Was this a mistake?

No, how it evolved was.

>>65746679
Yes.
The base idea is good but it was poorly applied and is corrupt as fuck.

>>65746679
That flag was a mistake

>>65746679
Yes humanity was a mistake we should all die.

Seeing as it's a failure today, yes, it was a mistake.

As an idea, no.

The execution left a lot to be desired though.

>>65746869
This

It's reedemable, but unacceptable

Seeing how the intertwining of economies by This has resulted in no more wars between the major European powers I'd say no, it wasn't a mistake

>>65746679
no, it wasn't
don't listen to those self-hating losers who say otherwise. stronger together

>>65746679
It should be just a trade union.

EU is the greatest human achievement.

>>65747354
stop this meme, UK, France and Russia have nukes, no way a conventional war would happen so Germany will never go full retard again

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>>65746679
The best decision ever
HEIL EUROPEAN EMPIRE

>>65746679
not enough stars to be great

>>65747586
>germany couldn't win with force

>resorts to jew tactics

We taught you well hanz

>>65746869
I have to agree with this. The benelux ideals were good, but it should've stayed there.

>>65746679
yes.
It is like communism. Great in theory, awful in practice.
Bureaucracy is shit when many 'sovereign' countries are involved.
They stop being sovereign.
Come with us France.

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>>65747586
Shit empire.
At it does is destroying itself.

We should have been in charge, if we had a competent leader that is.

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>>65746679
Federalism was a mistake.

>>65747729
if you were competent you wouldn't have lost against us in the first place

Europe as a whole is a mistake

>>65747775
Pretty ironic coming from you Hans.

>>65747729
>if we had a competent leader that is.
Trying to remember our last competent leader.
No, not Thatcher. I'm right leaning but she destroyed our cunt, divided it. Let all the gollywogs in.

>>65747822
elaborate please

>>65747867
Probably the Irish guy. Arthur.
That was a turning point for Europe, for good. Maybe. Maybe not.

>>65746679
One cannot hope to create a strong, centralized, multi-ethnic entity while trying to maintain some semblance of democracy/federalism. There are simply too many competing interests, and a few big ethnic groups will end up dominating the others.

Does anybody care what the Czechs think in the EU parliament? No, not in the grand scheme of things. What does matter is what the French and Germans think, though. But what right do the French in Germans have to dictate laws that will affect the day-to-day lives of the Czech people? Who knows better how to govern the Czechs than the Czechs themselves? This is the problem with the EU: small nations will end up only having a minority opinion in the goings-on of their country.

>>65746679
Yes, a union formed out of sovereign states will not function unless you give up "some" control to the others. And well, corporations and shiet are making it even worse.
>>65747729
>We should have been in charge
It still buffles me how you French somehow lost the power to "the ebil Nazis" in a union which started as a union with the Benelux to more or less keep control over our (and the Italian) economy 2bh.

>>65747995
In the end you lost both conflicts.
Plus we had plenty of wars before that with the very same outcome.
But this thread is for discussion about EU.

>>65747867
I guess it's the same everywhere.
Idiots have their way during peace time and hide when things get rough.

>>65748098
The Union started out of goodwill and fear of the outside powers (USA, USSR)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTVKKHgqXIs

>>65748007
>The few big ethnic groups end up dominating the others
>Not the economy of those countries
Oh please. It could also go the other way around, since the French are "only" represented by the French government and the Germans by the German one. Now if one of those 28 countries goes against the other, then we could also argument that one smaller country alone can block operations of the collectivity, right? Just an example: The romanian veto on a trade-deal between China and the EU back in 2013 or 2014 or so.
Why doesnt it work like that? Because french or german shills will promiss some extra cash or stop the flow of money to their country.
Do you think that the Poles with an population of 60mill have a bigger say in the EU then lets say the Belgians or the Dutch?

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jews dont make mistakes when it comes to really elaborate plans and schemes in attempts to rob ,use and kill the goyim who trust them.

>>65746679
YES, WW3 FUCKING WHEN.

