Were native americans really as innocent as they are portrayed?

>>66646671
No

First thing most tribes did when they got their hands on rifles was exterminating that rival tribe we've been fighting for centuries and taking their land, women and horses.

haha
No.
More innocent than Americans, though.

>>66646719
They weren't

>>66646671
Oh no and it's absolutly retarded to believe they were innocent.
I noticed some people love talking about "amerindian genocide" with very very early conquest of caribbeans islands with the disappearance of Tainos and applicate this to the american indians to got some "romantic image"

they were no genocide, it was just people who massivaly died of diseases like smallpox.

>>66646671
Do a bunch of primitive retards who scalp people sound innocent to you? I'm glad they're extinct.

>>66646729
sorry, I forget that American cruelty is justified by God and Manifest Destiny, therefore good.

>>66646753
>extinct
I wish...

>>66646671
>muh noble savages

>>66646763
White people > Scalping savages desu

>>66646793
>White people
You aren't white, eh?

>>66646745
>they were no genocide, it was just people who massivaly died of diseases like smallpox.

this so much

>>66646793
yeah, barbaric, scalping people in their soil instead of using some territory in Cuba fuck them

>>66646671
dindu nuffin
>muh rival tribe competition
literally kys lmoa

>>66646753
>>66646778
>>66646793
beady eyed anglo peasants acting tough on the internet

Yes all they did was basically talking with animals and being one with nature, until the man arrived

>>66646763
>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enoch_Brown_school_massacre
They started our rich history of school killings

Kys you fucking retard

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>>66646745
yeah, hehe

>>66646910
brutal.

>>66646910
Fucking natives killing the foreign children occupying their territory
When will they learn that what you do is killing foreign children in their territory with drones. That's civilized.

>>66646864
>mongol
>calling anybody a peasant

>>66646926
You do know that is complete bullshit right? Nobody knew enough about germ warfare or infectious diseases in general to deliberately infect a blanket.

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>>66646989
dude check your flag

>>66647098
what about it?
are you implying that you know Portuguese colonial history?
Because you clearly don't.

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>all these lies eternal anglo spreads to justify this brutal conquest and genocide

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Noble Savages.

<<< Ignoble Savages

Think of them of sorta like Scandis during the Viking age minus the metal for swords and armor and shit.

>>66647238
t. christian propagandist

>>66646989
>Portugal criticizing anyone for being cruel
>>66647146
Ah yes very noble. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enoch_Brown_school_massacre

>>66646671
No

T. Native

>>66647380
see >>66647139

>>66646926
This is complete bullshit, there are just one or two "historically cases" of this and there are no real proof (Siege of Fort Pitt), it also happened before the united states were a real country.

the most retarded thing is they learn in french school that giving infected blankets to indians was a generalized thing, why french people are so fucking obsessed by the supposed "amerindian genocide"? just to annoy american? strangely they don't gives a fuck about indians outside the united states.

>>66647460
It makes Euros feel better about all the genocide that happened in Europe since the United States has a dark history too.

>tfw my tribe fucked up the dakota people

Thank you Britain for the guns

>>66647075
That's wrong.

>>66646671

In between fighting the white man they just savagely fought each other as they had done before us crackers arrived.

Sure honkeys weren't very nice to them, but it isn't like they were a bunch of peaceful, tree hugging, wise, peace pipe smoking, band of Robin's merry men.

Hell some of the earliest Europeans to settle in America formed alliances with tribes by helping them wipe out and attack rival tribes using their firearms.

>>66647650
Proofs? All anyone ever comes up with is >>66647460 and even then it never actually happened.

>>66647460
>the most retarded thing is they learn in french school that giving infected blankets to indians was a generalized thing
we are taught that pilgrims/brits were literally involved in biological warfare on a massive scale against indians.

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My tribe also fucked up the Sioux, Lakota, and Fox tribes.

>>66647460

And the siege of Fort Pitt was mainly broke due to the Natives defeat at the battle of Bushy Run.

Seals spread smallpox. even if no blankets were given they would have died anyway through physical contact with settlers(just a lot slower).

>>66647714
Literally bullshit. We didn't deliberately infect people, and even then what'd be the point? Just natural exposure killed plenty.

>>66647788
of course it is. in Sweden the noble savage/peaceful spiritualist view of Indians reigns supreme.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFUevXe0-H8

I cry everynight when i remember them

>>66646671
the tribe in your picture is the Sioux who were true neutral

>>66647887
>this "human" garbage comes to my country
Make it stop, Hueland, make it stop.

>>66647830
But the noble savage is a dumb idea too. It implies that Natives were basically dumb fairy people who lived incredibly peaceful lives hunting and fishing since the dawn of time. When in reality they had wars and fought each other all the time, the population was low and spread out with no modern weaponry and unit tactics so nothing ever really got done and hardly anybody died. The Sioux and Lakota alone bullied the entire midwest as nomads who took advantage of other sedentary tribes.

>>66647936
Hating based natives
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l469uaunv6A
wh*tes out

>>66647976
i meant to memearrow that

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>>66647976
Whatever you say

>>66648034
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8tWXHgzvoc
White man give land back

>>66648078
Didn't you sell it for beads n shieet

>>66647363
t granorok the fearless

>>66646671
They were basically constantly at war and big fans of kidnappingamd raiding. A favorite torture if Algonquins was to jam splinters under fingernails and light then in fire. Originally in the French Indian war they were paid for ears they turned in until an officer supposedly found native kids with their ears cut off.

