You wake up in 1900 Europe

>>65873405
why is stuff like palestina seen as international crime, but the larger scale ethnic cleansing of eastern germans isnt?

>>65873405
Too late to kill Marx, I would go for Hitler and Lenin.

>>65873470
what cleansing? we're still here

>>65873470
because we lost the war

>>65873405
Thanks god

>>65873405
I will destroy Communizm and kill rasputin

I would share my very minor logic on relativity with the Germans and hope they win a war against Russia with it.

>>65873470

because Germans behaved like animals for decades, even before nazism was a thing.
No country with a German minority felt safe from a future German invasion.

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>>65873496
>Hitler
then i would stop you

>>65873405
Go to America.

>>65873405
Go to Brazil.

Go to Argentina.

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I would be a proud citizen of the Reich and when the great war comes I would fight fur Kaiser und Vaterland to stop france and uk from corrupting Europe and prevent edgy nazis from taking over Germany and ruining it in the long run

Central powers should have won the great war

>>65874229
good lad

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>You wake up in 1900 Europe

I live in Austria Hungary. The best Empire

>>65874229
>hurr is the nazis fault
Guess they should just let jews fuck up all their country, like they are doing now.

>>65873405
I hope my passport still works so I can go home before shit hits the fan

>>65874229
This, everything would be fine if German Empire won

>>65874597
>/pol/ argument
>coming from a third-world non-white country
how typical

>>65874776
>poolish doesn't know what an argument is
>coming from the scum of the scum of Europe
Meh, made me reply;

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>>65873405
I-I'm sure the union won't fall

>>65874776
How does his country affect his argument in any way?

I would get chased out of Warmia along with my family because we speak polish and were living here for hundreds of years.

You see, Germans don't like locals on the lands they take.

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FUCK THE GERMANS

FUCK THE GERMANS

FUCK THE GERMANS

FUCK THE GERMANS

VOUS N'AUREZ PAS L'ALSACE ET LA LORRAINE

Fuck Africans and the Chinese too.

>>65874229
Kill yourself, you nigger.

Prussians were like Nazis, they did the same minus death camps.

>>65873405
Warn Willi and Franz Ferdinand. Ally with the Russians. Destroy great britain and france.

>>65875197
nah Prussians were the good guys
They were a bit though on the Poles though

>>65875255
you cant ally with the russians without alienating the austrians though

>>65875352
It's the only way to save our countries.

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>>65875263
>a bit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_deportations
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kulturkampf

>destroying churches in Poland
>deporting Poles
>fighting with Polish language
>bastardizing Polish cities to make them look simpler.
>removing and rewriting Polish history
No, not Nazis at all.

POOLAND, GIVE IT BACK TO GERMANY THE LANDS THAT THE KIKES GAVE IT TO YOU.
FUCKING KIKE LOVERS.

>>65875450
different times. everybody opressed minorities back then

>>65875556
Not on the Prussian level.

Bismarck wanted to wipe us out too.

>>65875389
or maybe just not declare war on the whole world?

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>>65875556
>>65875594
Wait, I didn't notice the "MINORITY"

We were majority in most of the Prussian regions. It was Frederick at Bismarck that changed that.

>>65875594
>be Pole
>complain about Germany taking refugees in 2016
>complain about Germany deporting refugees in 1885

>>65875594
>Bismarck wanted to wipe us out too.
That's bullshit tho.
" I have full sympathy with their condition[]"
Bismarck

>>65873470
Cleansing? They just got deported, and they have monuments all over the countries

>>65875760
this
Bismarck was a friend and ally of Polish people

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>>65875738
>ethnic inhabitants are refugees

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Resist attempts by the ryssä menace to russify funland

>>65876612
> run by German junkers, who employed thousands of migrating Poles from the Russian and Austrian part of partitioned Poland.
>the resulting increase of the Polish population alarmed nationalist German circles, including Germany's chancellor Otto von Bismarck.

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>>65876965
>build new country on cores of old Polish country
>complain there are Polish people there

>>65875450
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_deportations

Deporting foreign citizens isn't really extreme, even for todays standards

>>65875693

>We were majority in most of the Prussian regions. It was Frederick at Bismarck that changed that.

No, the census from 1819 lists 9.2 million Germans and 1.9 million Slavs and Balts (1.2 million Poles) in Prussia. Also, the Lutheran Poles (Masurians) leaned towards Prussia regarding their national sentiment.

>>65875789

Forced deportation is ethnic cleansing.

