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MPV Edition
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Better version
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anime
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>train thread
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Class 37>everything
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>Janny is a train fan

GOOD LAD
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You posted a German train, but it's still more British than that dogshit a*ime edition
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>>66741208
you definitely haven't been because then you would know what FONT means because we only started abbreviating it in early 2016, before that we'd type out the whole thing and it was used way more than it is now

not that i would expect ANY of you new CUNTS to remember hahaha
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>UMMMMMMM GUYS WAT DOES FONT MEAN?????
>I BEEN HERE 2 YEARS IM NOT A NEWFAG SHUT THE FUCK UP GUYS!!!!!!!!!!!!
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*throws the ball through my legs and it lands in a cup*

>"Haha DUDE! chug chug chug chug"

*You attempt to down 25ml of bud light and just manage to keep it down*

*The room goes wild*

>"Wow radical party"
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thanks janny i liked this thread more than that other one
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5Ub55qx2wQ

pretty fun video
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require a gf lads
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>the janitor is the train autist
ahh yes
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howling at the runt who made the other thread
Failed gimmick and he's still trying to make it work
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Janny's on fire tonight

good boy janny, c'mere
*strokes the janny's hair while he chitters at kpop posters and dribbles down his front*
good boy
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>>66741328
anime btfo
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Gemma Chan on Channel 4. Get he fucking tissues out, lads
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>deleting the thread that was posted first

good job janny you useless cunt
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>>66741434
thanks i've seen it before
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>>66741322
yeah but that's mainly about beat Tbh

anyone goes fucking wild for Rhythm n Gash
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ships
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>>66741396
The Class 47 wants a word with you
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>>66741454
*lets janny off the chain*
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*does a sick bottle flip followed up by a sick dab*
*whips and naenaes*
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made fish for dinner
smoked river cobbler poached in milk and served with butter/chive/creme fraiche sauce

watching The Girl with The Dragon Tattoo

might go out and buy another bottle of wine and some snacks and watch another film

what film shall I watch?
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>>66741332
steam
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trains are the surest symptom of autism
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>>66741438
bad lad

>>66741412
good lad
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>>66741459
Train thread better
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>>66741440
>Failed gimmick
fuck off its a great gimmick
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based janny
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chipper

https://youtu.be/XGmB02CfQUU
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chooooooon (1 extra o for emphasis)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyoPMNTemSM
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me on the left
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>>66741511
and??
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>>66741489
tell it to piss off
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would strangle an irishman for a british gf
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on the bus
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rari workout
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>>66741534
t. creator of it
You're the only one who cares, it's failed la
Let go
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>>66741563
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2aOHaUVEOQ

The fuck happened?
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>>66741569
alri
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>>66741547
>tfw grime scene saviour
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Cheesy chips are the ultimate takeaway, good balance between price, taste and amount
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>it's a janny makes an attention-seeking decision derailing the entire conversation on the thread he decided to keep edition

hmm

would have handled this better
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>>66741576
you might see me in a peaugot
yes I'm a rorke - turbo
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Northern trains are actual poverty
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>>66741417
>>66741359
I probably just don't care enough to remember
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>>66741619
>extra 50p for shit cheese

Buy some chips and put your own cheese on it
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>>66741619
>implying

the jews that run kebab shops and chippies charge and extortionate rate for cheese on chips, and it's never even melted
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NEED a gf lads
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making risotto
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At the In-N-Out drive through lads

Ordered a Double Double w/ chopped chilies and grilled onions and animal style fries
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2014
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>>66741619
>not taco chips
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Anyone else lurk about outside at 3-4am? trying to pick up drunk birds?

