Why is Lithuania so tsundere when it comes to Poland?

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really made me think

The breakup wasn't pretty and there was a lot of squabbling over who owns what

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>>66110769
Poland still loves Lithuania.

>>66110769
good post Finlan

But there was also a problem with Lithuanian "identity". In PLC being catholic pretty much equaled being a Pole, the whole Lithuania was Catholic, so majority considered themselves Polish and adapted the language, Lithuania language died off and had to be "revived"

They got POLED

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>>66110830
das rite

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>>66110860

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>>66110829
>fuckpagantrash
Why do you hate the beliefs of your Sarmatian forefathers?

>>66110829
If what you're saying is true then t's only natural considering that in the commonwealth most of the population was polish.

Although I keep hearing that lithuanians made up most of the nobility so I'm not sure what the dynamics were exactly.

>>66110987
>Although I keep hearing that lithuanians made up most of the nobility so I'm not sure what the dynamics were exactly.
I wouldn't say the "most" but a lot of them were. They got "polonised" though.

There were two languages of PLC: Polish and Latin, in some very eastern parts 'Ruthenian".

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>>66110715
They are simply the traitors that tried to take our capital why would we want to be friends with them?

>>66110829
> Lithuania language died off and had to be "revived"

That is false, it didn't die off peaseantry and minor nobility still spoke it it was the upper class nobility who adopted Polish language.

>so majority considered themselves Polish

That is false too, noble Lithuanians/Ruthenians used a term denoting their origin but considered themselves Polish in that sense as allegiance to country.

>Self-identifications during the existence of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth often made use of the Latin 'gens-natione' construct (familial or ethnic origin combined with a national identity).[7] The construct was used by the elite inhabitants of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, by the Ruthenian (Ukrainian and Belarusian) elites, and in Prussia. Religious affiliation was sometimes added, leading to self-identifications such as Natione Polonus, gente Ruthenus; Natione Polonus, gente Prussicus; or Natione Polonus, gente Ruthenus, origine Judaeus.

>Those who identified themselves as gente Lithuanus, natione Polonus ("a Lithuanian person of the Polish nation") were distinguished by their accent, customs, and cuisine, and did not perceive the categories as mutually exclusive.[17] A diminishing portion of Lithuanian nobility and most of the rural population in the territories of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania continued to use the Lithuanian language, especially in Samogitia, a practice that reached its nadir in the 18th century, and increased during the 19th-century Lithuanian National Revival.

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>>66111100
pic related
>>66111152
We don't need friends, especially not 2m population useless cunts that will get annexed by Russia soon.

>>66111199
2.5 lemon*
you fucking shitlord

>>66111194
>Samogitia
That's why we call you Żmudzins.

>>66111235
Epic.

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>>66111256
indeed

>>66110896
Switch this with a white woman and black men and it's the same shit. Race traitors are race traitors.

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>>66111320

>>66111372
>>66111320
>>66111273
>>66111256
>>66111235
>>66111231
>>66111199
>>66111194
>>66111152
>>66110896
>>66110860
wew lads sensing some hostility here

>>66111429
At least we don't hate each other.
r-r-right?

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>>66111429
The Polish cannot be trusted

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>>66111429
Nothing new, just typical polish-lithuanian thread. Again.

>>66111429
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E929gqIcwwI
>>66111469
says the:
>let's suck swedish dick to destroy Poland

>>66111455
nah we gud

>>66111469
>>66111496
you should make up and kiss and make it a threesome with >>66111489

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>>66111496
Veto
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>Lithuania
no such thing
>>>/x/

>>66111496
It was your own retard idea to let August the strong to attack us through your land.

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>>66111455
We hate you with a burning passion. The Eternal Cai-Göran shall hang for centuries of colonialism, exploitation, forced assimilation, cultural and ethnic genocide.
>>66111545
t. Per-Göran

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>it's Lithuania drags Poland into wars with Russia episode

>>66111194
But language and religion counted entirely more for categories of identity than other forms of communicated identity.

Therefore, you can be rich and szlachta-like, but no Polish language/Catholic religion? You ain't Polish.

Union with Lithuania was the worst thing that could happen to us we should ally with habsburgs instead look how Lithuania today is ungrateful that we defended their shithole

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>>66111609
We taught you how to read, pay up.

>>66111609
Oh great it's you, the legendary finnish autist who can't go a day without hating swedes.

Where can I subscribe to your blog?

>>66111670
>defended
You failed.
Failures doesn't deserve praise.

>>66110715
Lithuanians are afraid Poles will introduce education and culture to Lithuania.

>>66111714
if not you we would never be off the map for 123 years your country was a failure and your people are failures at least give back Wilno

>>66111678
Svecoman propaganda.
>>66111711
Save your insults, Cuckström. It might save you on the day of the rope.

>>66111670
We should fuck Habsburgs instead*

We lost Silesia and Pommerania because of Żmudzin apes.

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>>66111566
daily reminder that papiež was samogitian

>>66111751
>lose 100% of its war
>threaten to hang anyone
spurdo pls

>>66111714
>>66110715
Lithuanians are traitors.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_of_K%C4%97dainiai

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>It's the daily Polish butthurt thread

>>66111761
Silesia was never ours anyway its Czech clay

>>66111787
Silesia was a core Piast clay.

Its eagle was a Polish eagle. Silesians? Speak Polish.

>>66111761
Polish history is the one of a great nation with shitty allies and leaders.
Mind if I borrow some door knobs btw?

