second language feels

Yeah

>learning Russian
>can't pronounce ы
>can't tell the difference between ш and щ
>letters pronounced differently when unstressed
>fucking palatalization
>Cyrillic alphabet looks to close to Latin alphabet and makes my brain hurt
>every verb comes in imperfective/perfective aspect pairs.
>still don't understand the difference between imperfective and perfective
>all those different motion verbs
>have to memorize 6 case endings in 3 genders + plurals
>some of the case endings are the same as others
>can never figure out which preposition to use
>fucking genitive plural
>1 thing = use nominitive singular. 2, 3 or 4 things = use genitive singular. 5+ things, use genitive plural
>they don't really say 'to be' or 'to have'
>Russians keep responding to me in English when I try speaking Russian
>still can't hold a simple conversation
>the word for hello is fucking здpaвcтвyйтe 'zdravstvujtje'.
>

>tried to learn German
>realized we won WWII

>tried to learn Spanish instead
>realized I can vote for trump instead

Such is life

>>66355035
>Tfw every important business in the us have a Spanish customer service department that is often bigger than the English
Really makes you think

>learning English
>ARTICLES
>they pretend that seen seeing scene sin thin thing think sink sing are not literally the same word
>every word in a dictionary has an additional meaning related to sex or drugs
>counterintuitive word order
>do they even have punctuation
>counterintuitive intonation -> no matter what you say you sound rude as fuck
>not enough swear words
>FUCKING FUCKING FUCKING ARTICLES
Also
>Russian: "give tea"
>English: "would you mind if blah blah blah blah blah blah blah please" (and when he is finished the tea is cold already)

>>66354978
>the word for hello is fucking здpaвcтвyйтe 'zdravstvujtje'.
Kek.
I really think that every Russian teacher should teach здpaвcтвyйтe and пoжaлyйcтa in the first minutes of the first lesson, so the 80% of students could leave the classes immediately

>>66355348
>>Russian: "give tea"
Don't you have any manners?

>>66354978
Nobody says zdravstvuite often, zdraste, privet or dratuti

>>66355517
>dratuti
wat

>>66355348

>articles

'A/an' is like the default for a noun. You use 'a' if the noun begins with a consonant, and 'an' if it begins with a vowel.

A table. An apple.

'The' is for something specific. The table. The apple.

>seen seeing scene sin thin thing think sink sing
CИH
CИ-ИHГ
CИH
CЫH
(þ)ЫH
(þ)ИHГ
(þ)ИHК
CИHК
CИHГ

The only words that sound the same are 'seen' and 'scene' but one is a verb and one is a noun.

>every word in a dictionary has an additional meaning related to sex or drugs

true

>counterintuitive word order

Subject Verb Object

You guys change your word order all over the place for no reason.

>do they even have punctuation
Yes, we have ?!.,' " () : ; -

>no matter what you say you sound rude as fuck

kek that's funny because I've always thought Russian sounded like that
>not enough swear words
we have the best swear words desu.
fuck, shit, damn, cunt, faggot, nigger, bitch. And you can make variations: clusterfuck, turtleshit, goddamn, supercunt, newfag, megabitch

Also if you want to ask for tea politely you can just say:
"May I have some tea, please?" or just "Tea, please"

>>66354678
>>after all this i will never have a sexy and mysterious foreign accent, but rather their language's equivalent of the Chinese waiter "wonton soup" voice in English

I've always been really curious about this. Do tonal and non-tonal language speakers just always sound really bad to each other?

or is it nothing to do with the tones?

>>66355348
>>they pretend that seen seeing scene sin thin thing think sink sing are not literally the same word

Only seen and scene are homophones, the rest are all pronounced differently.

>>66354678
duolingo feels a bit informal to me, does anyone know of a more formal/academic way to learn dutch

>>66355686
>CИHК
>CИHГ
I don't know russian at all but sink and sing have the same "i" sound as sin, so shouldn't they be pronounced CЫHК and CЫHГ instead?

>>66355572
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PrSph8pdus

>>66355686
Thanks, dude, i know all this, it doesn't make it any easier.