We also know a lot about them because wherever they went they left huge garbage piles and burned the forests to make hunting easier. So they weren't any more in touch with nature than the consists.

>>66646763
You might want to read up on them. They were fans of torture and slaughtering whole families.

>>66647887
holey shit that video was actually lolly

>>66646753
Even in the areas heavily settled in the original 13 they still exist and the tribes out west are even bigger.

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Yes, they dindu nuffin wrong.

Aztecs were on route to becoming similar to Europe with greater disadvantages and in faster time.

>>66646745
This. Whole villages in New England were wiped out through contracting small pox befote Pilgrims even landed.

Actual Native here. Am laughing at all of you while I collect my casino bucks lmaooooooo

What happened to them /int/?
Evil injuns killed them all?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roanoke_Colony#The_Lost_Colony

I see no teason why amerinds werent completely elimated if so then 700 million people would be european.

A true socialist would be for the humane removal of unpriviliged races.

>>66646671
Taino Amerindians?

HELL YEAH they were


Mainland Amerindians?

Cruel sociopathic monsters devoid of humanity

>all these butthurt /pol/ tards
wew

>>66647460
>they learn in french school that giving infected blankets to indians was a generalized thing

stop lying anon.

>>66649667
>be taino
>greet goreigners with gold and good will
>get exterminated and enslaved
>they bring NIGGERS to the land
Enough.

>>66649608
They didn't know how to cook, farm or hunt for shit (because they landed in a swamp) then eventually ate each other

>>66646774
We wish

>>66649657
See it like this all those amerinds would be dead today either way the difference is that with their deaths the european race got to expand and give this rich safe state to the world.

>>66647566
Based

We used to sell native Americans weapons, which they used to wage war against each other. Not sure if that is innocent.

We also provided the majority of the arms and military supplies in the American independence war, so we kept the tradition up.

>>66647714
Most small pox damage happened even before the Brits settled. Explorers traded with them as well as some fishermen (Europeans kept pushing west as they depleted local stocks).

>>66649801
I see it like this, momentary suffering is nothing only the world that children inherit, do you want a primitive inferior non white one or a superior white one.

>>66647713
>it never actually happened
Are you actually fucking retarded?

>>66649608
Possibly ate each other, more likely scattered into the wilds to live with the injuns. Early on, some colonists (especially women) found the injun life more agreeable considering they had access to food and status that they didn't have in colonial villages, so they'd run off to get that BRC (big red cock).

>>66649519
How many casino bucks do you get in a month?

I thought South American natives were extinct, or were so diluted that you couldn't even really call them native. Pls explain SA bros

>>66647963
>the noble savage is a dumb idea too
I've never figured out why so many people fall for it. Common sense aside if you take an anthropology class it's one of the first things they tell you is utter bullshit.

>>66649875
>implying white peopel are any better than niggers

just because white people are better at inventing ways to oppress and kill more by the numbers doesnt make them anymore fit for survival.

>>66649875
The facts are for the comman man being white and being in a white society beats being a common non white man in a white society, it was the inherit right of God for the superior races to expand at the momentary suffering of a few that would bring about much more joy to the world and a higher standard of privilige.

>>66648078
Doesn't Brazil have very little native population and even people mixed with natives?

>>66646671
They were actually very sophisticated, leaving Mesoamericans and Incans aside, navigating the demands of nomadic lifestyles did require both cultural sophistication as well as political saavy in dealing with the numerous potentially dangerous encounters this would expose you to, warfare was also a fact of life and survival hinged on being able to deal in both the ruthlessness of necessary evil as well as friendly diplomacy.

Having said that the arrival of Europeans was preceded by the diseases they had brought with them which left their world in disarray, entire tribes were wiped out by the loss of key leaders and knowledgeable individuals, social order broke down for many and it didn't help that in the chaos some native Americans adopted highly predatory tactics, to the detriment of the most peaceful and settled peoples.

The story of Ishi would unfortunately be an example of what became the fate of many.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishi

The Indian who saves Dicaprio in The Revenant also comes to mind, for any it must have felt as an apocalyptic world and people who never had the chance to learn from their elders and barely managing survival became easy prey for Europeans. Some of these would have likely appeared as extremely naive, particularly if they came to see originally non aggressive people as a chance for survival.

In much of what is today northern Mexico and the American southwest many sought out the misiones and joining Spaniards/Mexicans/Americans, even if it meant exploitation, as a way to escape the raids of the Apache and the Comanche. People in those conditions were not likely in a position to bargain and had to accept whatever was offered to them. Some probably died simply because they were unable to comunicate.

>>66649993
>just because white people are better at inventing ways to oppress and kill more by the numbers doesnt make them anymore fit for survival.
I didn't know they already legalized weed in poland.

>>66649950
Ours is pretty successful so I rake in a lot I'll leave it at that

>>66650010
They were and are inferior.

>>66649608
IIRC later British found natives in the area with features like green eyes and lighter hair so some may have survived and just joined local native tribes. At the same time they disappeared starving colonists basically sold themselves into psuedo-state slavery just for food.

>>66649875
>I see it like this, momentary suffering is nothing only the world that children inherit, do you want a primitive inferior non white one or a superior white one.

It's quite obvious you're a fat virgin neckbeard. Where's ur mom im gonna CHIEF her

>>66650059
Prove it

>>66650059
>this was built in around 200 years
>larger than London at the time
>on a fucking lake
>by once wandering nomads

Reminder: Aztecs were the first civilization to make education mandatory.

