/uruguay/

I can back that up.

>cozy to live in
>free education and healthcare (quality could certainly improve tho)
>good place to live if you're queer
>nice natural enviorments, uncrowded beaches.
>friendly toward most foreigners.

Things keep getting expensive and there are some minor security issues, but no one is perfect.
9/10 would live in again.

Uruguay is to Argentina what Czech Republic is to Poland

really made me think

>>66577952

The thing I like most about Uruguay is reading how your president picked up hitchhikers and drove a used car.

>>66577563
>Moving to South America
How about no

>>66577563
just Montevideo*

>>66578139
Pepe is objectively good and honest for a poltician.
It's a pity that the rest of his party is as corrupt and shitty as any other.

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>>66577563
>mostly white
El Uruguayo promedio no sabe que es blanco hasta el dia que cruze la frontera.

>>66577563
you forgot to mention
>South American football Kings

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>>66577563
nooooooo jkajkakjajkkja que buliado que sos pobo

>>66579564
Che choris, sos el argentino en /lat/? porque yo soy el yorugua.

Uruguay and Argentina are basically the hispanic counterpart of Australia and New Zealand.

>>66577563
How white is it?

>>66583099
See >>66579564
Most of the people i know including myself are white desu.
We're mostly of italo-hispanic ascendant.

>>66583099
Google "gente de uruguay" then "gente de argentina" then judge by yourself

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>>66583305
>>66583314
jkakjajkkjakajajk """"por favor escupanme"""" """sisi soy blanco""" jkakjakjajkjka """cum in me mister """"

>>66577563
too far. don't speak spanish. why havent you
>>66582861
so uruguay is objectively better then

>>66583380
toca de aca, negro envidioso. cuantas copas tenes?

Why cant countries with the most people of European descent like Argentina and Uruguay manage to pick themselves up and become as developed and civilized as other nations where European descendants are the majority?

>>66583890
I'm not saying they're 3rd world shitholes but they're nothing like Canada, or New England as examples

>>66583890
american meddling in their politics

>>66584073
I've heard that excuse before. I'm not denying it's true, but is our meddling so influential that those countries can't even become completely developed?

>>66584126
not the only cause but it certainly helped. For example leftards rejected a free trade agreement with US because
>muh imperialism
and so we lost that great opportunity

>>66584282
So it's actually our LACK of involvement with you

Pretty sure South America is 3rd world not because of America, but because it's 99% leftists down there

>>66583890
They are pretty much the same as bolan

>>66584447
AKA low IQ, prone to violence, etc?

>>66584515
Yeah

>>66584404
nope pretty sure what he's trying to say is there's a huge hangover effect from the cold war.

america fucked latam hard.

>>66584529
I'm mostly kidding. I like Poland.

But isn't Poland a shithole full of uneducated people because of it's history in wars and conflict?

>>66577563
it's a third world shithole m8

source: visited south america

>>66584607
You said why arenty they like europeans, i just said they are like poland in pretty much everything, thats it

>>66584572
It looks to me like he was saying the leftist government there basically refused to trade with the US for the same reasons North Korea doesn't trade with us, which is kinda dumb and not totally the US' fault

>>66584621
It's a comfy third world shithole tho

>>66584607
>But isn't Poland a shithole full of uneducated people

Yes, but it's changing. People around 30+ are often dumb as rocks, but the younger generation is much better educated, as shown by worldwide educational rankings.

The present is wonky, but the future is bright.

>>66584751
>tfw invested in eastern Poland
Feels good lads

>>66584681
Except they're not slavs, they're mostly people of Iberian and Mediterranean descent. No coincidence that those places are considered low-end Europe and full of unemployment I guess

>>66584794
They are like Poland too

>>66584404
There are obviously many problems in latin america but one of the worst is the big amount of leftists here

>>66584404
kind of, argentina received 80% of brit foreign investment long ago, us disliked argentina for being more pro brit than pro americans at the turn of the century so your country kind of never liked, after WWI ended UK signed the ottawa treaties with ANZAC and kind of fucked but we overcame, then after WWII we just end up distantiating from the liberal allies (us, uk, kind of france but we liked de gaulle) and alligned with the nationalist axis, we were fucked hard after european reconstruction and you forbid every country in the marshall plan to buy from us (we were left out and brazilians in, e.g. now they have embraer)

>>66584699
you're kinda dumb

>>66584751
I'm glad to hear that. I really admire Poland's stance on the whole refugee/immigration crisis, even if all Poles were dumb, at least they aren't accepting millions of people who come from countries where the average IQ is literally in the 70s and 80s (Sudan is 70 last I checked. In the US anything lower than 75 is considered mentally retarded)

>>66584794
There's no denying that, sadly. People here took after the minimum effort mindset stereotypical of spaniards, wich I belive is one of the main drawbacks for our progress.