>kek that's funny because I've always thought Russian sounded like that
That's mostly because of the intonation.

>shit, damn, faggot, nigger, bitch
That's some kindergarten-level

>>66355802

>sink and sing have the same "i" sound as sin

Huh? I don't know about your Leaf accent, but I pronounce it like 'seenk' and 'seeng'. And sin rhymes with bin.

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>>66354678
I feel the same way about my Japanese.

>>66355802
No, make google translator say cыч and you will understand what ы is

>>66355832

If you want to be sound like a patrician, then use this Shakespearean insult generator:

http://www.pangloss.com/seidel/Shaker/

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>learning Korean for some reason
>

>>66355835
What accent do you have? Almost every accent except maybe American South pronounces them with a short "i"

>>66355889

Just the standard Midwestern accent. I've never heard of it pronounced like that.

>learning Japanese for mad jap pussy
>kanji
>

>>66355889
It's actually a bit of an in between sound. It's not exactly the same short i as bin but it's not a full ee either. If you pronounce it exactly the same as bin, you end up hanging the k or the g a bit.

>>66355871
문제들 있어?

>>66355862
nice, added to bookmarks

>>66355952
문제들 있어(x)
문제있어?(o)
문제가 있어?(o)

>>66355952
좋은 언어교환 파트너를 못 찾아. 모두가 normie야

>>66354678
>learning german
>can't remember noun genders

wew
If any Deutschbrüder have any tips to help remember noun genders, please share

>>66356062
gendering inanimate objects is the dumbest fucking shit, i hate it

>>66356010
왜? 너 남자야 여자야? 그럼 펜팔사이트에서 찾아봐

>>66356073
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammatical_gender#Grammatical_vs._natural_gender

ur stupud

>>66356073
I don't like it either, but it's not that stupid

You can jumble your word order in German and it'll still mean something because of grammatical genders, which is alright.

>spend years learning
>realize you'll never achieve a native level
>realize translation work is shitty and terribly paid unless you're a hands on interpretter (you need to be a massive normie too)
>was it time wasted or not?
>ruminate and get paranoid about forgetting things

>>66355348
>ooga booga give tea

Fucking slavs

>>66356171
Once you've studied enough, 6-12 months of immersion will get you close enough that you'll be fine.

>>66355802
The problem with English is that you have an и sound that is long, and something like a short ы sound (old people, Czechs, Ukrainians pronounce this like in English, Poles and Russians do not).

So this pair is differenciated by two features at the same time:
1) Duration,
2) Vowels are different.
Now when you analyse it closer, you will find that English long и, like in "beet", isn't actually a long vowel. It's a normal Russian и that over time slowly glides into ы. That's why words like "seen" don't sound like "cиин" at all, it sounds more like "cиын" or "cийн".

t. a cunning linguist

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>>66356195

>>66356195
Don't blame it on Slavs, we don't say shit like "give tea" (дaй чaю).

>>66356195
shut up, we are mongols

>>66356082
여자야

>펜팔사이트에서 찾아봐

2normie4me, interpals을 해봤지만 거기로 모두가 너무...ehh...그런 사람들이랑 대화하기가 힘들어. 4chan 사람들이랑 더 쉽게/편한 이야기할 수 있어

>>66356326
Дa, cкифы мы!
Дa, aзиaты мы!
C pacкocыми и жaдными глaзaми!
Блoк.

>>66356195
>>66356323
>>66356326

kek

English
>May I have some tea, please?

Français
>Pourrais-je avoir du thé, s'il vous plaît?

PУCCКИЙ
>ДAЙ ЧAЮ

>>66356004
감사합니다. 그럼 "들"의 사용을 뭐예요?

>>66356389
어디 살아? 디트로이트?

>>66356465
He was just buttmad tb h
>>66356509
Well, I was exaggerating obviously.
I meant something like "пpинecи чaю", which would be absolutely normal with family members. Not in cafe, of course.
Still, English is overly polite for no reason.

>>66354678
Imagine having to learn 23 noun classes.

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>>66356551
>디트로이트

아니...왜?

