Is german a white european language?

katana
or kogatana

>>66276234
Yeah but in Dutch it's "mes" so fuck you.

>>66276254
手術用小刀をメス(mess)というのはオランダ語起源だぞw

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>>66276354
I'm sure you have some synonym that comes from the same root.

>Veitsi
>Puukko

sprölölölööö

nordcucks are not european

μαχαίρι (maheri)

>google knife in Latvian

>>66276566
kek

>>66276354
True, scandis confirmed for not white

>>66276566
good post

>>66276234
Thanks for the loanwords you nords :)

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>>66276354
>mes

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>>66276566
nice

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>>66276234
isch mach disch messer moruk

>knife
>germanic root
>messer
>indo-germanic root
why don't you guys have history?
>>66276457
Apparently Kneif (cobbler knife) and Kneip (dialectal). Haven't heard either before but I guess it's there.
>>66276566
saw that too
>Latvian """language"""

>>66276354
But Dutch is just weird sounding German

>>66276747
>>66276566
nazis confirmed for being edgy

>>66276566
>knife in Latvian
this.

>>66276354
>implying dutch is a real language and not just a german dialect

Coltello :DDD

>>66276703
That's "mees".

>>66276893
>implying Swedish is a real language and not a Danish accrnt

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Dana

>>66277269
>implying Swedish is a real language and not a Danish accrnt

We made denmark. Denmark was built by people who left Sweden.
Danish is a swedish dialect if anything.

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>>66277412
>implying Swedish isn't a Finnish dialect
Really makes you think.

>>66277778
>off by one

>>66276893
DELET THIS

>>66276234
well, including brits and merrycans by definition undermines your initial claim about whiteness

:^)

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>>66277412
>We made denmark. Denmark was built by people who left Sweden.
>Danish is a swedish dialect if anything.
>We made denmark

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Messer has Indo-European and Germanic roots.

Let me explain:
>germanic *mat- means "meal"
>germanic *sahs- means "short sword"
>so the West-Germanic composita (combination of those two words) is "matizsahsa".
Literally a meal-shortword. Just a short sword to cut your meal.

Languages evolve, so it changed from "matizsahsa" to "mezzirahs", "mezzer" and the final form "Messer".

/thread

>>66277412
WE WAS DANES AND SHIT

(hey that's our line!)

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>>66278178
kek we wus konge n' shit

Okay what is poor in your language?

Poor has French-Latin root

In Dutch it's arm and I believe Middle English had that word too.

>>66278350
Middle English is horrible https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QE0MtENfOMU

>>66278350
Fattig

>>66278112
it was built by ex swedes, though. Don't you know your own history?

>>66278447
sounds bretty gud desu

>>66278350
It's literally also 'arm' in german

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>>66278487
>it was built by ex swedes
>ex swedes

fucking stop it, my sides. they are forever lost

>>66278447
Sounds much better. Modern English sounds like having a snickers in your throat.

>>66278605
>>66278642
It sounds too barbaric imo

>>66278350
>>66278611
Swedish actually also have arm, but more in the sense of being vulnerable and a failure of a person, meanwhile fattig means not having alot of wealth.

>>66278447
Far superior to the French dialect you people call modern """English"""

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>66278616

>>66277850
One what

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>>66278785
>two world wars and a world cup

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>>66278788
>wikipedia

>>66278981
Svíþjóð is a lot older than denmark. terrae scaniae and denmark were known by the romans as shitholes where savages lived, but the swedes were extraordinarily civilized and advanced.

>>66279133
please refer to >>66278242

>>66277778
off by one
>>66277777

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>>66276234
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanic_languages

read some books sven, we also have the word KLINGE which is similar so KNIFE

>>66278175
>>66280931

/thread

Low german > High german

>>66276234
>including both the US and UK flags just to avoid the arguments
Why not just the flag of England?

>>66276354
Dutch is a joke language.
If you understand English and German, you can understand Dutch to a fair degree.

Here. I'm going to pull a random wikipedia article in Dutch and try to translate it.

"Een antimuon is het antideeltje van een muon.

Een antimuon is dus een elementair deeltje of subatomair deeltje, meer bepaald een lepton. Het heeft spin 1/2 en is dus een fermion."

I think it says:

"The antimuon is the antiparticle to the muon.