Anyway, in contrast with the rest of the continent I belive we're doing fine.

>>66584852
those entrenched very hard left/right politics are a direct hangover from us involvement in latam.

>>66584852
This is what I figured

>>66584860
Wow. I can see how that must have devastated the nation.

>>66584949
Sorry if I'm not totally knowledgeable on the subject. Maybe you could correct me instead of just calling me dumb? It's not like I denied that the Cold War had effects on LatAm

>>66584852
most argentines dislike leftist and even the kirchner, even though economically left, could never push for things such as abortions, and i would say both bigger parties in here hate feminist and cultural marxism argentina was punished (if you can say that) for being highly nationalistic and with imperialist interest, we had as many planes as all south america combined and the 6th biggest naval fleet around WWII, no one was gonna let some nazi alligned country to remain millitarily strong, we were developing nukes ffs

>>66584404
Seriously gringo? Look at what your dumb fuck drug war did to Colombia, and what is now doing to us. The problem with Southern Cone nations isn't leftists as much as fascists, there's far too many people in there in love with that crap which does in turn radicalize a good bit of the left. If it wasn't for the US pushing it's anti-commie agenda they would have naturally developed along the lines of Western Europe's democratic socialism rather than have to reach that general direction through bitter infighting.

>>66583305
Why the fuck does it alway come down to this? You and Argentina are mostly castizo countries if you care to make the distinction.

"In 2005 Sinthia Pagano, M.D conducted a genetic study, detecting the possibility that 38% of Uruguayans may have expressed partial genetic influence from the Amerindian population.[16][17]"

Add to that you're something close to 5% black.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uruguayans#Mestizos_.26_Amerindians

If it's any comfort you're whiter than the US.

>>66584852
Oh come on blue Peru, you've forgotten about Arbenz already?

>>66584995
Why are Iberian's like that though? Spain and Portugal used to be such great nations once upon a time. What went wrong culturally that basically makes them lazy?

>>66585153
>If it's any comfort you're whiter than the US.
and Mexico

>>66585264
Yes, you certainly are, we are proud of our Amerindian heritage however in case you haven't noticed.

>>66585138
maybe you could try using google or asking questions instead of making presumptive statements? I don't know "loads" about it either 2bh

>>66585404
I actually did mean that as a question originally though. Sorry

>>66585231
>lazy
Do you go on /pol/ by any chance

>>66585153
So basically what you're telling me is it's mostly the US' fault that Mexico is a shithole? I understand we've done fucked shit in the past, but this kinda seems like to me when black Americans say they're in the condition they're in because of the white man, and there's nothing they can do about it. It just seems like kind of a copout desu

>>66585153

I don't deny many people here have native ancestors, but it's so "diluted" that you can hardly notice on first sight. There certainly exists an afro community but as you said, it is rather a minority.

And I didn't inted for it to come off as "bragging" or "we r whiter than u lol", since it is a reflection of the gruesome genocide that took place in the early ages of colonization and later birth of our nations. No country should pride on such history.

>>66585542
The Uruguayan said it himself before I did. No I don't go to /pol/ but it's just a fact that Iberian's are probably a lot more lazy than say Germans based on their employment rates and work week schedules

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>>66585231
>makes them lazy
hmm

>>66585138
Many people are still butthurt that you meddled with an entire continent full of sovereign countries. Then you have the 80s which were atrocious here in Brazil and I believe it was the same in Uruguay by extension, pretty much caused by the increased interest rates by your Federal Reserve in the late 70's. 90s came with tons of (forced) privatisations in many countries in the world that again got many butthurt. No wonder it's a continent full of populists. Tide seems to be changing, though.

>>66585673
Maybe those long hours are the reason why 50% of the population doesn't want a job x)

>>66585673
Wow so Euros literally don't even work full time

This guy, Antoine de Maximy, filmed an episode of his series there - it's in French, I know italians got this show with dubs too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_C7gejGjflY
Basically he tries to get invited to sleep at random people's homes, and stays in the country alone for a week or so, doing random stuff.

Uruguayans seemed pretty based and laid back tbqh, made me want to visit the country.

>>66585604
>seems like to me when black Americans say they're in the condition they're in because of the white man
that's also actually true though.