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>>66354678
>Speaking anything other than English master race

>>66356536
뭐 감사까지야 너도 여자야? 한국어는 단어에 복수를 굳이 사용하지 않아도 괜찮아 내 말은 예를 들어서 한국어에서는 빵이 2개 있더라도 "나에게 빵이 2개 있다"를 사용해 "나에게 빵들이 2개 있다"는 한국어 문법에서 어색한 문장이야

>>66356621
조크!●_●

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>>66356664
>뭐 감사까지야
>감사까지야
>감사까지
>감사 + 까지??

what is this supposed to mean?

>>66356840
감사까지야
>You don'the have to say thanks

>>66356912
ohh 그러구나

한국bro는 많이 도와주고 있네

>live in Ottawa
>need to be bilingual (English + French) for even the lowest jobs or any kind of position
>don't know any French
>

>>66357078
learning French is for traitors. Move. Now.

>>66356664
>너도 여자야?
아니야 난 faggot이야
아직 간신히 이해하지만 괜찮아. (｡ŏ﹏ŏ) ㄱㅅ

>>66356389
>여자야
Funny I recognize you in every thread.

>>66354678
>start learning English in kindergarten
>one step in front of everyone else throughout primary and high school
Feels pretty good desu

Now, German (which I only started learning in the latter years of primary school) is another story. I can write and speak broken German mixed in with words from my dialect that come from German but I usually have to be drunk to do it.

>>66357078

Come to Toronto, Ottawa is the asshole of Ontario.

Or, I mean, go live in a real metropolitan area in a real country, since Toronto isn't that much better.

>>66357203
>Funny I recognize you in every thread.

I think I notice you too, you have taken IRL classes of Korean right?

also I think he was just telling you it's awkward to put 들 there when the plurality isn't relevant...sorry if you already understood that much

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>learn korean
>know how to read and write in one day even though I don't understand
Hangul is God-tier

>>66354678
Wow, you like Vietnam enough to be in the country

About the language, i think its grammar is pretty simple, but the pronunciation is quite hard for a foreigner

>>66355758
Tonal languages sound bad to other tonal-language speakers.

>Don't even want to learn english
>Start browsing 4chan
>English becomes my 2nd language
what the fuck

>>66357358
Thanks for the confirmation, I'm still shaky on the whole language really
And that's me yeah, interesting...

>>66357400
It really is simple, but there are some extra rules to pronounciation that can trip you up at first.

>>66357543
You know you love us :3

>>66357512
Not really, i think Mandarin and Thai sound pretty nice. But no non-tonal languages sound ugly to me.

>Don't even want to learn english
>Start playing MMOs
>Russian is everyone's second language now
sukablyat

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>>66357593
>But no non-tonal languages sound ugly to me.

Meanwhile tonal languages sound ugly to me but non-tonal languages just sound interesting

what the fug man that is so cool

it makes me want to learn a tonal language one day

>>66354978
>the word for hello is fucking здpaвcтвyйтe 'zdravstvujtje'.
worked on pronouncing this for a wee and gave up
got something like
zhdrastueetzeeya

>>66357661
you can just say
zdrast'e

you're just not good in language, OP
just accept it and find something else to learn.
I'm on my 4th language and doing just fine.

>>66357708
Learning languages isn't hard, long time yes hard no. If illiterate/barely literate people can do it so can he.

>don't even want to learn German
>visit Germany
>Arabic becomes my second language

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>>66354978
>the word for hello is fucking здpaвcтвyйтe 'zdravstvujtje

>learning chinese
>everything is said

>>66357859
>learning Georgian
>all my dwarf friends find out and stop talking to me

>chinese
>point at everything and say zhege like a faggot english teacher who has lived here for two years and knows less than 10 phrases and still says them all wrong.

>>66357915
არაუშავს ბრატ :)

>>66355348
English is barely a language. The only trouble are articles.

>>66357686
Don't teach him bad things.

>>66357686
Why not pryvet?

>>66358354
Pryvet is for people who you call "ty", not "vy". So you can't use it with teachers or doctors or taxi drivers.
And zdraste would be absolutely okay in these cases.

