r1b general Invited: World-conquering countries (France, Spain

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Also I am just here on vacation. I am not a shit-eating german.

>>66816168
t. R1(A)ryan rapebaby

>>66816203
T. Ashkenazi neandertal

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i2a MASTERRACE

>>66816270

t. putin

>>66816271
This map is missing Sardinia

>>66816203
you mean you're working in germany as a fucking dishwasher, subhuman moor

>>66816224
>R1(A)ryan
>not A(R1a)n
wew lad

Also I1 > R1b > R1a > I2 > N > G > J > E

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>>66816328

I might be a subhuman moor... but you are the ex-colony of subhuman moors.

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>Tfw not r1b

>>66816388
Habsburg were Germanic, not fucking Moor subhumans KEK

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>>66816329
>I1 > R1b

>>66816456

t. subhuman moor rapebaby

>>66816632
t. son of al-andalus

>>66816168
>Finland N1c

In reality we have more I1 than scandis

>The study found 41,1% I1 in Finland overall, 55,6 % I1 in southwest Finland, and 23,9% in northeast.

>>66816706

>I am not mongolian I swear

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>>66816741
Nice meme dipshit

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>>66816168
>>66816271
>>66816706
Friends, stop posting outdated bullshit

Also, Germany is literally designated BLANDA UP.

>>66816741
All European haplogroups originated outside Europe, even I1 and I2. He is as much a Mongolian as you are a Central-Asian steppenigger

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>>66816783
>Friends, stop posting outdated bullshit

>Posts hablomeme map

>>66816783
Sardinians are Balkanic people


Sardica=SARDinia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_pit_of_Garlo

"It was excavated in 1972 by Professor Dr. Dimitrina Mitova-Dzhonova and her team. Professor Dzhonova dates the pit around the 11th[1] century BC and relates the site to the sacred pits found within the remains of the Nuragic civilization in Sardinia."


Made me think

>>66816828
he's spanish so he's actually a north african goatfucker

>>66816828
>Haplogroup I is the oldest major haplogroup in Europe and in all probability the only one that originated there (apart from very minor haplogroups like C6 and deep subclades of other haplogroups)

>>66816907
My point still stands though because I came from IJ which came from IJK and so on - as you go back you find these all originated outside of Europe. So essentially if you go back far enough, you can say that every haplogroup branch came from outside of Europe.

>>66817172
In that case i'm 100% african

>>66816168
Hello friends, bong-descent here

Where R1bs went, prosperity and order followed :^)

Why couldn't non-R1b's do colonization??

>>66817245
Exactly, haplogroups are fucking retarded for determining race/ethnicity

>>66817310
depends though, they are correlated with race, especially as you go down the tree, and you can estimate the time of divergence in order to understand the timelines involved

on average someone with Y-DNA I is very much as European as it gets
someone with Y-DNA R1b kinda, but will bit less certainty
someone with J much less, but if you go down the tree of J then you can increase your precision a lot

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>>66816706
I1 is only 25% of total population, regional frequencies do not matter.

>>66817571
that map is incorrect, recent study from 2015 claimed otherwise

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>>66816706
>In reality we have more I1 than scandis
No, we don't.

>>66817443
Yeah when I said race/ethnicity I should have specified that I meant that haplogroups have nothing to do with your racial "admixture" so to speak. For example you could have an East Asian haplogroup, but if that East Asian ancestor that gave you that haplogroup was alive thousands of years ago and his descendants exclusively had children with Europeans since then, you would still be 100% European. Likewise, just because R1 came from Central Asia, it doesn't mean that Europeans are "Central Asian" racially.

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>>66817653
Whatever you say, lad.

>>66817663
>>66817719
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0130331

really makes you think.....

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>>66817719
Meme study in which N1 still turned out dominant. Try again.

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>>66817852

>Poland

>>66818036
>>66817772

>>66818036
and we have the same amount of I1 as scandis, so i don't care

>>66818101
It's around 25-30% only so I don't really believe that.

>>66816168
I wonder just how much of our power is genetic. I would dismiss it as pseudoscience but looking at that map and crossreferencing it with history really fires up the old neurons.

>>66818183
it says 41,4% right there

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>>66818039
>Niemcy

>>66818271
The sample size is skewed, in most studies it's 30% at most and your meme study seems not to have changed that.

Celtic thread? Celtic thread!

>>66818250
what about favorable geography which allowed R1b to spread in the first place?

>>66818409
Never think of the mainland being Celtic tbqhwy

>>66818533
>british education

my haploshit is I-M223
what does it mean? is wikipedia good for getting a hang of this?

>>66818438
>favorable geography
not really
R1b in west Europe is seemingly the result of very warlike bronze age steppe riders wiping the fuck out of neolithic males in Europe and spreading their line everywhere

>>66818703
you're Kekmanic.

>>66818714
Yeah I would like a single proof of that.