The antimuon is an elementary particle (something about leptons) and is thus a subatomic particle. It has a spin of 1/2 and is thus a fermion."

https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antimuon

>>66281962
http://vocaroo.com/i/s08lu6HooNnQ

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>>66281532
Upper german > Lower german

>>66282554
Lol dumb southerner

>>66277412
WE

>>66281962
congratulations, you just chose a text with a fuck ton of latin/english loan words!

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>>66278447
Cute!

Isn't messer Yiddish?

3/3

>>66276234
>>66276354
we have got the word "knijf" in standard dutch which is not really used anymore and "knief" in certain dialects.

Denmark achieved statehood before Norway or Sweden did, at least the 9th century if not earlier, so...

>>66276234
We have the word messari, but everyone only uses knívur.

>>66280931
No, Klinge has nothing to do with knife.

>>66282871
I also believe that my Low Saxon speaking uncle uses "knief" for certain types of knives, especially tools, while "mess" for the one you eat with. My Low Saxon is too bad to immediately recognize false loan words from German, though.

>>66276234
>silent "k"
*cringes

>>66276234
Very much so, in fact German retains some older Indo-European features that other Germanic, and other European languages, have lost. This is why German is more complex than romance languages or it's related Germanic languages.

>>66279133
Holy shit lmao

>>66276234
It's a germanic language. English is scandi

Tägliche Erinnerung daran, dass Deutsch unmöglich zu meistern ist, wenn man es nicht als Muttersprache spricht.

>>66283521
>english is scandi
nah english is frankenstein

>>66276234
what is the british flag doing there

>>66283521
english is romance with a few western germanic words sprinkled in. Very little scandi influence

>>66278731
we also use arm in the sense of:

"ach dat is een arme hond"

"oh, that is a poor dog"

>>66283732
in this case you'd use stakkars/stakkarslig. fattig only means poor in the sense of money-less/impoverished.

>>66283808
we've got the word "stakker" for a fool, a bum or a tramp

>>66283732
>ach dat is een arme hond

literally sounds like negro ebonics. Interesting that the first 4 words are so close to English though

>>66284068
here "en stakker" means a helpless, pitiful person or creature.

it derives from old norse "stafkarl" (literally "Stabkerl" in German or "Staff/Rod guy" in English)

>>66284171
stafkerel

>>66284171
en stakkar*

>>66284192
it would be "Stavkar" in modern Norwegian. that just made me realize that the word Kar in Norwegian (Old Norse Karl) is the same as Kerl in German and and Kerel in Dutch.

btw, the original meaning was beggar.

dhungur hnivur :----------DDDDDDD

>>66276893
verwijder dit

>>66282861
Since jiddisch is a high German dialect...

>>66280931
The German cognate is "kneifen" - to pintch

>>66284670
that's "å knipe" in Norwegian

>>66284294
>that just made me realize that the word Kar in Norwegian (Old Norse Karl) is the same as Kerl in German and and Kerel in Dutch.

kind of neat how cognates unexpectedly show up.

>>66284701
>>66284670
knijpen in dutch

>>66280931
klinga is the sharp part of a blade

>>66284670
att knipa in Swedish

>>66282812
>bubdskap
ok

>>66282861
Yiddish is a variant of Judeo-German, which was itself a variant of Mittelhochdeutsch.

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>>66278350
Köyhä

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>>66276234
Both terms are barbaric and subhuman.

>his term for knife isn't derived from the latin cultellus
>probably not even derived from latin or greek at all

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Is danish a joke?

>>66285156
yes

>>66284757
"Bloom" , "Loft" and "Nebula" are good examples of shifted meanings in English.
Bloom lost it sense to flower but survieved as the blooming part of the flower.
"Loft" is now "air", but if you want to enter the loft, you have to get above/in the air.
"Nebula" is now "fog" but has of a space fog.

>>66283434
*ringes ?

>>66285261
isn't "nebula" a latin root?

>>66285156
danish and french use the pre indoeuropean base 20 numeral system.

>>66285322
'Little cloud' in Latin.

>>66285322
Yes, it is. I'm not sure if "Nebula" had the meaning of fog in English.
Nebula seems to be the optical effect and fog refers the moist effect it has.
German "feucht" - moist is its cognate and refers to that.