>>66650059
Please post a picture of yourself

>>66650031
What tribe I know some Mohegans. Their college was totally paid for.

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>>66650182
Forgot pic

>>66650201
Ha, no.

White duptemacist?
I am a human socialist.

>>66650059
No, they weren't, it might have as well been an alien invasion to them leaving aside shit like the biological warfare settlers in your country sometimes resorted to (those smallpox blankets) on the contrary, that so many adapted so fast to the new conditions is remarkable, horses are a good example.

There's no objective argument you can make on this one, immunity to disease it's not a matter of evolution but conditions, eg most of us would be wiped out just as bad by smallpox if it ever came back.

>>66650216
Pit River. And yeah you can do that, but it's not the college's giving you a free ride it's basically the tribe. Which is unfair, but it is what it is.

>>66650201
How do you explain the superiority of the natural God purposes of racial exapansion in USA Canada Falklands Australia New Zealand and everywhere the white race was conscious in its preservence and expansion vs the inferior mixed and non white ones?

>>66646671
Fuck no, the noble savage was the beginnings of white guilt. PC bullshit today is the modern version of white mans burden.

Native Americans differed depending on the tribe. The most powerful and feared tribes were brutal savages. A lot of the smaller ones were more peaceful but they all got obliterated by old world diseases.

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>>66650344

>>66650251
>I am a human socialist
No, you're just a massive faggot lmao. Now post a picture of yourself fatty

>>66650279
They were thoudamds of years behind on technology, state, politics and such.

They had little to no written language, an iferior governmental systwm, havent used wheels, no medicine, practically no government.

>>66650388
please fuck off with your, what, like 7 or 8 years old now reddit memes

>>66650344
Please please please be bait (you just outed yourself as being a fat piece of shit by posting that too)

>>66650475
Why do you live in a suppossed unferior state born from racial consciousness?

>>66650539
Not every native lives on a rez tard

>>66650539
Racial conscious immoral states, usa, canada, falklands, iceland, new zealand, australis

Now look at the anti race states, braxil, colombia venezuela etc..

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>>66650182
this desu

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>>66650411
>They were thoudamds of years behind on technology, state, politics and such.
And ahead on sustainable agriculture, atronomy, mathematics, etc
>They had little to no written language
Some did, those who led nomadic lives based on storytelling did not
>an iferior governmental systwm,
The founding fathers were jealous of the Indians civic structure and based some of their new ideals on it
havent used wheels
They aren't very useful without any animals to pull them. They did have small wheels for things like toys
>no medicine
Medicine at least as advanced as their European counterparts, many ingedients in modern medicine came from Indians
>practically no government.
See above, from the very Democratic meritocracy of the 5 tribes or the advanced theocracy of Measoarmerica.

You're just ignorant.

>>66650657
Anti Race states are the ones with the most suffering, pure pro race states are the ones with the greater standard of living, which is more moral?

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>>66650411
Actually they did have government, try reading on where the inspiration for your federated government came from.

>Written language
They had less than one fifth the time the old world had to develop that and still Mesoamericans did manage to come up with not just written language but historical records and advanced mathematics including zero.By comparison northern Europe never independently developed those things.

>Wheels
But they did have them, they used something similar to the old world's potter's wheel and the spindle whorl, the Aztecs had toys with wheels, they never developed carts for the simple reason they had no suitable beasts of burden and canoes were far more practical in their environment.

>medicine
But they did have it, it was in fact South American quinine whioch finally did allow Europeans to colonize Africa without being wiped out by malaria. The old world didn't have scientific medcine at the time of conquest either and were relying on fucking leeches and cleaning their mouths with urine, the Aztecs were far more advanced than that, they had fucking loos with septic systems at a time people in Europe were emptying their chamber pots in the street.

Seriously man, how ignorant are you?

>>66650755
What the fuck is a pro race state?

>>66650739
I'm not disagreeing with you, but weren't mesoamerican tribes fairly theocratic? At least the aztecs and mayans?

>>66650755
Which is of Gods will the inferior ones or the superior?

>>66650813
>they had fucking loos with septic systems at a time people in Europe were emptying their chamber pots in the street.

Romans had sewer systems m8.

>>66650851
I think he's referencing the dark ages

Oh wait, those don't exist on here. After Rome collapsed, everything was just daisies and rose yep

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>>66650251
>I am a human socialist.

>>66650837
Yes, that's why I said they were a theocracy in my last point.

Also, remember that Her Majesty holds Her position "by the grace of God" and that She's the head of the Anglican church.

>>66650755
Except there were never "pure" race states, the US depended on slavery since almost fucking day one, countries like Canada and Australia were near irrelevant unproductive hells prior to the 20th century, meanwhile Mexico was the wealthiest nation on earth during the colonial period, it of course didn't get to keep what it produced.

>>66650851
They did, but most of Europe failed to use them, and certainly between the fall of Rome and the Renaissance.

>>66650851
Europeans at the time of conquest didn't

http://www.mexicolore.co.uk/aztecs/home/clean-aztecs-dirty-spaniards

>>66650940
USA was a pure race state, mixing was illegal and portable garden equipmemt couldnt leave the garden.

>>66650967
>le dark ages maymay
shut the fuck up leaf

>>66650972
Spaniards had toilets you starving indio.

>>66650886
Early Middle Ages was a lot more complicated than just "Dark" and "not Dark"

>>66651040
DESIGNATED

>>66650940
The core if america the 200 million whites have 0% non euro dna.