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It looks cool as fuck desu senpai

>>65877131
fuck off Adolf

>>65877131
Source

https://books.google.at/books?id=31DMAJgQV28C&pg=PA34&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=true

page 28

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>>65877180
>german source
oy vey, zast muzt be ze truth

>>65877131
Not him, but you know that census from 1819 tells shit? Do you know that if you'd state "polish" in that census you'd get twice as much shit as if you didn't?

Do you know what persecution is? Beatings? Kidnapping people? Forcing them out of their houses? Murdering them for their ethnic background?
Well the risk of that grew from 0 to much bigger numbers if you stated you're a Pole and a local.

>>65877070
Would you like it if millions of Germans would immigrate to Poland, just because you took German clay?
I think not, since you even deported the German population from that area

>>65877180
gr8 source

if this isn't bait than you're a fucking moron of epic proportions

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>>65877302
Lol, I'm not bitching about Prussians treating Poles like shit,

I simply tried to call out my fellow "polack" on his stupidity and you answered.

No hard feelings.

>>65877379
oh ok sorry, i misunderstood

>>65877477
What I meant is that a Pole sucking Prussian dick is like a Pole feeling nostalgic about Communism and Third Reich.

>>65877282
>Not him, but you know that census from 1819 tells shit? Do you know that if you'd state "polish" in that census you'd get twice as much shit as if you didn't?

Yeah, the sanctions were apparently so hard that the great majority in the province of Posen stated Polish nationality, just as did more than half in the province of West Prussia and Upper Silesia.

>>65877233
>>65877344

It's a primary source but you'd prefer spamming wikipedia, I know

>>65877518
I just see it as a missed opportunity.
Imagine if world wars never happend. Then, today, you would probably be an official minority in Germany and have much higher living standard than you have today in Poland

>>65878040
>if you're a majority you're less scared of repressions
Hmhmhm

>>65878168
And have no dignity nor freedom of speech.

Kys cuck

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>A slave again for the local German lord

Literally why

>>65878249
you would have it nowadays

>>65878250
did the local german lords still exist in 1900?

>>65878503
Up until 1918 when rose up and destroyed both Russian and German army

Die first time I catch a flu.

>>65878622
Bravo Eesti

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>>65878503
>you would have it nowadays
I love how delusional you are.

Remember to NOT offend any "immigrants". I repeat do not "offend" any "immigrants".

>>65878739
so we dont offend polish immigrants
doesnt it make you happy?

>>65878178

you argued that people were afraid to state polish nationality; considering that in some provinces a majority did so makes it doubtful that there were any repressions

>>65878503
Yeah but in a constitutional British style, the estonian is all of shit when he claims tenant farmers are slaves

>>65878664
1918-1920 was a major fuck up for both Russia and Germany. They basically got cucked by an army of school boys and framers. 700 years of hatred released upon agressors is scary business.

Mighty Landeswerh got destroyed in months, we pushed the front way past Riga and Petersburg

>>65878739
The left is the death of civilisation, but west Germans haven't been through what you have so they don't understand as well

>>65878793
well I read a book set in Estonia, and there the peasants were pretty much serfs, but it was set in the 17th or 18th century, I believe, so I am not so sure how the peasants rights were in 20th century

>>65878793
You really know nothing. Our farmers were way worse off than slaves in america

>>65878906
was abolished early 19th century

>poland and baltics dont exist
feels good man
>finland dont exist
feels bad man

still the best time to be alive

>>65878925
Looking back i thought you were referring to Prussia, however you are overstating the position of serfdom- it is far better to be a serf than a slave on a cotton or sugar plantation

>>65878984
Yes but farmers had to "rent" their land. They werent released with land. The rent was done in labor which was even more harsh than before the abolishing. They were even more slaves after they were released

you know nothing please dont speak about such a painful topic

>>65879062
>Implying
Estonians were forced to work at day at the farm of the lord, then after the bone breaking labour they still had to find food for themselves by farming on their own land. Labour was many times harder than that of cotton field workers. Then there were constant wars, lords never protected my ancestors and they were brutally slaughtered every 20-30 years by another conflict. Plague and constant famine also ravaged. 1700s were exeptionally hard. 2/3 of population died of hunger, cannibalism was rampant. And after all this they still had to work for lord and themselves.