I usually sit on the bench down town and hope one of them talks to me so i can possibly lose my virginity

haha
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>>66741652
>paying for soggy chips in a Styrofoam container

If you're adding your own cheese, then make your own fucking chips too
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imagine being rich enough for lipsuction
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>>66741644
see >>66741422

You're also clearly underage
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>>66741665
VERY jealous
Haven't had in n out for over two years now
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>>66741685
I'll suck your lips for a tenner
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>>66741627
train posting is spam and the janny is a fucking mong for not deleting it
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>>66741671
i have done this a few times but i always feel shameful the night after
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If you're talking the hardest
Janny better pop up in your thoughts as a retarded
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>>66741643
they're getting replaced soon
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>>66741703
You on a cut or out of the area?
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want to go to america and have a five guys, krispy kreme, dunkin donuts, chick fil a and in-n-out
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>>66741687
not him but i dont know what font means either desu, i dont go on /shit/ much these days

fuck off normie twat?
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>>66741708
fucking millenials
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>>66741671
If you've got the bollocks to do that how do you not have the bollocks to just go clubbing and go home with a bird?
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>>66741671
walking around on acid was gud doing this.

not hitting on them tho
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>>66741687
i ?
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>>66741744
They're all a massive disappointment 2bh
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>>66741744
biggest runt post of the day right here
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>>66741569
ello ello ello what's all this then?
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>>66741671
>>66741720
you could just rape someone
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>>66741652
>>66741653
Sounds like you cunts go to a shit chipmonger
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I'm wearing my giraffe leather givenchy loafers. You're worrying about poaching. And I ain't sayin it's right. I'm sayin it's necessary. I still run a wildlife preserve.
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>>66741619
Lol took me a minute to realize you weren't talking about crisps

I'm such a silly little yank
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>>66741665
>animal style fries

Are they chips in the shape of elephants and monkeys?
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>>66741731
really hope that isn't the final product
doesn't even suit britain, looks generic euro
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>>66741708
the irony is race relations are the worst they've been since the civil rights movement
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>>66741665
You get chopped chilies, grilled onions, and chips with your coffee?
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>>66741802
time to ban white people
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>>66741738
I live in the Midwest
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here's a picture of my girlfriend
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>>66741788
>And order your burger "Animal Style" for extra sauce and chopped grilled onions mixed in with your cheese.
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>>66741708
What am I looking at
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>>66741731
Shame they aren't replacing it with pic realted
wanted to see all the Northerners top themselves when they realise they're using old tube trains with Transit engines in them
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reminder that one of these american flags is reviewbrah
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How long are you supposed to spend in the gym?

If it's chest day, I do my chest exercises and I'm done in 15 minutes.

Am I doing it wrong?
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>Irish trains

i'm dead
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>>66741665
We don't have In-N-Out here lad
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>>66741790
such is the joy of not actually making trains anymore and just getting europe/japan to make them
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If you're the kind of person that thinks BLM is "going too far" you're the kind of person that would be against the civil rights movement where you from that time
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normies are being suspiciously quiet for what I assume is prime Halloween normie shite night
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>>66741830
it's not whites who are being racist lad
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>>66741744
Krispy Kreme is God tier
>>66741767
Wrong and also delet
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>>66741671
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>>66741831
I'm sorry

>>66741859
London had it for like an hour before they ran out
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>>66741850
>Am I doing it wrong?
yes
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>>66741831
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>>66741544

This is as much as I'm putting on.

Especially now the odds are getting shitty (hopefully a good sign)
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>>66741845
southerners/midlanders are getting them now I think

>>66741853
they look ever so slightly squished
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>>66741872
I'm still against the civil rights movement.
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>>66741850
do other muscle groups too you mong, "x days" are meant for the retards who spend three hours doing the same set of exercises because they like to think they're on gear, and for the lads who are genuinely on gear who actually benefit from such long sessions
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Look what I bought today with my money. Any poorfags or NEETs want to come round and play with it? Haw haw haw!
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LOOOL YASSSSSSSSSS
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>>66741832
does she like trains?
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>>66741850
Are you not doing any cardio?
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>>66741872
false dichotomy

but I would definitely be against the Black Panthers and the Nation of Islam
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I have a kilo of coke just because. Don't even use. My heart attacks? Genetics. That is the difference. I am cut from a different cloth. I am the king. Top dog.
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>>66741873
Nah the 31st is still the prime day for it despite it being a Monday
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>>66741915
well then you're just an edgelord rather than a centrist
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>>66741927
YAAAAAAAAAAASSSSS SLAAAAAAYY
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>>66741909
Absolute madman
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ut6D-1akP_w
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If im a new fag how come i got font right first guess? ?