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>>66650886
>on here
This is not some fucking 4chan meme, no serious historian nowadays will use that term. Read a fucking book you idiotic child.

>>66650886
In some respects they were less advanced, but in others they weren't.

In particular, the armies were more technologically advanced than Roman ones. Chain mail was very new at the very end of the Western Roman Empire. Castle infrastructure, swords, catapults, and eventually plate armor were all things that were technological improvements.

>>66650917
Whups missed that, only saw Meritocracy. My bad
>>66651040
Lmao. I bet your ancestors were wallowing in the mud and taking big germanic dick in 543

>>66650940
>irrelevant, unproductive, hells

Don't be ignorant

>>66651153
Ahhhhh is the bong's feelings hurt? :(

>>66651047
kek, you cannot read? I fucking linked you to an article explainig the situation both in mexico and Europe.

>>66651016
Oh yes, bringing Africans as slaves and segregating them worked out great for you #BLM

>>66651164
Lorica Hamata was used during the Roman Republic though

>>66650279
>immunity to disease it's not a matter of evolution but conditions

There is no way americans are retarded enough to believe something else, right?

who /native/ itt

>>66651185
A single port in europe produced more revenue for soain than all the indians in the americas.

>>66651176
His ancestors could've been the Big Germanic Cock® though

>>66651239
>>66651176
>durr look how retarded I am
fuck off retard

>>66651272
I can no longer tell when these guys are genuine racists or just trolling tbqh, I think they troll themselves into becoming racist tbqh, yes they can be THAT stupid

>>66649958
Paraguay, Bolivia and Peru have tons of full blooded natives, with millions of speakers of indigenous languages. In most of South America they just mixed with Spaniards.

>>66651292
Yes, which is why Spain came and took all the gold YOU FUCKING RETARD HOLY SHIT

>>66651369
Little revenue, price crashed.

>>66651327
yea ur mum has definitely been CHIEFED

>>66651292
Mexico was richer than Canada, and a much more important colony, initially.
That doesn't make colonial Canada irrelevant, hellish, or unproductive.

>>66651422
Mexico produced very little.

Flanders alone produced more than entire new world.

>>66651292
No, this is objectively not true, Mexico has been the world's largest producer of silver for the last half a millenia, and this is even after the Spaniards stumbled into amountain literally made of the stuff in Bolivia.

>>66651482
That's not really productive though. Just taking raw resources is Africa-tier economy.

Manufacturing and finished goods is how you know your civilized.

>>66651479
How the hell could 99% illeterate indians produce anything than the shittiest thing of no trade value

>>66651422
ok, I apologize if it was an insensitive comment, I'm talking relative to Mexico and Peru

This thread is pretty good imo. Indians were just people. Some were pretty chill. Some were dumb, violent savages. Some were really smart but still violent as fuck. Some of them got a raw deal. Some of them got exactly what they deserved. We should look at this like we do other historical events. Fuck white supremacy AND white guilt.

>>66651292
Different work ethic
>They agreed to work at it viribus et posse, and began at once to divide the task between them, and I must say that they worked so hard, and with such good will, that in less than four days they constructed a fine bridge, over which the whole of the men and horses passed. So solidly built it was, that I have no doubt it will stand for upwards of ten years without breaking — unless it is burnt down — being formed by upwards of one thousand beams, the smallest of which was as thick round as a man's body, and measured nine or ten fathoms in length, without counting a great quantity of lighter timber that was used as planks. And I can assure your Majesty that I do not believe there is a man in existence capable of explaining in a satisfactory manner the dexterity which these lords of Tenochtitlan, and the Indians under them, displayed in constructing the said bridge: I can only say that it is the most wonderful thing that ever was seen.

>>66651482
Little value.

>>66651525
It's not about insensitivity, this isn't a fucking safe space. You mention Quinine being necessary for the colonisation of Africa but not something like the timber that built Britain's fleets.

>>66651523
Cant build ships steel iron copper or anything

>>66651552
fug, I forgot, source is Corte's fifth letter to Charles V

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>>66651550
What you perceive as white supremacy is just a kneejerk reaction to white guilt. Of course if you're told your entire life that you're an ebul white devil living on stolen land you're going to dismiss natives as idiot teepeeniggers when in an anonymous environment to let off steam.

>>66651550
Problem is people want to look at them as a monolithic group for easy generalizations. The individual tribes is what matters.

Though there being barely any natives left certainly doesn't help.

>>66651659
Yeah I agree. Whenever I get into a convo with people about Injuns irl that's one of the first things I'm sure to mention. The Algonquin have fuck all to do with the Apache besides them both being brown people.

>>66651520
That may be but for the era refining metal was a complex industrial operation and the profits alone allowed Spain to remain a feudal fucking system well into the 18th century, capitalism as it exists today would have never been posible without the S´panish main pumping the European system full of currency while simultaneously allowing for commerce with Asia, which certainly wasn't accepting fiat currency back then.

Also it was far from being Mexico's sole contribution, Spanish conquest was largely made posible bcause the Aztecs had a large road/aqueduct/agricultural network and Mexico even provided the soldiers as in pictured.

The reason even today stocks in wall street are divided in eights was the Spanish real/Mexican peso, exports of livestock, carne seca and permican from mexico to the US were vital for the East coast's early economy.

>>66651364
Paraguay has very little pure natives though. The thing is that most of them are proud of their part native heritage.