Meanwhile cottonfielders slept at night, were fed and sheltered as well as well protected

Please leave ignorant fool

>>65879152
Of course they weren't released with the Lord's land, why would the Lord give all his land to the serfs?
In the west serfs held their own land as well as farming the Lord's land but i don't know if it was the same in Estonia?
Rent by labour is usually used in situations where society is not very well monetised, such as the dark ages and early middle ages- it was still a component of obligations to a lord after-even for non serfs, in place of using money and as a symbolic show of power. It wasn't "harsh" though so I'm not sure what was going on in estonia.

>>65879391
Believe me, it was harsh. Many riots broke after the abolishing because of the even worse situation. Sadly, those who rose up were literally beaten to death

>>65879378
Typically they had to work a few days a week during harvest and planting time on the Lord's fields, they did have days to farm their own land.

I would also like to point out famines often came about as a result of bad harvests and harsh winters, this sort of thing happened throughout all of europe a lot, it was nobody's fault .
The Haber process +other advances + trade with America has stopped this sort of thing from happening.

The lord has incentive to protect your ancestors as that is the feudal deal- labour for protection, plus they are his source of labour and revenue. War is war, it always happens, estonians are in no way particularly prone to having war affect them, just look at the english civil war or the 30 years war in the Holy Roman Empire.

>>65879511
but now you are doing well and you are finally free of foreign opression

>>65879511
Most people's lives in pre 19th century agriculture was bad, especially if you aren't in a good climate with fertile soil.

In the Russian empire there were pretty large payments in return for not being a serf, this was the case in other parts of europe but i think the ones in Russian empire were set too high, but the farmers were not forced to work all day and all night in order to pay it all back in a certain time.
I am no expert in the history of eastern europe so i do not know if there was a reason payments were not reduced.

>>65879756
Not really free of oppression
>>65879743
Feudals never protected their serfs, they just left them to die until they could get reinforcements from Germany. Livonia is Europes most war ridden region relative to its small size. Every second person living in 1300-1800 were killed as a result of war here. After the Northern war, population dropped from 500 000 to 120 000 because of war and famine

Please dont be so ignorant and never tell me again niggers were worse off.

>>65880058
who opresses you now?

>>65879942
The local lords hated Estonians with passion. They saw us as uncultured marauders and didnt give two fucks about our well being. If they had a chance to rip us off even worse they took it. Mahtra Sõda, was a well known uprising after the abolishment of slavery, because as slaves he lord was recuired to give them some land to help them survive, but as free men they had no such obligation as the serfs didnt *have* to work for them anymore so they rose the rent even higher and the serfs had to work even harder than before

>>65880114
the EU

>>65880114
Russia and EU

>>65880058
That makes no sense- why would they not protect the force behind their economic power and riches,land is useless if you can't farm it.

I don't know much about livonia so i do not know if that is the case, but i doubt it, there is nothing of especial value there and it is sparsely populated.


Other places have had worse, wuttenburg lost 3 out of every 4 people in the 30 years war, about 40% of the population of the HRE died.
Ireland has only just reached pre-famine population levels.


American slaves were relatively well off compared to other slaves (see ottomans, Indes etc) , very hard work though-especially for sugar.

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>>65873701
Shouldn't you wank to all that german empire stuff since you are from argentina?

>>65880225
But there is rent because you are farming their land, you are farming their land so you have enough for to survive, the other land you have 9 if you do like many in the west did) is your own and the lord cannot take it away.
This is all very strange.

Everything on it is in estonian so i don't really know the specifics so i cannot comment.

>>65880392
Do you really think local lords cared more about the lives of "savages" than those of their own? During the Livonian and Norther War Estonians had to make their own armies bc the lords just left for Prussia. Needless to say the serfs were slaughtered anyway.

It has had so many wars because its in the crossroads of many great nations: German order, Poland, Denmark, Sweden and Russia. Russia wanted Livonia because it granted them "a window into Europe". Swedes wanted it to protect their trade in Baltic sea. Poland just wanted to expand as did Germans. Danes wanted northern part to secure their hold in trading with sweden.

Please remember that local lords didnt see Estonians as people like other European lords did.

>>65880299
poor poor Eesti
those European development funds are surely opressive

>>65880688
As i said: you built your house and farm on the lords land because you couldnt move. Now you are free but cannot move anywhere because no land is free and lords demand extreme rent for the land YOU HAVE to live on. You had to work and rent the land for the impossible fee bc u had nowhere else to go

>>65880760
That is very strange and nothing like the rest of europe, If they did not offer protection and had no responsibilities or care for their people how did they come to be in charge in the first place?
French lords protected their serfs, administered justice, and actually cared about keeping order and maintaining prosperity (for a source look at Joinville for a start).

>>65880574
Argentina and Germany Best friends 4 ever.