>>65748339
>Idiots have their way during peace time and hide when things get rough.
And turn us against each other.
If there is a new war, I'll have a Frog and a Kraut by my shitty rosbif shoulder. We'll never be at odds again.
We created so much. Our ancestors blood. Lets not just give it away to people who didn't earn it.

>>65746679
Yes.

>>65746679
Nah. I rather like it.

>>65748663
What's the price of a flight to Somalia off season. Off season I mean when we're not shipping aid to you.

>>65748819
Why are you asking me? Why would I know? I've never visited any African country.

>>65748819
Tepid banter, I know you can do better. Apply yourself.

Not a mistake, pushed scheme do destroy diversity.

>>65748862
It's tepid because it's horribly true.

>>65748339
>The Union started out of goodwill and fear of the outside powers (USA, USSR)
Yeah, sure. Still dont understand why you lost it tho.

>>65748848
Sure thing, Abu Al-Shabaab

>>65748862
You're a Chink ratrace btw. I've worked there I know.

(((They))) make no mistake

>>65748953
When will you re-join the Swedish Kingdom, East Sweden? We miss you.

>>65746679
Too many disparate economies.

If it was just Western/Central cunts it would have been God tier.

Such a shame that Germany had to exist and hadn't been wiped out. That was the real mistake.

>>65749038
We could have been German Industry. We're not. They thrived because of the EU, and why not? We'd do the same. The Euro currency worked out well for them.

>>65748949
their economy is worse than ours

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>>65749001
>East Sweden
You mean the Grand Duchy of Finland - part of the Russian Empire?

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>>65749001
Rather become part of Russia again, Kill muslims and you may suck my cock

>>65747354
There were no European major wars before it for 50 years you dumbfuck

>>65749231
We will never forgive you for breaking our country in half!

>>65749242
Traitorous scum! Friendly reminder that your anthem was originally written in Swedish! The official language of "Finland"!

>>65749205
Ik. I mean why couldnt they have prevented it somehow to at least keep their highest vote on that matter tho? The argument of "giving the control to the former Nazis will be fatal" would have been enough imo 2bh.
Also keep in mind that the French were very supporting of uniting the West and East in 1990, while the Brits, Poles and shiet were rather against. I dont buy the argument that they gave up the power "out of good will" or something like that

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>>65749307
Fuck off, you were never nothing more than 3times bigger conquer with Vaticans help.
Now tables are turned and you can kill yourself piece of failed shit

>>65749254
The beginnings of European Union start just after WWII.

>>65749406
Such foul langauge. May your ancestors turn in their graves over your treachery to the kingdom.

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>>65749462
My Ancestors are smiling at me, swede
Can you say the same?

>>65749578
I sincerely doubt that, Traitor!

>>65749612
Go learn how to use pitch accents! Your swedish has gotten abhorent recently.

>>65746869
it was created to achieve the results reached

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>>65749596
None Finn ever loved being under swedish rule you ignorant cuckold, I really wish you orientate on that history specially when you are nowdays so progressive and antiracist.

Not sure if just being trolled by some fagkid

>>65749795
Nice revisionism. I assume that's why you copied our flag and enforced learning our language in school, 200 years after our rule?

>>65746679
Yes, Shut it down.

>>65748339
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTVKKHgqXIs [Embed]
kek, CdG was as POW in my town, it sounds like that time permanantly damaged his brain. But honestly, this speach is based.
The union may have been a mistake, but the Elysee traity surely not.

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>>65749895
So you actually know a shit about our history, why im not suprised.

At that time flag, following Nordic scheme and making difference from Russia just feeled best option. And what comes to obligatory swedish which camed late as 1964 was part of fennoswedes long time crying which somehow without a vote came offical, Im glad they are removing it now.

>>65749154
>It worked for X so it should work for Y
No. Our economy is completely different than Germany's -
their high levels of industry and production allowed them to take advantage of the EU much better than us.

Joining the Euro probably would have helped our exports compete though, I agree.