>>66110860
Is the tall polish grill retarded?

>>66111834
Give back the stairs.

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Poles are a lesser people, slavic subhumans. Notice how under the rule of natives Poland is always shit and prosper only when foreigners are in charge. They barely have any achievements, most of the notable and successful people from Poland were/are of foreign ancestry. They speak a repulsive language, look like orcs and annoy everyone with their subhuman behaviour. What is Poland known for in the world? For cheap labour, criminals, slutty women and retarded potato faced people. Even fucking Ukraine is more prestigious because at least they have nice language, interesting culture and beautiful nature. Poland has nothing. They are shit tier people and it's a big regret Germans and Russians didn't removed those lowly rats from the face of Earth. Poland was, is and will be that poor eastern country associated with misery and holocaust.
Pathetic joke of a country, the clown and anus of Europe

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>>66111779
>>lose 100% of its war
Nice bait, Svecoman shill.

>>66111823
last time i was in Silesia i didnt understand a thing and i am Polish

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>>66111860
:)
>>66111889
speech impediment from getting high on coal

>>66111860
t. Pole in denial

>>66111851
How about no?

>>66111873
>nothing to argue with
>post random pictures
You're only embarrassing yourself tbqh

>>66111873
Look at all that Finnish land we conquered.

>>66111972
Finnic people knew advanced technology like metallurgy which allowed us to prevail against Indo-Europeans, we're a conqueror people just like Magyars. Uralics are about 2000 years younger and a fairly late arrival yet we're here.

>>66111989
See >>66112028

Karma will see to the destruction of Sweden, so systematic genocide won't even be necessary. As for kotihurris, they'll hang regardless.

>>66112085
>We conquer
>We strong, we good!
>We conquered
>huh, bad! Conquerors bad!
Thought process of you ((And many Swedes too))

>>66112028
>>66112085
>replying to yourself
>WE WUZ
please stop

These threads are truly the best.

Sometimes I think that these discussions are made by bots.

Still I love 'em.

>>66112166
Christcuck Swedes and co only managed to take us post Christianization of Sweden with the help of the Pope and his mercenaries.

Lithuanians are incapable of building a civilization. They're the monkeys that didn't touch the monolith. They're busy touching themselves.

>>66112217
Which ones?

Finn and a Swede?

>>66112201
>>replying to yourself
>unironically being this dense
Kill yourself, please.

>>66112230
>And his mercenaries
>Implying the crusade consisted of anything else than Swedes
The crusade was just a moral boost.

>>66112230
but funland was already christianised before swedish conquest as proven by the shift from cremation to burial and the building of churches both which happened before the northern crusade

does this fact upset you?

>>66112262
>>Implying the crusade consisted of anything else than Swedes
Swedish propaganda that has nothing to do with reality. Ever since those days mercenaries became a vital part of the Swedish military, to which you owed most of your military success.

Is it the same Finn and Swede every time?

>>66112328
A few crosses in graves here and there isn't proof of a wide scale Christianization, something which we were never subjected to prior. It also doesn't prove that inhabitants of said graves were Christian.

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>>66110715
It goes both ways 2bh

>>66112251
Nah the Lithuanian-Polish ones.

But I see the Swedes and Finns have their thing going too.

Neat.

>>66112438
>>66112466
whoa. really made me think

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>>66112485
v
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>>66112328
>the shift from cremation to burial and the building of churches

>>66112341
Proofs?

I bet when russia starts taking the baltics Lithuanian will come crawling back to Poland

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Litwa~

>>66110739
why didn't you stick with chicken as well then? flags with pictures aren't functioning flags

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>>66110829
>In PLC being catholic pretty much equaled being a Pole,
No, no, no, being a noble (around 10% of PLC's population was noble), townsfolk or a free/royal peasant equaled with being Polish - of Polish, Ruthenian, Lithuanain, German, Dutch, Scottish, Irish, Jewish descent etc. etc. Just like in America, many people have different ethnicity, but all of them are Americans; so was in Poland, different ethnicity, but all the same nation, the Polish aka Polonus nation.
>>66111194
>noble Lithuanians/Ruthenians used a term denoting their origin but considered themselves Polish in that sense as allegiance to country.
Yes, origin as in ethnicity OR region, but being part of the Polish NATION.

For anyone interested on the subject.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwwXJ8u7eTM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwwXJ8u7eTM

>>66112437
>something which we were never subjected to prior
Except we we're, If you weren't an uneducated pleb who actually visited museums and read books instead of spouting memes on /int/ you'd know that finns had extensive contact with other baltic sea countries all through 600-1000 primarily through trade, which is the main way christianity spread in europe along with missionary work. The current consensus is that just like everywhere else spiritual culture was mainly a synergy of mainland european christianity and local customs and beliefs. Because finland wasn't as primal and closed off as the swedish meme you completely fell for claims.

Another great meme that all finns have fallen for is the concept of a 100% pagan finland being forcefully christianised and conquered by sweden in one fell swoop. I honestly don't know why this meme even exists. Martyrdom? General butthurt? Who knows.

>>66114378
Your color combination is really ugly. Estonia has good "cold" color combination, Finland too, Latvia and Poland so so, but Lithuania...
However, not me talk about it, i got ugly flag too:(

>>66114753
Got to be something.
Know there's people over here who think something something similar but about Sweden.

They also think that folklore surviving till today proves that Sweden never really was Christian, which I find hard to accept because that would mean Sweden isn't really secular now since people still believe in many Christian themes.