>>65880801
You fucking had to address huge sanctions on Russia that crippled our dairy industry. We were the only nation that fully payed for Greek dept help. Only thing we get from EU is better trade but you keep fucking our chances to trade with Russia which is driving our farmers into bancruptcy

>>65881073
i thought Estonia would support a tougher stancer against Russia?

>>65881012
German lords were in charge because they forced the people to work for them. Swedish or Russian government allowed them to rule the people and abuse them because they feared the collective army of the Feudals. Livonia was nothing like rest of the Europe at that time. Thinking so is extremely ignorant.

German lords only milked us to support their homeland

>>65880921
Makes a little more sense now you explain it like that, but labourers in medieval england moved around and left if their lord was treating them like that as work would be available elsewhere, so was there just a huge supply of labour in estonia?

Also did serfs hold some of their own land there too?

>>65881130
Thats the point im making. EU is making us stand against Russia but in reality the trade with Russia would be extremely valuable and the deminishing eastern market is crippling us

We are your fucking little buffer zone

> no moose limbs

>>65881269
You had to slave away because it was equally bad everywhere and most peoe didnt have the funds to move even if it was better somewhere else. You had absolutely no free land. Only a per centage of serfs could pay for their land in their own lifetime. Most just slaved away to stay alive because there were no other choices

>>65881340
so you support improving relations with russia?

>>65873405
I begin fervently crying of joy, then I cry of anguish when I remember that it won't last long.
I find Adolf and give him a hug and tell him it'll be okay.

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>>65873405

>Wake up in 1900
>British literature is now half of what it used to be
>No decent American literature from pre and post WW2
>Back to the staples of Dickens and Shakespeare
>Satire, sarcasm and wit are generally considered signs of impertinance
>The royal family is still taken seriously for some reason
>No decent scifi, and HP lovecraft is 10 years old
>No planes yet, trains are still shit, and people still use horses in war.
>Engineers are generally looked down on as menial workers
>The food is all terrible, and won't improve for another 70 years
>Medicine is terrible and the NHS doesn't exist
>One of our monarchs literally died from waterborne diseases
>Victoria still isn't dead, along with her shitty social values, and everyone is simultaneously sexually repressed and deviant as shit.
>Dentistry is fucking awful (inb4 it still is, I'm not from the southeast mate)
>Russia still suffering under godawful leadership instead of merely awful leadership
>Racism against the Irish for some reason.
>The most ineptly fought war, other than general custer's battles and the australian emu war is in 14 years, and there'll be 4 years of Generals trying to justify shitty decisions before it ends.

This is barely scratching the surface, why the fuck would anyone want this?

>Hurr durr, I could stop communism, socialism, Hitler, the loomynaughties, Russia, Britain, France, Germany, that asshole Dave from down the road, the BBC, those rascally Belgian racists, Steve Rodgers, Furher Bradley and impeccably trimmed moustache from gaining power

You'd all die, or at least be severly delayed by catching a disease you'd have no immunity to for starters. The only chance you have is by gaining power from knowledge of modern technology, but good luck convincing people the importance of electricity, transistors, transformers, radiation, half decent plumbing, or actually working condoms. Might have some luck with basic antibiotics or the modern combustion engine, but that's it.

>>65873405
i go back to bed, i sleep in on weekends

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>>65877164
A Germanic and West Slav Empire sound like a pretty awesome country with billions of different beers and a strong economy. But I would also include the Oranjes

>>65881555
/lit/ pls go

>>65881235
So you were conquered? And you became the German's Piggy bank?
But the same thing happened to my country with the Normans. In England the Normans had to have william crowned and accepted as rightful king, the norman lords had to marry english heiresses to look legitimate, they had to obey the laws of england, and when taxes got high there were dozens of rebellions and the norman lords were murdered and all the middle classes and english officials( as most people in government were english) and minor-lords raised hell, a conqueror cannot just do whatever. In fact they were eventually assimilated.
Did you not have big towns or a system of government or craftsmen and rich farmers/minor lords?

>>65881546
Yes. If we werent in EU we would be fucked because then we wouldnt even have the western market. We couldnt develop the eastern bc u fucked it up for us.

Thanks alot. You use us a s puppets agains Russia. We would be better off holding good relations woth Russia

>>65881490
Why was your country so shit? Why didn't you have minor landowners like elsewhere and craftsmen in big towns?

