>66887121
Accents can change the meaning of sentences.
For ex. "Él abrazó" means "He hugged". "El abrazo" means the hug.
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>>66888430
>yfw Łodz is pronounce woodge
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>>66891774
Don't buy into the Poles' Elmer Fudd fad all too much, it's just a thick l
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>>66891774
you forgot your accents
Łódź
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>>66887121
just ask the poles. they probably wish they had a different alphabet, maybe cyrillic kek. too many extra sounds. pchzchschpchzchschpchzchsch
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>>66891619
>abrazo
>hug
an abrasive hug. can you say un abrazo abrasivo in spanish?
(never mind my autism, i love words)
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Still better than Chinese characters ngl
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>>66887121
To express change of sound?
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>>66887962
You should pronounce "nasional" instead of "nashional". Otherwise, pretty good.
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>>66889632
Ł=W
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>>66892415
Why? Our spelling rules are perfect, they cover the way we speak with 100% accuracy.
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>>66889974
Redpill me on that guy
What's his deal
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>>66895386
>sz
>cz
>rz

no need for those when you've got š, č, ž

also, w should be v, o with acute stress should be u and ł should be w. And y shouldn't exist in any Slavic language cause it's disgusting with our morphology and I've never even been able to realize what sound it stands for (some sort of hipster I). But you already know all that, you're just Poland stronk-ing it up.
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Having to "spell" words with "letters"
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>>66895559
yeah I agree sz cz rz are redundant since we have ś ć ź not to mention their Magyar invention and we just fuck it up all the time
w should be v and ł should be w like in literally any other language. why let ourselves get cucked by german w wtf
we have too many vowel duplicates u ó, i y, oł ą, eł ę, ch h
we also should put some vowels in words like chrząszcz or trzcina. Nobody can pronounce them really
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>>66895559
>sz
>cz
Our literaly tradition boomed in the Renaissance era and since then we use these digraphs (unlike š or č you can write them with one stroke), also our digraphs accurately refer to the position of your thongue - to produce "sz" you have to place the top of your tongue between "s" and "z", the same with "rz", "cz", "dz", "dż", "dź"

>rz
we also have "ż", but we use them in different situations, basically in some derived forms "rz" transform into "r", like "morze" (sea) vs. "morski" (of sea), while "może" means "maybe/perhaps".

Basically you can't compare any semi-artificial Slavic languages like Slovenian or Czech to Polish with its long CONTINUOUS literally tradition
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>>66896839
>you have to place the top of your tongue between "s" and "z",
when i say s and z i place my tongue in the same place
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>>66896534
>sz cz rz are redundant since we have ś ć ź
please, don't tell me that you don't understand the difference between them, are you from Ukraine or Russia?
-oł=/=ą
-eł=/=ę
-ch and h are still pronounced as different sounds in some regional variants
-u and ó - this is the only example when we don't differentiate them anymore, but they are still important when you use Polish morphology rules
>we also should put some vowels in words like chrząszcz or trzcina. Nobody can pronounce them really
what?
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>>66896534
I can pronounce hrošč, Poland-san, it is my people's word for beetle.
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>>66896908
not in Polish, also not always in German, see "Simens" vs."Zimmer"
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>>66897202
Z doesn't exist in any Germanic language apart from English and Germanic speakers are unable to pronounce it.

Siemens vs. Zimmer would be S vs. C, not Z.
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this ll used to be one letter and this ñññññññññññññññññññññññññññññññññññññññññññññññññññññññññññññññññññññññññññññññññññññññññññ
is a cool letter.
ñame enseñaré
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>>66887292
Wew
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>>66887121
Because it's nice to read a word and know how it's pronounced
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>>66897273
>Siemens vs. Zimmer would be S vs. C, not Z.
so there are some cases when they pronounce them in a different way
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>tfw no cool medieval english letters and spelling

>God spede þe plouȝ: & sende us kǫrne Inolk
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>>66897028
>>66897052's "hrošč" is so much better though I still think the č could be dropped