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>>66585219
I have mixed opinions about that. I dont like the fact that the U.S. toppled our president to maintain an unjust monopoly On the other hand, Arbenz was too commie, he took private properties and distributed them. I am kind of glad merica took him away, we would be like a tiny Venezuela but worse.

>>66585710
>retty much caused by the increased interest rates by your Federal Reserve in the late 70's. 90s
Who do you think runs the Federal reserve?

>>66585778
People with American citizenship, working for the best interest of Americans?

>>66585742
what is stopping you?
come here, befriend locals and have a great time!

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>>66585730
Neither do we

>>66585748
Japanese people were rounded up and put into concentration camps in the 40s and 50s. They're also a smaller minority, yet their crime rates are lower than white peoples and they make more money on average than white people in America. Why can they prop themselves back up (to the TOP) but black people cannot? Do we just dislike blacks especially more for no reason?

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>>66585893
Whoops wrong chart

>>66585854
not him but cheapest return flights are like £700
sooooooon ;_;

>>66585604
Meh you were the direct cause of gangs in my country for example, it's not really just about blaming all the fault in the USA, but the worst problems that Mexico and Centro America have right know exist because of USA involvement.

Don't you forget (well, you probably don't even know) that El Chapo is what he is know thanks to your government.

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they have #tocoparavos

>>66585854
Money, and timing 2bqh. I'lll begin travelling a bit when I'll have a job and holidays.
Maybe I'll hop by and say hello - lots of places to visit on this Earth!

>>66585967
Yes actually, I do know about Fast and Furious and all the CIA involvement with cartels etc

>>66585604
Except that's a strawman, I never claimed our country's problems are mostly the fault of the US. What I did claim is your influence has made thing much worse, which it has, and I'd say the drug war is a pretty good example of that. How do you think violence levels would look like in Mexico if we did the same as Morocco and simply looked the other way? And what do you think corruption levels would be like if the cartels wouldn't have resources as vast? Plata o Plomo isn't just that they can pay ridiculous large amounts of money but that they can get away with murdering high ranking state oficials. I'm talking reality here, we can't do shit about demand on drugs and apparently you don't want to deal with that problem either but are all too happy to outsource the violence to us.

>>66585647
Fair enough

>>66585742
Feel welcome to visit anytime, most people would suck your dick for having an euro accent lol

>>66585967
NAFTA has resulted in wage stagnation and even decline in many cases in all 3 countries and I'm sure CAFTA was similar.

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>>66584447
uruguvay is more like romania tier

>>66585938
that's a incredibly retarded comparison
are you really that thick

>>66585751
No, you wouldn't be, what Arbenz tried was the same thing Cardenas did acomplish in Mexico. Even right wingers shut up when it comes to him as he remains our nation's most respected president.

how hard is it to get a Job as a carpenter in Uruguay? Is the Lifestyle as comfy as everybody says it is?

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>>66585977

>>66585748
>>66585938
Let me answer for you. It's the absence of black fathers in the black community, and that is not a result of the white man's oppression. That's a conscious choice black men make when they decide to not be relevant in their children's lives.

>>66586182
Which is like bolan 20 years ago

We are shit thanks to leftists feeding this 'work for your own benefit, not the country's' idea in everybody's mind.
From the smallest construction labourer to the highest in political office, everyone is thinking on it's own benefit.
To get developed we need a strong leader with a good speech that knows what to say to win the masses

>>66586220
pretty easy in my town, and it is comfy, but never even consider moving from Germany to here. Move to irrelevant towns in Germany before considering moving to South America

>>66586187
I'm comparing 2 historically oppressed races in the US.

I don't think you really have a response :S

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>>66586225

>>66586291
>We are shit thanks to leftists feeding this 'work for your own benefit, not the country's' idea in everybody's mind.
That sounds like capitalism though.

>>66586291
desu i don't wanna live in Germany after i finished my work education so im searching for a country with a comfy work Style. I dont care that much about Money, i mostly care about having a laid back enviroment.

>>66586318
how are the japanese "historically oppressed"?
spoiler: they're not. natives and blacks are the two races that are, but the reason they're still fucked is because they can't pull themselves up by their bootstraps haha

>>66586418
that general idea yes, but when it involves not actual self-economical progress, but just do as little as you can and then get shitfaced on weekends (or any other kind of pleasure of the moment. Basically most people live mediocre lives, accepting that we're shit and getting worse, but justify it by making use of pleasures of the moment)
And when even the ones in charge work for their own benefit, making use of corruption, then there's a problem my man

>>66586220
if you work as a carpenter, produce quality items and manage to get the job done in time, you will swim in money.
There are a lot of carpenters but for some reason they can't meet the agreed deadlines and are always asking for more time to finish the job.
Everybody I asked about this had the same experience. WTF is wrong with uruguayan carpenters!?!?!?!?!