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>>66114378
>flags with pictures aren't functioning flags
Sadly this.
>>66114874
Your current flag is ugly but kinda neat at the same time tho... Some Belarusians knows what's up.

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>>66115925
Austria literally STOLE OUR flag! After partitioning us first...

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>>66115925

>>66114874
your flag is literally a carpet

>>66114753
Not him but Finland wasn't "Christianized" by a long shot at that point. Yes, we'd had missionaries since the 7th century (from slavic lands), but christianity was still in its baby boots over here.

>>66116120
WHY NOT... Bring back the PLC goddammit!

>>66114697
>many people have different ethnicity, but all of them are Americans; so was in Poland, different ethnicity, but all the same nation, the Polish aka Polonus nation.

Now I see why Lithuanians hate you.

>>66114925
Ironically enough I blame american tv shows like vikings and game of thrones that make people go WE WUZ.

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>>66116189
>Now I see why Lithuanians hate you.
They have an inferiority complex, even tho their elites (magnates and nobles) CHOSE to Polonise themselves, followed by their subjects - because of attractive culture, superior and liberal laws and an actual existing writing system.
P.S. It was Poland who Christianized Lithuania and gave them their knight/noble coat of arms - nobilised many of them, literally cultured them from their savage pagan and illiterate ways.

>>66115925
Seriously, the only thing Belarus alternative flag ever make me think of is menstruation.

>diaspora talking about Lithuanian "inferiority complex"
really makes you think

>>66116342
>>66116581
we don't have an inferiority complex, though
we're just plain inferior, nothing complex about it

>>66116629
>we're just plain inferior, nothing complex about it
Wow, I didn't expect this coming from a Lith. Sure you aren't Russian?

>>66116724
I am Galindian

>>66116342
Why do those clothes look so Asian?

>>66116163
Because people give what was historically a gradual process more noteworthiness than it deserves. In the context of the new swedish kingdom extending eastwards and consolidating their hold on both sides of the gulf of bothnia you could even call christianisation a byproduct of said expansion since it certainly wasn't the main motivation. The fact that the swedish kingdom conquered the area now known as finland is what people should focus on instead of cultivating martyrdom over some imaginary lost way of life.

What really gets me though is people pretending that if swedes for some reason had not conquered finland we'd somehow be still living as pagans, which is just plain retarded. Swedes taking over beats having had the teutonic order or muscovites be in charge.

>>66116793
Tartar influence

>>66116828
Like the sauce?

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>>66116793

Because we are Iranic Sarmatians from Asia.

>>66114874
white and red is best possible color combination

>>66116895
Poland is so confusing

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>>66116737
Semi or Lat? And aren't you supposed to be extinct btw?
>>66116793
Because of
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarmatism
Polish nobles believe that they their ancestors were the Sarmatians who came from northern Iran, who migrated to Europe and settled around the Vistula river few hundred years before Poland was formed. Actually modern DNA-haplogroup techniques and ongoing research start to confirm this.

Vandals and Lugii ("German"ians originally from Scandinavian, Sarmatians/Scythians (Iranian Aryans originally from northern Iranian/Persian Empire) and Venedi (proto-Slavs) intermingled with each other on the Vistula river and became known as the Lechitic tribes, which later united and formed Poland.

>>66116956
Would be simpler if Russia and Germany just annexed it ((The door knobs and stairs go to Sweden))

>>66110715
Who cares about Litwa anymore? Like honestly, till the end of days they will always be salty. I say leave them alone.

>>66117084
Eastern kind, not the gay kind.
One day I will return to Maskva and rule teh slavs as decreed by the heavens.

>>66117084
>Actually modern DNA-haplogroup techniques and ongoing research start to confirm this.
No, it doesn't. In fact the opposite, genetics refuted theories about sarmatian origin.

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>>66117304
No it does fucking not.

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>>66110715
drived past picrel today
pretty rad

>>66117084
>Vandals and Lugii ("German"ians originally from Scandinavian, Sarmatians/Scythians (Iranian Aryans originally from northern Iranian/Persian Empire) and Venedi (proto-Slavs) intermingled with each other on the Vistula river and became known as the Lechitic tribes, which later united and formed Poland.
bullcrap taken right from your arse

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>>66117338

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>>66117354
>The Sarmatians were eventually decisively assimilated (e.g. Slavicisation) and absorbed by the Proto-Slavic population of Eastern Europe.[10][11][12][13]

> Adams, Douglas Q. (1997). Encyclopedia of Indo-European Culture. Taylor & Francis. p. 523. "(..) In their Ukrainian and Polish homeland the Slavs were intermixed and at times overlain by Germanic speakers (the Goths) and by Iranian speakers (Scythians, Sarmatians, Alans) in a shifting array of tribal and national configurations."

>Women in Russia. Stanford University Press. 1977. p. 3. "(..) Ancient accounts link the Amazons with the Scythians and the Sarmatians, who successively dominated the south of Russia for a millennium extending back to the seventh century B.C. The descendants of these peoples were absorbed by the Slavs who came to be known as Russians."

>Slovene Studies. 9–11. Society for Slovene Studies. 1987. p. 36. "(..) For example, the ancient Scythians, Sarmatians (amongst others), and many other attested but now extinct peoples were assimilated in the course of history by Proto-Slavs."

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I'm sorry but Poles are actually East Germanics. Here is a picture that proves I'm right

>>66117347
Near my home.

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>>66117612
Forgot pic.