Lol
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>>66741872
i am the kind of person who would be against the civil rights movement at any point during history

what exactly are you trying to say my lad?
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>trainlad is talking to himself
screeching
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>>66741932
not on chest day
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>>66741953
I refuse to believe that
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>>66741974
see >>66741955
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>>66741925
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The aftermath of the islsmic bombing in Birmingham
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>>66741909
>Stake £250
>Cash out for £339

Free money?
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>>66741834
The betrayal of America
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>>66741898
Overpriced american fast food chains are the new gimmick here
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>>66741927
kek
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>>66741977
me second row on the right
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>>66741955
I'm more of a xenophobe than an edgelord.
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imagine being this autistic
>>66741977
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>>66741929
yes
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>>66741955
>unironically being a centrist

time to off yourself lad
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>>66741977
>inappropriate playing with toys
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>>66741985
>>66741953
Monday is only if you're a student 2bh
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>>66742005
those are normal London McDonalds prices
I assume that you're a Northerner?
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I showed Eddie Vedder 4chan mod view. He was more interested in my Armani drapes.
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Out for dinner with the tinder date lads
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>>66742031
ahhh
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>>66742036
not a centrist; read the conversation
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Looking at my snapchat story, every Norman in the country is out having an exciting time, getting with beautiful people, drinking and all round having a good night

My own 'friends' included, even the lad who I considered to be my best friend (I've known him from primary school) went out and never said a word to me. It'll be the same for Halloween. Suppose they just don't want to be around me anymore.

This news is very upsetting and is prodding me toward the ole' suicidal thoughts, what the fuck is wrong with me

I just don't know why nobody cares about me
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>>66742072
too much breast
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>>66742063
I live in Bucks m8, 30 minute train journey yet going to L*ndon is like going to another country
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>>66742005
Are those meal prices or just for the burger?
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Yeah, I get money. But I also get ass. That's what makes us different really.
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>tfw working this weekend
JUST
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>>66742000
I'm seeing it through to the end
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>>66741427
know that feel lad
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>tfw unironically look like Alfie Allen

just
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>>66741977
there are multiple trainlads you utter mong
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there is no doubt in my mind that trainlad is making these anti-trainlad posts to solidify his gimmick
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>>66741927
>>66742009
can't comprehend either of these posts
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>>66742098
burger

8 quid for JUST a cheesburger
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>>66742090
Probably because you're a self-pitying spacker
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I'm not saying I couldn't buy the coffee. I just don't need it. Naturally awake.
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>>66742036
I'm a RADICAL centrist you fucking populist cunt
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fucking train wanker loves his trains
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>>66742005
>went there in london in summer, paid for it for 3 people, thought it was ok but not much better than BK or maccys. bit too greasy though.
>saw one up north a few months later, wondered what the actual chuff i was thinking when i shelled out a good £15 per person down south for fast food

does being a southern cunt make you do daft things with money?
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>>66742105
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>>66742131
That's a pretty nice train
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>>66742131
There's something wrong with that train
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>>66742124
Handsome motherfucker desu

https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1477772354001.webm

Better looking than his immigrant-loving sister at any rate
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Crossrail 2bh
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>>66742151
London is full of rich hipster mongs who will pay for shite
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I know you hate me. And if I weren't taller than you that might bother me.
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>>66742145
>tfw I'm a radical populist centrist

can't stand the moderate extremist stances from both sides of the establishment
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i want to dedicate my pathetic life to working for mr.trump and his family
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who /pacer/ here
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>>66742124
Alfie is that you?
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>>66742094
I'm in bucks too lol x
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business idea: stake couple of grand on sure win teams and make profit
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There's something wrong with this train
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>>66742184
God Game of Thrones was so shite by the end
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Post some cool and interesting trains lads getting a bit bored of the current crop that gets posted
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The state of London
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I don't go to the doc. I self diagnose. I'm right more often. Stay stuntin.
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>>66742090
normie bollix
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>>66742208
Where m8? x
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>>66742220
>end

It's still got two more years anon.