>>66586220
Since it would seem we're in the fringe of financial crisis, jobs are tough to find (been on the look for one for about 2 months, and I'm fluent in 3.5 languages). Wouldn't know what to tell you concerning carpentry tbqh.

Otherwise life can be quite alright, given you are at least middle class. But then again, life in here is all I know.

>>66586557
we're lazy. Our society lives from doing as little as possible and then do what you like (go to a bar, to a club, see horse racing, football, do all of those and get a hooker, stuff like that). Very few people actually care about doing an honest work

>>66586163
NAFTA could be reworked, I'l agree on that, but most of the damage, wiping out our subsistence farmers, has been done already, unilaterally taking any advantages we may have it's simply not a fair deal.

40% of exports Mexico makes to the US rely on suply chains that also benefit American workers, we could fine tune NAFTA to push that number up, maybe bring to North America some of the outsourcing you do with China and India (which in terms of volume is the real problem) and work on solutions which rely on becoming competitive rather than protectionist. You could have say Canada do chipsets, you components and we screens and asembly on iphones for instance through government offering incentives arther than hardball pressure tactics which will only scare multi-nationals away. Except you'd rather not bring shit like that to the table because your dumb fuck conservatives have chosen confrontation and scapegoating, what Trump is proposing is Venezuela tier government interference in business and tariffs which will only become a tax on consumers.

We've unfortunately come to the point not to expect reason from you people however.

>>66586557
That sounds cool. I'm definitely gonna keep Uruguay in mind when its time to leave

>>66586182
>Chile, Panamá, Uruguay, Argentina.
>Croatia, Romania, Turkey

Is Latin America kind of at the same level as East Europe?

>>66586646
I think most humans naturally are.
I think that's why the German considers a move there. Different (better?) priorities in life. Enjoyment > Work.

>>66577563
>moving to spic rio grande do sul

No thanks.

>>66586728
SFTU, eternal cuck

>>66586449
Well, we've got the laid back bit covered.
And as the other yorugua said, if you do quality work and are strict about deadlines, a little good advertising and you'll be well off

Buenos Aires or Montevideo, which is a better city?

>>66586672
the cognative dissodence (spelling is atrotious without checker sorry dyslexia) is strong. the same people bleeting on about how the blacks need to sort themselves and stop complaining are the same ones crying that m-murika no longer number one :( and blaming it on the mexicans lol.

>>66586646
meh, if it's anything like Mexico I don't expect people pay a fair price nor that deadlines are reasonable. I've unfortunately dealt with the nightmare of contractors for far too long to understand it works both ways.

>>66586549
You're right, I'm being ridiculous. Rounding up an entire race of people and throwing them in concentration camps (basically slavery) is not a historical fact nor is it oppression.

>but the reason they're still fucked is because they can't pull themselves up by their bootstraps haha
Other races have done it.

Funny how Vietnam, a country that was decimated just like 50 years ago is now a better place to be than anywhere in Africa (except for a few spots with Europeans living there)

I bet you think the reason why Africa is a complete shithole in every place and aspect, is also because of the white man and colonization lmao

>>66577563
i have an uruguayan friend in spain and he is top tier, desu. nice people uruguayans.

best colony by far

>>66586704
yeah thats pretty much why i wanna leave Germany. Free time is more important than Money for me. (Well Money is still kinda important but i dont care about a expensive Car or a Big House for example)

>>66586704
A grade of laziness it's acceptable, but the laziness among our people is just counterproductive. And when even the ones in charge are like that, then your country gets stuck, becoming shit as time passes

>>66586728
rio grande do sul without brazilians and with actually arable land and good meat. What's not to like, João?

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>>66586696
richest south murican countries are at same level as the poorest eastern european countries

exluding ukriane...thats africa tier now

>>66586686
Also as a plus: if you have traditional germanic features, along with an accent, you will probably swim in pussy.
But the same would apply anywhere in S.A so

>>66586796
Buenos Aires is wonderful but it could be stressing if you have to commute everyday. I usually go there for vacations.
Montevideo is way smaller so you know, there is an upside and a downside ...

>>66586264
5 years ago

>>66586902
>a single sheikh has 6 gorillion dinars
wew what a rich country

>>66583890
you can't do much when you're surrounded by bolivia, paraguay, peru and other vermin.