>>66897202
Siemens is actually pronounced as "zimens" and Zimmer is "cymer"
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http://vocaroo.com/i/s1V59wPpxA6q
>Ärrän kierrän ympäri orren, ässän pistän taskuun
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>>66897674
>Siemens is actually pronounced as "zimens" and Zimmer is "cymer"
and?
>"hrošč" is so much better though
You may think wathever you wan't, that's your basic law, but it doesn't change the fact that in this version our nasal vowel wouldn't be denoted in any way, while "chrząszcz" is 100% accurate in Polish. You would have to introduce some way to differenciate between "o" and "ą".
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>>66897876
Well trilled my friend
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>>66896534
sozzle about that, it's retarded, we should just use the diacritics like any normal people
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>>66897876
"uu" is pronounced like one long "u" or like two separate "u"s?
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>>66887279
>Americans pronounce it cunt and brits pronounce it coont.
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>>66898012
Hungarian is already overloaded with diacritics, for example it's very hard to distinguish that "o" with "umlaut" and its long version when you read some small text
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>>66898059
>americans in charge of phonetics
ayy
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>>66897903
>nasal vowel
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>>66898035
it should ú, instead of uu

double or triple letters for simple phones is a retarded system in any language
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>>66898267
isn't it exactly the reason why so many people struggle with pronouncing english correctly?
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>>66898174
we use diacritics for vowels á, ë, é, í, ó, ö, ő, ú, ü, ű and multiple letters for unique consonants like cs, dz, dzs, gy, ly, ny, sz, ty and zs

does this make sense for you? When all of our neighbors both romanians and western and southern slavs use the marking system for unique consonants?

No, it's retarded and it should be reformed.
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>>66898035
uu = long u
aa = long
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>>66898422
it makes more sense than our system mixing diacritics with multiple letters has so much redundancy and uses one character for two sounds like ą ę
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>>66898434
>if people would have reliable inner clocks to synchonize everything like computers, you could have languages that would have words like aaaaiuutrzuuuuu and that would be different from aaaaaaiuutrzuuuu
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>>66898422
>multiple letters for unique consonant
Digraphs. Telll me a single language that doesn't do that. In pt, we have ss, xc, sc, lh, nh, rr, qu, gu and sç
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>>66898609
any Slavic language except polish
Finnish
Japanese
Italian, Spanish
Nordic languages
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>>66897920
4U
>http://vocaroo.com/i/s1daN5a6f25g
>http://vocaroo.com/i/s0invOkqsnmZ
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>>66898422
>does this make sense for you?
yes, my only problem is when I try to do my Duolingo exercises on some phone, in these cases I can't see the difference between letters like ö and ő, on a bigger screen it's OK, but that's the reason why I'm not a fan of diacritics, I prefer digraphs, actually we often skip various diacritics when writing short messages in Polish, while we never skip digraphs
>>66898434
and it can change the meaning of words? In some languages it may be very important, like Japanese words for an orangutan and for a girl, they are the same except for long vowels
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>>66898710
>Nordic languages
you are wrong
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>>66898710
>italian
>what is gl, gn
>spanish
>ll
>qu/gu like in pt

Japanese has a syllabarium

Don't know about the others to say much about
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>tfw non-danes uses o's as o's and you can't help but hear the retarded sounding words in your mind.
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>>66898422
why doesn't e̋ exist in Hungarian? Does long ë really never occur?
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>>66898853
Every time I read Curacao I wonder how someone who knows nothing about Portuguese would pronounce it
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>>66898710
You really don't know what you are talking about, Japanese doesn't use letters but two syllabaries and characters/ideograms, and many Slavic languages have various digraphs, eg. Russians use the combination of letters+"soft" or "hard" signs, another example - check how they spell "dzherelo" (a source) in Urainian. I could give you many examples like these.
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>>66898948
I second this question, Hunganons, please respond
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>>66898974
>Russians use the combination of letters+"soft" or "hard" signs
Does that really count as a digraph? Considering the letters ь and ъ don't have any actual sounds, and they exist only to modify the previous letter.