>>66285750
German "Nebel" is not from latin "nebula" but both are from PIE "*nebh" - cloud

>>66283732
Technically english is germanic according to the linguist's definition. And true, a lot of loanwords come from romance languages (french, latin) and greek. However, the majority of the everyday colloquial vocab is derived from scandi languages, probably primarily what we call norwegian today. Syntactically English also shares sentence structure with scandi languages, which unlike german and dutch, tends to place the object after the verb.

http://sciencenordic.com/english-scandinavian-language
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OynrY8JCDM

>>66285825
Thanks danelaw

>>66284130
>when you briefly traverse your bubble of delusion and finally connects two simple dots

If you read some history, you'll notice that Holland/Netherlands share a lot of history with the English speaking countries.

>>66285900
its not really because of the shared history, but because of the fact that english and dutch split of very recently.

Dutch is the closest non meme language to english

(with frisian (a dutch dialect) being the closest if we include meme languages)

>>66285990
>the languages are not similar because of their shared history

lol

>>66285990
Dutch and English splitted apart 1500 years ago

>>66285990
Actually if we include meme languages Scots is closer

>>66286721
Scots isn't a language - it's a dialect of English.

>>66285990
Modern Dutch is based on Low Frankish though, and Frisian split off much earlier before you, let alone us standardised our modern languages

>>66286721
when did drunk speech become a meme language?

>>66286839
>>66287042
>If we include meme languages
>meme languages
>MEME

>>66276747
Are you telling me you dont know the word "kneifen"?

>>66278350
liewer arm dran as arm af

>>66287423
Not him, but in a noun form, no (other than "Kniff" maybe, but this seems to be derived from the verb itself more recently)

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Quality thread, this is how /int/ threads were supposed to be

>>66276234
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Messer#Etymology_1

From Middle High German messer, mezzer, from Old High German mezzeres, mezzirahs, mezzisahs (“knife”), from Proto-Germanic *matisahsą (“knife”), from *matiz (“food”) + *sahsą (“knife, dagger”). Cognate with Old Saxon metisahs, mezas (“knife”), West Frisian mês, Dutch mes (“knife”), Old English meteseax (“knife”). See also meat, sax.

>>66288672
go eat a dick monkey

>>66286042
?

>>66286198
thats really recent

>>66286887
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>>66288853
I will, friend, but not before I finish reading this marvelous and all of its contents.

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>>66276747
>ass nazis
gj latvia

>>66276234
Why?

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pojke

>>66289082
because the word "sven" was being used for young boys and which was also a common name, which made it confusing, so we got a loanword

>>66278785
Middle English is more French than Modern English. You're thinking of Old English which is more similar to modern German than modern English.

>>66289205
Sounds like the jonne thing here :d

>>66290803
fuck of with your fake maps, cuck.

You know as well as I do that it's "gud" in sweden.

>>66289205
So, when immigrants call you svenne does it still have to boy connotations to it?

At least niggers in America call white men boys.

>>66290347
>i am retarded

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>>66290900
>this mad

>>66281504
dat

>>66282812
wetenschap*

>>66290803
>jamal

>>66282847
>zuur
I thought "zuur" meant sour? German has different words for sour (scharf-) and acid (Säure) so why wouldn't Dutch?

>>66281504
Pälzisch>Bayernisch>Plattdüütsch>Fränkisch>Hochdeutsch

>>66291655
bcuz

>>66291866
So if I say
"Dat is zuur"
You don't know whether I mean "that is sour" or "that is acid"?

>>66291743
>pfälzisch
spotted the retard

>>66291954
>Palatine German or Pfaelzisch (Pälzisch; German: Pfälzisch) is a West Franconian dialect of German which is spoken in the Upper Rhine Valley roughly in an area between the cities of Zweibrücken, Kaiserslautern, Alzey, Worms, Ludwigshafen am Rhein, Mannheim, Heidelberg, Speyer, Landau, Wörth am Rhein and the border to the Alsace region in France but also beyond
In der Pfalz, sagt man "Pälzisch".

>>66291743
> autism>animal noises>low german>protestant animal noises>meme language

0/10

>>66292227
>>66292227
Why are germans so jelly about the superior bavarians?

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Do Germanics still have this word in use? It starts with m and is some kind of a goblin or elf creature.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/mennink%C3%A4inen

>>66292421
Bavaria is a free state and not part of Germany.

>>66291903
I think that depending on the situation I would know if its actual acid or if it just a sour taste....

>>66292451
Troll I guess.