This year Maisie kills CIA and the ice king gets an undead ice dragon mount
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trains are the worst gimmick in the history of /brit/
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should I shave
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>>66742246
It's ended for me
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>>66742230
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>>66742236
Those have been replaced with >>66741643
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IT'S GOING TO BE ANOTHER FUCKING MILD NOVEMBER ISNT IT?

I JUST WANT MY COLD WEATHER!!!!!!!!! WHERE THE FUCK IS MY COLD WEATHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>66742231
me on the left with a surprised look
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They said velvet epaulets could never look baller in 2016. Then they saw me.
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>>66742139
Christ.

For just a burger here most places are $5 or more depending on how many patties you want.
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>>66742220
it's been shite since the Red Wedding

wish that fat fuck GRRM would just finish the bloody books before he has a heart failure
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>>66742243
Wycombe ;)
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the mong putting all his time and effort into making fun of trainlad is a million times more autistic than trainlad himself desu
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>A picture emerges of Jeremy Corbyn with Baroness Tonge and Assad, on a free trip paid by Palestinian Lobbyists, to condemn the Balfour Declaration
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>>66742263
iktf

I want a fucking freezing Winter with loads of snow.
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>>66742230
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>>66742263
isn't it an il nino year? that usually means rough winters
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>>66742189
i hope they all start to live on overpriced greasy food and die from heart failure before they hit 40 desu, london needs to be culled
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>>66742124
>being called Alfie instead of Alfred
I'm glad I'm an Alfred.
Literally not a soul on this planet was an Alfie for a few years then council estate chavs started calling their sons Alfie, so now I go by Alfred
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Totaled my NSX on 90/94 strung out on xans. Don't even care. Neither do the cops
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>>66742005
>fries
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>>66742302
Rasheed

I think I remember you, I said I was born in Downley, you said Downley is full of pakis.

I lived in an alright road near the common but the rest was a dump.
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>>66742119
Feels bad man when you make one big loss.
I had to set limits on my account.
Brexit was something I had to bet on to make victory sweeter.
I'm hoping it will be the same for Trump but I won't be losing thousands if he loses at least
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>>66742307
wtf I love Corbyn now!
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>>66742204
me 2bqfh
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vibe pon dis
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>>66742263
was sweating on my way back from the shops this evening

not a fan
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>>66742261
>Class 68
Excellent lad
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>>66742348
It's the latest gimmick to call chips fries too.

Not even memeing, you'll see 'fries' on menus in restaurants and pubs here now, albeit they're the thin shit chips the yanks have not proper chips.
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All my underwear is Iranian silk. State Department sanctions can't stop me.
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>>66742348
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>>66742252
Really, really don't understand this fucking gimmick and wish you would fuck off desu
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why do londoners get all the nice things
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>>66742329
Fred is the obvious choice
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>>66742358
fat cunt
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WANT SOME GINGER BEAVER, LADS???????????????????????????????????????????????????
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>>66742005
Been there just once in Nottingham.
Literally the same if not worse than a spoons burger... Just twice as much in price.
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Listening to Bugzy Malone - Lost in meanwhile city [FULL MIXTAPE]
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>>66742318
The state of 70's British Rail
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>>66742416
haha alri, he should just start a Mystery Gang while he's at it!
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Howling
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>>66742438
for the last time NO
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>british trains
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train on the right literally looks like an angry retard
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what is with all the trains, ive never met anyone who 'liked' trains who wasn't obviously a nonce
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Your'e all welcome!
>>66742158
>>66742158
>>66742158
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhX7gw594Yc

pretty pathetic desu
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The sheets I sleep on are Fendi. 5k a set.
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the dutch are my 4rd favorite posters in /int/
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>>66742416
Don't think Fred is suitable considering my age
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My nephew is one of those train autists.
Everything in his room is Thomas the tank engine related merchandise. Wallpaper, bed, duvet, lampshade, carpet, ALL his toys are Thomas - even his clothes have Thomas on them.