>>65750262
Swedish as an official language is a part of your constitution. Removing it from schools would be dumb as hell. You won't do it.

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>>65750367
Watch it burning and fading just like your nation

>>65750513
>In 2015 the MPs voted, 134 to 48, to keep mandatory Swedish.
Uh-huh. Good luck with that, Pekka. You're our bitches until the end of time; and don't you forget it.

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>>65747703
>Come with us
I wish, we accomplished much more together than under this Union.

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>>65746679
No.
Without it we'd be even more irrelevant.
And so would the rest of Europe.

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>>65750556
Currently by our peoples its more like 85 - 15
That tells something, soon there will be no marks about Sweden and that makes my dick diamonds

>>65751996
How much do they pay?

>>65752105
Keep dreaming, Pekka. It's not happening.

>>65752153
Millions of shekels.
How does it feel to be deranged?

As a former slav, now freshly having moved to a civilised world I say hail the eu and freedom of movement.

>>65754833
>freedom of movement
lmao


>be engineer wanting to work abroad
>loads of paperwork and delay

Meanwhile inbred Mohamed get a free rape EU visa in no time.

>>65754970
That's cause you're switching social security systems and shit. More integration = less paperwork = more coordinated approach to the mohammed problem.

EU army invading Syria when?

>>65746679
other european examples of nations ceding sovereignty to a large mult-national entity include the Austro-Hungarian empire and Yugoslavia. Both of those only lasted as long as they did due to extremely strong centralised power (i.e. a dictatorship to some degree or another).

I'm frankly amazed it's lasted as long as it has.

It was good when helping the trade of steel and coal and other prime necessities, not when trying to push shit

Alex Jones told me it was a bad idea so I'm gonna go with that

>>65750332
By the time of the Euro introduction our economy had already been transformed from manufacturing to service, while it would have made our current account deficit less severe, we would not have been able to take advantage like Germany had been able to.

Can anyone explain why our manufacturing costs were so expensive compared to, say, Germany, in the 80s that our manufacturing industry was doomed to fail?

I know Thatcher and the Union battles were what eventually killed it, but why did it become so acrimonious in the first place?

>>65746679
No

>>65755071
Next week, didnt you get the memo ?

>>65746679
>EC
No
>European Alliance
No
>"European Union"
No
>Federated EU
Yes

>>65746679
Yes and we didn't expect it to turn in USSR 2.0

>>65748007
>But what right do the French in Germans have to dictate laws that will affect the day-to-day lives of the Czech people?
What right do Californians have to dictate laws that will affect the day-to-day lives of the Wyoming people? Free Wyoming NAO!

>>65746679
No, they got cocky and after laying good foundations in the 20th century they badly executed in this one, it could in theory still be fixed.

germany aka germs aka barbarians

>>65746679
No. But it could be better, sure. I'm pretty hopeful for the future actually

>>65749392
>Also keep in mind that the French were very supporting of uniting the West and East in 1990, while the Brits, Poles and shiet were rather against.
lol French were against it. Brits were against it. Soviets just needed German money. Literally the only country supportive of reunification was the US.

the EU was created to stop large European powers warring

thus it is a success

>>65746679
yes they shouldnt have annexed the southern shitholes

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funny isn't it!!!

The EU was a great idea, poorly executed. You gave Europeans a united Europe, the wet dream of every dictator on the continent for years.
Worse we let the Germans run it, it is in their nature to seize power and fuck things up.

A peaceful economic union with free travel for Europeans only would have been great, fucking fourth reich the road to globalism was a mistake.

>>65764818
Actually it's a bunch of Belgian jews who run it.
They weren't born in a real country yet they try to rule many.

>>65765596
Those faggots too, forgot about them. Belgium is not a real country so they are trying to turn every other european country into non countries too.
Nigel farage is a bit crazy but he is fucking spot on about the EU.

>>65746679
Yes.

It was a mistake to start it. It was an even bigger mistake to let it evolve.

The Britbongs have so far been the only sane players, and left this piece of shit.

>>65747127
rude