>>66586813
the world consists of various shades of grey not black and white. colonisation is a pretty big factor though undoubtably.

comparing internment of the japanese during the war to treatment of blacks over the last 300 years is a complete joke, and if you don't realise that you are probably (medically) retarded. sorry.

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>>66587001

>>66586902
The quality of life is better for middle classes in latin America, look at PPP.

"Montevideo" sounds like some of those beaner dealers producing bootleg VHS back in the 80s.

>>66586894
Doesn't really help having arable land when your entire country is the size of a neighborhood.
Plus I already don't like native gaúchos, let alone their spic variants.
Oh yes and your Government manages to be even more leftist than ours, fuck that.

>>66587116
this is PPP

>>66587063
Sorry, blacks really haven't been oppressed since the 80s. It's time for them to start taking responsibility.

Have you ever been to a black American neighborhood? There's trash literally everywhere. Is the white man also forcing them to throw trash all around their community? No, they do that because they don't give a fuck.

>>66586796
Depends on your parameters.
I hate big, crowded, polluted cities, so i would take nice and quiet Montevideo any day.
On the downside Buenos Aires gets all the big musicians, Lollapalooza and events of the sort, there's more things to do and the such.
Maybe live in Montevideo and have the occasional Bs. As. vacation as other anon said?

>>66587189
>since the 80s

You mean since the 60s, ever since Civil Right Act passed.

Even in the 50s the worst they got was segregation, not like we hoarded them into concentration camps or something.

>>66587114
>Nicaragua and US are about the same level of inequality.
>Nice map.

>>66587238
Yes but it's fair to say racism was still really strong throughout the 60s and 70s, but ever since then, it's been irrelevant.

>>66587114
>no info for Saudi Arabia or the Emirates
being Croatia tier is enough for me tho desu

>>66587149
>doesn't really help having arable land
well it helps to raise livestock and to work that land, which is what we do and basically the pillars of our economy (sadly)
Spics are only shit when they're living under high population density. Same happens with BRs, and there are 11m of you in Rio Grande
our government sucks, no comments

>>66587116
I think nominal is the best measurement.

>>66587168
My bad, I thought it was income. Still, people on average live with far less than they would there and many products/serices (eg fruit or housecleaning) are ridiculously cheap so I'd still argue once you've reached a decent enough income you're out of living day to day you probably do enjoy a better lifestyle in Lat Am.

>>66587272
I wouldn't be surprised. Our poor are obviously much better than Nicaraguan poor, but our rich are also unreally rich compared to Nicaraguan upper classes.

>>66587376
Sorry, never mind.

>>66586728
>rio grande
not even the largest river in brazil

>do sul
not even south, it's in the same latitude than the north of argentina

2/10 try harder

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>>66587385
and czechia is probably the most expenisive one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBlRAmZo0ps

>>66587189
>Have you ever been to a black American neighborhood?
yeah. it's absolutely shameful that you have people living like that there, you're right. the difference is you blame the blacks and I blame this fucking ridiculous 'i gots mine' mentality that permeates throughout your society.

I love america but cannot STAND that attitude, and i'm actually not a lefty despite what you might think

PS civil rights act is WITHIN living memory, do you really think that everyone is just going to suddenly get over history? that's not how it works. also the idea that racism is 'irrelevant' in your cunt with all the racial happenings is frankly laughable

>>66587212
how much is a nice apartment in a nice area to rent in Montevideo? similar to BsAs?

>>66587552
>most expensive one

It's Slovakia. More expensive than the US even.

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>>66587762
nope

>>66587569
>Racial happenings
care to point out some?
don't mention the police thing when there are more weapons than people in the US and obviously laws have to help the police to be able to shoot when in danger

>highest HDI rating in Latin America
Not saying much

>>66587698
In nice neighbourhood? Roughly around U$650 per month.
I have no idea about Buenos Aires.

>>66587831
Is gas and real estate included in that shit? Because the former is much cheaper here while the latter is about the same.

>>66587896
meh it's not so bad, latin america is not that much of a shithole as media make it out to be

there's worse

>>66587552
Things didn't look as bad on that video as I thought they'd be but still prices do appear to be high enough it would make a difference.

>>66587851
i cant really be bothered to continue with this conversation, sorry.
>>66587976
>including rent
looks to be.

