>I am against the TTIP

>>66144423
I and most americans are very anti ttip

>>66144423
Anyone who isn't a elite is against it.

>>66144443
Coastal Americans are for TTIP.

>>66144476
that's because they are wealthy and will benefit from it

>>66144443
which is surprising. ttip would generate huge benefits for the amerifats. on costs of europeans, buts its not like they would care.

>>66144473
The vast majority of educated and suburban people support free trade

>>66144491
Everybody will benefit from it, free trade is what makes a country and its people wealthier due to more concurrence between companies, lower price products, higher production, lower unemployment rate, more purchasing power.

you want another great economic subs program for french economy Pierre?
very clever

>>66144473
>>66144491
Fuck off Cletus. Sell your tractor and use the proceeds to get a degree. Book learnin ain't easy but you gotta get an education I tell you what

>>66144423
>i take african cock daily
t.(You)

>>66144565
I see that you are still communist and anti-liberal in the East.

>>66144539
>>66144569

I am white and suburban. Free trade agreements destroyed this country's middle class.

>>66144612
This is not free trade agreements which destroyed your middle class, it is the lack of liberalism.

>>66144540
that's what they said before NAFTA too. And it was because of that you had a huge decrease in manufacturing jobs (see¦detroit) which were replaced with fast food and retail type jobs that pay next to nothing. Never again

>>66144569
kys

>"""free""" """"""trade"""""" agreement

>>66144612
No you stupid trumpkin fuck, technology has just changed the relative value of creative/professional workers versus blue collar workers

Instead of blaming muh establishment and muh evil bankers, try getting an education and some skills.

>>66144537
>ttip would generate huge benefits for the amerifats
Benefits such as losing the ability to enact worker safety and environmental regulations.

>>66144654
You should reconvert to a better job, times changed. Manufacturing jobs don't value for Westerners, they cost too much.

>>66144423
Good goy

>>66144610
we just seen enough of your bullshit
you will get special treatment because oy vey we french, need to protect our economy but free trade all the way teheee

>>66144680
>try getting an education and some skills.
you're so precious. did you get a bachelor degree in wine tasting and decide it suddenly makes you a fucking genius?

grow wealth disparity in america should worry anyone.

>>66144770
doesn't your shithole country get tens of millions of euros a year from western europe?

>>66144680
Yeah, right.

The more technogical economies of north Europe had no such effect until recently.

And the most inequa societies, South Africa, African countries in general, Pakistan, India etc are not that technologically developed. You fucking retard can't even understand how negotiations between classes work.

>>66144680
Fuck off, I'm a social democrat and voted for Bernie.

Left-wing in this country is truly dead it's filled with corporate globalist shills and champagne socialists.

What "liberal" derides the blue-collar working class so? No wonder the republicans are winning so much with the white working class.

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>>66144819
See pic related and kill yourself, diumbass socialist cuck.

>>66144796
My MA in Economics from an Ivy League university does make me more of an expert than any of you retards here. You're a clueless idiot who does nothing but spew political slogans he reads on online. Please do the world a favor and hang yourself.

>>66144539
>suburban people
Why the fuck would you even categorize people by that? Do suburban people somehow have superior opinions to urban people or rural people?

>>66144818
doesnt your whore of a mother gets millions of gallons semen pumped into her by niggers?

>>66144867
>My MA in Economics from an Ivy League university

What a surprise, once again only elites support your corporate globalist shit.

>>66144796
>grow wealth disparity in america should worry anyone.
You right, but we told you so.
Rich are richer because of the FED.
Since 2007's crisis, the FED set up a non-standard monetary policy to calm the recession, though it didn't go to real economy but to the company action's, it inflated their prices and who hang company's actions? The rich.
So the rich are now richer.

After the crisis of 2007, we should had let the market recovers by itself.

>>66144867
>inequality in Europe is rising
>if we adopt the trade system from an even more inequal country it'll surely fix everything!
Go fuck yourselves, you moronic dipshits, and take your asswipe "free" trade agreements with you and please choke yourselves to death on them.

>>66144931
Of course, everyone intelligent and educated is a "corporate global shill". Just because you're a dumwitted socialist doesn't mean every other middle class person is.

>>66144992
libertarian detected

>>66144992
The Fed keeping interest rates low doesn't benefit the wealthy. Wealthy people are huge net savers and lenders, they are hurt by low interest rates, middle-class people are net borrowers mostly for mortgages and gain from low interest rates.

>>66145019
Fuck off, you elitist prick. Nobody likes an ivory tower faggot looking down on everyone thinking he knows whats best for them.

>>66144540

Spread the 'free trade does wonders' word among the goyim, Pierre Goldberg.

>>66145066
I was talking about what the FED did after the crisis.

Though, one more time, the crisis happened as you told it because of a government. We shouldn't had insolvent people get subprime credits with a low interest rate.

>>66144423
ur mom sure doesn't mind getting the tip aha

>>66144540
But TTIP isn't a free trade agreement, it's just legislation to give even more power to corporates to fuck over everyone around them including national governments.

Are americans retarded or do they really think europe is mexico?

>>66145284
I don't see how it is bad. There are too many norms that cost too much and slow down the economy.

>>66145284
No it's not, its a free trade agreement and the part plebs are whining and crying about is that it would give companies an independent dispute court in case they were treated unfairly. Too bad that court would have zero power to enforce the rulings so governments would have to willingly play along.