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>>66292597
http://www.dw.com/en/a-free-and-independent-free-state-of-bavaria/a-17932583
yfw when Bavaria gets independence

>>66292819
Yeah, but in linguistics words never change so drastically that they become unrecognizable from the earlier forms.

Troll is actually from Proto-Germanic *truzlanan.

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>>66292741
Would you, though?
For example:
"Citroensap is zuur" could logically mean "lemon juice is acid" or "lemon juice in sour".
What then?

>>66291655
"scharf" is either "sharp" (of a blade) or "spicy-hot" (in food)
"sauer" generally means "of low pH" in any substance (edible or not) or "angry at someone"

>>66292902
That's as likely as Liechtenstein annexing the USA

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>>66292902

Let's try to read in in Russian
Nozhik or Zatochka

нoж/nosh

>>66291743
Poorsylvania pls

>>66277295
Urs in Chechen

>>66293024
Citroensap is zuur => Taste
Citroensap is een zuur => Low ph

>>66278447
this just sounds like scottish gibberish

Dunno why retarded linguists keep saying English is german language. As in mostly from souther german languages.
When it's clearly a norse language with a bit more romance words than Sweden.

And fuck those who say it's a hybrid of Norse and Romance. If english is, then Swedish would be too.

They only do it cause it's cool to be romance.
Welll fuck you.
English is superior norse.

>>66279133
No the swedes weren't advanced, but they very civilized and "nice clothes".
But we were fucking not advanced beyond being center or religion.

>>66293516
congratulations, you're basically russian

just lose that green and you're set

>>66295205
proofs?

>>66276566
>knife in Latvian
K E K
E
K

>>66295205
There are some clear indicators how you can tell apart whether a word has entered English via North Germanic or West Germanic, and the vast majority have in the latter way
North and West Germanic have had different sound shifts. One example in which English has a "doublet" (word with same root entered via 2 different carrier languages) is "shirt" (West) vs "skirt" (North), also "garden" (North) vs "yard" (West) (that's a tricky one because one might first think the German "Garten" is closer to the former, but Anglo-Frisian has palatised the "g" to "y" in that position while other West and North Germanic dialects did not, so therefore we know the word must have come via North Germanic as it doesn't show said palatalisation - same with "give" which must be N Germanic too otherwise it would be something like *"yive")

>>66277138
Pugnale :DDD

>>66282554
truth

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>>66282812
>>66282847

>>66290347
> Middle English is more French than Modern English.
Wrong.

> Old English which is more similar to modern German than modern English
Double wrong.

>>66297050
Look up the grammar.
Listen to a norwegian talk, (one who hasn't that faggy hippity hoppity Oslo accent).
The spelling might be different, but many words, with similar meaning, are almost pronounced exactly the same in Norwegian and English.

English also have the same grammatical structure as modern norse. While german have a few differences, some explained in thread.

Proofs: http://sciencenordic.com/english-scandinavian-language

>>66300143
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlau4_uWIGA
Just listen to 2:20 onward.
It's fucking english.

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>>66278785
>French dialect

>>66300318
What's wrong with his nostrils?

>>66300318
>It's fucking english.

The way he said them wouldn't sound out of place as some regional English dialects - the third one sounded Geordie.

>>66300416
If you go into higher level English the ratios start to become reversed.

>>66300318
>>66301113
Geordie here.

The similarities between Geordie English and Norwegian are well known.

I'll go home - standard English
Aall gan hyem - Geordie
Jeg skal gå hjem - Norwegian

>>66301203
Meaningless.

>>66301535
>tfw southerner
>tfw no interesting words

>>66301203
Common tactic to confuse the commoners.

>>66276234
Cuchillo

>>66301614
Eower bairn is deed clarty the day. - Geordie
Barnet ditt er veldig skitten i dag. - Norwegian

However, it is not altogether similar.

>>66300318
Oh look, it's anothe rendition of an idiot not know what the fuck he's talking about.

>>66276703
Nice try. But it's Blaumeise, not Blaumesser

>>66276509
The urheimat of all germanic people is literally Scandinavia.

Our words have stayed this way long before we were cucked btw. And Iceland isn't cucked at all.

>>66276354
Mes means wimp in Swedish.

>>66277778
Finnish isn't even a european language.

>>66301113
… and the second one sounded like German. It's a four-word sentence, I wouldn't over-interpret that.