>>66117338
You are retarded. Stop talking about things you don't understand.
There's no single "R1a" haplogroup but many different subclades of it. Sarmatians were of subclade which is almost non-existent in Poland. That subclade is also not ancestral to Polish subclades which means Sarmatian are not ancestors of Poles.
In other words your map proves nothing.

>>66117471

>>66117641

>>66117639
>>66117612
If Belorussians think they're actually Lithuanian then why don't they speak the Lithuanian language?

>>66117639
>Vitaut
I thought it was Vitold

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>>66117471
Forgot link.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarmatians
P.S. Aryan = Sarmatian/Scythian = Iranian

>the Sarmatians started their westward migration around the 6th century BC, coming to dominate the closely related Scythians by the 2nd century BC.[2] The Sarmatians differed from the Scythians in their veneration of the god of fire rather than god of nature, and women's prominent role in warfare, which possibly served as the inspiration for the Amazons.[2] At their greatest reported extent, around 1st century AD, these tribes ranged from the Vistula River

>With the Hunnic invasions of the 4th century, many Sarmatians joined the Goths and other Germanic tribes (Vandals) in the settlement of the Western Roman Empire.

> Pliny the Elder (23–79 AD) wrote that they ranged from the Vistula River (in present-day Poland) to the Danube.

>Pliny the Elder writes (4.12.79–81):

> From this point (the mouth of the Danube) all the races in general are Scythian, though various sections have occupied the lands adjacent to the coast, in one place the Getae ... at another the Sarmatae ... Agrippa describes the whole of this area from the Danube to the sea ... as far as the river Vistula in the direction of the Sarmatian desert ... The name of the Scythians has spread in every direction, as far as the Sarmatae and the Germans, but this old designation has not continued for any except the most outlying sections ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarmatians

>>66117589
I NEVER CLAIMED THAT WAS NOT THE CASE. Read my comments again... >>66117084 >>66117471

>>66117705
considering that chancery slavonic was the most spoken language in the gdl, one could argue that they did, in fact, speak lithuanian

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>>66117589
All people originate from MULTIPLE ANCESTORS, also MULTIPLE DIFFERENT PEOPLE/TRIBES.

>>66117639
So did Lukashenka already put artist in jail for this?

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>>66117727
>>66117783
POLES ARE BASICALLY GERMANS 2.0 AND DON'T YOU DARE THINK OTHERWISE
WE ARE 100% WENDS AKA VANDALS

>>66114753
>>66116814
Again, trading with Christians does not make us Christian. Neither does a small number of converts. Swedes got thoroughly Christianized and became loyal servants of the Pope, through the assistance of whom Sweden went on to conquer pagan lands it otherwise could have not.

>>66117705
They do. In the past "Lithuanian" meant something different than today

>>66117845
t. huge inferiority complex

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>>66117845
>WENDS
Wends were basically Slavs, or Slavicised Scandinavians, or a mix of both, there are multiple theories on their origin. Polish roots are not fully, but only PARTLY GERMANIAN/SCANDINAVIAN you retard. >>66117727
Wends were only one Slavic tribe, there were multiple ones which united into Poland, and some Vandals and Sarmatians assimilated into/formed those.

>Brzezinski, Richard; Mielczarek, Mariusz (2002). The Sarmatians, 600 BC-AD 450. Osprey Publishing. p. 39. "(..) Indeed, it is now accepted that the Sarmatians merged in with pre-Slavic populations."

If you want to argue with professors from universities like Standford and researchers, then you do that, I'll pass.

>Women in Russia. Stanford University Press. 1977. p. 3. "(..) Ancient accounts link the Amazons with the Scythians and the Sarmatians, who successively dominated the south of Russia for a millennium extending back to the seventh century B.C. The descendants of these peoples were absorbed by the Slavs who came to be known as Russians."

VENEDI/LUGII + SARMATIANS + VENEDI --> LECHITES = POLES

>>66116189
>many people have different ethnicity, but all of them are Americans; so is in UK, different ethnicity, but all the same nation, the British aka Bong nation.
Now I see why Irish hate you.

>>66118155
>VENEDI/LUGII + SARMATIANS + VENEDI --> LECHITES = POLES
*VANDALS/LUGII + SARMATIANS + VENEDI --> LECHITES = POLES

>>66118155
Did Sweden get a surge of Polish immigrants recently to clean Swedish cuck sheds?

Every time these threads turn out the same
Stop making them

>>66118226
I'll come soon to clean up your mums pussey.

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>>66116793
>he doesn't know the sarmatian menes
Poles were wewuzing a long time before it was called wewuzing

>>66118287
MY

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>>66117709
No, all same names, but without "-us", "-is".
>>66117812
Still draws as i see.

>>66118155
WENDS = VANDALS = EAST GERMANCIS

>>66118259
SHUT THE FUCK UP WE ARE DISCUSSING POLISH ORIGINS HERE

>>66118287
And that "wewuzing" actually became real, or is becoming more and more real. There is ongoing research by geneticists which show this theory as more and more credible.
Not to mention Polish noble coat of arms, which are similar, almost identical to Sarmatian warrior tamgas.

>>66118382
good post mate

>>66118355
>EAST GERMANCIS
"GERMAN"ICS =/= GERMAN

>>66117589
No, actually Germans are Western Poles

>>66118327
bulbas bulbis bulbius :DDD

>>66118422
YES AGREED

>>66117858
Tell me about what assistance we got from the pope?

>>66118432
Lel.