He likes to sit in the train station to watch the trains. He also sits in the back seat of the car in one of those baby boosters seats, and absolutely refuses to get in the front seat or give up his baby seat. He's almost 12.
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>>66742438
looks pretty noncey
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>>66742438
sure cunt lets go
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damn this dog know the business
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>>66742423
no, just sweaty

perhaps its an anxiety thing
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>>66742502
give us a list lad
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Just smashed my batmobile replica into a public library. Who cares? Got 3 more
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>>66742389
hate these normie gimmicks

here the gimmicks I've noticed is people who speak more english than dutch, even between two dutch people I'm able to comprehend nearly half the conversation because they use so much english
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Black mirror should do an episode on /brit/
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very unsettling train
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>>66742473
Want to ride on the so-called "Euro"star one day 2bh
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>>66742525
unironically brits first, finns second, australians third, dutch fourth
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>>66742105
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>>66742532
>Virgin
perfectly describes all of the train autists hahahaha
>>
*opens a tender for rolling stock*
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used to be obsessed with tanks and Thomas the Tank when I was little, probably up to age 7

grew out of it though, and rejected all train imagery out of embarrassment for a few years afterwards. glad I did. I was getting dangerously close to actually developing autism
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>>66742559
what's been your favourite episode so far?
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Must go now. I have better things to do
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>>66742389
Don't like this gimmick
British English should be preserved
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>>66742637
No. No you don't.
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>>66742307
Who's that slederman-looking fucker on the right
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>>66742508
>>66742475
Thank you for your anecdotal evidence for the argument against trainposting. I will take this into consideration regarding all future trainposts
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>>66742559
>alri lads
>just had a wank
>think sister has hots for me what should i do /brit/
>just had brekkie lads
>best be off to the job centre lads
>just had a wank

pretty boring desu
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what's the plural of dutch? dootch?
>>
I know new simpsons are shit, but I still enjoy watching it

they know its gone to shit and that everyone agrees it has but its still a massive cash cow that will print money regardless of how bad it is so they don't even care if anyone actually likes it and just throw out lazy experimental drivel and desu the results, while now completely lacking in comedic value, are nonetheless still highly interesting to watch (just once though; no replay value whatsoever)

it would be suicide for any other show, but the simpsons isn't just any show
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i liked tornadoes
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Prepared the garage for the rager tonight
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>>66742659
The lion of Damascus
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>tfw not a trainlad but will be experiencing a variety of cool trains on my eurorail trip
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>>66742681
Why do you have a McDicks poster in your garage? Are you a secret Yank?
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>>66742409
makes up for the wogs
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>>66742691
>the Lion of Damocles

People might notice that hanging over them
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>>66742603
I know you're not going to believe me, but I had sex yesterday with a friend with benefits and she also knows that I like trains and thinks it's cute
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>>66742679
>>66742681
>>66742720
>>
The best gimmicks are those that are posted so infrequently that no one can even tell that they're gimmicks
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>>66742681
garage i don't care about garage
listen to this, it don't sound like garage
who told you that i make garage?
wiley kat'z got his own style s'not garage

hope you have pint glasses mate
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>>66742720
Stole it one drunken night
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>>66742720
this post is funny because canadians are essentially americans
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>>66741867
bombardier make electrostars though
>>
>>66742670
As in multiple Dutch people?
Dutchmen
>>
>>66742681
DUUUUDE TOTALLY RAD
ARE CHAD, ZACK AND BRANDON COMING TOO BRO?
>>
>>66742739
Yeah blow me good bby
>>
>>66742697
Take pics if you want to
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>>66742720
he's irresistible
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>>66742635
I like the very first one and the Christmas specia, white bear was good too
I haven't been impressed with the latest series but I haven't watched all the episodes yet
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>>66742764
oh, right.