>>66651727
Wtf are you on about, extra gold just became inflated.

>>66651624
Oh yeah, you had fuckloads of wood and fur, whop de do, there's a reason canada remained a mostly unpopulated frozen hell for much of the colonial period. Oh, wait, I should correct that since you only became independent of British parliament in fucking 1982 you fucking colony.

>>66651740
Paraguayans arent native apologists though, theyd gladly welcome a better off civilization.

>>66651799
Necer seen paraguayans excuse native failures.

>>66651773
No man, read on the Folger's and how the silver/gold Spain injected into bankers in Austria/Switzerland allowed for capital to finance loans which got europe's economy moving, it's not the modern age we are talking about with bullion fucking changing value on a near hourly basis.

>>66651795
As I sit in this poor shithole, frozen and barely inhabited, I often wish I lived somewhere wealthy and first world like Mexico.
If only we had followed you example.

>>66651653
So you're justifying racism on being a fucking girl who needs to vent her feelings? ffs

>>66651653
>that pic
It's funny though because Thanksgiving actually has nothing to do with Indians.
>>66651869
Yeah he's full of shit. The sad thing is that people on both sides tend to be more interested in using history to push a political narrative than just being an impartial observer. (Moreso those on the left at this point though because unabashed white supremacist attitudes aren't particularly common anymore.)

>>66646687
fp,bp

>>66651862
history is like that, we had th new world's first university and first printing press and a fuckload of colonial legacy like pictured. No one stays on top forever nor at the bottom, you do realize your turning your "pure white" countries into multi-cultural nations only delays countries with better conditions taking over as the world's dominant powers for a few decades, don't you?

What fucking future is there for you when your superior race cannot even manage the simple task of procreation?

>>66651975
>Moreso those on the left at this point
by saying that you're participating in it all

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>>66646671
Fuck no, not even nowadays.

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>>66647075
>being this naive

>>66652044
They don't even look native, they all look like niggers to me.

Are they pullin a WE WUZ NATIVES IN SHEEEIIITTT?

>that portushit trying to claim moral superiority

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_Colonial_War

The difference is just that Poortugal became Europes Mexico, so it isnt as hip to be edgy against liek the US

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>>66649958
There are tons of natives here in Peru. The quechua are the biggest group.
The average highland peruvian is 95% native american, this girl is 99%
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l12eckFp2tM

>>66652104
Germ theory wasn't accepted until 1850, before then people believed in miasma and spontaneous generation. Disease just 'happened'.

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>>66646671
>Tfw Burgers genocide your ancestors
Feels bad man

>>66652207
They did understand contagion, people fucking burned down houses people had died in back then.

>>66652178
Yeah, you don't want to get into the misconceptions people on this board have about mestizos/native americans.

>>66652044
Many of those are black/mixed with black, it's Brazil

>>66652178
Yeah I can see it, I can actually tell peruvians apart from that look.

No offense but Peruvians are some of the most shit-tier spic immigrants. Almost all narcos or gang bangers.

>>66652027
Nah. I'm just reporting my observations. It's far more common for the noble savage/evil european narrative to be perpetuated at this time than for anyone to espouse white supremacist ideology. Just read this thread. They're teaching these simplistic and false viewpoints in even France and Sweden. We learn the same stuff here in high school. Most people aren't history geeks so they believe that stuff for their entire lives. People here still believe Thanksgiving is actually about Pilgrims and Indians ffs.

Also yes, the "PoxBlanket" thing is historical nonsense.

Yes european diseases killed off most of the native population, way beyond what any colonization ever did, but that Happened fucking hundert to hundreds of years before, partially through Viking Settlements in whats now New Foundland and then the spanish, and not by US. Citizens licking blankets or rubbing poxpatients over blankets and then cackling while they gave them to poor freezing Indians.

Jesus fuck, at the time where most natives died by european plagues most europeans cosidered plagues to be transmitted by smell, the devil or lol I unno.

This nonsense is like sayingthe black death was deliberately brought to Europe to end the feudal system

>>66652336
I wish they were all kill desu

>>66646671
No group of people is innocent. And using the term native american in such a manner is as retarded as using the term european (which you faggots do irregardless of the situation).

There were a ton of different peoples that lived here, each having their own wars, history, religions.

>>66652405
Native Americans tend to be the most socially conservative people in Latin America, anyway that Trump crap about crime has been suffiiently debunked at this point, what's with beating on a dead horse?

Oh also maybe the Aztecs wouldnt have gotten defeated if they werent forcing the fucking Hungergames on their neighbors for centuries.

Cortez and his few men would never have had enough firepower to beat the Aztecs, but they got tremendous support from native tribes who really fucking hated the Aztecs for beeing humongous dicks who led war against them for the sole purpose of capturing living human sacrifices.

But lets forget that because only whitey ever did bad stuff waah waaah wahhh

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>>66646671
>any kind of americans
>innocent

>>66652429
You people have a big problem dealing with established historical facts, let me guess you're also a holocaust denier?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Fort_Pitt#Biological_warfare_involving_smallpox

>>66652566
Cant bmdebunk truf i live with you indian motherfuckers.

>>66652402
Again, Miasma theory. If it smelled bad then it meant it was bad for you.