>>65881684
All townsmen and rich lords were germans. Estonians were called maarahvas or Country People because they worked and slaved in country side. Such a slavery lasted for 700 years. You can see why this is delicate. It is like saying that Englands history is nothing compared to the suffering of the United States in 1800s

>>65881666

Sorry satan, I don't visit /lit/, the one time I posted there I ended up with an entire thread calling me a twat because I suggested Nietzsche wasn't a Nazi, and that Blade Runner was slightly better than Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?

>>65881829
Because of german opression. They held us under tight slavery so we couldnt start aby shit. All minor land owners and craftsmen were germans. Estonians were slaves and couldnt hope for better because they were constantly strugglying to just stay alive.

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>>65873405
I foment uprising and kill as many g*rms as possible

>>65877164
>>65881618
well we have the EU nowadays, which is all of this + more

>>65881897
>>65881988

How did it get so bad though, the Normans couldn't do that to England, the Turks didn't do that to the Greeks, etc etc

>>65881555
I can tell you watch a lot of Dr. Who and believe that it makes you very intelligent.

>>65882065
but the +more is useless shit

>>65874229
slit yourself

>>65882039
wtf poland

>>65873405
proceed to enjoy the fuck out of it. Fuck Trieste.

>>65881691
not true
we only have bad realations with russia because usa forces us, and because eastern europe is butthurt about russia

>>65882180
they were concentration camp wokers

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stutthof_trials

>>65882116
Germans came in 1208 to "Make us into christians". What followed was 20 years of bloody war, after which Germans slaughtered us and made everyone alive pay high taxes. Slowly in next 50 years the taxing was replaced with slavery. Any uprisings, like those in 1343 were met with strong force and all people in West and North Estonia were killed after Jüriöö uprising to remind us not to try to fight again. The Germans crippled us with slavery so we wouldnt try to be free again as they didnt see us as humans

>>65882039
easy there champ, you wouldnt want to start a world war, would you?

>>65882494
ready up your broomsticks

>>65882291
You keep believing that

>>65882454
why are you always blaming germans?
swedes and russians conquered you aswell

>>65882520
instead, you should go to western germany and integrate like many of your brothers and sisters did in that time period

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruhrpolen

>>65882564
But they agreed to let German lords enslave us and rule the commoners. In exchange the lords had to pay slight tax (which came from slaves) and stay on their side in case of a war. The reason why they allowed he Germans to keep ruling us was because the German knights were a strong force to reckon with and they feared them. Germans were the ones who did us bad, not Russians or Swedes or Poles

>>65882726
Also Germans were the ones who trully ruled us for 700 years

Why does everybody bully Eesti :/

>>65882726
>>65882787
you make it sounds like Germans vs Estonians, while in reality, in medieval period, German peasants were just as much enslaved as Estonian ones

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>>65882655
>Hitler's chauffeur was a Pole

>mfw Manstein and Guderian are a product of German-Polish blanda up too.

Really makes me think.

>>65882878
German ones seem to have had more rights, as well as their own land by the sound of how bad things were

>>65882454
Interesting

>>65873405
>Join 1905 revolution.
>Tell about the mistakes

>>65882878
Read what i just said. You were the devils. Please leave your ignorance behind. Germans are true evil

>>65883081
I think the intial revolution was not a bad thing
The problem was that the radicals won eventually.
And that then Lenin died and Stalin took over

>>65883008
I think it dependet on the German state they lived in

>>65883190
and yet you are now in an union with the devil

>>65883206
You know what im going to sleep im not bothering with proving you wrong. Fact is Estonians were treated much worse.

>>65883206
People were not slaves in much of europe, they worked for the lord but they did have rights, the east was more severe though.

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>>65883206
Go away filthy republican socialist

>>65883441
Tsar was an imbecile
its a shame his family had to go though

>>65883206
I agree with you. Stalin was a big motherfucker.
I'm communist tbqh, and i wish that Stalin never took over.
Stalin with Khrushchev completely discredited the idea of communism, for "respect" and fear of us.

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>>65877131
>>65877180
>9.2 million Germans and 1.9 million Slavs and Balts
Nope, sorry but this is bullshit. I'm not even taking Prussian "sources" under consideration.
Germans constituted merely ~30% of East Prussian population at best. Pic rel is also supported by genetics. But you don't need any of these to see who lived in EP. You just need to visit random church or cemetery in Mazury or Warmia and see what are the surnames there. Majority of them is of course Polish.
So the map he >>65875693 posted is correct.

>>65883495
He was an ok tsar , his mistake was taking direct control of the army because god told him to.