>"dzherelo"
I'm assuming you're referring to the дж part of that word ("dzh"), but again, I don't think that really counts as a digraph, considering that the resulting sound is quite simply the combination of the д and ж sounds.

I think that the other Anon was correct (at least, for Russian). AFAIK, Russian doesn't have anything comparable to the "ch" in English, where an entirely new sound is created from two letters.
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>>66898968
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1LnwqBaKwGr
desu
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>>66895552
He's dead.
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>>66898948
No, it doesn't, and ë isn't even part of the official alphabet I think, unlike ly, but neither of them is actually pronounced properly by most Hungarians.

Ly is usually just pronounced j and ë is either e or ö, based on the local accent. I think some Western Hungarians still use ë, and Eastern Hungarians can pronounce ly, and since Eastern is the official, ly is still part of the alphabet, but probably not for long.
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>>66899238
That's a weird way of saying "dog healer" Iirc, curacao's name comes from "coração", heart

http://vocaroo.com/i/s1wYCF9DIvZB
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>>66899425
interesting, seems like I wasn't even close
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>>66899367
so "gulyás" is pretty much pronounced "gujás" by most Hungarians?

What is the "proper" (i.e. Eastern) way of pronouncing ly? And what about ë, what is the "proper" way to pronounce it, the way still used by some Western Hungarians?
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>>66899035
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UAt0zR8-Zs

found a video about it
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>>66899513
More like "guyásh"
The "s" sound in Hungarian is represented by "sz"
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>>66887121

Because ortography. Tbh we could perfectly live without the accent marks in spanish, 99% of the times wouldn't create confusion.
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>>66899501
second 'c' is supposed to be a ç, which always has an 's' sound
second 'a' is supposed to be an ã, a nasal vowel. 'ão' is usually the stressed syllable
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>>66899513
Yes. Ly is supposed to be a very soft l, our digraphs or trigraphs "make sense", since if you'd try to pronounce those consonants at the same time, you'd get a similar result.

The only thing is s is sh and so sh + z is like the English/Latin s.

Ny is soft n, gy is soft g and ty is just weird as fuck. :D
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>>66899698
Give me a sentence with those digraphs
I want to try to pronounce them
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>>66899229
>Does that really count as a digraph?
Digraph (orthography), a pair of characters used together to represent a single sound, such as "sh" in English

>I'm assuming you're referring to the дж part of that word ("dzh"), but again, I don't think that really counts as a digraph, considering that the resulting sound is quite simply the combination of the д and ж sounds.
It's one sound in Ukrainian, two in Russian:
>⟨дж⟩ is a digraph or sequence of letters, depending on the language. It is used in many languages, such as Bulgarian, Ukrainian and Belarusian, to write a sound [dʒ] or in Russian to write [dʐ] (In standard Russian pronunciation, this is two separate sounds rather than an affricate consonant).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Cyrillic_digraphs_and_trigraphs#.D0.94
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>>66895386
yea, thats is different thing though. my point is that a lot of those "hissing" sounds have a dedicated letter in cyrillics. and you seem to have more of those compared to other slavic languages. but since you use the latin alphabet, you have to resort to consonant clusters that look awful.
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>>66899698
Thanks, that's all quite interesting

And what about ë? How is that pronounced when pronounced by "some Western Hungarians"?
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>>66899698
>Ny is soft n, gy is soft g and ty is just weird as fuck. :D
Come to think of it, does consonent+y simply create palatalization? That would make sense given your description as "soft" (and also, the fact that the letter 'y' is used for this is quite logical)
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>>66899811
Once you understand how the digraphs work, you stop thinking they are ugly

My opinions on Polish have changed a bit once I understood how Szczecin is pronounced.
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>>66899746
"Gyula a lándzsájávával nyakon szúrta a tyúkot és zacskóba, majd zsákba csomagolta, de mindkettő lyukas volt. "

http://vocaroo.com/i/s05kXekwBA05
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>>66899811
I really don't care about your feelings anon, still it's a fact that you can read any Polish word with 100% accuracy, but you cannot do the same thing with Russian words (I'm refering to their moving accent that changes the way you pronounce their "o").
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>>66899564