>>66145362
>Hello, I'm an American company and I'm allowed to pump my waste into the river in America for a larger profit margin, so I'm going to sue your government until it allows to pump my waste into the river in your hometown, too, or gives me your tax money to compensate for my "damages" and lost revenue in your country.
Welcome to TTIP.

>>66144423
Yeah NAFTA did wonders for the working man. Can't wait for the nationalists to take control, you globalists will get what you deserve then.

>>66145382
they are allowed to fine any amount of money they want to, which the taxpayers have to shell out

>>66145423
Don't play the alarmists by giving non-senses. Companies will always be forced to respect some restrictions which will be the same between European countries and the USA.

>>66145468
Except not, since which ever country it's targeted at can just tell them to fuck off.

>>66145019
> doesn't mean every other middle class person is
> supporting agreements that would kill the middle class

I'd tell you to hang yourself, but your time will come soon either way.

>>66145424
Remind me how England became a superpower again... It's wasn't with protectionist policies. They followed the comparative advantages of Ricardo and opened themselves on the world while they used to not be competitive compared to Portugal in the example of Ricardo.
Take China again, it developed when it decided to open on the rest of the world with Deng Xiaoping.

>>66145499
Why do you think countries would make agreements that are nonbinding? If it were just an issue of companies sueing in foreign legal systems you wouldn't even need a trade agreement.

>>66145019
>ivy cunt
>middle class

>>66145573
All while the non elite classes suffered in what was essentially centralized serfdom to benefit the elite.

Fuck you and your globalist bullshit. Look at the demographics, there are countless lower/middle classes, the elite are few. Hope you're ready to step up to the guillotine faggot.

>>66145382

No, what is says is that playing ground must be levelled to the lowest common denominator, in this case, USA's regulation standards and companies could sue any Euro gov if they feel like the regulation and standards are higher, and therefore costlier, as in "baaaawwwwww,in muh state of Mississippi we no have to apply all those sets of safety standards and mandatory tests and equipment to manufacture americars, therefore I'm sueing you for not allowing my shit in!!".

>>66145612
Are you joking? It is especially what went out so many people from poverty.

>Look at the demographics, there are countless lower/middle classes, the elite are few. Hope you're ready to step up to the guillotine faggot.
This isn't caused by free trade agreements. Ban free trade and you will be poorer and poorer.

>>66145698
NAFTA has proven you wrong, free trade benefits labour in poorer countries at the cost of the first world middle class. The GDP growing doesn't mean things are getting better, purchasing power will shrink for the average family, people will get poorer and poorer while the GDP grows benefitting the elite/wealthy.

People like you are traitors to your fellow man.

>>66145698
Free trade is not the issue, the issue is that companies will leave so that they have to pay workers less, which is what nafta did. If you can have free trade and force the companies to stay here, you have my support

>>66144423
Invest in Eastern Poland, plox.

>>66145766
>free trade benefits labour in poorer countries
True
>at the cost of the first world middle class.
Wrong
>The GDP growing doesn't mean things are getting better, purchasing power will shrink for the average family,
True at very short term, wrong then because they find a better job and let manufacturing jobs to Mexicans and Chinese which allow them to get cheaper product and so increase their purchasing power and create jobs in the case of the State lets the markets does by itself.
>grows benefitting the elite/wealthy.
It has no relation with free trade agreement.

I'm talking for France, the main thing why the middle class is poorer is because we have a socialist country with a colossal useless State, households and companies have to pay taxes to feed it.
1) For householdes: it reduces their purchasing power, they consume less, reduce the activity, increase the unemployment, it's a vicious cercle.
2) For companies: it prevent them to employ someone, it also prevent them to invest and boost the economy

I don't say we don't have to tax people, it is iportant to take care of the management of a country, though direct taxes have a negative effect when they are too high and for France most of them are useless.

For the rich now, they are so rich that they don't care. They can also hide their money and hang action's companies for example, have often corruption links with the government...

>>66146092
> wrong because they find a better job

Lol just find a better job? Why don't people " just find better jobs now "? It's because you can't just conjure up a better job. Your goal is to turn the Middle and Lower classes in every first world nation onto the level of third world immigrants. You wish to betray your fellow countrymen for greed and personal gain, and that is why you won't be given mercy when the time comes.

>>66145824
Again, what countries in EU will american companies run off to?

None, because there are no countries in the EU with as bad protection against dismissal, as profound lack of unions or as small minimum salaries as the US, not to mention as low company taxation.

Americans really are stupid assholes who think europe is mexico, that's the whole gist of you being so against this isn't it?

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>I'm pro TTIP

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>I know what the pros, the cons and the implications of ttip are

>>66145573
No they didn't. Take India, one of the richest and most industrialized countries. English went there conquered it, destroyed the native industry and turned it into a resource colony.

"Free trade" was simply an ideological justification for empire and was used to protect English industry and prevent development of Indian one.

>>66146259
It's not about running off, it's about enforcing dogshit American market standards on European export markets.

>>66145573
>Remind me how England became a superpower again... It's wasn't with protectionist policies.
But that is EXACTLY how they did it it anon, it is how the US did it and it is how china are doing it right now. They were very protective of their own industry in order to build and maintain it, china hanst "opened up", it is actively trying to stop import to encourage consumption of products produced in china and keep money from going out, their open arms only goes one way which is outwards which brings money in.

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>>66146361
This

I'm pretty indifferent to free trade in itself, but ISDS is pretty spooky. As long as ISDS is still part of it, I'll be violently anti-TTIP.