>>65883774
No, there was a lot of mistakes.
Instead of a thousands of words....
>>Leon Trotsky: The History of the Russian Revolution

>>65883892
>without a

>>65883892
There were quite a few minor ones, but i blame his advisors and what happened to the last reforming tsar.
Not like it got any better under communism or now.

>>65873405
fuck Prussia, give back rightful clay

>>65883892
You were better off with him than the USSR disaster

>>65883992
yeah but if moderate socialist would have taken over, it would have been even better

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>>65873405
Time to kill as many Bolsheviks before they ruin the world, as I can find.

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Reclaim homeland

Come get some Ivan :D

>>65883974
to be honest, German treated French people in Elsaß-Lothringen better than French treated the Germans

>>65883992
No we weren't. where that come from?
Do you judge by architecture or smth?

>>65884059
Maybe? I'm not sure who the moderate socialist forces were at the time. They would have to be clear on getting rid of the communists.

>>65884059
Like how Germany is going?

>>65884059
Better if pre-ww1 German/ British style constitutional monarchy/ nobility.
Gives political and social balance+structure and prevents things getting radical/out of hand.

>>65884165
are you implying todays germany is worse than russia under tsar?

Fuck Europe

>>65884313
stop being so rude

fuck off to the US as fast as I can I don't want to stick around when shit hits the fan
I'll use my epic future knowledge skillz when I'm over there

I like the Estonian in this thread

>>65884283
I am explicitly stating that today's Germany is worse than it would be if you retained your pre-WW1 system

I like Estonians in every thread

>>65884666
I dunno about that
the pre WW1 system lead to WW1, so it must have had some flaws

I like estonians in bed

>>65884750
No, a system of alliances and a certain assassination lead to ww1, and the system that replaced it lead to WW2, and what replaced that resulted in the deaths of millions of people and political repressions since 1918, or it has brought in lots of arabic rapists.

I wed Estonians in red

>>65884846
so you think if we had a constitutional monarchy, the refugee crisis wouldnt happen?

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>>65873405
go to pharmacy

buy an ounce of 100% pure cocaine and several vials of heroin and a rubber syringe

im going to do a sherlock homes

>>65884944
I think Merkel wouldn't have been able to do what she does, i also think socialists wouldn't be so deeply entrenched , i also think WW2 wouldn't have happened so Germany would still be nationalistic and proud of their values

>>65885074
beeing "nationalistic and proud of their values" is what led to WW1, and WW2 for that matter
beeing "nationalistic and proud of their values" would have never allowed compromises that were necessary for creation of EU
Europea would stay weak and divided, cought up in petty wars

>>65885074
except germany wasn't really a constitutional monarchy(prussian constitutionalism) with militarist despots like willy desperately looking for a place in the sun. The state was also dominated by the military, and like with Imperial Japan, having your country dominated by the military is bound to plunge your country into fights it cannot win/cannot keep winning.

>>65885222
No, WW1 was caused by an alliance system and an major assassination.
WW2 was a direct result of the terms imposed on Germany after ww1 and political extremism in the wake of the Great Depression+the chaos democracy was causing in Germany.

Not being nationalistic and proud of your values gets you raped and sucked by achmed.

>>65885222
Respecting your nation and ancestors was the norm in Europe until very recently. Now since you lost it Germans are being replaced by Middle Easterners and it is being applauded as a show of tolerance and understanding. This weak display of worshiping your own asshole and hatred for your past will always result in replacement.

>>65885286
Yes it was. Also Germany got its places in the sun, all the other countries were doing so.
Germans still want places in the sun, except they use their towels to assert their domination now.

>>65885396
it was also the jingoistic mentaity of European powers, that deemed it acceptable to go to war with your neighbour over petty desputes
Nowadays, if Merkel was assassinated in Serbia, nobody would go to war

>>65881968
Start with the Greeks

>>65885419
having endless wars in Europe was norm until very recently
Having a few muslims is way better than having millions of Germans dying in pointless wars

>>65885482
No it wasn't, not in what we understand as a constitutional monarchy, if Belgium were to followw its constitution faithfully the king would be an absolute ruler intervening in pretty much every aspect of the government. Instead the king delegaes his power to the government, it's not about taking things literally as they are written, it's about the democratic tradition. You should know because your country doesn't even HAVE a written constitution.
Germany was all about giving the Kaiser what he wanted.

This peninsula is going a little to well for my taste...