>>66818774
look up the Kurgan hypothesis
we've got a shitloads of samples from the upper paleolithic to the eneolithic, and only two R1b are found
then in the bronze age, when we start seeing archeological evidence of the expansion of these steppe folks, we see a huge overturn in male lineages in Europe, from G2a and I2 dominating in the neolithic, to R1b dominating

>>66818864
And yet autosomically Iberian people have very little Yamnaya admixture (almost Sardinian tier in the North) but have really high r1b frequences

>>66819016
founder effects are a thing
if, as a matter of fact, the technologically superior invaders subjugated the locals, killing the males and taking the local women, the scenario is perfectly possible
the R1b you find in Iberia is compatible with this hypothesis(i.e it's not an older clade or anything)

see also http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2016/09/30/078360
>For later migrations from the Pontic steppe during the LNBA, however, we estimate a dramatic male bias, with ~5-14 migrating males for every migrating female. We find evidence of ongoing, primarily male, migration from the steppe to central Europe over a period of multiple generations, with a level of sex bias that excludes a pulse migration during a single generation. The contrasting patterns of sex-specific migration during these two migrations suggest a view of differing cultural histories in which the Neolithic transition was driven by mass migration of both males and females in roughly equal numbers, perhaps whole families, whereas the later Bronze Age migration and cultural shift were instead driven by male migration, potentially connected to new technology and conquest.

>>66819189
Technologically superior in what aspects?

>>66819265
metal weapons, but most importantly the horse, which was domesticated in the Eurasian steppe
and if the cultures that were spawned by these invasions give us any clue, their culture was seemingly very bellicose, while the cultures associated with farmers don't seem as warlike

>>66819341
>metal weapons

The first evidence of metallurgy are found in the neolithic farmers communities in Cyprus, the Balkans and elsewhere in the Middle East and Europe, not in the Eurasian steppe.

>>66819461
yeah but they also had adopted them by then
I'm no expert but the Kurgan hypothesis has only gained momentum ever since. Until a couple of years ago at least you even had the Anatolian hypothesis as a competitive alternative but the findings in the last years have added important weight on the KH, especially the genetic findings which confirm this important turnover in the genetics of Europe, especially central, north and east Europe.
South Europe was affected less probably because they were both more advanced than other farmers elsewhere but also because the population density was likely higher and thus the newcomers got absorbed in the genetic pool more so than it happened elsewhere.

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Guten tag, r1bische untermenschen

>>66819688
fantastic post

>>66816168
This is completly retarded.
The features between french and spaniards are too different.

>>66821946

Sure they are

>>66821946
sure

>>66821946
They're not.

Both are swarthier than the rest of Europeans, that counts for Western Germans as well.

>>66822164

>Pooland
>poo
>land

>>66822180
Thanks for the (you) senpai, but it's Polska.

>>66816328
You literally only saw 0,4% ashkenazi and no traces of north african yet you refuse to accept it. Can't make this shit up

>>66822164
I'm white af and all my ancestors are French.

>>66822164
>Both are swarthier than the rest of Europeans
You've never seen any french, nor germans.

>>66822331
Frange is a germanic slang, if you're southerner you aren't a real french desu honest.

And don't answer the poles, they are known to not be human beings.

>>66822477
Oh, but I did.

I worked in both places.

>>66818409
Celto-Germanicc thread...

France, Belgium, southern provinces of the Netherlands and Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Czech Republic

>>66822602
The average french is pale. Like me, I'm a pale frenchman from french descent (and I'm not this guy >>66822331 )
Swarthier french mostly have spanish or portuguese originis.

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who /F/ here?

>>66822880
I'm portuguese and I'm pale with european features.
It's like a meme in portugal too, our diaspora is swarthy as fuck and a lot of them speak french with algerian mixture. Most of those portuguese are from meme villages and they married or had kids with muslims.

I have friends in Bezier and they are white and look more european than the natural people from France. I've seen it whti my own eyes.

>>66822880
Don´t forget the 4 million french italians

>>66823078
>>66822331
>>66822880
>>66822331
>I'm white af and all my ancestors are French
>I'm a pale frenchman
>I'm white af
>I'm portuguese and I'm pale

ridiculous claims require ridiculous evidence

i demand pics

>>66822880
>tfw even those 2 parisian chicks I know are blonde and pale af

>>66822490
>Frange

France?

>>66823334
I'm not posting my photo here. If you don't believe it only show you don't know the cunt

>>66824376
>>66823334
picture evidence, the bane of the swarthy liar

>>66825125
You don't own white race or wtv is your wet dream. One day you'll understand that being pale doesn't have any benefit, I'm old enough to understand it

>>66823334
Pic of my benis? :^)

>>66816783

>north spain more north african than the south


you literally can't make this shit up, holy shit how is this possible

>>66825766
it's not north African, or at least the majority of it isn't
E-M81 is north African, most Europeans who have E1b1b have the E-V13 variant, present in Europe since the neolithic(you'll find it in small percentages as far as Finland)
there is a bit of E-M81 in Iberia though

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>>66816783
>île-de-france

JUST

t. glorious Poitou-Brittany rapebaby

>>66816168
who /j2 masterrace/ here?