>>66277412
Fuck.
>We made both of our archnemeses.
>We made Denmark and Russia.
Something is telling me we're about to repeat history. Stop us, please!

>>66280931
We have klinga. The sharp part.
Try again, Mahmoud.

>>66285156
Swedish is more like Japanese though.

97=nittiosju
9=nio
10=10
7=sju
9*10+7

Just like in English

>>66303061
...and our 90 is also 9*10 if you take it apart by etymology, I think most languages do that instead of having a special, unrelated word

>>66276703
Those look like chickadees

>>66281962
>Country in between england and germany
>if you understand english and german you can understand dutch to a fair degree
whoa...... really makes you think..........

naifa in portuguese

>>66291655
It means both acid and sour

>>66303061
Just realized I wrote 10=10. It's supposed to be 10=tio

>>66302373
Wait, where is it spoken at?

>>66299022
Ours*

And we just say "pedobear"

And nobody says that

>>66283122
mær dámar best at siga moggari

>>66304082
Err... North Asia?

>>66304082
You know what I meant. It's not a indo-european language. Any similarities are due to loanwords from Swedish, latin/greek and English.

tungur knívur

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>>66276234

>"Sword" is "big knife" in German

>>66304211
Just how small is Europe again?
>>66304240
You do realize the naming policy is biased for cultural reasons? It's like saying that Anglo-Saxons are the only white people because at the time of the early race theories that's what they thought.

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>>66285885

>implying that the danelaw had any significant effect on base grammatical structure any more than the normans did with french

anglo-saxons

angles

saxons

they came far earlier in british history, bruv, 5th century vs. 10th (Danes) and 11th (Normans)

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>>66304657
The core area of the Finnish languages lies within N Asia
(and yes yes, inb4, IE languages have a good chunk in S Asia too)

>>66304691
But what about the jutes?

>>66304931
Must've been West Germanic speaking too during that period, because before Viking invasions in the 8-9th (?) century or so, Old English showed no signs of North Germanic influence yet

>>66304829
99% of people that speak finno-ugric languages are in europe

>>66305136
But won't somebody think of the memes?

>>66304829
Strange, I thought Proto-Uralic was in the west side of the Urals and spread from Volga to Eastern Estonia where Finnics had its urheimat.
>(and yes yes, inb4, IE languages have a good chunk in S Asia too)
Actually, the majority of the so-called Indo-"European" is spoken outside of Europe - even discounting the Americas. The majority of Uralic IS spoken in Europe, so funny how it is.

Maybe it's better if we call it Findo-EUralic and the other Indo-Eurabic?

>>66305269
We call it "Indogermanisch" not because we're so high on our Germnic horse as some claim, but because the term originated to encompass the Westernmost (Germanic, spoken up to Iceland) and Easternmost (Indo-Aryan, spoken up to Bangladesh) languages (when the term was coined, the even more Eastern, but now extinct Tocharian wasn't known yet)

>>66305412
Where does the term "germanic" even come from? Does it originate from the roman empire?

Nóż

>>66305599
It's not completely known, probably some exonym brought up by the Romans who based it on whatever. We never called ourselves that originally, first we wuz Franks regionally, later on "deutsch" appeared from an old IE root meaning "of the people"

>>66285156
dam I miss this silly&retarded memes

>>66305599
Seemed like a very Roman centric term to me which was applied on a wider group. I don't know if they ever used it as a personal name, but at least some Belgic tribes were very upfront about it (to distinguish themselves from their weaker Gallic neighbors).

In romanian, knife is "cutit".

>>66276234
It's nuga or väits in estonian.

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My girlfriend teached me a bit danish. I know from my experience that the grammer is very very similar to German. And as soon as you start speaking it, you understand words just by pronouncing them and comparing similar words. English is much more different. Knife seems more like an exception.

>>66307806
taught*

>>66305599
The term Germanic originated in classical times when groups of tribes living in Lower, Upper, and Greater Germania were referred to using this label by Roman scribes. The Roman use of the term Germanic was not necessarily based upon language, but rather referred to the tribal groups and alliances that lived in the regions of modern-day Luxembourg, Belgium, the Netherlands, and Germany, and which were considered to be less civilized and more physically hardened than the Celtic Gauls.

>>66290803
>be Russian
>EH'd

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>>66290803
>Jamal
the memes write themselves