i read an article yesterday that said more dutchmen speak english than canadians. really got my neurons firing
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>>66742757
remember when she was an underaged loli and /tv/ loved her?
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>>66742554
that's fucked
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>>66742757
that's a big guy
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>>66742738
sprinters are comfy trains
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>>66742801
I saw that on Reddit too
Made my neurones fire up too
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Transport Fever soon, lads!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hWJEmBcytM
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pirates.........................
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>>66742681
>red cups
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>>66742738
>tfw they replaced all the 153s with 158s on my local line
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>>66742857
Already watched the video
I might get it
I get a lot of satisfaction making train lines and bus routes in Cities: Skylines so I think I'll enjoy this game
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>>66742743
Garage v grime at culture clash?!
I'm like why? Same fucking culture senpai
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>>66742827
they're not comfy at all, they're utter shite lad
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Anyone getting drunk?
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>>66742801
because of frogs
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>>66742554
>everyone in the Netherlands will just speak English instead of Dutch in the near future

I'm so sorry
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Wtf, you autists have made me sexually attracted to trains, I walked past one today and got a boner
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAmwbYw3hiE

very nostalgic sound 2bh
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>>66742896
I only get 142's on my local line and very occasionally 150's

I once got a 156 which I thought was a bit odd because even at rush hour, my train is never full up for that long
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All this train posting is insensitive towards me because Iceland doesn't have trains
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can somebody explain Sam Hyde to me please?

i can't work out what's going on with him in general
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>>66742908
>download pure grime off the 'seek
>has some garage choons
yeah yeah yeah i'm still about
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icelandinc homo hahahahaha
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Went for a cheeky zoot in the car park, got seen walking out aha bet I look like a right car thief
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bought my own cottage. Last night was my very first night alone

I turned on music and just danced for 3 hours straight and I don't even like dancing
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>brits play beer pong with pint glasses
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>>66742923
comfy as in comfy comfy, not comfortable comfy
I can't stand sitting in one but sometimes they're nice and relaxing on cold winter evenings going through the countryside
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>>66742970
i think its some sort of complex post-post-post-ironic internet humour. he has transcended all barriers
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>>66743004
>>66743004
>>66743004
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>>66742947
nice
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>>66742934
weird lad
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CASEY JUNIOR COMIN' 'ROUND THE TRACK
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>>66742976
>grime compilation albums
always utter shite
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>>66742985
Do Brits ever just smoke a bowl?
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>>66742932
honestly don't know how dutch people feel about this, but it's a bit odd to experience irl

also don't know how this is outside out of the big cities, I live in amsterdam and see it here all the time. i've heard many shops in the amsterdam city centre employ people who don't speak any dutch at all.
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>went to friends dorm to drink and hangout
>drank way too much and ended up crying and doing other really stupid shit
>feeling depressed af now
Pls help
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>>66742970
the first right wing comedian to discover irony
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>>66742959
woah
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>>66743098
Maybe getting drunk again will somehow fix it
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>>66743098
If you're a guy then kill yourself, if you're a grill then who gives af, women cry at everything
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>>66743087
if it makes you feel better i really like your language. it's one of my favorites
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>>66743081
nah bongs, pipes etc are very uncommon here. everyone just smokes a joint, and everyone here also mixes tobacco with joints. only people who use bongs etc are the real DUDE WEED types.

t. used to be a DUDE WEED stoner in my teen years but stopped now and find it degenerate
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>>66743045
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6gqPvmKxPE
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>>66743166
i'm not dutch lad, just here on exchange but I agree that dutch is not as ugly as people make it out to be.
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