Writing camion instead of camión doesn't. But with the verbs it usually does

>golpe (noun)
>yo me golpee (subjunctive present)
>yo me golpeé (simple past)

Also with the interrogative pronouns.
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>>66899986
dank
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>>66899534
Thanks
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>>66899986
Tried to do it without checking your vocaroo
R8 and correct pronunciation pls: http://vocaroo.com/i/s1hcMoV5Zwnk
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>>66897273
Wrong, Germans have the z sound, are you retarded?
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>>66900375
Doesn't z in german sound like ts?
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>>66898710
Wrong, slovenes and serbocroatians have dž digraph. Also nords have them.
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>>66900375
I think that Branon is right, they have the "z" sound, but they use the letter "s" to write it down. Still, sometimes they read "s" as "s", not "ts".
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>>66900437
Yes, but I'm talking about the sound z, not the letter z. Germans pronounce s as z in some cases, for example so is pronounced as zo
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>>66900306
Hungarian "a" is more like "o" and "s" is "sh".

Most latin alphabet languages' "a" is "á" and "s" is "sz".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_alphabet

Otherwise nice. :3
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>>66900520
S is z if it's the beginning of the word like Sauerkraut. S is sh if it's before t or d. Z is always c though.
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>>66900636
>"s" is "sh".
>"sz" is "s"
I actually knew that. Must've inadvertently fucked them up somehow.
These "zs" and "cs" kinda make me 404 sometimes too

>Otherwise nice
Thanks, mate :3
Cheers
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>>66900636
Hungarian ortography seems to be very regular, the hardest part, imho, is that your vocabulary is soooooo different
https://babadum.com/play/?lang=23&game=1
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>>66887121
IT'S CALLED ACCENTUATION, YOU FUCKING KANGATARD
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>>66900306
pretty gud lad
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>>66887279
Couldn't be more wrong.
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>>66899954
True, it is one way of dealing with additional sounds that don't exist in languages which alphabet you adopt. I am just comparing different ideas but that left the Polish guy a bit butthurt. Anyway, consider Arabic/Persian/Urdu/Pakistani. These languages use a different approach: they either add extra letters or use additional diactcrics which would be the same idea as accents in the Latin alphabet.
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>>66887121
You do know that england (you know, where your Language originated) is european too? Fucking bogan fucker
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>>66898609
turkish
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>>66904142
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>>66904491
how is ğ a digraph?
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>>66904661
Isn't it used alongside another vowel to make a single sound?
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>>66904711
no
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>>66904711
I thought its only purpose was to double the following vowel wtf
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>>66898609
>ss
yes
>xc
where? Like in excelente?
>sc
when is this not pronounced like "tasca"?
>lh
yup
>nh
mhm
>rr
yup
>qu, gu
you mean the mute "u", right? Does it even count?
>sç
when is this a new sound? Nasça? Isn't that just our weird 's' preceding a ç?
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>>66887207
Isn't your "y" pronounced like our "u"?
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>>66889127
Yes.

>>66889455
Why do anglos always say we've a "nigger language" everytime they're triggered and confused by this one?
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>>66889632
In venetian it exists and it's a sort of short L
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>>66904856
elongating the preceding vowel
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>>66905616
they are not triggered but rather baiting. just ignore stupid replies and don't get triggered.
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>>66905616
>americans
>anglos
not anymore. they're spics now
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>>66898267
szerintem semmi baj nincs vele
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>>66903426
>butthurt meme
I only wrote that I didn't care about your feelings - de gustibus non est disputandum - some people hate the sound of Portuguese (we had one thread about this topic yesterday), I like Portuguese, other people hate Chinese characters, for me it's the most attractive feature etc.
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>>66905351
Half of these have an s sound and rr only exists because s and r's position in the word changes how it should be read, lh and nh are the only ones that represent a true new sound. If you consider digraphs as "two letters together representing a single phoneme", then all of those are digraphes
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>>66907110
But what's the problem? "Nh" and "lh" are very convenient, you don't have to use any strange combinations during typing.
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>>66906990
OK, fair enough.
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>>66891316
dis
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