>>66354678
Fucking how
Vietnamese is easy as shit bruh
Where are you living in the south? Unless you're living in some backward swamp village, I can't imagine how you knowing standard northern vietnamese would really make you lag that far behind in the south.

>>66358418
No, it won't.

>>66358567
Why not?

>>66354678
>learning korean
>cant remember what words mean without Chinese characters
>tried studying some korean equivalent but its not used enough for me to remember and I never studied traditional characters before
>mostly my pronunciation is not bad but I cant pronounce double consonants unless they are in the beginning of the word
>Korean alphabet is phonetic but pronunciation changes based on placement of letters so its actually not phonetic
>when i speak to young koreans 75% or more will only talk to me in English because they want me to practice
>have to have the same mundane conversation with every korean I meet even if they are not going to be in my life for more than 5 minutes
>only able to speak without fear of making mistakes when drunk
>when drunk Im incomprehensible
>local dialect sounds like willy wonka language

Before coming here I studied Japanese Chinese and French and was good at all three now I live in this place and I sound like a fucking autistic 4 year old

>>66358694
nigga I picked up the irregularities in a day ( owing that the script was created 500 years ago )
“A wise man can learn it in one morning…and a fool can learn it in the space of ten days”

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>>66354678
>learning Vietnamese

Why the fuck would you do that? Vietnamese is a retarded language desu. It's only good for small talks, expressing romantic thoughts and feelings. You can't have a meaningful/intellectual conversation with anyone because a lot of concepts doesn't even exist within the language or understood by the average rice nigger. Even if you permanently settle here it's not worth it to learn beyond how to haggle shit at the market and count the dongs.

Just learn Chinese or something, we'd all be speaking Chinese by 2030 anyway.

>>66358775
I know the irregularities too, leaf.

But i would guess you are forgetting about the less obvious ones

>>66358912
>we'd all be speaking Chinese by 2030 anyway
Mate, even Tibetans in Tibet still speak their language.

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>>66358694
>>66358775

b-be my study buddies

>learn japanese kana
>start to get into the grammar, getting the handle of the basics
>start to realise I'm way out of my depth
>everything is incredibly complicated
kill me
it's probably easier to learn online though, I'd wager it has the second most resources to english

>>66358694
>good at Japanese
You got off to a massive head with respect to reading and grammar so be thankful for that and keep at it.

>local dialect
This probably fucks you up though. Where are you at?

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>>66359037
>You got off to a massive head

>>66358694
>but I cant pronounce double consonants unless they are in the beginning of the word
It's like the regular sound but only pronouncing the last bit. It's not too difficult even in the middle of words, if I'm understanding you correctly

>Learning Khmer
>56 fucking letters
>Fell for the "only non-tonal language in SEA" meme only to discover there are still 2 different ways to say a sound.
>All letters look the same and it's a complete blur whenever I attempt to read anything.
>Again, 56 LETTERS ALL LOOK THE DAMN SAME
>Nope out of this
It'll never be important and I'll leave in a bit more than 1 year (I think) but I still wish I reached an intermediate level in 3 years.
Feel American, man.

>>66359136
>Learning Khmer
how did this happen to you

>>66359097
Hahahahahahaha shieeeet

>Grandma is Italian.
>Learning italian so i can speak to her is a good idea
>Hate it and have no reason to learn it other than my grandma.
Every 6 weeks
>Fuck it i'll pick a language i want to learn.
>After two weeks feel bad about not learning italian.
>Spend a month doing nothing
>I should start italian again.
>repeat for a few years.

I'd be fluent in italian by now if i stuck with it but i just cannot stand the language.

>>66359136
>non-tonal
>2 different ways to say a sound.
Khmer is magic language.

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>>66359136
What the hell

>>66359213
Maybe it's pitch accent?

>>66355413
>>66354978

I don't get it, what's wrong with zdravstvujtje?

>>66359248
Pitch still sound what they meaning.

>>66359170
Living in Cambodia comes to mind.
And honestly, my life would be easier if I spoke the local language. I never sought professional competencies. Just being able to have a chat, buy some stuff, ask for directions, order food, that kind of things, would have been enough.
As well, I'll just try Spanish when I've some free time. I might move to the Philippines but tagalog is completely useless in a country where English is an official language.