>>65885540
Jingoistic? Jesus you really are a leftie.
"petty disputes"= long lasting border conflicts, expansionist desires and the assassination of a major political leader.
Wonder what would happen if Mexico assassinated the American president?
Also you probably would if it was a country you had been having disputes with and were looking to invade and they refused to co-operate. Germany now has the EU empire so its unlikely they would

>>65873496
>Kill Hitler
>tfw your grandmother was forced from europe and met your grandfather because of WW2
>tfw if Hitler was stopped you wouldn't exist

I can't let you do that, friend

>>65885747
because America is a Jingoistic Empire
And we would have been never able to peacefully establish the EU empire if we were a militaristic, chavnistic power that likes to bully its neighbours

>>65885718
It is a constitutional monarchy if the king's powers are defined in a constitution, that the king is beholden to the law too and therefore that people other than the king can make the laws.
Our monarch did used to be directly involved but elizabeth doesn't seem to care enough to be, and our parliament is batshit crazy and illogical
"britain is not ruled by logic it is ruled by parliament"-Benjamin Disraeli (PM)

>>65885708
Wars were normal all around the world, not just in Europe. Also "a few muslims" is a gross underestimation. Germany is taking in millions and millions of young men who have much more children than native Germans. What do you think will happen in a few decades when the older Germans have died and a huge share of the population is Muslim? Like I said, your self hatred and hatred for your ancestors will always result in extinction.

>>65885924
You should know then, that Germany would rather follow the interests of the Kaiser and the Juncker dominated military, who desperately wanted to change the status quo in europe before Russia grew too powerful(it was projected to become the largest economy by 1920-ish before the war)
Prussia was an anachronism, and your patriotism and chauvinism could work without the inane Prussian system

>>65885894
'chauvinistic"- jesus christ are you sure you are on the right website mate?
Yes you would, you would just need to find common ground with france (like you did) over you both being european and similar culturally, it would probably be better as you would look to your own interests rather than paying for greece

>>65886191
>millions and millions
around 1 million, much less than 2 millions

>young men who have much more children than native Germans
I know sex ed is not the best in America, but men need women to make children

>What do you think will happen in a few decades when the older Germans have died and a huge share of the population is Muslim
nothing, cause the refugees will be sent back.
See what happend to balkan refugees, and see this

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/10/eu-deal-clears-deportation-unlimited-afghan-refugees-161004132025865.html

im comparison, Germany lost 7 millions in WW2.

>>65886351
we did because we apologized for our war crimes, to France and to other countries.
If we were "nationalistic and proud of their values" who said "Germany did nothing wrong, give clay back", there would have never been an European Union with Germany. There wouldn't even be a German reunification in the first place. We would be a weak and economically and politically isolated country

>>65886259
Well belgianon .As they should still, Prussia was a model state , it is better to have a strong ruler who has a series of checks and balances but has nothing to gain from dirty dealing than a ruler who got there by false promises and is beholden to what the media say.
You sound like a republican so we won't agree on this, but i sincerely believe it is a stronger system and would like to see its return.

>>65886432
They're going to have your young German women Hans. And good luck sending them back, they want to stay and Merkel wants them there.

>>65886538
Yeah all the war crimes to France, wouldn't have been war crimes if not for democracy.
You did demand clay back up until reunification. Yet you got a union in the 50s.
If you aren't nationalistic and proud of your values then you will fade away, and i will admit, i am sad to see that.

>>65886575
Germany worked best when the Kaiser would sit back and let the government run the country as it chose the path of least resistance(Germany under Bismarck and Wilhelm I), however the system did allow for overambitious despots like Wilhelm II to take control and move the country into the wrong direction. This was the system's fatal flaw.

>>65886651
did you fully ignore my post?
EU has now an agreement with Afghanistan to send back unlimited amount of refugees. Agreements with other countries will follow

>>65886432
Thats still a lot, plus all the Turks you already have.
Wont get sent back after they get citizenship and your government admitted they could not deport most who were there despite deciding to move them.
Its a shitfest hans

>>65886763
Yet Merkel has managed to do the same....
Wilhelm wasnt overambitious, he just supported austria against serbia. The Germans would have done so anyway without him, but he should have stuck with his family and refused to get involved.

>>65886728
many countries were afraid of German unification, they thought we might become nazi again, and only accepted it if Germany would accept Euro.
On the other hand, if we were proud nationalists who demand clay and dont apologize for warcrimes, Britain and France would do everything in their power to prevent our reunification
If we were proud and nationalistc, as you wanted, we wouldn't have become a whole country again in the first place

>>65886827
They will be sent back, see
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/10/eu-deal-clears-deportation-unlimited-afghan-refugees-161004132025865.html

>>65886913
The thing is, Willy was scared of the war but his policies had already gotten the ball rolling and there was no way to stop it anymore, the military had taken over and literally controlled the country by the end of the war. There was just no way this was going to end well.