>>66118382
there's no valid and warrantable way to check whether drużyny książęce utilised personal coats of arms and whether these evolved into later Golden Age coats of arms

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>mfw this whole thread
>>66118302
BYLI
>>66118382
>And that "wewuzing" actually became real, or is becoming more and more real.
As an unironic follower of meme magic I am fully aware of that
>Polish noble coat of arms, which are similar, almost identical to Sarmatian warrior tamgas.
Oh yeah, I heard about tamgas. Post them please, I know you probably have like a whole folder of them.

>>66118431
Correction: eastern Germans are West Slavs in denial, conquered and assimilated by the Saxons.
Sorbs is the only remaining Slavic tribe that still hasn't been fully assimilated.

>>66117858
Thanks for posting your fanfic stupid cunt.

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>>66118548
SARMACI

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>>66118604
I CHUJ

>>66118548
>Post them please, I know you probably have like a whole folder of them.
Yes, on my MacBook, who's piece of shit battery just died... I'm on my stationary. Eh, I can post them again with a little bit of google magic tho... but I don't know if many are interested.

>>66118556
No, Poles are East Germanics.

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>>66118604
I CHUJ
>>66118432
I never understood where does that bulba nickname come from, is it ruskie slang?

>>66118633
... I think we are done here.

>>66118685
are you aware of Burgundians, Goths and so on

>>66118658
Bulba means potato in Belarusian.

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>>66118631
post them please, here have a cute girl in mundur

>>66118793
Can you please post more cute Polish girls?
I don't have anything to return unfortunately

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>>66118899
>I don't have anything to return unfortunately

How about the gratitude that we teached you how to use fork?

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>>66118899
here
>>66118958
kek

>>66118958
Thank you for cutlery and improved toilet systems.
Now please post qt Poles

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>>66118658
potato belt of yurop

>>66119192
>brambory
:^^^)

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>>66119192
>Brambory

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>>66118793
Fuck... you, oh well

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>>66119082

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>>66119267

>>66110896
>World Financial Group

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>>66119471

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>>66119511

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>>66119613

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>>66119192
changed Wielkopolska

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>>66118749
>>66119192
>bulba
>bulwa
oh, I get it now
>>66119192
>peruna means potato in Finnish
Perun confirmed for potato god
>>66118958
kek
>>66119082

Pavojuj motina-tėvynė;
Ateina audra iš pietų!
Tai lenkas, išgama tautų,
Mums neša pančius ir žudynę,
Dvarų ieškodams prarastų.

Dar vakar svetimoj vergijoj
Prieš caro klaupės dievukus, -
Prancūzo nūn globoj puikus
Mums švaisto gautu kalaviju
Ir mūsų degina laukus.

Gana po priedanga brolystės
Mums čiulpė syvus pasalais!
Kultūros savo skarmalais
Mums plėšė kalbą dėl lenkystės
Ir smaugė savo verpalais!

Dabar šalin numetęs kaukę,
Ginkluotus siunčia plėšikus
Ir taško mums kraujais laukus,
O po Europą visgi šaukia,
Kad tai ne jų būrys smarkus.

Gana lietuviškos kantrybės!
Ginkluota kelkis; Lietuva!
Dienelė laukia nelengva!
Bet gelbės dangiškos galybės,
Ir paskutinė bus kova!

Petys į petį už tėvynę!
Nuo Palangos lig Varėnos,
Sulaukę puotos kruvinos,
Kaip mūsų proseniai ją gynė,
Taip ginsme sūnūs šios dienos!

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>>66119471
>>66119613
nice

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>>66119655

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>>66119803

>>66118572
Not an argument, Cuckmansson.

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>>66119842
We are looking for THESE.

>>66118457
The Pope always generously financed crusaders in their ventures. Christcuck Swedes were no exception.

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>>66119802
Yeah. Some Polish noble families have been passing down this information or "legend" for generations, literally thousands of years. :)

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>>66119881

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>>66120090

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>>66120199
Tamgas specific to Sarmatians

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>>66120281

>>66120281
>>66120319
has anyone deciphered what they meant?

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>>66120319
Polish knight/noble coat of arms.
>>66120349
No, don't think so >>66119881
Neither the rune ones >>66119842

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A wiecie kurwy jebane, że nasi przodkowie założyli Danię?

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>>66120281
was there an Sarmatian alphabet? or are tamgas just random symbols

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>>66118572
kotihurri is butthurt

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>>66120419
Sarmatians confirmed Nazis

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>>66118572
Kek Cuckström swede is too strong with this one.

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>>66120431
Top kek...

>>66116793
They don't though, fuck off new worlder

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>>66120618

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>>66120618
>Denmark’s genetic history has never been studied in detail. In this work, we analysed genetic and anthropometrical data from ~800 Danish students as part of an outreach activity promoting genomic literacy in secondary education. DNA analysis revealed remarkable homogeneity of the Danish population after discounting contributions from recent immigration. This homogeneity was reflected in PCA and AMOVA, but also in more sophisticated LD-based methods for estimating admixture. Notwithstanding Denmark’s homogeneity, we observed a clear signal of Polish admixture in the East of the country, coinciding with historical Polish settlements in the region before the Middle Ages. In addition, Denmark has a substantially smaller effective population size compared to Sweden and Norway, possibly reflecting further lack of strong population structure. None of these three Scandinavian countries seems to have suffered a depression due to the Black Death in the Middle Ages. Finally, we used the students’ genetic data to predict their adult height after training a novel prediction algorithm on public summary statistics from large GWAS. We validated our prediction using the students’ self-reported height and found that we could predict height with a remarkable ~64% accuracy.

http://www.abstractsonline.com/Plan/ViewAbstract.aspx?sKey=ac1ca3bb-2232-49e5-b2f8-4292c03316e6&cKey=14dca6cd-3337-4e69-964b-8d8de88a982d&mKey=724c3001-0be7-4c9f-b314-ddac3db6fc2a

MY BYLI Z DANII I CHUJ

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>>66112166
4 times more men+ vatican help for last Crusade+ Western Civilization came you earliel

vs. Very separated country, since our endless lakes with thousands of littlevillages.