>>66359270
Amerigoons can't pronounce basic sounds

>>66359270
t. Grzegorz Brzęczyszczykiewicz

>>66359197
if one of the languages you want to learn is a romance language you can study it guilt-free because it will help you when you finally do learn italian

> French
> everything is okay, but grammar
> can read, can listen
> can't write, can't speak

>>66359492
i feel you

>>66359492
Same

>>66359492
>>66359529
i ordered the harrap's for russian, do you want to be pen pals ?

>>66359492
Oh boy, I hate this language so fucking much. It makes no sense, sound awful and counting is retarded. I changed high school because of this shitty language.

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>>66359662
I agree, counting in polish is very logical
>99
>quatre vingt dix neuf
>literally 4 20 10 9

>>66359662
>4 20 10 9

>>66359725
mon nègre

>>66359662
>counting is retarded
You should see Danish

>>66359650
>harrap's for russian
what is it?

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>>66359993
a method to learn russian, it's quite renowed

i hate when men speak french it's the gayest yuropean language ever honhonhon bonbonbon but when girls speak french its so sexy

>>66360159
What if a man speaks french like a girl. Is he sexy then?

>>66360199
what? are you gay?

>>66360286
Answer my question

>>66355413
Wtf is hard about zdrastvujte? Is it rhat Anglos try to pronounce it usung their retarded nonphonetic system?

>>66356509
Slovak: Prosím si čaj.

>>66357512
I like the sound of tonal languages.

>>66360472
>Strč prst skrz krk
>Wtf is hard about zdrastvujte
You would not understand

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Tfw can (slowly) read light novels in Chinese

>>66356062
Pay no regards to the Flag. I can help you.


Finnish isn't that bad either, but I'm struggling with remembering correct words.

> tfw I can't speak swedish but it's just gayer German and it's easier to read product information in swedish than in finnish
> feelsbadman.jpg

> Know russians and south americans
> Will have to learn russian and spanish at some point too

learning 4 languages is too much desu.

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>German
>nouns have grammatical genders
What the fuck, having gendered pronouns is not enough for you progressive cunts?

>>66362007

It appears it isn't.

>>66356062

Oh I forgot to mention, if you learn words with flashcards, add the gender and learn words + gender at the same time. It helps.

>learn german in highschool and still remember it many years later
>learn dutch while still studying german in school, easy af, like german but easier and like you got 4 dicks in your mouth
>learn afrikaans as well since i'm surrounded by boere all the fucking time so I may as well
>they all ended up blending together to some extent and i now pronounce all 3 of them with an afrikaaner accent
>have to consciously check myself so I don't speak my weird germanic pidgin language


>tried to learn french but back to square dropped


>learning spanish in university as something to fill up one of my 2 degrees
>easy mode
>comfy language
>fun to talk in
>can have chats with people
>lot of colombianos in my city
>start learning portuguese and italian on the side
>they're both easy as fuck now and I can pretty much fluently read and write them both
>portuguese and italian seep into my spanish
>I apparently speak spanish now with a portuguese accent instead of a neutral accent
>tfw my spanish is going to end up like my german and be some weird mediterranean pidgin

>>66362540
>weird mediterranean pidgin

Congratulations, you just reinvented the medieval lingua franca:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediterranean_Lingua_Franca

>finnish

>>66354978
>letters pronounced differently when unstressed

thats the same in english though

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>>66356323
>>66356509
>Дaй чaю

>>66359232
>gay

>Have a challenge with friend
>learn the most disgusting language to our ears
>we start with european ones, but they are all really pretty dank
>in the end we have Arabic, Urdu, Hindi, Portuguese and Afrikaans
>Rule out the first 3 because wonky alphabet
>Have heads or tails between Afrikaans and Portuguese
>I really wish coin lands on Afrikaans
>Tails: Portuguese
>God damn son
>Learn this shit language
>You build sentences like a 3 y.o. would: Me wants water "eu quero agua"
>Was the biggest mistake I ever did
>The language also gave me colonies autism

Fuck this shit language

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>>66358567
You're one of those who always say чтo instead of чё or чeгo, aren't you?