I guess you could make a point that they could have dipped the blankets in something fowl before selling them, but that's somewhat far fetched imo. All the evidence we have was an offhand quote from am irrelevant British officer

>>66652620
The Aztecs were simply top dog, the Tlaxcaltecs were a part of the same ethnicity/culture/religion and they used the flower wars to capture Aztecs themselves for their sacrifices, it isn't as if the Aztecs were oppresing them, the only reason Tlaxcala was allowed independence is that it was useful for the empire to mantain this bit of status quo. And more people supported the Aztecs than rallied against them during the siege of Tenochtitlan, seriously, why don't youteach us more about our history?

>>66652566
What do you mean? One of my best friends parents are illegals, I know they ain't all shit, but there is a good amount who are.

A lot of the old towns and neighborhoods where I live are just barrios filled with crime from illegals.

>>66652642
The vast majority of Indians who died of smallpox in the Americas died well before this incident occured. Smallpox is a contagious disease. It would be incredibly stupid to believe that it only devastated Indian population due to malicious intent.

>>66652684
"This event is well known for the documented instances of biological warfare. British officers, including the top British commanding generals, ordered, sanctioned, paid for and conducted the use of smallpox against the Native Americans. As described by one historian, "there is no doubt that British military authorities approved of attempts to spread smallpox among the enemy", and "it was deliberate British policy to infect the indians with smallpox".[6]"

Seriously gringo, what's with you and fucking reading?

>>66652684
Holy shit you're a fucking dumbass

>>66652684
Eh, It was known for a long time there was a correlation between getting infected and being near someone who was or being in their home with stuff they contact with.

It's why they would burn down or forbid people from going into the homes of plague victims during the black death.

>>66652805
The issue here is whether there were deliberate atempts, and there were. Add that to the US fucing breaking every treaty it ever signed and conducting a deliberate ethnic cleansing campaign, what the fuck do they teach you in school?

>>66652789
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/07/02/surprise-donald-trump-is-wrong-about-immigrants-and-crime/

>>66652967
>https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/07/02/surprise-donald-trump-is-wrong-about-immigrants-and-crime/

That confirms my suspicions. Many of the parents/kids who come here just try to work and educate themselves, but the ones born here are usually fucking trash. They develop this "fuck you" attitude ghetto culture.

They are still a problem with illegal immigration. They wouldn't be being born here if there wasn't so much of it.

>>66646745
and tainos were prety chil, they were innocent not like amerinigger natives


too bad theyre gone

There's no innocent people or culture in this world. There's just those who survive and those who don't.

>>66652967
>The issue here is whether there were deliberate atempts, and there were.
There was one, yes.
>Add that to the US fucking breaking every treaty it ever signed
Not exactly accurate, but yes, treaties were signed and then not honored.
>and conducting a deliberate ethnic cleansing campaign, what the fuck do they teach you in school?
Again, this is hyperbole. My question is why do we have to act like conquests from a couple hundred years ago make the U.S. some especially evil place? This is just a part of history and not an especially brutal one when you put it into context. It seems like you're more interested in garnering sympathy/guilt than just discussing historical events.

>>66652766

>The Aztecs were simply top dog

Oh, so it was okay for them then?
So, maybe the europeans were just the new top dog? Its not my fault Native Americans were too shit to either offer any real resistance on their own, or unit against the Europeans. Or develop weapons and military disciplines capable of offering real resistance.

I bet Euope is also at fault for Mexico beeing a giant shithole nobody wants to live in.
It couldnt have been that it was and still is settled by faggots who think beheading and chooping your enemies into limb-puzzles is a great fucking idea. Because as you said yourself, your nation has a tradition of beeing bloodthirsty fucknuggets. I mean hey, you already called me a Nazi, so why should I care.

Also, what I find fucking funny is you also bitching about the US breaking treaties and treating your nation so badly. Because hey, it isnt like Juarez overthrew Maximilian and came into Power because the US gave him a shitton of support.But lets fucking ignore that your great reformer came into Power through US help, but then you would have to see this whole thing as shades of grey and not "Whitey evil cheaters /Natives betrayed Masterrace"

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Shit tainos got maximum cucked.

>>66653646
20%ish amerind dna in puerto ricans come exclusively from pussy.

>>66652766
>it isn't as if the Aztecs were oppresing them
this, the embargo was just a prank bruh

>>66653576
>it isnt like Juarez overthrew Maximilian
cus it was the other way around

>the US gave him a shitton of support
lmao https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McLane%E2%80%93Ocampo_Treaty

>>66652402
>>66647650
>They did understand contagion
No.
They understood it was bad luck, but bad luck is different from literal disease spreaders.
Heritage of tainted clothes wasn't banned in Norway until 1885, which literally killed of several diseases.

Siege of Fort Pitt happened in 1763.
Now, they might have thought right and understood direct contagion from directly tainted clothes.

>>66654044
> but the Liberals had the support of several state governments in the north and central-west and the administration of US President James Buchanan. A treaty between the two governments, the McLane-Ocampo Treaty was signed in December 1859, although Buchanan was unable to secure ratification of the treaty by the US Congress. Nevertheless, the aid received enabled the liberals to overcome the conservatives' initial military advantage; Juárez's government successfully defended Veracruz from assault twice during 1860 and recaptured Mexico City on 1 January 1861.

>In response to the French invasion and the elevation of Maximilian, Juárez sent General Plácido Vega y Daza to California to gather Mexican American sympathy for Mexico's plight. Maximilian offered Juárez amnesty and later even the post of prime minister, but Juárez refused to accept a government "imposed by foreigners" or a monarchy. The government of the United States was sympathetic to Juárez, refusing to recognize Maximilian and opposing the French invasion as a violation of the Monroe Doctrine, but it was distracted by the American Civil War. Following the end of the war, US President Andrew Johnson demanded the French evacuate Mexico and imposed a naval blockade in February of 1866.