>>66587941
That being the cheapest with a good location of course. It can go as high as U$1000 depending on how much "luxury" you are going for

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>>66588048
>i cant really be bothered to continue with this conversation, sorry.
it's alright, cheers moit

>>66588088
thanks, was curious

>>66588105
lol it's not because i "cant back it up" it's because this """debate""" has been,and will continue to be, entirely fruitless.

>>66588039
but the wages are higher too so living standarts for middle class in eastern europe are higher trhan in latam

you should really update your sterotypes about eastern europe

you look like idiot

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La raza Uruguaya es la mas avanzada de toda América latina, el Uruguayo es bravo, inteligente, lindo y fuerte, es la encarnación perfecta de las élites blancas latinas católicas, una versión avanzada del argentino. El Uruguayo es de raza atlántica, descendiente de los bravos celtas gallegos e iberos vascos, los grandes marineros canarios, los talentosos italianos, y los corajudos irlandeses que siempre resistieron a los piratas, El Uruguayo encarna toda la hombrera gauchesca.

Todo el mundo recuerda cuando el Uruguayo venció al Brasilero para recuperar su territorio invadido.

El Uruguayo es la verdadera raza superior.

>>66589028
Vai beber teu mate e dar pro teu macho, Juan.

>>66589148
Tá com inveja é?

>>66589499
>inveja de uma republiqueta esquerdista do tamanho de uma ervilha

Vá dormir.

>>66577563

Santiago is better.

>>66589899
Valdivia is better for sure, Santiago is a shithole just like Montevideo

>>66589772
>be Ze Pequenho
>get shot

>>66589028
provinciano
todo uruguayo sueña con ser porteño, por eso todos se vienen para acá

>>66590024
>todo uruguayo sueña con ser porteño
es al revés. Los únicos bobos que van para allá son los mogólicos de montevideo que ya están acostumbrados a que los asalten/asesinen por dos pesos

>>66588350
kek, no need to get triggered there friend, we don't have to pay heating bills in winter and fruits and vegetables are cheap as fuck, services from any type of contractor down to say yardwork or babysitters are much lower, etc. I made it a point to be specific I was talking solid middle class (not living day to day) being able to take advantage of that, I'm talking living standards once you've covered basics, we don't pay as much taxes as you, etc.

In terms of what you can do on disposable income there's no comparison. Just going over the 1 something Euro price for the metro, we pay something like under a quarter of that here, meaning if I take a Sunday to go visit a museum I can sit down to a cup coffee and a pastry on top of buying subway tickets on just what you'd spend on transport.

Talk about idiots.

>>66583890
Oh, fuck, why didn't I think about it? Hold on, I'll press the "Turn first world" button, don't go anywhere

t. Mauricio Macri

>>66586696
>Is Latin America kind of at the same level as East Europe?
No, just the good countries in LA are on eastern europe tier.

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>>66577563

>>highest HDI rating in Latin America

>>66577952
>friendly toward most foreigners.
gringos included?

>>66586264
Which is like Brazil in 50 years from now

for some reason i've always thought uruguay was massively underrated

>>66591029
Chile is higher indeed, but that's it.

>Argentina is higher as well
>Implying you can trust INDEC

>>66577952
>some minor security issues
Your perception of reality is impaired

>>66593034
Uruguay looks comfier though, it looks like a lesser populated Spanish speaking Rio Grande do Sul tbqh

>>66593034

>Indec in charge of HDI figures

>>66593069
>a lesser populated Spanish speaking Rio Grande do Sul tbqh
indeed

>>66577563
Montevideo is shit. There are nice places to live in UY if you are old but boring as fuck for young people
Fuck this old people shithole

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>>66593134
>UNDP gathers the data directly instead of receiving them by the member states stats agencies

>>66593253
>Montevideo is shit.
It would be great if we could get rid of planchas

>>66593066
I mean, there are no narco wars or favela level shitholes as in the rest of latam
Or do you live in Marconi?

>>66583890
we are a latin american country not an european colony, and for only 200 years old we doing fine

>>66593350
>I mean, there are no narco wars or favela level shitholes as in the rest of latam
So? There's a lot within "minor security issues" and being Ciudad Juárez. We have a higher murder rate than Argentina, for example. I wouldn't call that "minor". Nor should you if you think a little bit.

>>66593253
What about punta del Este?

>>66584852
And there are no rightists either?

Face it. Both sides don't respect the Rule of Law. That's why you are all poorer than the US.

>>66593319

you know Indec during Kirchner era said that we have less poors than Germany, right?, if those figures were handed to UNDP by Indec we will be first by a long shot

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How is uruguay doing in terms of crime?

My mother is from uruguay and she tells me that crime is pretty bad now.