>>66363937
>saying чё
Bydlo.

>>66364026
>шoкaющий кyбaнoид кyкapeкнyл

>>66364084
>шo
That's even worse.

>>66364026
>not using based чё
kys arrogant swampnigger

>>66364232
чo is the best чё
t. Siberian

>a friend of mine told me Spanish is one of the easiest to learn in terms of pronunciation
>"okay I think I'll start learning it then"
>Reloj
>trilling R, L, and "Kh" sound
>none of these exists in Japanese

>>66364554
I rored

>>66364554
Easy for English natives speakers...

>>66354678
>learning English
>"cow" and "bow" and said differently
>"bow" and "bow" are 2 different things
>English don't even use their own language, they all speak with slang that is not in the text book
Kurwa

>Try to learn Chinese
>its too hard
>Try to learn Japanese
>It is not too hard but still hard
>Go to Spain
>Start learning Spanish while there
>This is easy!!!
>Go back to US, keep studying Spanish
>Now it is too hard again
Apparently I cant retain anything without immersion. I learned more Spanish in a month in Spain than I have in 6 months here.

Honestly, is there any language in the world that is "easy"? I don't think so. Maybe the romance languages get easy if you are conversational or fluent in one of them, but any of them for somebody with no background in them is still hard...

>>66364659
Rolling R may be a bit tricky for a native English speaker, though for any Slav it's easy.

>Want to learn Chinese for the Hanzi/writing system
>Want to learn Russian for the geopolitics and central asian history.
>Want to learn Arabic for the cool factor.
>Want to learn German because of Germanys power in Europe.
>Want to learn Italian for heritage reasons.


Why is it so difficult to choose?

>>66359037
Jeollanamdo T__T

>>66362540

Nice.

>>66365907

Don't fool yourself. You want to learn Arabic to be able to talk with your muslim neighbours.
But from a perspective of usefulness, learn German - if you're into academia.

>>66366260
Ohhhhhhhh shit

Good luck man.

>>66366260
Do you like it there, willy wonka dialect aside?

>>66362007
It's actually very sexist because we practically assume not only every person's gender – but also every object's gender, too

>>66357809
kek

>>66359127
I don't know if my pronunciation is really that bad, definitely not compared to your average foreigner, but my teacher is always calling me on out this specific thing.

복잡[복짭]
손등[손뜽]
잡혔대요[잡펴때요]

I also don't know how far into Korean you are but you are very quick to call someone out over something when you don't really know the depth of what I am talking about. It might be easy for you to pronounce it in Canadia but the Koreans are extremely bad at trying to understand what you say if it is not said like a native. It's not as though we are talking about a tonal language here where slight difference can be totally misconstrued.

also I have no idea what you mean by this

>It's like the regular sound but only pronouncing the last bit.


>>66366386
tq. Japanese was helpful in the early stages but my Japanese is quickly fading and not studying them conjunctively its not as helpful now @__@ good for retaining vocab though. Might get back into studying it soon.....maybe....

>>66366592

Yes, I like Korea a lot, but I'm not really fond of this area. If I could choose to live in any other area I probably would have but this was my only option for a city at the time. I used to live in the countryside of Gyeongsangnamdo and I much prefer that region as a whole, rural or metropolitan

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>>66367479
>경상도 > 전라도

>Don't even want to learn Russian
>visit Ukraine
>Russian is now my second language

>>66369855
>visiting Russia
>trying to speak Russian that you've learned in Ukraine
>get shot

>>66370140
kek

>>66370140
>>66370189
cyka blyat

>>66361712
Is it very hard to learn Finnish? Given that Russian's my native language and that I know some Japanese I'm quite used to weird as fuck languages, but nevertheless.

Actually an important question since I might have to relocate in a month or two.

>>66362540
Top kek, you must sound great. Pls vocaroo something in Spanish

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>>66372416
I've met 4 foreigners who've ever learned Finnish and two of them were Japanese. I guess it has a lot to do with Finnish being very different from languages people usually study. On top of that, you'll have trouble finding Finns who won't immediately swap to English when speaking with a foreigner. I've no doubt you can manage it if you put your mind to it, but it'll be difficult and have less utility than other languages might have simply because nearly all Finns can communicate in English.