And the way you speak like you did something grteat, im glad sweden will burn

Funny thing, you are doing none when immigrants attack your country.

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>>66120756

>>66120756
Danes are basically Germans genetically and not Scandinavian so this isn't surprising

>>66120893
Does this mean we wuz german kangz n sheisse?
>>66120883
to Himmlerowska wersja z tym 966 tyle, że polacy to takie małpy, że mają w dupie własną historie,.

>>66120864
No Finn so far have been able to specify what help we got from the vatican.
Also, petty tribes in Estonia held out better than what you did.

>>66120991
Actually, we are pretty fucking close.

>t. guy with half his grandparents from prussia.

>>66121115
Yeah, there was some Polish study made and it says we're 50-50 the same people.

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>>66121023
Come now, you go on a crusade and think the Pope wouldn't be financing it and providing mercenaries as he did for all other crusades in exchange for spreading his faith? They're called crusades to Finland and not the conquest of Finland for a reason, the latter is just something the Pope would reward you with along with all other pagan lands should you manage to convert the local populations.

>>66121023
>Also, petty tribes in Estonia held out better than what you did.
Svecoman propaganda at work aga

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>>66120893
Germanic tribes like the Vandals and Goths basically from Scandinavia.
>>66121115
Pic related were Prussians.

>>66121233
>aga
again*
like sheesh, the nerve you fucks have is astounding
even when your wives are getting pounded by nigger cock you keep on lying

WIR WAREN KONIGE UND SHEISSE

>>66121373
KAISER!

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>>66121155
Ehm... >>66117783 >>66117845

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>>66121475
>Kaiser
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAbtxqKgeu4

the one and only

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>>66120991
So, going back after a tiring search for >>66120883
Yes indeed. :D

>>66121543
He fucked up, I wish he had been smarter than to stop the friendship treaty with russia and going to agressive around about colonies.

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>>66121565

>>66111231
not him, but my sources say that Lithuania has about 3.5 million, not 2.5.

>>66121175
Or maybe the Pope just told us that he wanted us to go conquer some pagan lands at our borders? Then we used that as a moral boost?
That's all I find. Pope held Finland under his protection, had an exception for Sweden and then told us to invade. He said it was ours, like he said Brazil belonged to Portugal.
There should be some sources on him sending money or soldiers if that's the case, no?

>>66121233
Admit it, Estonians are the ubermensch of the Finnics.

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>>66120443
Don't know, tamgas might have been used as an alphabet, might had some meaning, or at least should.
>Pierwsze odmiany herbu Łada kolejno: herb Łada z herbarza Ambrożego „Ars Regni Poloniae” (przed 1572 r.), herb Łada na pieczęci Włodka z Rzepiszewa (XV w.), herb Łada z „Herbów rycerstwa polskiego" Bartosza Paprockiego (1584 r.).

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>>66121023
Give me sources on last one, also info spreading thought Baltic gave optimistic sources to grow a great a nation ready to defend on that time modern warfare. Also oldest in these days remained Estonian castle is way older than even our first known fight.
We were the last and northernmost land sealed by the Sea From West and South. And you striked with those effects.

And you feel broud?

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>>66121722

>>66121565

>Lefcus Niger

:DDDD

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>>66121764

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>>66121813

>>66121794
It's Lescus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_s

>>66121660
lies lies lies

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>>66121849
Sarmatian tamgas again

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>>66121794
polacks were black kangz until germans replaced them with germans.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leszek_II_the_Black

>>66121873
I wasnt sure, I know we use that in older documents but I thought it was a german thing, like Sütterlin.

Thanks for clearing that up.

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>>66121895
Now Polish coat of arms once again for comparison

>>66121678
>Or maybe the Pope just told us that he wanted us to go conquer some pagan lands at our borders? Then we used that as a moral boost?
Improbable, given how the Vatican did provide mercenaries and financing most of the time.
>That's all I find
You found nothing, some bullshit Swedish sources aren't reliable (assuming you didn't pull that from your ass). There's no reason the Pope would have made an exception with Sweden in regard to providing assistance.

>>66121911
Oh come on, leave them alone...or give them back to us if they are so annoying :^)

Also, seems like osmething we would do!

After all we HATE black people and have enslaved them for milennia instead of our WAY closer neighbours!

>Tfw we payed all the colonial soldiers who fought for us in WW1 their deserved pension until they died even as BRD, proud we didn't ditch them.

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>>66121961
At Grunwald in 1410, BTFOing Teutons.

>>66121724
The Swedes tried to invade Estonia but got beaten to pieces.
The Danes invaded and almost lost and only got saved on the brink of descrtuction by their vassals (That battle where the Danish flag is said to have fallen from the sky)) and managed to severely damage the Teutons and Danes in some of their rebellions such as the St.Georges Night uprising which Danes and Teutons had to work together to defeat. This was despite the Swedes not being near enough to bring any support to the rebels.This stands a bit in contrast to Finland in which the Swedes did it on their first try ((The first Finnish crusade isn't historically testified))

And this was more as an answer to that earlier map which showed all of Norrland plus big parts of Svealand to be Finnish, which would be far more to conquer than just Finland.