>>65885747
>assassination of a major political leader

as important as franz ferdinand was, nobody really cared much when he was killed except the government to who it provided a clever excuse to go to war

>>65886918
France was nationalist, Britain was nationalist, they would have accepted German nationalism as long as it was directed eastward , and a nationalist government would have apologised for warcrimes as you couldn't cover them up like everyone else because you lost

>>65887059
WW1 wasn't his fault, despite what we said after the war , though i appreciate you for being on our side.

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>>65887506
hmmmm

>>65887502
I said it was a good excuse but it also provided impetus for a war.
Yeah a border dispute isn't enough reason but then kill a popular political leader and it gets personal, other country refuses to co-operate and you have enough reasons to go to war.

>>65887593
>popular political leader

but he wasn't really popular with the people, when the news of his assassination reached vienna people just continued to drink their coffees like nothing had happened

>>65886918
Your implication is that you live on your knees, or die on your feet? Pathetic.

>>65887536
In the chancellor's defence it was a really old treaty and our foreign minister a few years earlier said the alliance with France wasnt in writing and so didn't matter.
The only reason we honoured it was because we thought Germany would win and get too powerful.


>trusting wikipedia
Russia declared war on austria Hungary, THEN Germany declared war on russia, knowing of France's alliance it declared war on France , which was going to war with Germany anyway. Luxembourg and Belgium were just non-county buffer states who happened to be in the way.

>>65887648
I am pretty sure they would have flocked to the newspaper stands first

>>65887778
honest question, are you like 16?
in real lief, you have to know when you can stand and when you have to kneel

>>65887506
WW1 was the fault of the military, they were preparing for a grand european war to change the status quo, you can see that in their war plan, the half-assed schlieffen plan that everyone thought wouldn't work but the military was jumping for a war asap as they thought such a war wouldn't work if they waited for a few more years and it was the only plan they had thought of(the military was filled with stupid fucks back then), so they caused this >>65887536 by almost directly enabling Austria

Everybody in Germany wanting a war is a meme, the only faction wanting war was the military but they had enough influence to start it so they were all that was neccessary.

>>65873405

>Buy abandoned industrial land in and around London.
>Wait
>Become billionaire

>>65873405
Shoot the arch-duke Ferdinand

>>65887942
The schliffen plan very nearly worked though. Also what status-quo did germany want to change? They had alsace-lorraine, it was france looking for war to change the status quo.

>>65891161
The Franco-Russian Alliance, Germany was politically isolated. They thought that if they did nothing, Russia would bee too much of a threat to handle as they were industrialising and had far more men than them.

>>65891638
russia was a complete backwater in 1914 with no real signs of industrialisation but the germans still considered them stronger than france

>>65893026
Manpower, France alone wouldn't be able to hold the Germans

>>65893026
Only half true, Russia was rapidly industrialising, by 1914 it accounted for 40% of GDP

>>65891638
The alliances changed around a lot, Germany previously had an alliance with Russia but a certain kaiser decided he didn't need it because his cousin was tsar.

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>>65893726
That fucking guy was literally mentally handicapped, it's funny how one person can change the fate of a country, and of the world in this case

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> Open thread expecting Butthurt Pole's

> It's exactly as expected

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>>65894059
>normal discussion
>butthurt

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>there will never be such a cool country as the Austro-Hungarian empire

>>65894245
>be Industry of A-H
>still no "Czechia" in name
cuck

>>65881618
Don't involve Benifux crap there, they're more British spirited shit, also get sw*ss out of there aswell.
Also, if possible, add Croatia.

>>65894245
Sure we got cucked at first , but it was on it's way to get better.

>>65883620
>Pic rel is also supported by genetics.

The Old Prussians were already mixed and assimilated by Germans in the 19th century. Genetically, the Germans in East Prussia would be about half Prussian half German, except for maybe the upper class. The pic shows about 2/3 German/Prussian ancestry, which was circa the amount of people who identified as German at the beginning of the 19th century.

I write Der Prozess, Ficciones, and Ulyses,

>>65894285
If things would got out of the hand then they'd have to rebrand the empire as something more neutral or eloquent like (United States of America, Rech Pospolita)
Comonwealth of Eastern Europe
Austria-Slavia
Dunay Empire (cheeky)
and so on.

(give suggestions)