Kids commit serious crimes since they cant really be sent to jail.

>>66593552
>Face it. Both sides don't respect the Rule of Law. That's why you are all poorer than the US.
This burger gets it.

Cuba had no rightwingers for 60 years and it's shit.

Other Latin American countries had right wing dictatorships for that time and even more, and they were shit. Our 12 year right wing dictatorship left the economy in rags.

Culture is the problem here. Not politics.

>>66593495
only if you work in tourism and services or real estate, there´s nothing else there

>>66593495
Full of snobby rich shitheads and porteños. Expensive af (restaurants cost x2 even x3 as much than Mdeo), crowded overrated beaches.

Nice parties in the summer tho (still expensive af)

>>66586902
> exluding ukriane.

ukraine, macedonia, bosnia, albania, etc

>>66593574
>if those figures were handed
They weren't because HDI does not take poverty levels into account at all.

Go educate yourself a little bit please.

>>66593495
>>66593666
Hello HUE. Satan got it right, but he forgot to mention that from april to november the place is completely dead.

Best months are december and march. Nice weather, few people, and normal prices.

>>66593552
True, it was only like ten years ago that we had our first leftist government, the righ wing party didn't do shit for this country, and they're probably more corrupt than their left opponents.

Our politicians are simply just shit.

>>66593603
>How is uruguay doing in terms of crime?
Bad

>My mother is from uruguay
O RLY?
>and she tells me that crime is pretty bad now.
She's right

>Kids commit serious crimes since they cant really be sent to jail.
They are not sent to jail with grownups but they are locked. And most crime is committed by adults. By far.

>>66583890
you might be surprised but being white doesn't automatically grant you 1st world status

>>66593711

you are a fucking retard you know, I didn't said HDI take poverty levels into account, it was a fucking example of how much you can trust Indec

>>66593495
If i was a Spanish speaking kid, I would always be horrified to mistype punta as puta. It seems so easy to miss a letter. My teacher would probably kill me?

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>>66593253

Was thinking of staying in Uruguay for 1-3 months.

I have some family there.

Is Montevideo really that bad? I remember really enjoying the city and I also liked Punta del este alot as well.

I have the money to rent a nice place and was hoping to fuck plenty of hookers and local qts.

What's the best place for a gringo like me? Is it safe for gringos who are alone?

>>66594149
If you blatantly act like a tourist of course you are gonna get robbed, same as anywhere.
There's a somewhat decent clubbing scene (stronger in the summer) if that's what you're into, drugs are easy to get. Plenty of pubs in the Ciudad Vieja which is the most touristy place in Montevideo.
During the summer there's also our version of carnival which is the longest in the world (fucking hate that shit). If you like beaches you should go to some place like La Paloma or Punta del Diablo (there's a weird mix of hippies and rich kids in those places but whatever)

>>66594027
>it was a fucking example of how much you can trust Indec
My point precisely. Now go back to the start of the conversation and read again. This time you might be able to understand.

>>66594373

OK so what about hookers and local girls to fuck?

What's the best city for that?

>>66577563
I think I'd rather move there than Argentina. Can someone make a comparison between the two?

>>66594754
you have Everything in Argentina

Uruguay is a whiter and bolivian and paraguayan vermin free Buenos Aires

I will ask any question

>>66594691
Go to Punta del Este and ask for Nana´s house

>>66577563
>why haven't you moved to Montevideo yet?

I don't speak spanish, for starters

>>66594691
Probably Montevideo and Punta del Este, since that is where most people are anyways.

Can't be too sure about the hookers since I've never resorted to that, but I do see them a lot at bus stops along Avenida Italia at night, all year long.

Then again, if you're not Fugly McFatty your accent is most likely to grant you pussy at raves and parties. Even outside of that, you could just try hanging around the rambla or any plaza and try to make small talk with any middle class looking young people and you should do well.

>>66594878
Why are they vermin?

>>66595120
We're all pretty xenophobic amonhst ourselves down here.

On an objective note Paraguay sends us all their shit tier ""weed"". It's like trying to smoke cow poo.

>>66595190
How is your relationship with Argentina in general? Pretty bro tier I guess? You probably don't send your poor to each other?

>>66595443
Meh, there's a lot of meme insults and arguing back and forth, but at the end of the day they bring us good tourist money in the summer and most of us go to Bs. As. for cheap shopping and musical events.

I just really really wish Uruguay stopped importing all their shit tv and pop culture.
Seriously it's the worst, I haven't turned on my tv since 2007.