>>66360159
oh boi, this meme again

AND THE POSTER HAS A KOREAN FLAG

I'm learning German and have sentence structure down pretty well

What are some useful words and phrases? Not just nouns, some common words useful for speaking in general

>>66354978
PECTOPAH

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>>66378881
>reading it like ПEКTOПAХ

>>66355871
Learning masochistic Korean grammar, 그냥.

>>66377690
>KOREAN FLAG

don't get fooled

>>66354978
This post is making rounds on the Russian segment of twitter now

>>66378979
>ПEКTOПAХ
I'd read it as NECTONACS

>>66354978
zashchishchayushchiysya

>>66369855
Chances are that you know not russian but "soorzheek"

>>66384279
link

>>66355517
>Nobody says zdravstvuite
It was what literally everyone said with no exception in Belarus

>>66385960
Its cuz u was an outsider and they just wanted to sound badass. The use casual "privet" when talking with someone they know.

>>66385960

Even after you spoke to them for a little? None of my tutors from Ukraine or Russia ever bothered using the full word after the first 30 seconds I knew them.

>>66354978
>>can't pronounce ы

The best method for me was to make a sound similar to getting punched in the stomach.

Should sound mostly ok/10

>learning mandarin chinese
>have tried a few years back
>gave up because too hard
>try it again this year
>finally having some progress
>still my pronoinciation is autistic
>easier then expected btw

no vale la pena aprender español

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> Der Die Das Die
>Den Die Das Die
>Dem Der Dem Den
>Des Der Des Der

I get them now but fuck me it was such a pain in the ass to conjugate adjectives and even nouns in some cases.

Fucking krauts

>learning english
>english hours and times fucking annoying LULZ PAST O CLOCK
>present perfect preterit what the fuck is this shit
>irregular verbs
>too many snowflake self-centered slangs
>BE BEEN DID GOES HAS HAD GOD MAY CAN FUCKING DAMNIT WHY YOU ARE NOT SIMPLE????
>-ING -ED WHY WORDS WITH -ED OR -ING AT THE END WHICH HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH GRAMMAR
>annoying prononciation
>talk to fast with too hard accent


FUCK YOU ENGLISH LANGUAGE! FUCK YOU! I SPEAK BROKEN ENGLISH AND I DON'T GIVES A FUCK!

>living in multi ethnic countries
Must feel shitty to be forced to exist and identify with pretty much a non country.

>>66357593
I speak Thai, and I don't really think anything of other tonal languages, but my mother doesn't like Cantonese for some reason.

>>66354678
>learning Danish
>prepositions
>no way to tell common vs neutral gender
>no way to tell if noun uses -er plural or -e plural
>no way to tell if verb use -ede past or -te past
>FUCKING PREPOSITIONS
>no way to tell if you should go "to" a place, "on" a place, or "in" a place
I love the meme phonology though, which is why I'm learning it.

>>66388783

Give*)

Anyway, "-ing" words generally describe things that are happening. E.g., "Get out of the room, mom; I'm fucking my girlfriend!!!" or "I'll be there in a minute, I'm washing the dishes".

"-ed" is just something that has already happened. "Yeah, mom, I fucked her last night!" or "Don't beat me, I washed the dishes!"

xo cutie

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>try learning any foreign language
>it's not spelled as it's written and even if it mostly is, it's just mostly
why

>>66388783
I've started learning the difference between future simple and conditionnel in French. How you people manage to keep up with this stuff when spoken aloud is beyond me. I guess you do though, eventually I'll get it, but its so painful right now.

So take comfort in that your language is difficult for English speakers, as our language is difficult for French speakers.

>>66365907
Learn French, its the only good foreign language

>>66365907

Learn Russian so when china makes global warming you can have a summer house.