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>>66653250
No man, it's about narrative, the whole point of this shitt bait thread is shitting on native Americans, which I'm not btw, and so we've argued about any kind of ridiculous argument armchair historians in trailer parks can think of that supports their being somehow inferior. They 're not, that's the only point I'm driving at. There was an unfair, deliberate policy to cleanse them out of the land in your country and many vile actions were taken to ensure that. Discussing hstory is about facts.

>>66653576
It's a different context, the argument here has never been about European colonialism and other than the return of some historical artifacts no one is asking for reparations, you seem to be forgetting the descendants of the conquistadores, as well as the Aztecs, are the people who live in ths country. Again this is about facts, the conquest of Mexico had nothing to do with its people being in any way inferior to any other.

As for Maximilian, that's a dumb fuck point for you to make, what does it have to do with anything you triggered cuck? I don't think Juárez, as the legitimate represebntative of a democratically elected government had any treaty obligation to foreign invaders.

Yeah, I don't care about white supremacists spouting the might is right argument to abuse a people they nearly destroyed and this is what fucking American edgelords are doing, but don't confuse that with my country's history, whatever our beef with the Americans over what they're doing to us today has nothing to do with Europe, and your wanting to suck American cock doesn't make it so.

>>66654100
see
>>66652819

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No. They weren't an innocent peaceful people. They weren't a dumb people by any means (they have higher IQs than a nigger, an arab, an abo, and south-asians) but they constantly fought among eachother just like any other group of people do in the world.

>they stagnated for 12,000 years and didn't develop anything new
>a group of technologically superior people come by, see that they aren't even using 90% of their land, settle the lands that aren't being used
>native americans start getting violent because "b-but that's muh land" despite their nearest tribes being hundreds of kilos away
>stupidly think the introduction of European diseases was intentional
>start attacking European people
>European people rightfully defend themselves
>European people push on the offensive and completely roflstomp them

They started it.

>>66654502
>No man, it's about narrative, the whole point of this shitt bait thread is shitting on native Americans, which I'm not btw, and so we've argued about any kind of ridiculous argument armchair historians in trailer parks can think of that supports their being somehow inferior.
Some of it has been. For the most point it's just been pointing out how the mainstream cultural narrative about Indians isn't really accurate.
>They 're not, that's the only point I'm driving at. There was an unfair, deliberate policy to cleanse them out of the land in your country and many vile actions were taken to ensure that. Discussing hstory is about facts.
I don't view peoples as inherently superior or inferior. But whining about how unfair American policies and attitudes toward Indians were does make it look like you've just got a bone to pick. Being "fair" to Natives, in all honesty, would have been rather difficult for our government to achieve, (it wasn't exactly easy to control settlers in those days), and also pretty stupid. When we talk about Alexander the Great, Roman conquests, Mongolian invasions, the Arabic conquests etc. rarely will you hear people talking about fairness or morality. But when we talk about European colonialism or American geopolitical initiatives, people like you always seem to be quick to point out what big meanies they were. It's childish and shows that you lack historical perspective imo.

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no one is
no one ever will be
we are all born in the same
we are all to blame

This thread just made me realize how true the stereotype of Americans being retarded is holy shit

As for your question, of course they weren't "noble", they were as savage as Europeans, there is not a single civilization in the world that could call themselves "nobles", since the beginning of humanity humans have been making plans about how to kill your neighbors because power it's all that matter to us.

>>66655675
Yes, Americans are retarded. I hear El Salvador is where the intellectuals hang out.

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of course they weren't as innocent as portrayed, nobody is

for example the allies in WW2, they were pretty horrible

Hell no...

>based mapuches ein sheeit.

http://www.badassoftheweek.com/galvarino.html

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>>66655831
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mWtWz_aGyk
You guys are really stupid

>>66646705
>horses

>>66655943
Nobody bothers to take a video camera and ask questions to people in Turkey. Check the avg IQ stats by country.

>>66646864
>hungary

aha funny post anon

>>66655839
Sometimes I forget how autistic Patton was.

>>66656077
hi NY

>>66655943
>Turkey
>A country named after a FUCKING BIRD
I just can't take t*rkroaches seriously

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>>66656166
That bird named after our country stupid faggıt
>%60
Kill yourself

>>66656314
>0%

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>>66656595
We are not white we are living for making whites butthurt -which is going to extinct soon at world- we are steppe warriors and we will destroy you with help of our greatest ally

>>66647460
We don't study american history in school. Stop lying.

>>66646671
Innocent? No. Did they get the short end of the stick and get fucked? Yes.

Some were fairly peaceful and others were extremely violent, much like the settlers

People here are autistic so they think the only two possibilities are "all indians were barbaric savages that deserved extermination" and "all indians lived in peace and sang kumbaya together"

Silver and Gold were only valuable because the European economy was more developed than the amount of coins they had.
When Musa I of Mali did his pilgrimage to Mecca he devastated the entire economy in north africa and the arabian peninsula because he gave out to much gold.
So if you don't already have the economy it's all useless

How come USA Americans didn't mix with natives very much? In pretty much all Latin American countries there are sizable native/colonist mix populations.