>>66121965
He don't seem to have provided any support in the Aragonese Crusade for one, just told the belligerents Aragon was fair game.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aragonese_Crusade

>Swedish sources aren't trustworthy
Know what, I am going to leave this now then.

>>66122138
I read the Teutons were still pretty nasty, even though you had them vastly outnumbered.

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>>66122037
modern day Silesians are pretty much Eastern-Eastern Poles wewuzing about being germans lmao.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_JJBxh-GnQ

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>>66122236

>>66122242
I would not mind, can't be worse than turks/maghrebi.

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>>66122236
It was a long and tough battle, the largest medieval battle ever fought. Polish and Lithuanian banners which participated.

>>66122290
Interesting.

How the teutons managed their state was in general pretty impressive (and brutal) at that time.

Very strictly organised and rather well run, wouldn't have been possible against so many rather hostile people otherwise as well.

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>>66122380

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>>66122425

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>>66122411
Yeah, I admire Teutons for managing to make their own country inside pretty much another country.
They were probably the most advanced in that time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_Homage
Was a fuckup on Polish part though. Instead of annexing Teutons after their defeat, Polish king created Prussia lol.

Always makes me sad, how Germans never cared and were brutal/barbarian towards their neighbours but we sucked dick and tried to be nice thinking it won't bite us in the ass.

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>>66122411
I know what you meant, but no, no, the Teutons were the aggressive ones. Polish prince, Konrad of Masovia, should never had invited the Teutonic Order to northern Poland to fight against the pagan original Prussians in the first place... One of Poland's biggest mistakes, a cancer which Poland created itself, which grew, then Poland had the chance to remove it, but instead created Prussia as a vassal to Poland, it grew even more, later proving fatal to its creator...

>>66122520
I believe it was the monastic part, same how the church was run.

They didnt care for a lot of stuff "normal" people had on their mind.

They officially had no real property, only their job and therefore tried to do it well.

After all how the papal state and church organised itself were holdovers from roman rimes and the seed for future organisation of european states.

There was a reason abbots and bishops often had advisory function beyond their religious role.

They were in general highly educated and organised.

About that hommage thing:

I think mostly that few decisions were done just out of good or bad feelings except in extremes.

I believe that there was a lot of diplomacy involved with the pope and the Holy Roman Emperor.

Americans didn't give us the marshall plan because they were nice, mostly.

>On the other hand , if you look at Stalin and Hitler....

>>66122659
What? I know they were agressive.

Please don't inrepret me defending them.

I am just saying that the Teutons were hard bad-asses. Doesn't mean they weren't dicks.

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>>66122520
>In January 1943 the SS Germanische Leitstelle in occupied Zakopane in the heartland of the Tatra mountains embarked on a recruitment drive, with the objective being to create a brand new Waffen-SS highlander division. Some 200 young Goralenvolk signed up after having been given unlimited supplies of alcoholic drinks. They boarded a train to Trawniki, but got off the train in nearby Maków Podhalański, when they had become sober. Only twelve men arrived at the SS training base in Trawniki next to Lublin. At the first opportunity they got into a major fistfight with the Ukrainians, causing havoc. They were arrested and sent away. The whole idea was abandoned as impossible by SS-Obergruppenführer Krüger in occupied Kraków by an official letter of April 5, 1943.[7] The failure has inevitably contributed to his dismissal on November 9, 1943, by Governor General Hans Frank.[8] Krüger committed suicide in upper Austria two years later.[9]
Ever played this anyone?

>>66122692
Shit happens.
>>66122736
They were.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obiChPNqQeI
>>66122751
Goralenvolk was the best meme Germans ever created.

teutons were the good guys, tbqh

>>66122871
How so?

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>>66122871
I agree.

Especially when they slaughtered Lithuanian monkeys and Estonian mongols.

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>>66122520
We were always to kind and naive... not always but mostly.
>>66122736
Yeah, but there were only about 200 of them really. Their armies consisted out of mercenaries, mostly imported from the HRE.

>>66122905
they slaughtered Lithuanian monkeys and Estonian mongols

>>66122216
>He don't seem to have provided any support in the Aragonese Crusade for one
The French army at the time had its fair share of mercenaries already, many of whom were financed by, surprise surprise, the Pope.
>Know what, I am going to leave this now then
Alright.

>>66122871
Lol, Lithuania would cease to exist if not for Poland uniting with it against the Teutons. Same case later on with the three major wars with Muscovy.
>>66122973
Russian detected.

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>>66119928

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>>66122461
So seriously, do any of you see the similarities or not???

>>66122939
>>66122973
Kek.

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>>66122947
>We were always to kind and naive... not always but mostly.
For majority of the time though. And still pretty much are.
>>66122973
high quality post

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>>66123041

>>66122986
>Funded by the pope
Proofs?
Just want to add
>Sweden is cucked beyond relief
>Sweden will falsify its own history to make it seem better
That logic seems rather contradictory for me.

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>>66123082
Better closeup

>>66123104
>>Sweden will falsify its own history to make it seem better
Falsified, rather. All of this shit was written down centuries ago.

>>66123067
I am unsure about that Meme, I remember enough threads with raging lithuanians and how poles brag about conquering Moscow.

