Is the average citizen of your country aware of the Holy Roman Empire?

i don't know let me go ask them

>>53672733
>Holy
>Roman
>Empire

i don't know let me go ask them

No. I wasn't aware of it until I got into history a couple of years ago. It gets mentioned in history classes, but we don't learn anything about it.
Always when I talk about medieval to early modern history With normies, I have to give a brief explanation of the HRE.

i don't know let me go gas them

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>>53672733
>Holy
>Roman
>Empire

you mean the """""""""""""""holy""""""""""""""" """""""""""""""roman""""""""""""""" """""""""""""""empire"""""""""""""""

>>53672733
t. Frederick Barbarosa

>>53672733

DER ERSTEN REICH

>>53672733

We're taught about it in 7th grade, but I doubt most people retain it.

i don't know let me go gas them

>>53672733
you mean Byzantium?

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We only learn about it at college history course, and since Brazilian professors are bootlickers who love centralized states, they teach their students that it was bad.

>>53673305
But it was pretty bad though. Everyone hated eachother and got frequently into wars with eachother and it's neighbours. If it was centralized, it probably hadn't been broken up until the late 19th century or something when nationalism blew up.

none of them have
stop asking

>''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''Holy Roman Empire''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''
>Not Fractured states of pre-Germany

>>53673514
With the exception of the thirty years war period, when foreigners made it their battleground, the Holy Roman Empire was always the richest, most prosperous and most cultured part of Europe.

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>>53672733
we're living in it family

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>>53672733
No one cares who your god is as long as he tells you to be good in the way you'd want to be in a society even if there was no god to tell you right from wrong.

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>>53673765
MAKE IT STOP

>>53673619
What >>>/his/561415 said
The HRE states was some of the most prosperous ones, but to say that they didn't experience war and infighting on a Whole other Level than other European countries would be wrong.

>>53673079
Holy
Roman Christian
Empire

>>53673951
It's your country's fault really.
Taking loans that you can't repay isn't very smart tbqh

>>53672733
ww2 and evil nazis aside no one knows shit m9

Yes, we actually learn that us Austrians wuz Habsburgers n sheeeiiit and controlled the whole empire by ourself.

>>53674132
We need another crazy Austrian to rule us, please annex.

>>53674132
it was controlled by Poland desu

>>53672733
>""""Holy"
>""""""""""""""""""""Roman""""""""""""""""""
>"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""Empire"""""""""""""""""""""

>>53674077
yeah senpai i got it desu.
But atm the refuges are killing Eu not my shitty economical management

>>53672733
Germany
No

>>53673305
>german """"""""""ordnung""""""""""

>>53674183
Unlike the mighty greek empire of....errr...

>holy
>roman
>empire

>>53674679
cmon mehmet why you hate us ?

>>53674679
Μacedon, East Roman Empire, Athenian Empire, Alexander's successor states.

>Arabian education

>>53674804
>Μacedon

>>53673079
>Holy

Blessed by the pope, from catholics point of view it's holy

>Roman

Spiritual successor to Charlemagne's empire which was in turn spiritual successor to the WRE.

>Empire

This as a mistranslation. Reich's closest equivalent in English is "Realm".

>>53674804
>Μacedon
>greek

>East ROMAN empire wreek

>Remains of a macedonian empire were greek

>Athenian empire
It didn't even extend outside of greece's borders, how are you gonna shit on the holy roman empire and then try to pass of the athenians as an empire

Holy shit what the fuck is wrong with you

>>53673619
This.

And it didn't really always look like that. But feudalism was so strong in the HRE(and the clusterfuck of the Thirty Years War didn't exactly improve things) so eventually it fell apart into smaller and smaller pieces. Originally it was 5(I think) large duchies forged together by based Otto the Great. And then for a couple of centuries they were the most powerful in all of Europe.

>>53674132
It was when the Habsburgs got into power when shit started to go downhill.

HRE was best in the early centuries when it was north Germans ruling.

>>53675044
Yes, Macedon was greek. Are you that autistic?

I mean, you are probably a fat morrocan living off welfare and shitposting online

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>>53675245
>Greek turk calling others mudslimes

Toppest of kek, keep trying buddy

>>53674020
wait, since when do we have a /his/ board?

i am not

>>53675492
He is technically right tbqh
Even Byzantium was hugely influenced by Greek culture since the 7th cetury
Also, Alexander hellenzied Asia, this word is even in all history books

>>53676330
>Even Byzantium was hugely influenced by Greek culture
So that makes it a greek empire?

>>53672733
no

>>53676441
Well, it is quite debatable desu
I mean, they spoke Greek, wrote in Greek, had orthodoxy as religion and mostley adapted Hellenic values and principes later on

>>53676743
*principle

You are forced to know about Charlemagne so evidently people will have heard of it

>>53677461
How do French view Charlemagne?
Do they accept that he was German?

>>53677739
Not really. Most people only know that he was an Emperor and that he invented school (not literally)

>holy
as defender of western european christianity, the HRE earned the prefix holy.

>roman
the empire was roman, not the north-alpine people living in it. quite a difference.

>empire
multi-national dominion, rule over a big chunck of the known world, accepted even by the byzantines as coequal... so whats not imperial about it?

>>53678881
>holy
The emperor had his Power granted by the Pope. So it is "holy" in that regard, but after the reformation, it is hard to claim it was the "defender of western catholicism".

>roman
It was a nominal continuation of the Roman empire, like Charlemagne claimed his Kingdom was. It had nothing to do with being roman than claiming to be a continuation of the Roman empire and having it's Power granted by the Pope in Rome.

>Empire
The emperor had virtually no Control over his subjects when Voltaire lived. It was an empire only in name.

The >H>R>E is a bad meme, but to claim it wasn't a clusterfuck that claimed to be something it wasn't and got cucked multiple times by the French and the Turks would be wrong.

>>53678881
None of that matters because it's just shit.

>>53673211
>>53673195
>>53673079
Voltaire was such a cunt.

>>53673514
>Everyone hated eachother and got frequently into wars with eachother and it's neighbours.
Not really. The only major internal war was the Thirty Years War and that was a religious war fueled by foreign powers.