>>66655181
Here's a thing, you judge people by the standards of their time. When the Spaniards took Tenochtitlan they did ultimately belief they were delivering their peoples from satanism into Christianity. It wasn't that everything they did was moral but they could justify to some extent some evil thinking it would achieve a greater good. By the standards of his era however Cortés was a treasonous weasel, he betrayed his word to Cuauhtemoc to have him tortured and afterwards killeed, he did the first for greed, the second out of cowardice.

The way Americans dealt with native Americans was scandalous for the standards of its time, even under the terms of the white man's burden and manifest destiny. It was scandalous and much of it condemned not only in Europe but in the US itself, much the same as slavery or the Mexican American war. It was against the law, it was against Christian morals and it was against the principles of civilized society, some of the men who participated in these acts lived to regret it.

This is pretty much like arguing that what the Nazis did was correct in its context and that we should just let it be as water under the bridge. It has nothing to do with the perpetrators being white much the same as we don't condone Pol Pot, Idi Amin or Ataturk for their respective actions.

>>66658690
spaniards were disgusting horny moors

>>66658731
The utter delusion..

You're willing to chalk up 300 years of Spanish colonization to them being misguided Christians trying to save Indians from the devil, but you're quick to condemn those damn yanks. Surely the historical record would not indicate any acquisition of wealth on their part.

Why? Because to some extent you identify with their culture and feel a sense of kinship with them. Part of Mexican culture is butthurt about us taking some of your clay, and you've fallen victim to a narrative. No shame, most people do. You should think about it a bit though.

>>66646793
like you guys didn't scalp them too

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scalping

Then again
>Author and historian Mark van de Logt wrote, "Although military historians tend to reserve the concept of 'total war' for conflicts between modern industrial nations, the term nevertheless most closely approaches the state of affairs between the Pawnees and the Sioux and Cheyennes. Noncombatants were legitimate targets. Indeed, the taking of a scalp of a woman or child was considered honorable because it signified that the scalp taker had dared to enter the very heart of the enemy's territory.
Heathen savages they were.

>>66658690
Entire families came over versus a bunch of single horny Moors.

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>>66652104
>being this native

>>66647733
Huron scum OUT

the brits did the right thing, and even portuguese were alright, but spaniards literally killed thousands upon thousands them for pleasure, they should feel a bit embarrased to be honest.

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>>66646671
have white americans ever achieved anything note-worthy?

>>66669814
>Guy who invented hair straightener
AYO HOL UP

>>66646671
Long answer, look up Comanche
Short answer, no.

>>66646671
I don't know for the past but everyone hates them here because they shamelessly claim sovereignty over thousands of square km of land but also because they claim they have their ''ancestral rights'' giving them the right to hunt and fish all year long when in fact all they do is rid the forests and lakes from their wildlife by over-harvesting fish and game. They are basically spoiling the land.

It's a shame since indigenous culture is so much interesting.

>>66669814
>George Washington Carver

The memes are strong tbqh

>>66650010
Thanks Paco, that was a rather well thought out post you made

>>66647460
lol are you gonna deny the holocaust too lmao

>>66654100

i thought Norwegians were smart

>>66659960
That's just ad hominem and I'm a white guy, of course I identify with Spanish culture. That doesn't mean I cannot objectively look at the history of both countries in a relatively more recent eras and not realize that while your nation always enforced segregation mine did make efforts to integrate, Mexico was doing Vasconcelism and cultural mestizaje while Jim Crow was at its height and you had segregated bathrooms and water fountains in the south. And mexico did abolish slavery as soon as it became independent, long before you did. And the colonial caste system did despite its flaw accep miscegenation which you passed laws against in much later times. So yeah, no shit, Mexico has in fact never been as racist as the US in the very objective terms of looking at the two countries side by side, Native Americans were from the start considered a part of our population, not people to be driven away for lebensraum.

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ebil white man

>>66650007
About 1% of Brazilians are natives, most lives secluded from society. There's a lot of mixed natives up north though.

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>>66646753
>extinct

you hate us, but don't even know us

>scalping
topkek. those stereotypes only belong to the eastern tribes in ontario, and yet they were false

>calling out on someones innocence
you got WAY to much blood on your hands to even come CLOSE to having any sort of right to say that

>>66647075
>Nobody knew enough about germ warfare
dude...
people would catapult dead infectious bodies into castles during medieval sieges a thousand years ago

>>66647380
>americans still had school shootings before america was even america

>>66646671
the ones residing in US were a lot better than central and south americans. makes me sad they basically got wiped out desu. smarter and stronger breed

>>66675572
Shut the fuck up, Mesoamericans singlehandedly built an advanced civilization and Mexico is a world power in boxing, the natives here have always been good fighters, nevermind they break their backs working hard eve in your country. There's absolutely no objective measure under which your dumb fuck tripe haas any basis on reality.

WE WUZ NOBLY N SHEIT

>>66646671
no, but it was their land. they had a right to kill whitey, and whitey was far worse than they ever were
worst they did was scalp whitey, not disease and slavery.

>>66670445
End yourself, Mexico is White Guy.

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>>66670445
Everyone and their mother knows that the browner you are in Mexico, the lower. Full-blooded Indians are the poorest segment of the population. This was true of most of the Spanish colonies; they had a small white elite whipping the Indian masses into obedience.

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>>66651862
>>66652019
/thread

>>66646671
Yes, they are evil as fuck. They complained about american basis in their land when it wasn't even against them. Americans invaded to protect the natives.

>>66680259
This. The rebellions were minority brainwashed separatists.

>>66646671
A scalping anything tells you.