Personally,I believe you had less options to be dickish.

When othery bully you its hard to bully others at the same time.

>Being hedged in between germany,Austria and Russia was reaaaaally bad luck.

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Lithuania is mine
http://youtu.be/lxO1nHKeaKE

>>66116189
He is right tho, people described themselved as:
>Natione Polonus, gente Ruthenus;
>Natione Polonus, gente Prussicus;
>Natione Polonus, gente Ruthenus, origine Judaeus

"A Polish national, born as a Ruthenian/Prussian" etc., exactly like people who say that they are German-American, Polish-American etc.

>>66123000
I am Galindian

>>66123211
OR, maybe, like in ye olde days when local identities were much stronger in germany.

All were german, but a bavarian was a bavarian and not a frisian.

Its sad that we lost so many sub branches of our language due to unification, low german, alemannic or letzeburgisch and related dialects are pretty cool.

>>66123153
And now the modern Swedish academia is continuing?
Because you don't seem to trust that either.

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>>66123153

>>66123179
>Being hedged in between germany,Austria and Russia was reaaaaally bad luck.
Except we had many oportunities to be dicks.

During Piast Era, our main rivals were: HRE and Czechs.
After that it switched to: Muscovy/Russia and Mongol/Tatar leftovers.

We had a chance to reclaim Silesia, when Austria begged for help with Ottomans during first Siege of Vienna, we didn't get anything from it, because muh honour muh god, muh values.

We held Moscow and could just slaughter their population like pigs, instead we played the good guys.

After WW1, we trashed Red Army so hard they demobilised. But we signed the peace treaty from the point of a loser.

Polish history is full of such mistakes.

hope you can understand, I'm drunk as fuck.

>>66123292
>>66123307
>And now the modern Swedish academia is continuing
Basically, the naivete of contemporary Swedes extends well beyond their attitudes to refugees.

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>>66123117
PERSIAN (IRANIAN (SARMATIAN) = ARYAN ) TAMGAS
Look at that three swastika alike with three limbs, then at the Polish "Kroje/a" aka Rola >>66120419

>>66123378
Sort of, but why did you sign as losers?

Sounds pretty stupid, the rest i can sort of chalk up as goodness.

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>>66116956
these clothes are very comfy, tho, much better than modern suits

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>>66123429
>Sort of, but why did you sign as losers?
Our "supreme leader" was Bolshevist sympathiser. He prefered them to White Russia.

>>66123406
your claim seems plausible.
Post some evidence and i will believe you

>>66117639
that "y" with a dot is like English "w"?

>>66123406
And any self hate shouldn't lead to you trusting your ancestors less because they were ebil sexist white males?

>>66123485
Wasn't it because they thought taking more land would lead to you gaining to many nonPoles in your country as well as possibly lead to the Reds losing the war? ((Which could end with the Entante siding with White Russia against Poland)))

>>66123485
WHAT?

Oh god, the hopeless romantic...

>>66123510
http://pakana.greatnow.com/HISTORY.HTM

>>66117705
>If Belorussians think they're actually Lithuanian then why don't they speak the Lithuanian language?
see:
>The Statutes of Lithuania, originally known as the Statutes of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania (Lithuanian: Lietuvos statutai, Belarusian: Cтaтyты Bялiкaгa княcтвa Лiтoўcкaгa, Polish: Statuty litewskie), were a 16th-century codification of all the legislation of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania and its successor, the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth. The Statutes consist of three legal codes (1529, 1566 and 1588), all written in Ruthenian language, translated into Latin and later Polish.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statutes_of_Lithuania

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>>66123549
>Wasn't it because they thought taking more land would lead to you gaining to many nonPoles in your country as well as possibly lead to the Reds losing the war? ((Which could end with the Entante siding with White Russia against Poland)))
This too.

But taking pic related with Polish MAJORITIES. Or even pushing to Moscow and just genociding Russians was possible.

The Polish people there got slaughtered by Bolsheviks once we signed the treaty.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Operation_of_the_NKVD_(1937%E2%80%9338)
>>66123569
Romanticism is the biggest cancer of the Polish thinking and needs to be ausrotten

Polacks literally thought during Partitions that the only reason they got screwed is because Poland is the christ of nations and needs to suffer lmao.

>>66123549
>And any self hate shouldn't lead to you trusting your ancestors less because they were ebil sexist white males
Swedes don't really think things that far as we're sort of paleish, consequently it's also the reason why discrimination of Finns is still socially acceptable in Sweden.

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>>66123433
When will Sarmatian fashion return? Those damn French pushed out a bit of our culture. :/
>>66123485
>Our "supreme leader" was Bolshevist sympathiser.
Not really, he just saw more danger in White Russia, which wanted Pilsudski to help them against the Reds, but at first they gave no guarantees for letting Polish lands go independent, while Lenin said he saw the 1772-1795 partitions of Poland as a mistake and those borders could be returned.
P.S. Of course later on those lands, and western Europe, would be conquered by the Bolsheviks WORLD REVOLUTION anyway, communism would dominate!

>>66123801
>Not really, he just saw more danger in White Russia, which wanted Pilsudski to help them against the Reds, but at first they gave no guarantees for letting Polish lands go independent, while Lenin said he saw the 1772-1795 partitions of Poland as a mistake and those borders could be returned.
We could still outkike both of them.

Fuck, am I the only one eager to open death camps for "minorities" ? :^)

must be Saxon blood in me.