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>>66584073
If it was just that, they would recover in the mere 25sh years since the Cold War was won.

Certainly US meddling helped to weaken their progress.
But most likely they can't pull themselves together due poor political goals, poor idea of what their nation possess, and general segregation leading to poorer socioeconomic classes.

>>66585967
>El Chapo is what he is know thanks to your government.
For what purpose? To keep you poor?

>>66586449
P A T A G O N I A

>>66596823
This desu.
I'd like to visit Patagonia again someday, maybe stay for a while. Beautiful places, really nice people.

>>66596823
>>66596850
too cold? no swimming in the ocean?

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>>66596895
>ocean

>>66596823
do they shag sheep in patagonia?

>>66596895
You won't swim in the ocean anywhere in Argentina cuz their beaches are shit lol.

I'm more of a forest/mountains person anyways so patagonia is great to me, as opposed to this flatland that I call home.

>>66587011
I see on the map that Uruguay neighbors Brazil, Argentina and the UK???

Uruguay is the best country in Latin America. Also, why don't uruguyans breed like cockroaches like their Brazilian, Argentinian, other Latino neighbors?

>>66596998
:D
we are not vermin though :((

>>66596956
>>66596925
what? south america's sunny beaches and shiet? not in argentina? i need to google that.

>>66593552
Not saying we wouldnt be poorer than the U.S. without the left, we would still have many problems. Like I said, there is obviously many problems in latin america that contribute to our lack of success, but leftist ideals make it worse. Atleast in my country.

>it was only like ten years ago that we had our first leftist government

I dont know much about that aspect of your country but your government (the executive power) is not the whole system. I bet your laws and constitutuin had leftist ideals way before that.

>>66593808
Forgot to reply to you >>66597210

>>66597092
Bruh have you even checked the latitude of Argentina's coastlines? Not a great deal of sun around there.

I mean, even in here the western half of our "beaches" are muddy river water because Rio de la Plata, which is why most people migrate to the east for summer.

>>66593812
>They are not sent to jail with grownups but they are locked. And most crime is committed by adults. By far.
wtf not only a shitty redditor but a leftist as well, delusional fuck. Young people and others that commit '''''petty crimes''''' and aren't rightfully judged. Minors do no time at all (they lock them up until an adult come pick him up), and adults get short sentences for first crimes (aka the 1st, 2nd and 3rd time they get caught) and get locked for a day or a week at most

>>66577563
Apparently Montevideo is just a tiny boring version of Buenos Aires, and it still has similar problems with crime etc.

>>66596823
Fuck of nigger stop telling people to come fuck up my home and take up space.

>>66597020
I've always been found of leafies, thanks
We don't reproduce as much because abortion is now legal, which means more sex ed and awareness in general.

Also our population has been 3.5 million since like the 80's because lots of young people migrate (Canada is amongst the common destinations actually)

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>>66597329
our beaches are alright
pic related a low tier beach from my town
t. Coloniense

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>>66597329
Yea I see what you mean. This is a streetview of a random "beach" lol. But speaking of latitude, Montevideo or Punta del Este are the same lat as Buenos Aires. It is not always about latitude you know, so I was just curious.

>>66597492
Wow that's awful

>>66597492

Latitude is not everything, I agree. But I guess the difference here is that Bs. As. is by far a much larger and portuary city than Mdeo. I wouldn't recommend the beaches in Mdeo either, but they're kinda ok for city ones.
Thats why everyone ends up going to Maldonado or Rocha departments for vacation.

I actually live in a beach comunity an hour's ride from Montevideo (El Pinar) and the beaches are pretty nice and uncrowded. Would post pic but mobile is really shitty.

>>66597444
Nada mal, me recuerda a la zona del arroyo acá por casa. Y el agua qué tal?

>>66597981
Amarronada por los sedimentos pero limpia y más calma que en el este. Y dulce, pero no me acuerdo si bañarse en el mar te jodía para algo (el sabor en la cara es lo único que me acuerdo)

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>>66577563
Why doesn't Argentina just annex Uruguay?
We're basically the same country, besides from dude weed lmao.

>>66598191
Do you know what "Annexation" means, right?

>>66598082
La salinidad a la larga te reseca la piel y te caga el pelo, pero creo que hasta ahi.
Tendría que ir a pasarme alguna temporada a colonia la verdad.

>>66598191
> why doesn´t Argentina annex Uruguay
because you would be back 300 years and perpetual war with the huehues, grab an history book

>>66577992
Czech Republic is a better country than Poland, what exactly do you mean?