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>>66356062
I'm learning German as my 3rd language and i hate that shit, you literally have to learn every single fucking noun together with its article

Also case articles are special kind of nightmare

> play dota2 for a while
> fluent in russian

>>66355348
>Russian: "give tea"
I'm learning Russian as well, and have had similar problems to this anon >>66354978

Your language sounds like ooga booga caveman talk, whenever I say it out loud I'm left mentally grasping for some fucking helping verbs that just plain aren't there.

"I am going to the store." becomes "I going(Hope you pick the appropriate verb for the context and remember the appropriate suffix to stick in this spot so they know what the fuck you're talking about.) store.", savage as fuck.

I asked earlier today in my class "How do I say I'm going to go get something, as in, 'I forgot my umbrella, so I went to go get it?'"

What ensued was an explanation that instead of having a simple catch-all word for fucking getting something, you have 5+ verbs depending on the context.

I won't go so far as to say it makes my brain hurt, but a lot of people like bitching about how hard English is to learn but other languages have bizarre barriers to foreign speakers as well.

Don't get my wrong, I'm learning this shit because I want to and I enjoy it, I'm just saying I'm having a hard time getting a grasp on it. That likely has to do with me not studying hard enough, but this is my second year of these classes and I'm still getting thrown through a loop with all of that masculine/feminine/neutral/nominative/accusative/genitive/prepositional/dative/instrumental/singular/plural/animate/inanimate/hard/soft/exception/fuck you rigmarole bullshit.

I'm probably being hobbled slightly by the fact that nobody really speaks much Russian where I'm at, so I don't get to practice it in a natural learning fashion.

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>learning Japanese
>hit plateau at 700 kanji and can't drill anymore into my head
>"just learn them in word compounds bro"
>word recollection is utter shit after awhile
>eventually get to words that contain kanji I'm unfamiliar with and hit another plateau
>can't even look at anki without getting a headache

I think I'm just going to go learn Russian or Polish or something that won't fuck my mind up as much.

>>66359232
kek you could remove that n symbol from every character and the alphabet would be maintained

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i feel bad for my friends learning arabic at uni kek. below situation is extremely possible

>take "arabic classes" for four years
>suffer through incomprehensible grammar and vocal noises
>finally you're good at it
>study abroad your last semester in tunisia
>find out this entire time you've been studying "modern standard arabic" which is a constructed language that no one speaks natively, and no one speaks in public
>spend entire time trying to get conversational in normal arabic
>learn extreme basics totally irrelevant to modern standard arabic
>get back to usa finally you can use your real arabic skills now
>run into egyptian guy
>try to have conversation with him
>find out tunisian arabic is 100% unintelligble with any other dialect of arabic, literally a different language
>kill self before finding out any more "arabic fun facts"

>>66393307
>"How do I say I'm going to go get something, as in, 'I forgot my umbrella, so I went to go get it?'"
It's because "get" is a meme word, not even a real word.

>first you learn tonnes of vocabulary
>then you speak to foreigners and find out that you could only learn "get" + thousand prepositions to communicate well
The other word is "nice"
Knowing "get", million prepostitions, "nice" + smiling like an idiot = fluent English.

>>66363934
Afrikaans would be much easier for you.

Same way Swahili would be too.

>>66355088

Makes me think what? That spics are to stupid to figure it out on their own and have to call for help more than non spics?

>>66364731
>Spend whole life being taught to say "hello"
>Everyone says "al'right mate" as a greeting

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>no dictionary will ever tell you that Russians epidemicaly use "davaj" instead of Russian "bye" or "see you"

How to english
Hello :Cheers
Goodbye :Cheers
How are you :Cheers hwru
Thank you : cheers
Good : Cheers

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>>66393307
>speaks a language with no cases or conjugation
>calls other languages "ooga booga caveman talk"

>>66354978
>can't tell the difference between ш and щ
Tы eщe нe знaкoм c пoльcким.

>>66388783
no one says o'clock but it is taught as the primary way to tell time

i dont want to see french person complaining about English irregular verbs. We actually have very few conjugations compared to other languages and most grammar jut involves inserting a word and or moving something

I feel like your entire post is just nonsense

>>66394062

This is one of the things stopping me with arabic. People sell arabic as opening 450m speakers when really you are virtually limited to each individual country.

Arabic would be worth it if it opened all of MENA.