>>66825840

What does it mean then?
Was it from post ice age migrations?

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>>66825943
yes, neolithic Farmers from Anatolia carried it in part it seems

>>66825840
I thought E1b1b was north-african and E1b1a and E1b1c was from the neolithical era

>>66826163
no, those are more basal splits, E1b1a(if we are coherent with the current nomenclature) is the one you find in west Africa IIRC

>>66816271
Bosniaks are Croats ?

I2 is the most european.Its the ydna of the Cro-magnons, aka Homo-Sapien.It's also the genetic marker found the oldest in Europe.

>Haplogroup I2a may be the haplogroup pertaining to the first anatomically modern humans to inhabit Europe, Cro-Magnon. A recent 2015 study has found Y DNA haplogroup I2a in a 13,000 year old, purportedly Cro-Magnon fossil from Bichon Switzerland, belonging to the Azilian culture.[5]

Also the tallest people are I2

>The haplogroup reaches its maximum frequency in the Dinaric Alps, where the men are on record as being the tallest in the world, with a male average height of 185.6 cm (6 ft 1.1 in).

>>66826210
I thought that it was the opposite, I think I read in some study but could be wrong (for a long time)

So to north-african what kind of nomenclature should we look for?

>>66816203
What's the name of all these tests ?

>>66826473
the specific mutations present there, E-M81 and E-V22, which are specific subclades of E1b1b(i.e E1b1b1a, notice the additional 1b)

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>>66818409
Englaland here. Where my Celto-Germanic bros at?

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>>66816168
Hello. I have galician and northern portuguese ancestry, can I post itt?

>>66816168
>France
>World conquering
Mate, France could never even build a fucking boat outside the kiddie pool that is the Mediterranean.

>>66827929
obsessed

>>66827929

>Poortugal
>Called mediterranean country
>Has no coast on the mediterranean

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>>66828319
We don't claim to be Mediterranean at all, mate.

Other than climate and half our cuisine, we're full on Atlantic.

This is how our ocean looks like.

The UK is more geographically Mediterranean than us.

>>66816203

t. Neanderthal

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>>66828319
No Portuguese calls himself Mediterranean you retarded kraut.

>>66816168
>Spain
>Conquering anything

>>66816870
He doesn't have north african dna yet you ignore the evidence. Why are those guys such shitposters

>>66816168
I dont understand this meme. I am R1a and look like south yuropean as fuck.

>>66830358
Get out of Iberia you Sarmatian horsefucker.

>>66830448
Try it :^)

>>66830358
R1b includes basque-iberian, celtic and italic. Two of those are the biggest groups inside spanish haplogroups.

Or some shit like that.

>>66830499
I will crush your scrawn stunted legs in my powerful Neanderthal grip, Manolo Barszczowski.

>>66830532
I am not R1a, anon, I am R1b. According to 4chan meme´s I should be a fucking vladimir.

>>66830603
What are you talking about? R1b is the most common haplogroup in Western Europe.

>>66830603
I am r1a not r1b.

>fucking holy shit I am getting confused with the fucking names

Could they have put some easier name?

>>66830646
I got confused. The names of the haplogroups are a bit confusing.

>>66830671
Being R1a doesn't make you any less Iberian. It just means that one of your ancestors loved his horse a little too much.

My subclade isn't Iberian, either. Doesn't mean my dad isn't Portuguese.

>>66830358
You probably have some G´, some J2 and E1b too.

Your y-haplogroup doesn't say the percentage of it in your dna or if you inherited those genes for your skin colour for exemple. The irish are celtic and even in the west you find very dark ones

>>66830741
I suppose...

>>66830739
What is your problem with the poles?

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>>66816168
Older than "old world" thread

>>66830741
>You probably have some G´, some J2 and E1b too.
uh, that's not how it works, you only have a single Y-DNA haplogroup, which is part of the non-recombinant DNA you inherit from your father
it's like a genetic surname, if he is R1a it means down his paternal line he likely has someone who came most likely from north-east Europe(the specific subclade is also important)

of course if this is very far back in time, autosomal DNA will be pretty much fully Iberian

>>66830875
Nothing. I actually like Poles and regard them as my Catholic brothers. I'm just making fun of them for Sarmatism and for their high frequency of R1a.

Seriously, all it means is that way back when you had at least one ancestor who was probably from Eastern Europe. Maybe some Slav who tagged along with the Visigoths as they made their journey into Iberia. It doesn't mean you're a foreigner.

>>66830987
I know but as a hole you don't inherit just Y-DNA haplogroup.
You can be black from black parents, grandparents,great grandparents etc and have an "european Y-DNA haplogroup

>>66831174
indeed, but that's not haplogroups, that's DNA on the autosomes

>>66831035
>It doesn't mean you're a foreigner.

I know it perflectly. My pathers, grandfathers and all my family is from Iberia. I may be 1/1000000000000000000000 slav but I dont really care about that kek.

>tfw, E-V13
>tfw, descended from niggers
>tfw, I am a Google even though I am Caucasian

>>66816783
Why is there even an unidentified part?